[WS]HD wrote: So when do we do something about it? I was ready to take up arms a decade ago but i wont be branded a.traitor, terrorist or criminal if i stand alone. Success comes in numbers, and sadly, america is at a crossroads. Either we stand and fight, or we run away. I would prefer to die in battle fighting for what i believe in than have to tell my future children about the once great united states and how they fell because the people refused to fight.

Um....

The great news is that you don't have to die!! See, there's this thing we have called the Constitution,and it gaurantees you have the right to express yourself through the ballot box. See? "regime" change! And we get to do it on a regular basis, every two to four years. Shame on us if we the people keep electing those who fail to represent our interests.

Just think of how you can tell your children how you used your voting power. That's what we do in civilized countries, we let our democracy work for us, rather than force regime change through coups d'etat.

[WS]HD wrote: I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying we have a duty, and right now there's only two ways this country can go. You live in Texas right? You're one of a select few people in this country who can legally leave the union and not be called a traitor for it. Any other state in this country would at the least be called a criminal and at worst a traitor for fighting back. You think that's fair? My family has paid a high price for others freedom, only to watch the freedoms of their homeland get slowly stripped away. The poor are ground under the bootheel of the rich, while our servicemen and women march forth to foreign lands to be the world police only to get killed in places where our presence was never wanted in the first place. The French helped us in our revolution because ben Franklin was a womanizer and because our citizens were already fighting the British, which at the time meant that France and America shared a common foe. Anyway, I'm done. It's time for work. TX i hope we never have to meet on a real battlefield, but if we do and somehow both survive, remember that we're Americans first, and warriors second.

That's a common misconception. Texas can not leave the union, just like any other state. The constitution has provisions for allowing states to enter the union, it has none for leaving it. It's a great myth, but it is just that, a myth.

France helped the US NOT because of Franklin's womanizing, but primarily because they had lost most of their North American territory during the Seven Year's war (ended in 1763), and wanted much of it back. True they hated England, but the French king, Louis XVI, was really not interested in helping a colony seperate from it's Crown, lest the same hapen to him. He ended up not losing colonies, but his head instead, but that's another story.

well...I wasnt going to "chime in" but I thought I would anyway.......what is the biggest misunderstandings about America is the comment that "America is a Democracy".....We are in fact a "Democratic Republic"....We have the "Balance of Powers"....to make sure that democracy doesnt overun the minority in government..

Everyone (at least those in the majority)...bemoans the Republican House of Representatives and the Supreme Court....but in fact ....this is exactly what the Founding Fathers desired.....Some say "Why cant Congress get anything done?"....wellllthe Founding Fathers WANTED it HARD for government to get things done because of the very fact that the Founding Fathers knew "absolute power, absolutely corrupts"....therefore the "checks and balances" were enacted by ingenious, incredibly intelligent, incredibly common sense Fathers came forth this "most perfect form of government"....

What scares me and should scare ALL Americans.....is what the Administration and Democrats in Congress are doing to attempt to diminish this "balance of power".....eliminating the filibuster, ridicule the House of Representatives, ridicule the Supreme Court....etc. etc. The fact remains....if the Democrats want their "full way uninhibited"...then win the House......be President when a Supreme Court needs a nomination.....etc. etc.

Kptn Singh wrote: obama is just giving away wellfare money right n left, thats all he was elected to do.

two generations of kids raised on wellfare insure that the work ethic is done for. the govt/society
isnt responsible for raising n feeding ur family.

FDR gave govt money to needy in the form of jobs which helped construct infrastructure not free handouts

the curtain should be red and made of iron

That's right, I forgot that the Secretary of Welfare is a Cabinet level officer approved by the Senate....thanks for clearing that up.

The truth that in the United States, the amount of money spent on welfare is much less than people imagine. In fact, the US spends LESS on social services than ANY OTHER Western nation, so little that we get criticized for it often internationally. Welfare in the US is paid for by all levels of government, and at the federal level accounts for less than 1% of the federal budget.

...and those other "Western nations"....have WAY worse economic situation than the USA.....The fact remains...that if America follows in the footsteps of Europe then it will be the ultimate American downfall....just look at Greece, France, etc. etc.

When people demand from the Government more than the government can afford then nations go bankrupt


Tex....Singh never mentioned "Secretary of Welfare"....you did....to Singh's credit...MUCH of the welfare laws (passed under the Clinton administration, A Democrat) have been modified by Executive Order by Obama.....sounds like hes formed in his own way and appointed himself policy wise as "Secretary of Welfare".

Tex please reread my post I posted just before Singh's latest post.....we ALL need to know this...

Davy Crockett wrote: It was not BUSH who decided to go into Iraqi as much as it was the entire country including all the democrats of the time based on the intelligence given to them. They all thought SADDAM had the mass destruction weapons. This is all fact.

The fact that they did not find any is history now however it's commonly believed that they had time to move the weapons. They did find trace evidence. Not reported much in the liberal media.

BUSH made mistakes yes, however he always did what he thought WAS RIGHT FOR THE USA. THE CURRANT ADMINISTRATION DECISIONS IS BASED UPON POWER AND CORRUPTION. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Sorry Davy, but the president is the Commander in Chief, and he alone authorizes military action. He alone, regardless of the sentiments of the American people at the time, is responsible for invading Iraq.

I will agree that most were duped into thinking that there were WMDs in Iraq, but someone on his administration, including himself, should have asked "what if we're wrong and they're not there?" BEFORE starting a war. The proof was shady back then.

And mistakes, he's got PLENTY. Weakest economic performance since Herbert Hoover (remember the Great Recession that began on his watch?), the whole Abu Gharaib fisco, Major republican setbacks during his administration, his response to Hurricane Katrina (is Greenie still doing a GREAT JOB?). Dude, they gave Obama a frickin NOBEL PEACE PRIZE within six months of his first term, and he didn't do squat to earn it, other than not being George Bush!

I'm not saying that this administration doesn't have it's faults, which it does aplenty, but it's very easy to throw shots from the cheap seats all day, and point out how the world is falling apart. For those of you who have never served, or have had a shot fired in anger at you, my suggestion is to do just that. Go serve in some part of the world that truly is unlike anything like we have here, and see for yourself how bad you could have had it, but were blessed to be born here instead.

Either that, or run for office yourself, and be the voice of change. Or get involved in a local, county, or state election, and help your candidate win. Pass out flyers. Knock on doors. Man a telephone bank. Do something that says "I care about my political process and am active in having my voice heard". Let your children see that - better yet, bring them along and explain to them why you're participating and not just complaining.

Just referencing the good Kapt's point that Obama was elected to hand out welfare checks. Wholly inaccurate, and adds to the misperception. My opinion is that all misperception does is to help divide rather than unite. Nothing against the good Kapt, who I think is a pretty decent guy. I just like dealing in facts instead.

I've been fortunate to live overseas, both in London and Athens. While there is much to be said about socialist policies that are beneficial for the benefit of all, there are lessons to be learned when they don't quite pan out like originally planned. My opinion is that the models worked when Europe was still coming out of WWII and struggling to re-establish themselves. However the 21st century presents different problems that there were in 1946, 1956, 1966, or 1976. Our solutions to do right by everyone have to evolve as well.

Well lets see the TEA PARTY folks did that and got audited for their actions. With this party you have to be real careful.

Yes the president is the commander in chief but DO NOT FORGET THAT HE HAD THE BLESSINGS, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, BLESSING OF CONGRESS, BOTH PARTIES.

the Katrina fiasco was not entirely his fault, he had to follow protocol and allow the state to do their job first, the state screwed up also.

And yes I have served so I'm not talking from cheep seats. I may not have been shot at per say, but I was hit by a A6 which knocked me off the flight deck of a carrier, i receive 20% disability for that.

And yes I've been all around the 3rd world country's so i know how lucky we are, that's why we are all so sad and upset, BECAUSE WE ARE BECOMING A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. THAT IS WHAT OBAMA WHATS.

"We the peple.... promote the general welfare. .."

The concept is tough to define. I'd say that having medical care for everyone is a promotion of the general welfare.
call it what you want but don't call it unconstitutional.

There is nothing in the constitution that says you get free healthcare. Of course you know that a emergency room cannot turn you down.
I'm not against healthcare for all. A noble concept but do u bankrupt a country and destroy the medical profession to accomplish that.

Obama care was not an HONEST ATTEMPT AT HEALTHCARE FOR ALL. IT WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A TAKEOVER OF A LARGE PORTION OF THE US ECONOMY.

I would love to see an honest well thought out attempt but has you ever seen one government program that was a success. The answer is nooooooooooooooooo.

GOOD DISCUSSION GUYS. I NEEDED TO VENT.

Davy Crockett wrote: Well lets see the TEA PARTY folks did that and got audited for their actions. With this party you have to be real careful.

Yes the president is the commander in chief but DO NOT FORGET THAT HE HAD THE BLESSINGS, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, BLESSING OF CONGRESS, BOTH PARTIES.

the Katrina fiasco was not entirely his fault, he had to follow protocol and allow the state to do their job first, the state screwed up also.

And yes I have served so I'm not talking from cheep seats. I may not have been shot at per say, but I was hit by a A6 which knocked me off the flight deck of a carrier, i receive 20% disability for that.

And yes I've been all around the 3rd world country's so i know how lucky we are, that's why we are all so sad and upset, BECAUSE WE ARE BECOMING A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. THAT IS WHAT OBAMA WHATS.

Not you specifically Davy, just anyone who wishes to complain and hasn't done anything about it.

Sorry but I will still respectfully disagree about Dubya. Truman had a sign on his desk which read "The buck stops here".

Big Tex wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: Well lets see the TEA PARTY folks did that and got audited for their actions. With this party you have to be real careful.

Yes the president is the commander in chief but DO NOT FORGET THAT HE HAD THE BLESSINGS, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, BLESSING OF CONGRESS, BOTH PARTIES.

the Katrina fiasco was not entirely his fault, he had to follow protocol and allow the state to do their job first, the state screwed up also.

And yes I have served so I'm not talking from cheep seats. I may not have been shot at per say, but I was hit by a A6 which knocked me off the flight deck of a carrier, i receive 20% disability for that.

And yes I've been all around the 3rd world country's so i know how lucky we are, that's why we are all so sad and upset, BECAUSE WE ARE BECOMING A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. THAT IS WHAT OBAMA WHATS.

Not you specifically Davy, just anyone who wishes to complain and hasn't done anything about it.

Sorry but I will still respectfully disagree about Dubya. Truman had a sign on his desk which read "The buck stops here".

DAVY SAYS, THEN YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE DISAPPOINTED AT OBAMA WITH ALL THE SCANDALS. CAN WE ALL NAME THEM

1 Obama care is a disaster
2 the web that we paid a billion dollars for is a disaster
3 the fast and furious gun fiasco
4 Benghazi coverup and total failure.
5 IRS investigating tea party
6 the known lies of everything

OH WAIT, OBAMA SAYS HE DIDNT KNOW ANY OF THIS UNTIL THE MEDIA CAME OUT WITH THE STORIES.

THE BUCK STOPS THERE, HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU DEFEND ANY OF THIS.

Just had a tip off from a contact in the NSA. They're onto this thread. Better shut it down before they come knocking...

RONNIE, VERY TRUE WHAT YOU JUST SAID. SAD BUT TRUE. IM DONE. THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION GUYS. YOU ALL DID GOOD. THANK YOU DR. DAVE.

Dr Dave wrote: I came across this on F/B I do find it interesting and b4 yall get your panties in a bunch please dont get started bashing whats his name. this photo is only here for food for thought. thats it.

We will see how long the MODS let it stay and if they will have the balls to tell us, me who takes it down and why.

great post!!))

"you ever seen one government program that was a success"

the US armed forces?
the NIH?
the CDC?
NASA?

srsly?? you want me to go on... for all the folks who want to eliminate the govt, go live in the third world for a few years and then come back and tell us how that worked out

Let's move to Canada

Man! Can I stir it or what?

Doc, you are the match and we are the fumes.

Drinks at the Jolly Roger! (Silence)

First round on the house! (Stampede)





_{There I just presented evidence that handouts do get votes!}

If y'all don't like Obama send him up here to Canada - just take that ******* Stevie Harper off our hands and we'll be happy with whatever we get

Davy Crockett wrote:

Big Tex wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: Well lets see the TEA PARTY folks did that and got audited for their actions. With this party you have to be real careful.

Yes the president is the commander in chief but DO NOT FORGET THAT HE HAD THE BLESSINGS, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, BLESSING OF CONGRESS, BOTH PARTIES.

the Katrina fiasco was not entirely his fault, he had to follow protocol and allow the state to do their job first, the state screwed up also.

And yes I have served so I'm not talking from cheep seats. I may not have been shot at per say, but I was hit by a A6 which knocked me off the flight deck of a carrier, i receive 20% disability for that.

And yes I've been all around the 3rd world country's so i know how lucky we are, that's why we are all so sad and upset, BECAUSE WE ARE BECOMING A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. THAT IS WHAT OBAMA WHATS.

Not you specifically Davy, just anyone who wishes to complain and hasn't done anything about it.

Sorry but I will still respectfully disagree about Dubya. Truman had a sign on his desk which read "The buck stops here".

DAVY SAYS, THEN YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE DISAPPOINTED AT OBAMA WITH ALL THE SCANDALS. CAN WE ALL NAME THEM

1 Obama care is a disaster
2 the web that we paid a billion dollars for is a disaster
3 the fast and furious gun fiasco
4 Benghazi coverup and total failure.
5 IRS investigating tea party
6 the known lies of everything

OH WAIT, OBAMA SAYS HE DIDNT KNOW ANY OF THIS UNTIL THE MEDIA CAME OUT WITH THE STORIES.

THE BUCK STOPS THERE, HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU DEFEND ANY OF THIS.

At least the body count from his mistakes can be counted with two hands, unlike Dubya. I am not stating by any means that this administration is flawless. But it is infinitely better than the last. I have very personal reasons why I support this president and will be happy to shre them with you privately Davy.

The modern Democratic Party is run by mildly retarded communists, and the Republican Party is run by greedy old windbag pieces of shit that are too beholden to their financiers to be of any real use. We are pretty much hopelessly screwed at this point. Considering that a godawful amount of high school students can barely read now, and sure as hell have no idea what our constitution is or much less what it says, I'm afraid we are pretty much done. Laziness, apathy, denial, and a complete lack of personal responsibility are now the new norm. But, I believe in learning how to play the hand I'm dealt, so I'll just live with it all and take each day (and tax increase) as it comes until I find a better way.

Davy, give em hell.

This is about all I dare say on this matter. Sorry bout the language and all... I'm gonna go back to my pretend bar and make pretend money selling pretend drinks now. Dave, awesome job of stirring the pot. It made me laugh, then jump in and make an ass of myself too. Good thread.

Tex, I wrote quite a bit about not negating the opinions of those who haven't served in the military. After rereading your post 15 times or so and getting a little sleep I've come to the conclusion that that was not your intention. Unfortunately, I do find a certain amount of people who have that opinion out there, and I really believe they are missing the point. They have protected others freedoms to be a part of all of this, not just earned their own.

Ok. Like Ronnie said... Never go full retard. I gotta stop posting when I'm 3 sheets to the wind tired...

Dixieconfederate wrote: Let's move to Canada

Kptn Singh wrote: it is my belief

that you can hate the government

or

you can ignore the government


I chose to do the latter, and play dogfight yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that is what we did in india kpt.

We ignored corruption for a long time.
AND WE SUFFERED

Cant do that anymore.

I really hope AAP gets elected and they are good at the good things

all americans,
dont do the mistake we did. DONT SUFFER



en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_in_India


ALL THESE THINGS WERE IGNORED !
WE STILL KEPT VOTING THE SAME IDOTS AND THEY KEPT DOING IT !



I STILL TELL U

DONT IGNORE IT


Edit : here is a little small cute trailer of what happens when u ignore it


there was a girl in mumbai.
After the death of a hopeless political leader whose party was in power, whole mumbai was shut down. ( BECAUSE A HOPELESS POLITICAL LEADER WHO HAD DONE NOTHING IN HIS LIFE OTHER THAN ROBBING OTHER PEOPLE ,DIED )

She commented on fb '' there was no need for a huge shutdown for his death.
People die everyday and most of them acomplish their goals.
I cant remember when there was such a shutdown in whole state because of death of a martyr. Or a person of great imortance like a scientist. ''

the people of that party threatened their whole family.
They destroyed her uncle's hospital.
And disgraced their family.
That poor girl had to delete her fb account , leave her collage and the whole state and had to settle in a new state as they threatened to destroy her whole family's properties.

WE IGNORED IT AND STILL THE SAME PEOPLE RULE THE STATE



D O N T I G N O R E I T

Big Tex wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote:

Big Tex wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: Well lets see the TEA PARTY folks did that and got audited for their actions. With this party you have to be real careful.

Yes the president is the commander in chief but DO NOT FORGET THAT HE HAD THE BLESSINGS, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, BLESSING OF CONGRESS, BOTH PARTIES.

the Katrina fiasco was not entirely his fault, he had to follow protocol and allow the state to do their job first, the state screwed up also.

And yes I have served so I'm not talking from cheep seats. I may not have been shot at per say, but I was hit by a A6 which knocked me off the flight deck of a carrier, i receive 20% disability for that.

And yes I've been all around the 3rd world country's so i know how lucky we are, that's why we are all so sad and upset, BECAUSE WE ARE BECOMING A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. THAT IS WHAT OBAMA WHATS.

Not you specifically Davy, just anyone who wishes to complain and hasn't done anything about it.

Sorry but I will still respectfully disagree about Dubya. Truman had a sign on his desk which read "The buck stops here".

DAVY SAYS, THEN YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE DISAPPOINTED AT OBAMA WITH ALL THE SCANDALS. CAN WE ALL NAME THEM

1 Obama care is a disaster
2 the web that we paid a billion dollars for is a disaster
3 the fast and furious gun fiasco
4 Benghazi coverup and total failure.
5 IRS investigating tea party
6 the known lies of everything

OH WAIT, OBAMA SAYS HE DIDNT KNOW ANY OF THIS UNTIL THE MEDIA CAME OUT WITH THE STORIES.

THE BUCK STOPS THERE, HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU DEFEND ANY OF THIS.

At least the body count from his mistakes can be counted with two hands, unlike Dubya. I am not stating by any means that this administration is flawless. But it is infinitely better than the last. I have very personal reasons why I support this president and will be happy to shre them with you privately Davy.

DAVY SAYS, no TEX please do not PM the reasons you support this man as I don't give a rats behind. The man is inherently bad, a great deceiver, a extremely poor leader, a socialist and a HATER OF THE USA.

You will not change my mind and I will not change your mind however HISTORY will tell the truth. This man would be very happy being a dictator. SORRY FOR BEING SO PASSIONATE BUT I HATE SEEING THE DESTRUCTION OF THE USA.


Also let me say that I am not necessarily a party person, I AM FOR THE USA, THE CONSTITUTION AND FREEDOM FOR ALL.

How much better would the European economy be if they DIDNT have the Socialist policies of the past.....How many MORE people would have had jobs and better economic environment in 1950's and later as well....

The problem is....Europe is in an unavoidable economic downturn that will take decades to reverse because they have constituencies (spelling)...that expect and demand it.....when you have people who demand this and demand MORE than the government can give....you will forever have your nations economy in that position until the nation and government of that nation decides they dont want to be bankrupt or at the very least do not want the possibility of bankruptcy in the future.....

The fact remains....if America continuesthe current path of pursuing the messed up economic policies of Europe then America will be in not just this economic downturn but something much worse...



oh...this administration is not infinitely better than the last....Can anyone imagine how much worse if Saddam Hussein would have been in power?...WOW how terrible it would be....WWD?....those went (secretly at the time) to Syria and the Syrian government used those exact same weapons on its people...If Bush would have been able to eliminate Assad from power thousands and thousands of lives would have been saved....(difficult political environment at the time with short sighted American people)...The crash of the economy was NOT solely Bush's fault....it was people who bought homes they couldnt afford and banks who never thought the price of real estate would ever go down that caused that.....If one looked at the track record of real estate from 1929 till 2006 the price ALWAYS went up but also the government gave incentives and made mandates for the bank subsidies that they MUST provide mortgages to people who couldnt afford it....these polices started with FANNIE MAE and Freddie Mac....LONG before Bush.....Its a fact that Clinton brought in bankers to the White House and asked "why arent you doing more to provide mortgages to people?"...he also said "Do whatever it takes to make that happen because we have a major problem here."....Well the bankers did just what Clinton told them to do.....I personally as a banker would keep the loan rules in place but what does a banker do when they are threatened?.....Bush.....all he did was help business from 2000 to 2006...and didnt really address Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac......because the American Public and Democrats LOVED all of the many people getting their mortgages they couldnt afford......He could have pursued in advance to prevent 2006 from happening...but no economist knew that real estate prices would ever go down because it never had.....they didnt factor in a huge amount of people who couldnt afford their mortgages and with all of the forclosures as a result therefore making them go down.....The first 6 years economically in America under Bush were amazing....we did have 9/11 happen and that did cause a downturn....but as a nation we recovered and pretty well.....Has this economy been bad?...absolutely.....but economic downturns happen and much of them cannot be prevented.....The fact remains....the more government tries to prevent them the more damage can result....

What is messed up about the government is not military and NASA...but the unfettered discretionary government spending that causes our nation to have a possibility of bankruptcy in the future that otherwise wouldnt be there....

Wow you dont like Steve Harper?.....the Canadian Economy is amazing....your nation is way more employed on a percentage basis than the US..etc etc....I would GLADLY trade Obama for Harper.....