Guys... Calm down. I recommend yall edit the harshness out of your posts before some mods come here and do it for you. This is why political threads aren't recommended. Both of yall are just as bad as the other.

START USING FACTS, NOT BROAD GENERALIZATIONS. They tick everyone off and they don't do a damn thing!

Big C... As far as Wig goes, I consider him a friend. I think his politics are crap, and I'm sure he thinks the same about mine. I took his "generalizations" only as an example of "generalizations". I've got thick skin, and I wouldn't recommend playing the politics game with me unless you do too. I got Wig's blood boiling, I know, but he'll be ok.

I am serious when I say that I think most liberals in the US are so focused like a laser beam on just a few things that they are missing the fact that the farm is being snatched out from under them. That was the point of my "generalizations".

Ok, lunch is on the table. Time to go put a hurting on some food.

Ookay. Back to the original subject which was, if I can remember, mocking your president.

Wich one of following presidents would you trust in case of zombie apocalypse?

Mr. Hussein

Is that womens bike?

Or Mr. Vladimir

I don't think I've used generalizations, except for maybe the Sheesh the Ignorance comment. However, that was pointed at what I consider a racist epithet, which I HOPED could be declared universally as WRONG. Umm, I stand corrected...?

I had hoped that this thread could continue without generalizations being slogged around, except for maybe the occasional joke (you buncha hooligans) (lol). But maybe I expected too much.

I'm actually a little sad now. This was a nice exchange, and I particularly liked the rest of what Ronnie said. He and I sure could have a nice chat over hot ciders. I suspect we'd wind up learning a bit from each other, broadening our own beliefs, and still disagreeing but probably seeing more clearly why we disagree. Too bad the wind had to blow in.

Manfred

What strikes me here is not wigs remarks (was kinda funny seeing people squirm uncomfotably) but actually jacklp and the remark of guns tasting oily and sticky bibles...so you admit that you have tried it....my god that kinda proves the point wig made now doesnt it? Oops he did it again.....you want a shovel so you can dig deeper? (I personally dont think you are an inbred - I dont physicaly know you so cannot comment) geez this stuff is hilarious...dont you agree - or would you like some hot sauce with that .45?

Ok here is my take. Y'all lost me a long time ago here.

What I hold dear and view as right/wrong no politician will or does. They may put on the "mask of the week" and pretend to but they don't. EVER. They are all lying dogs. I can not argue for one side or the other because they are both the same. While they push so called different agendas in the end they are the same. I can not be passionate and support anything that is not by definition the truth. I can not agree with another mans truths and make them my own. I have to live with myself and the things I do. Most all news/politics/politicians are master manipulators. Misdirection and propaganda is what they deal in. That and a lot of cash money. If you have it you can make the rules. If you don't you have to follow the rules the people with the money make. While I do believe eventually this country will run out of gas. But no one that gets the power will do anything different. They will continue to steer the ship toward the rocks. You can't just keep spending and printing money without consequences. What I don't like is being forced or told by any one, government included, what I must have or what I will do. That is so far from what I consider freedom it isn't even funny. I think every time this happens we lose a bit more of what this place was intended to be. FREE. When we let enough of this happen with small shoves here and there it is over. Our children's children will feel the pain. What the politicians like the most is keeping the public occupied arguing over things so they can move on to the next shady thing without anyone noticing until it is to late.

Neither of them!!! In a zombie apocalypse I would trust only my self, my gut, mt trusty 300 savage and 300 Winchester mag, and my family, considering they were not turned into zombies!! That being said, that bear that Putin is riding could feed a family or survivers for a long time:) my 300 Win mag would take him ohhh soooo easy!!!!

Blue Max Young wrote: Ok here is my take. Y'all lost me a long time ago here.

What I hold dear and view as right/wrong no politician will or does. They may put on the "mask of the week" and pretend to but they don't. EVER. They are all lying dogs. I can not argue for one side or the other because they are both the same. While they push so called different agendas in the end they are the same. I can not be passionate and support anything that is not by definition the truth. I can not agree with another mans truths and make them my own. I have to live with myself and the things I do. Most all news/politics/politicians are master manipulators. Misdirection and propaganda is what they deal in. That and a lot of cash money. If you have it you can make the rules. If you don't you have to follow the rules the people with the money make. While I do believe eventually this country will run out of gas. But no one that gets the power will do anything different. They will continue to steer the ship toward the rocks. You can't just keep spending and printing money without consequences. What I don't like is being forced or told by any one, government included, what I must have or what I will do. That is so far from what I consider freedom it isn't even funny. I think every time this happens we lose a bit more of what this place was intended to be. FREE. When we let enough of this happen with small shoves here and there it is over. Our children's children will feel the pain. What the politicians like the most is keeping the public occupied arguing over things so they can move on to the next shady thing without anyone noticing until it is to late.

Then we agree with each other 100%.

Ronnie Biggs wrote: There was an earlier snipe at Brits and Aussies chipping in to this thread. About... When your nigger president...

That's right Ronnie but not so much a snipe as a Shot at your Head.
We may not like the guy(AND WE DONT!) But watch how he's addressed like it or not we'er stuck with him....For Now.
So less name calling and more Mud slinging please. Oh and WIGs......well your just being wig....

You're buying into Davy's loopy Obama-hate Conspiracy theory? ....... Wigs witch Davy are you referring to? Plez be clear.

It would need to be a good shot. My brain is very small.

Not surprisingly, Dave/Jacklpe fully grasped what I was trying to illustrate with my over-the-top stereotype. His only mistake was in thinking I was the slightest bit hot. I was laughing just ahead of you, D.

Equally as expected, Davy doesn't have a clue. He's still ranting about "facts". If you ever find yourself near one, chief, wheel it out and share it with the group. So far your contribution to this discussion has consisted of unsupportable rubbish. Typing "ITS A KNOWN FACT" in all caps does not make it true, Einstein. If I want your opinion I'll turn on Glenn Beck. Sadly, you're the poster child for the (hopefully) small minority of uninformed, backward extremists that I do not believe are representative of either conservatives, Christians, southerners or banjo enthusiasts. But that's just the opinion of one communist Muslim Amerika hating liberal ignoramus. Go back to sleep.

Big C, sorry you, too, missed what I was driving at. Your posts have been among the most thoughtful, intelligent and impressive in this exchange. Fact based arguments were not the point. Discouraging self-satisfied hypocrisy and easy stereotypes was. I hope you can see that now. Again, sorry I wasn't clearer. You're infinitely brighter than people here five times your age. Keep challenging everything passed off as "truth". There may be hope for the bold experiment yet.

Dr Dave wrote: You're buying into Davy's loopy Obama-hate Conspiracy theory? ....... Wigs witch Davy are you referring to? Plez be clear.

Ah, right... too many Daves.

There's Dr. Dave's "Muslim Prayer Curtain" scam.

There's Dave aka Jacklpe's Stereotype Double Standard.

The one I referred to is Davy Crockett's Crock of Sh...amefully Inaccurate Non-fact "Facts".

"Loopy" was merely an attempt at being kind. When you see it think "Dangerously Ignorant".

McFate wrote: Thanks to all for the cool headed, well thought out answers. It's great to be able to have a real conversion about all of this without having it fall apart into a bunch of finger pointing and useless emotional ranting.

I just have to Ell Oh Ell at this one! McFate, you're another whose posts here have been a genuine pleasure to read. But you must have your Dave-filter on! The very first Dave post is a finger pointed at some meaningless drapes and the second is a useless emotional rant in support of the scam! For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over losing the high minded tone of this thread it's escaped everyone's memory that it started with a couple salvos fired from the intellectual gutter. It was only posts like your own that elevated it.

Really I thought DrDave was doing the internet forum version of farting and then lighting a match. It brings out all the neighborhood kids, and we get to laugh as the bullies and high ego types catch their pants on fire trying to throw the biggest flame.

Like Max said... well, he said it all.

OH WIGGY, your wig is to tight over that little wig brain, choking off your blood supply making you somewhat loopy. WIG, several facts were presented, gee dude dont you listen to the news, read the papers. I guess you are the typical lib who ideology wont let them see the facts and if you saw them you wouldn't understand anyway so it wouldn't do any good.

His approval rating is now i think 37 % and falling quicker than wig on a intellectual crusade. Gee I guess that means 63 % of folks disapprove lol lol. (100 - 37= 63) there's a fact for you. I'm laughing now.

So come back with your witty little jokes and I will do the same since this seems to be the only thing you know. Actually your intellect is making me laugh now. COME ON.

Thanksgiving is upon us. Let's bury the hatchet and be thankful we live in a free society that allows such a free expression. Then let's remember we are all friends.

AMEN BROTHER. Oh and one more thing wig, we came out with facts, where are your facts on the wonderful Obama. LIST THEM LIST THEM lol.

The very first Dave post is a finger pointed at some meaningless drapes. That's it Wigs there was and is no SCAM I only wanted to hear what others had to say. I knew the media hype and I know the photo was prejudiced and biased placing What's his Name in a unfavorable position. But as for a scam I don't see it. I wanted and DID stir the pot a bit yes but also as I pointed out to Ronnie we need not go into name calling. So far I find EVERYTHING posted interesting as should you. These people are entitled to their opinions same as you so don't bash them. And while I'm at it... Yall cut Wigs some slack for his. It's is after all a free forum. Remember the 1st Amendment? So everyone have another cold drink and calm down, just enjoy the read..... DOCTORS ORDERS.......

Or it's a prostate exam for EVERYONE!!!.... Starting with you Wig.....

Davy Crockett wrote: It was not BUSH who decided to go into Iraqi as much as it was the entire country including all the democrats of the time based on the intelligence given to them. They all thought SADDAM had the mass destruction weapons. This is all fact.

The fact that they did not find any is history now however it's commonly believed that they had time to move the weapons. They did find trace evidence. Not reported much in the liberal media.

BUSH made mistakes yes, however he always did what he thought WAS RIGHT FOR THE USA. THE CURRANT ADMINISTRATION DECISIONS IS BASED UPON POWER AND CORRUPTION. BIG DIFFERENCE.

These are just a few of your incontrovertible facts, yes? I was careful not to cherry pick the most glaringly idiotic of them, there are plenty from which to choose. Again, Professor, dumbly chanting "This is all fact" and "it's commonly believed" or yelling it in all caps does not make it so to anyone but you. You do, however, have an impressive grasp of "currant" events.

Dr Dave wrote:
Or it's a prostate exam for EVERYONE!!!.... Starting with you Wig.....

You wanna put your finger where?

TX LAWMAN wrote: Thanksgiving is upon us. Let's bury the hatchet and be thankful we live in a free society that allows such a free expression. Then let's remember we are all friends.

Who are we gonna bury the hatchet in?

Dr Dave wrote: The very first Dave post is a finger pointed at some meaningless drapes. That's it Wigs there was and is no SCAM I only wanted to hear what others had to say. I knew the media hype and I know the photo was prejudiced and biased placing What's his Name in a unfavorable position. But as for a scam I don't see it. I wanted and DID stir the pot a bit yes but also as I pointed out to Ronnie we need not go into name calling. So far I find EVERYTHING posted interesting as should you. These people are entitled to their opinions same as you so don't bash them. And while I'm at it... Yall cut Wigs some slack for his. It's is after all a free forum. Remember the 1st Amendment? So everyone have another cold drink and calm down, just enjoy the read..... DOCTORS ORDERS.......

Or it's a prostate exam for EVERYONE!!!.... Starting with you Wig.....

I dunno, Doc. "Scam" doesn't seem like a stretch when applied to a photo collage created with the expressed purpose of misrepresenting the truth in a volatile debate about the allegiances of the leader of the free world. Certainly smells like a scam to me. I think you're smart enough to know exactly how hard you were stirring which pot. And I suspect that getting the bogus image out there was more of a motivation than you might care to admit. I could be wrong.

As to name calling, I guess I need to say it again;I was placing in high relief what I found to be a fundamental contradiction in what Jacklpe was saying about liberals out one side of his mouth while indulging in the same brand of bashing out the other. I did not intend it to be taken as a generalization or regional/educational/philosophical slur. Except by Davy.

And Davy, I gave you actual information that put the lie to that "Muslim prayer shawl" tripe that you were so quick to embrace. It was the origin point of this thread, you took the hook firmly in your mouth, I (and Bopes) debunked it. Did you have the integrity to admit you'd been gulled? If so I missed that post in your barrage of ridiculous non-facts.

Oh my gosh I'm dying here of laughter, stop it. Lol. Why when someone asks for facts on the Obama or liberal administration they automatically point to BUSH, ITS ALL BUSHES FAULT.

YES DR. DAVE EVERYONE IS ALLOWED TO VOICE YOUR OPINION, BUT ATTACKING PERSONALLY IS NOT GOOD ESPECIALLY WITH THE STEREOTYPING. INEXCUSABLE BEHAVIOR, BUT THATS WHAT EXPECTED FROM THE LIBERALS OF THIS COUNTRY. I DONT REALLY USUALLY FALL FOR THIS TRAP BUT I COULDNT LET THAT CRAP GO UN-NOTICED.

And as for the post that you quoted wig, please tell us all where we are wrong.

After this morning's suggestion, I thought I'd have some "alone time" with a nice lookin big girl. She weighs 454 to be exact. Thought I'd show a picture of our little love in.

Davy Crockett wrote: Oh my gosh I'm dying here of laughter, stop it. Lol. Why when someone asks for facts on the Obama or liberal administration they automatically point to BUSH, ITS ALL BUSHES FAULT.

YES DR. DAVE EVERYONE IS ALLOWED TO VOICE YOUR OPINION, BUT ATTACKING PERSONALLY IS NOT GOOD ESPECIALLY WITH THE STEREOTYPING. INEXCUSABLE BEHAVIOR, BUT THATS WHAT EXPECTED FROM THE LIBERALS OF THIS COUNTRY. I DONT REALLY USUALLY FALL FOR THIS TRAP BUT I COULDNT LET THAT CRAP GO UN-NOTICED.

And as for the post that you quoted wig, please tell us all where we are wrong.

Dude, the stuff about Bush is yours! Oy...

Great pic Jack. I'll raise you

Oh wig, read buddy read, I promise it wont hurt you. Now did I ever say anything about embracing that curtain, did I ever even mention that curtain. NO I DID NOT. You don't even know what you are typing about.

I know all about photoshopping so I would not trust any picture nor would I believe any pictures therefore i never commented on said pictures. So much for that.

However i did say that I thought OBAMA was a muslin, i still do, there is to much evidence to dismiss the possibility, even if it's a remote possibility and it was perfectly within my right to say so.

Would I want a Muslim for a president, maybe not but I do have Muslim friends (coming from Calif. I knew many) and I have Muslim tenants. My neighbor is Muslim. I have absolutely no problem with any of them and some are so patriotic that they would make fine presidents, I think anyway. But because of world events i am Leary of them as a lot of folks are. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACIAL OR TOLERANCE.

PROBLEM IS WHEN WE SAY OUR OPINION WE ARE LABELED BY YOU.

Davy Crockett wrote: ...PROBLEM IS WHEN WE SAY OUR OPINION WE ARE LABELED BY YOU.

True enough, that's a big problem. Another big problem is that you do the same thing Davy. You are both the same, but one in small caps and the other in big caps.

Now that I've insulted both my friends, let the rain come

Wig, yes, I do believe what I believe based on my personal observations of the man's decisons, communications, and actions, the same way I make conclusions for everything around me. I choose not to berate those who disagree with me, while you are free to insult and gasp at the horribly misled opinions of those who disagree with you. The weakest link here is Davy, who, as I said, argues much like you do, with his heart moreso than his submissions of evidence. You choose to call my independently formed opinion a buy-in into Davy's loopy Obama-hate Conspiracy theory. Sure, it lands much in the same place. Nice try to discredit me, however.

Manfred

Ok I am getting a bit annoyed at the stuff everyone is throwing at the UK. First of all, who fixed the engine in the P-51 Mustang?(UK!). I may not live in the UK but my roots are from England and known records of it date back to the 11th century (1000-1099).Will everyone please stop the anger and stop throwing stuff at the U.S,U.K,and Austrailia(sorry if missplelled).To think this whole thread started over some drapes...(facepalm)