bellsaj wrote:

CRAZYWOLF wrote: Oh yes definitely like the Buns and Kasey remind me sometime and I'll tell you why I don't drink apple juice anymore.

When you have said A, you have to say B.
Lets hear it.

I agree. You can't just throw half a story out here.

Shew troll. Outta here of you can't come up with anything better to say. Did you read Parrots link? Not far from the mark I think.

ADrunkLoser wrote: BOOMax i have not against MenOnMen, please forgive me MenOnMen lol

Get. The. Hell. Off. Our. Lawn.

We really shouldn't feed the troll.

Good Game last night wig, not often I get to stick around for a 2hr slugfest.

Always a pleasure flying with MoMs

Hi fellows MOM,
I just wanted to tell you that I invited a player named Richardo Rubioz, to join us.
He is a skilled pilot, fair and .... deadly.

Hey Frank , very sorry I lost connection and couldn't get back .
Hope some help came for you

Frank Baracca wrote: Hi fellows MOM,
I just wanted to tell you that I invited a player named Richardo Rubioz, to join us.
He is a skilled pilot, fair and .... deadly.

Thanks Paolo! I've played with Richardo many times, he's very good. He'll have my vote if he applies!

MOMrades, my apologies for allowing the M.O.M Bannerwerks to slow to a dead halt this month and most of last. Underage brain cells willing to work for 17 cents an hour with no bathroom break are getting harder to find.

I know I still have a few to produce, better some than more none.

And our newest M.O.MORAF "administrative assistant":

The Cpt. Black design is one I'm tinkering with for the squad rotation, whaddya think?

Thanks for being so patient, kids.

--w--

p.s. I may already have posted one or three of these.

Hey jomboslice....great game last night!

[M]COUCHY wrote: Hey Frank , very sorry I lost connection and couldn't get back .
Hope some help came for you

It doesn' t matter my friend.
It was a pleasure to play with you.
Frank.

P.S. Too much red.... to the end we lost ....but we did spit blood at them ...

I am sure in every job, there is that one part... That you find yourself not so good at or a never ending struggle.... For me...?
Going to station #2 and riding the box, has to be done from time and again. Just not a strong point for me....

Ran into our favorite MoM hater in all her big mouthed glory...MsGuided now flying under the name WILD::WEST. I had the pleasure of beating her yet again all the while being accused of spawnkilling, camping, cheating, dropping, and lagging and being typical of the suck that is MoM. Much laughter and merriment ensued on my part.

Oh Hey Jimbo! I was there. forgot I took this. Got two more much the same if you want them........York

suxxor wrote: Ran into our favorite MoM hater in all her big mouthed glory...MsGuided now flying under the name WILD::WEST. I had the pleasure of beating her yet again all the while being accused of spawnkilling, camping, cheating, dropping, and lagging and being typical of the suck that is MoM. Much laughter and merriment ensued on my part.

I don't care what it is Suxx, just keep posting please. She's one of my very favorite M.O.Mdels.

I ran into MsG... Uh how bout that MSG isn't good for you... today on lunch break. Same kind of stuff. We're all just frustrated old men getting our jollies in a video game because we can't get it up. That kinda stuff. Really venomous. All because we taught here about the other side of spawnkilling was all about. Oh well, we better keep an eye out... She's going to "take us down". Lol. Better have tried!!!

She was MsG tho. Not Wild West. Never know I guess.

Hiya Buddies!!

YEMX wrote: I am sure in every job, there is that one part... That you find yourself not so good at or a never ending struggle.... For me...?
Going to station #2 and riding the box, has to be done from time and again. Just not a strong point for me....

Riding the box was my favorite...such a trauma junky.

ParrotHead wrote:

suxxor wrote: Ran into our favorite MoM hater in all her big mouthed glory...MsGuided now flying under the name WILD::WEST. I had the pleasure of beating her yet again all the while being accused of spawnkilling, camping, cheating, dropping, and lagging and being typical of the suck that is MoM. Much laughter and merriment ensued on my part.

I don't care what it is Suxx, just keep posting please. She's one of my very favorite M.O.Mdels.

I ran into MsG... Uh how bout that MSG isn't good for you... today on lunch break. Same kind of stuff. We're all just frustrated old men getting our jollies in a video game because we can't get it up. That kinda stuff. Really venomous. All because we taught here about the other side of spawnkilling was all about. Oh well, we better keep an eye out... She's going to "take us down". Lol. Better have tried!!!

She was MsG tho. Not Wild West. Never know I guess.

Man that hits too close to home for me. Am I that obvious?

It's art time.....get a drink and relax....momers!

[*M]ONSTER CANNON wrote: Hey jomboslice....great game last night!

Thank you sir, but I don't remember it....been so busy at work that I haven't had much time lately but I always enjoy a game more with fine outstanding pilots like yourself, be you red or blue


And no, I'm not being sarcastic...

there she is again now if you would be so kind as to repeat what you said Jimbo....

Evening M.O.Mrads.
Last night I refrained to respond to several threads, simply because what I had to add to them wasn't nice and probably wouldn't have brought any good to the forum. Even though I know I'm not alone in thinking like I did about what was written in those threads. I left the threads as they were insted of posting an angry and maybe mean but honest reply.

I'll give you something to think about.

bellsaj wrote:

Strong persons don't put others down.
They lift them up!

And then tombstone pile drive them off the top rope. And after that if they don't move drop an elbow or to to the ribs and go in for the kill.

" ONE TWO THREE". And the crowd goes wild!!!




Sorry couldn't resist...

Hey guys. I've been looking at forum posts and in-game behavior from a player named "DISRUPT."

I've found him to be fair, optimistic, level-headed, a fine pilot, and a loyal teammate.

Can I get a second opinion on the idea that an invitation is in order?

As a relatively new M.O.M, I never feel comfortable giving invitations. I guess I'm reluctant to make people go through the initiation ceremony with Bopes shy.

Hey M.O.Ms, this was just brought to my attention by KA5EY. It's copied from a thread called "THE GREATEST TRICK" created by a user called "TRIXSTER":

THE GREATEST TRICK THE DEVIL EVER PULLED WAS MAKING THE WORLD BELIEVE HE DIDNT EXIST,HE LEARNED IT FROM ME. I HAVE BEEN OB HERE FOR OVER 2 YEARS NOW,SOME GOOD TIMES,SOME NOT AND THE GAME HAS STEADIED GONE DOWNHILL,I DONT MEAN JUST THE DESIGN BUT OF ALL YOU IDIOTS,ESPECIALLY THE OLD BASTARDS LIKE MUZICK,DEBATING OVER RULES AND MODS AND CONDUCT...1,ITS A FCKING GAME, 2, PEOPLE WILLS ALWAYS PLAY HOW THEY WANNA ESPECIALLY SINCE I DONT SEE A GENEVA CONVENTION MENTIONED OR ENFORCED AND 3,THERE ARE WAY BETTER GAMES OUT THERE LIKE THE ONE I BEEN ON FOR MONTHS..EPIC SEA BATTLE. A GAME FOR WORLD PLAYERS,DETAILED BEYOND BELIEF AND NOT SO MUCH DRAMA!!!!...I WANTED TO BE A GLOBAL MOD ....AGAIN...,TO KICK PEOPLE OUT THAT GOT IN OUR WAY OF WINNING,OR THE ONES WE DIDNT LIKE,HELL I STILL HAVE THE EMAILS FROM THE MOD SQUAD FROM GOOGLEMOD WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND LAUGHED OUR ASSES OFF AT YOU PEOPLE!!!!. SAD TOO AS ZUPE LAYS BACK AND MAKES MONEY OFF NEWBIES AS YOU DEBATE SEMANTICS,SO NOW YOU ARE WONDERING WHO I AM,RICHY TRIED FOR A LITTLE WHILE BUT GOT BUSTED,RUSSI,WELL THATS ANOTHER STORY,NO,AS MUCH AS THEY TRY AND TRIED THEY FAILED,YOU GOT TO HAVE THE MINDSET TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOALS,AND WITH THIS DEBATING OVER RULES AND INGAME POLICE,I DONT, AND NEVER WILL SEE IT HERE. BUT FIRST I WANNA THANK NOUSHBAG,WHIP,AND GREYGHOST FOR KEEPING MY SECRET,I KNOW IT WAS HARD ON YOU GUYS BUT I KEPT MY PROMISE AND PLAYED STRAIGHT..
Hello, my name is Michael, Kevins brother, he left me instructions on how to find this site and said since hes always logged in,he said it shouldnt be any trouble to post here. I am on his laptop now and this is an intresting game, but now to why Im here, Kevin told me that he told you of his illness and he put off going to the doctor for a long time which i think would have helped him,hates hospitals.He said all of you let him join you despite him being "green" and i thank you for that, he loves family,especially wig(?) on here, he never knew his real dad since he was adopted. It is therefore with deep regret that i should inform you that Kevin died Wednsday afternoon on the table,during his operation Kevin went into cardiac arrest and with his body already unstable and undergoing partial tumor removal, the doctors tried but was unable to save him,I believe he did not suffer nor was in pain..He LEFT THIS LETTER FOR ALL OF YOU IN MoM....."DEAR GUYS, i go into surgery in about two hours and im bored so im writing this, if you're seeing this letter then all didnt go as planned and i have no fears,if you dont see it, then i will be on in a few days(why am i writin this part if no one will see it?),we start to die the minute we are born.I thank WIG for for helpin me join and ALL OF MOM that let me in as well, and to the members i fought and played with.and to those that i didnt,Thank You, you were my new family.You knew how to play,viciously,graciously,and light-heartedly,i think this squadron will grow more and more as others will see how you are,not about just winning,but caring,and teamwork..and killin each other in dogfights, gotta tell ya, it was always a scary sight to see a red MoM badge come over that horizon, i was always hesitant about firing on them.Whenever you're playing the game,look to those generated clouds and you might see me, not as the terror for which i was feared (HAH!),but as a brother- in- arms. So dont be sad at this,thats life,so open up a brew,pour a 40 on the curb,and go kill some red badges,and yes,even if its another MoM,..oh by the way,if you're tired of fightin do like i did (if not already), take your plane straight up to the max and touch the screen to look down,sorta peaceful seein all that land below,quiet, i died enuf in the clouds, i wanna check em out for a while.

It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to, than I have ever known.
kevin aka legendofkane signing out"
...A FAMOUS POST ON MOMS THREAD PAGE 42 FOR I AM THE ORIGINAL LEGENDOFKANE, KEVIN STANLEY..IM 20 NOW,MY ROUTER FRIED AND DIDNT THINK I WOULD BE ON FOR A WHILE,THEN AS MICHAEL(NAME OF A FRIEND I GRADUATED WITH},I CONTINUED ON THE LEGACY OF KANE,AND AS LIS,GIRL I DATED FROM GUATEMALA, A SHORT WHILE AGAIN. BUT NOW I WILL BE TRADING IN MY NOTE 3 FOR NOTE 4 AND AT THIS POSTING HAS BEEN DELETED. EMAILS TOO,ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS GAME,EXCEPT GOOGLEMOD EMAILS,THOSE ARE TOO FUNNY. SO ALL YOU OLD PEOPLE LIKE MUZICK AND OTHERS..WELL..SCREW YA,,AND BY THE WAY DUCKWING1 IS STILL AROUND,BELIEVE IT OR NOT SUCKERS...POST WHAT YOU WANT,TALK AMONG YOURSELVES,I WILL NEVER BE BACK TO SEE IT,LOSERS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

_________________________________________

A number of things come immediately to mind:

This person is a sick f*ck.

Whether Kevin and Michael were real or fabricated is immaterial. The trust we placed in them was real, the sadness we felt at the news that they were ill and then that they'd died was genuine.

Hiding behind an alias and duping trusting people does not make the trusting people fools, it makes the liar an emotionally stunted cheap thrill seeker with no moral fiber.

If this is true I'd have to credit the perpetrator with incredible patience as well as an incredible lack of character, it was a long way to go for virtually no payoff.

If this isn't true, and if TRIXSTER is someone else hiding behind a sock puppet account...I'm still not seeing the payoff.

Duckwing is still around? Not the first time we've heard the theory, and far from the most respectable source. Tell it to Brian Strachan who knew him by phone.

If Noushbag, Whiplash and GreyGhost were complicit in a twisted deception of this sort it requires a reevaluation of Noushbag and GreyGhost, they'd be no less sinister than the person claiming to be the author of the lies. I'll be curious to see their responses.

Whomever this "TRIXSTER is he's clearly not too bright. Suggesting that we Mods schemed and planned ways to crook the game in our favor...in an email group created by, monitored by and participated in 24/7 by the game developer himself...is about as inept a bit of slander as I've seen since the last time someone made similar accusations exactly as easily disproved by eyewitness Joaquin/zuperman. Do these wizards not realize that Joaquin (and every Mod) has complete, dated, easily corroborated records of every word ever exchanged in that group?

No one anywhere in Dogfight who was around at the time, who played with alleged Michael or his alleged brother before him, who maintained email and/or Private Message correspondence with him/them, who sought to comfort, condole, support, who treated him/them as online friends, should feel in any way diminished by this. Kind people behave with kindness and we saw a lot of it from all corners of the Dogfight community. Meanwhile, sick f*cks are just sick and stand little chance of ever being cured.

Even if it was a gag, what was gained? Some authentic closeness and camaraderie for us, not a thing for him/them. The Star Chamber and I have been skeptical about the entire Michael/Kevin thing, and particularly the "Lis" bit, right along. Were we mistaken in erring on the side of being too trusting? We were not. We only lose to the liars and manipulators of the world when we let them damage our willingness to think the best of people despite their having shown us the worst.

I don't know whether the Kevin and Michael we thought we knew were real or this TRIXSTER Kevin is real, and I don't care. He's of zero importance or consequence to us. The friendship freely offered by you all and the sentiments expressed were real, no amount of retroactive deceit could change that.

--w--

Wigbomb wrote: Hey M.O.Ms, this was just brought to my attention by KA5EY. It's copied from a thread called "THE GREATEST TRICK" created by a user called "TRIXSTER":

THE GREATEST TRICK THE DEVIL EVER PULLED WAS MAKING THE WORLD BELIEVE HE DIDNT EXIST,HE LEARNED IT FROM ME. I HAVE BEEN OB HERE FOR OVER 2 YEARS NOW,SOME GOOD TIMES,SOME NOT AND THE GAME HAS STEADIED GONE DOWNHILL,I DONT MEAN JUST THE DESIGN BUT OF ALL YOU IDIOTS,ESPECIALLY THE OLD BASTARDS LIKE MUZICK,DEBATING OVER RULES AND MODS AND CONDUCT...1,ITS A FCKING GAME, 2, PEOPLE WILLS ALWAYS PLAY HOW THEY WANNA ESPECIALLY SINCE I DONT SEE A GENEVA CONVENTION MENTIONED OR ENFORCED AND 3,THERE ARE WAY BETTER GAMES OUT THERE LIKE THE ONE I BEEN ON FOR MONTHS..EPIC SEA BATTLE. A GAME FOR WORLD PLAYERS,DETAILED BEYOND BELIEF AND NOT SO MUCH DRAMA!!!!...I WANTED TO BE A GLOBAL MOD ....AGAIN...,TO KICK PEOPLE OUT THAT GOT IN OUR WAY OF WINNING,OR THE ONES WE DIDNT LIKE,HELL I STILL HAVE THE EMAILS FROM THE MOD SQUAD FROM GOOGLEMOD WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND LAUGHED OUR ASSES OFF AT YOU PEOPLE!!!!. SAD TOO AS ZUPE LAYS BACK AND MAKES MONEY OFF NEWBIES AS YOU DEBATE SEMANTICS,SO NOW YOU ARE WONDERING WHO I AM,RICHY TRIED FOR A LITTLE WHILE BUT GOT BUSTED,RUSSI,WELL THATS ANOTHER STORY,NO,AS MUCH AS THEY TRY AND TRIED THEY FAILED,YOU GOT TO HAVE THE MINDSET TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOALS,AND WITH THIS DEBATING OVER RULES AND INGAME POLICE,I DONT, AND NEVER WILL SEE IT HERE. BUT FIRST I WANNA THANK NOUSHBAG,WHIP,AND GREYGHOST FOR KEEPING MY SECRET,I KNOW IT WAS HARD ON YOU GUYS BUT I KEPT MY PROMISE AND PLAYED STRAIGHT..
Hello, my name is Michael, Kevins brother, he left me instructions on how to find this site and said since hes always logged in,he said it shouldnt be any trouble to post here. I am on his laptop now and this is an intresting game, but now to why Im here, Kevin told me that he told you of his illness and he put off going to the doctor for a long time which i think would have helped him,hates hospitals.He said all of you let him join you despite him being "green" and i thank you for that, he loves family,especially wig(?) on here, he never knew his real dad since he was adopted. It is therefore with deep regret that i should inform you that Kevin died Wednsday afternoon on the table,during his operation Kevin went into cardiac arrest and with his body already unstable and undergoing partial tumor removal, the doctors tried but was unable to save him,I believe he did not suffer nor was in pain..He LEFT THIS LETTER FOR ALL OF YOU IN MoM....."DEAR GUYS, i go into surgery in about two hours and im bored so im writing this, if you're seeing this letter then all didnt go as planned and i have no fears,if you dont see it, then i will be on in a few days(why am i writin this part if no one will see it?),we start to die the minute we are born.I thank WIG for for helpin me join and ALL OF MOM that let me in as well, and to the members i fought and played with.and to those that i didnt,Thank You, you were my new family.You knew how to play,viciously,graciously,and light-heartedly,i think this squadron will grow more and more as others will see how you are,not about just winning,but caring,and teamwork..and killin each other in dogfights, gotta tell ya, it was always a scary sight to see a red MoM badge come over that horizon, i was always hesitant about firing on them.Whenever you're playing the game,look to those generated clouds and you might see me, not as the terror for which i was feared (HAH!),but as a brother- in- arms. So dont be sad at this,thats life,so open up a brew,pour a 40 on the curb,and go kill some red badges,and yes,even if its another MoM,..oh by the way,if you're tired of fightin do like i did (if not already), take your plane straight up to the max and touch the screen to look down,sorta peaceful seein all that land below,quiet, i died enuf in the clouds, i wanna check em out for a while.

It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to, than I have ever known.
kevin aka legendofkane signing out"
...A FAMOUS POST ON MOMS THREAD PAGE 42 FOR I AM THE ORIGINAL LEGENDOFKANE, KEVIN STANLEY..IM 20 NOW,MY ROUTER FRIED AND DIDNT THINK I WOULD BE ON FOR A WHILE,THEN AS MICHAEL(NAME OF A FRIEND I GRADUATED WITH},I CONTINUED ON THE LEGACY OF KANE,AND AS LIS,GIRL I DATED FROM GUATEMALA, A SHORT WHILE AGAIN. BUT NOW I WILL BE TRADING IN MY NOTE 3 FOR NOTE 4 AND AT THIS POSTING HAS BEEN DELETED. EMAILS TOO,ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS GAME,EXCEPT GOOGLEMOD EMAILS,THOSE ARE TOO FUNNY. SO ALL YOU OLD PEOPLE LIKE MUZICK AND OTHERS..WELL..SCREW YA,,AND BY THE WAY DUCKWING1 IS STILL AROUND,BELIEVE IT OR NOT SUCKERS...POST WHAT YOU WANT,TALK AMONG YOURSELVES,I WILL NEVER BE BACK TO SEE IT,LOSERS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

_________________________________________

A number of things come immediately to mind:

This person is a sick f*ck.

Whether Kevin and Michael were real or fabricated is immaterial. The trust we placed in them was real, the sadness we felt at the news that they were ill and then that they'd died was genuine.

Hiding behind an alias and duping trusting people does not make the trusting people fools, it makes the liar an emotionally stunted cheap thrill seeker with no moral fiber.

If this is true I'd have to credit the perpetrator with incredible patience as well as an incredible lack of character, it was a long way to go for virtually no payoff.

If this isn't true, and if TRIXSTER is someone else hiding behind a sock puppet account...I'm still not seeing the payoff.

Duckwing is still around? Not the first time we've heard the theory, and far from the most respectable source. Tell it to Brian Strachan who knew him by phone.

If Noushbag, Whiplash and GreyGhost were complicit in a twisted deception of this sort it requires a reevaluation of Noushbag and GreyGhost, they'd be no less sinister than the person claiming to be the author of the lies. I'll be curious to see their responses.

Whomever this "TRIXSTER is he's clearly not too bright. Suggesting that we Mods schemed and planned ways to crook the game in our favor...in an email group created by, monitored by and participated in 24/7 by the game developer himself...is about as inept a bit of slander as I've seen since the last time someone made similar accusations exactly as easily disproved by eyewitness Joaquin/zuperman. Do these wizards not realize that Joaquin (and every Mod) has complete, dated, easily corroborated records of every word ever exchanged in that group?

No one anywhere in Dogfight who was around at the time, who played with alleged Michael or his alleged brother before him, who maintained email and/or Private Message correspondence with him/them, who sought to comfort, condole, support, who treated him/them as online friends, should feel in any way diminished by this. Kind people behave with kindness and we saw a lot of it from all corners of the Dogfight community. Meanwhile, sick f*cks are just sick and stand little chance of ever being cured.

Even if it was a gag, what was gained? Some authentic closeness and camaraderie for us, not a thing for him/them. The Star Chamber and I have been skeptical about the entire Michael/Kevin thing, and particularly the "Lis" bit, right along. Were we mistaken in erring on the side of being too trusting? We were not. We only lose to the liars and manipulators of the world when we let them damage our willingness to think the best of people despite their having shown us the worst.

I don't know whether the Kevin and Michael we thought we knew were real or this TRIXSTER Kevin is real, and I don't care. He's of zero importance or consequence to us. The friendship freely offered by you all and the sentiments expressed were real, no amount of retroactive deceit could change that.

--w--

Awesome words wig!! 100% thats some sick low life s... right there!!

Mac wrote: Hey guys. I've been looking at forum posts and in-game behavior from a player named "DISRUPT."

I've found him to be fair, optimistic, level-headed, a fine pilot, and a loyal teammate.

Can I get a second opinion on the idea that an invitation is in order?

As a relatively new M.O.M, I never feel comfortable giving invitations. I guess I'm reluctant to make people go through the initiation ceremony with Bopes shy.

Invite away, Mac. He's probably Whiplash's dead brother's sock puppet, but I like him too.

If any of this 'confession' is true, then I believe, Whiplash, Grey ghost and Noushbag, if he is still in the game, should own up and make apologies, not just to the members of MOM, but to their own squads too. If this has been an elaborate fraud, members of their own squads and the many solo flyers were also duped. So you two, or the three of you, will you be men enough to step forward and state the truth, here to us and your own squads.

Wigbomb wrote:

Mac wrote: Hey guys. I've been looking at forum posts and in-game behavior from a player named "DISRUPT."

I've found him to be fair, optimistic, level-headed, a fine pilot, and a loyal teammate.

Can I get a second opinion on the idea that an invitation is in order?

As a relatively new M.O.M, I never feel comfortable giving invitations. I guess I'm reluctant to make people go through the initiation ceremony with Bopes shy.

Invite away, Mac. He's probably Whiplash's dead brother's sock puppet, but I like him too.

I saw disrupt in game today w anNLR tag so it would seem that he was snatched up already.....


Also, had a run in w a player named alexkiller who repeatedly SKed on runway with tank and trooper, and teamkilled his own tanks numerous times, gave him an awful beat down but he refused to apologize, so if you see him give him a healthy dose of mom love and tell him i said hello....





And last but not least, not exactly challenging opponents ( but gentleman nonetheless) but had first perfect FFA game