I was flying and came across some other flyers one of them was black dragon. And I was outnumbered 4 to 1,the nice thing for them to do is send one of their pilots over to my side. Instead they tank and drop their bombs on my hangars!

CORRECTION: It was black star.

And as a gunner,i wont give up. Just HB? Maybe a little reinforcements would be nice. Lol

'War doesn't wait for the odds to get even. War gets even no matter what the odds.'

Hero!c's/ Hero!c/ Hero!cz

Don't look at it as being fair or not fair. When you come across a game like that you should be very thankful because you don't get that opportunity often. More than likely you will lose that game but it's the best practice that you can get.

When put in that situation you have to be on point. Your action and reaction time have to be quick and you better be spot on with your shots or else the game won't last long. As for quitting, never even think about that.

Yeah ill keep that in mind. Just I got on here to cool of a little and I thinks things heated up. Lol yes i suppose practice is nice.

That's what make you good!! Though I can't say I love the situation but I kinda like it especially if they include tactical flyers, fighters, tanks, bombers in their team!! (and all of em attack together)

as long as they aren't dropping or sneaking it's fair.

In fact I love those games, a chance to rack up kills like crazy since the reds are a never ending stream, you don't have to worry about that boring flight between bases, they just keep coming

Now if they dropped and camped that's poor, but it reflects on them not you

But what if they are better than you. I believe i was the endless stream of red. Lol

[e]hammer_tool wrote: as long as they aren't dropping or sneaking it's fair.

In fact I love those games, a chance to rack up kills like crazy since the reds are a never ending stream, you don't have to worry about that boring flight between bases, they just keep coming

Now if they dropped and camped that's poor, but it reflects on them not you

U can't get prison time for nothing u said. & what u said is all within tactical guidelines. There is no nice way u can kill a person. Seriously. If u mysteriously had 100 bombs in u'r plane & still manage to shoot me down, I look @ u the same way I would look @ any player/ pilot.. don't care if they had bomb or not ? Still doesn't bring a pilot back to life with luv 1's. Don't care if the terrorist pack bombs or flew bombless.. there is no nice way to kill a Man.

But I do respect u'r opinion hammer tool.. we all have our opinion. But I fight lke if it's real War. So u pilots can think your cute if u want, trying to be patriotic in the middle of a War.. suit u'r selves.. but I have benn called names of disrespect for releasing my bombs not on u'r hangers.. but that's all an oppose-er can do ? Because it's the right to choose what tactic u will use to take the adversary out ? If I'm in War.. I would prefer to make it home for lunch ? Hold u'r bombs, hold u'r wallet, & hold u'r sandwich.. bcuz u won't be needing none of those things once I send u'r plane to ****

Just a game, lighting up to you who likes to fly your plane head on right into a line of 30 cal, Gud strategy ? I guess ? But why hate those who choose different.. lke those smarter then me said to do.. adapt ? peace. I respect u'r opinion although hammer tool, just conversing.

ohill21machine»MAV wrote: But what if they are better than you. I believe i was the endless stream of red. Lol

At least I will get some deaths in my stats then else people will think I am invincible and all of em will try shoot me down first

Some of those present here are notorious droppers anyway, so they get to fight with a clean conciense for once in such a situation.

The rest get the oportunity to discover their hidden masochistic side.

Must not have been here when it was 7 on 1 or 6 on 2...

Chill,

Remember the Alamo, buddy! I played a fun game last night. I had 2 noobs against Davy Crockett, Bilko, Blind Squirrel (I think) and a couple of red noobs. Prior to them joining, I was beating on the red noobs. I told them, "I am gonna lose, but y'all are gonna bleed!" I lost, I bled, and we had fun!

TXLAWMAN wrote: "I am gonna lose, but y'all are gonna bleed!"

Nice! I'm gonna steal this for future purposes !

I truly miss the outnumbered games, that is where I cut my teeth. To be 1 against 6 or 7 is how you learn to fight. I used to laugh as the noobs on the heavy side would remark "this should be an easy win", I would say "YUP". Or I would say "I hope help shows up", they would say "Yeah you are going to need it". My reply would always be "NOT FOR ME", lol. It never failed, they would start to leave after about 5 minutes. I can hold them off for a long while, If I get 1 half way good team mate, It's game on. As far as sneakers and droppers when I am outnumbered, I take it as a compliment, It just shows their weakness, they can't even get by me when I am alone.

before zup made even teams i used to go against 5 or 6 to one i was rank 20 and flew against 6 momainly morafs and air marshals i always shout im gonna loose but it aint gonna be easy for you "bring it"i had some good games and likesomone said you can rack up the kills as the stream of reds coming one after the other . after this game and many others i had so many said what a job i did i was smiling from ear to ear

Hulk and Dognamitt, I remember those days of torture... It was sad, cuz if I was alone against 7, I used to cry; and when I was on the 7-men group against a poor lone red, I always quit... Kudos for Zup on fixing it - of course, there is no guarantee on having 4v4 games all the time, cuz people enters and quit in seconds, but he made quite an accomplishment! Thanks, Zup!!! lopsided games are less prone, and when it happens, its rare to see a 5v1 or 6v2, for example.

About "fairness": Well, for coherence sake, in my humble and defective opinion, those who complain against droppers, sneakers, campers and spawnkillers should complain EVEN HARDER against unbalanced games. And those who believe unbalanced games are fair should NEVER complain against sneakers, droppers, campers or spawnkillers.

These kind of discussions goes nowhere.

I love those games...rack up lots of kills. Dropping or sneaking isn't a problem unless one or two of the four are experienced.

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: Don't look at it as being fair or not fair. When you come across a game like that you should be very thankful because you don't get that opportunity often. More than likely you will lose that game but it's the best practice that you can get.

When put in that situation you have to be on point. Your action and reaction time have to be quick and you better be spot on with your shots or else the game won't last long. As for quitting, never even think about that.

I am gonna agree with Gunnzz. I personally like situations where I am outnumbered. I go defensive usually and with the goal of not letting them get to my base or carrier. This includes never taking the chute option so you can respawn quicker. You can really rack up a lot of kills in a game like that. If you hold out long enough, you might eventually get some help.

Tips for the lopsided game from MäX
originally posted on Get a tissue!

BlüEMäX wrote:
Sometimes it's like the game wants to test you. Just to see if you will stay. I will admit sometimes after I see red after red enter I'm like WTH? Man I can play but give me a break. I still like to make it hard on em. Some of these turn around and some don't.

Tips for the lopsided game from MäX

1. Always shoot the guy that is killing you first. Not just rank. The one that is dropping you the most he is top of the list. Most times it will be a high rank guy but not always.

2. Never leave a tank. EVER

3. Kill as many chutes as you can. Doubling back to get tanks is time consuming. You have no time to waste. Defense.

4. Never Tank. Waste of valuable killing time. You are on defense. A tank is a offensive weapon. If you make it the last hill and get shot down tank there. No other time.

5. Chute kills save you buns. Jump and start shooting.

6. Kill planes before tanks. You can not kill tanks if someone shoots you down. Prioritize targets.

7. Memory. Remember the guys names that sneak. Make 2 runs low then drop and go high fast. He will be there. Kill him and return to the field. Two more runs and back high. You can set you watch by it. They will get tired of getting killed and leave. You will be happy. The same guys sneak every time. Over & over & over. Ugh.

8. Switch and help an outnumbered guy. They remember it. Some day they will return the favor.

9. Never leave. Don't quit. No matter what. Just keep killing.

10. Shoot planes down in order. Kill one, wait, kill 2, wait, kill 3, wait a sec. It spreads them out. They will be forever coming in a line. Easier to kill one at a time. If you have a horde of reds it is difficult. Very few guys form up and fly together.

11. Don't miss. make your shots count.

12. If you are shot down close to your base do not get in a chute. Choose plane and get in the air fast.

Some other reading that may interest you:

On Tactics, strategy and game philosophy

(A collection of posts from:)
The Unofficial Dogfight Law Library


Outnumbered? =Survival Mode=!!!

The Dogfight Meta -On strategic gaming possibilities.

SB467 DF MAXIM's & MORE -Strategic advice and more from a combat flight instructor.

There are no Rules: An Article on DF Ethics

Tips for the lopsided game from MäX

What makes a 'GG' a good game

Get a tissue!

Head on only? Why?

Bombing game tactics ?

Agreed

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: Don't look at it as being fair or not fair. When you come across a game like that you should be very thankful because you don't get that opportunity often. More than likely you will lose that game but it's the best practice that you can get.

When put in that situation you have to be on point. Your action and reaction time have to be quick and you better be spot on with your shots or else the game won't last long. As for quitting, never even think about that.

Fair or not its an experience, and a great one at that. Its a perfect way to hone your skills and become a better pilot. Playing when its 7-1 or 4-1 you can studie evey pilot in the game while deciding your next kill.

Dropping,camping and spawnkilling isnt fair when the odds are stacked against you, in my opinion. But dont stress out, if you do it becomes a nightmare. Just enjoy the game, then the kills become easier once your haven fun.

Thise are the only game I ever remember.

And a great oportunity to be a nuissance! Just pizzing on their parade.
There is nothing better than when they underestimate you. (Although in my case they are mostly right.)

That's where the best one liners come from. That's where you see if you would like to invite someone to your squad.
That's where mid ranked players get noticed, if they show "stick-to-it-ifness".

And a way to finally get some hangars, while throwing about remarks like: "OK red.......don't worry. We'll be gentle."
And: "Server doesn't like you apparently......and the server is always right."

Fair or not, you have to just deal with what you've been given.

As to people switching sides, that's easier said than done. If they don't pay for a subscription then they have to wait 7 minutes if they leave, and there have been many times I tried to switch but kept getting the same side, or got a completely different game. Thus, I just stay on the side I'm on.

As you may have read above, many people have been in your situation before, and it's a good learning experience, even when you're just getting your butt beat. One thing to NEVER do is quit, if nothing else sit on the tarmac with brakes applied and ride out the slaughter and you'll still get points for losing, however a loss never counts against you. Funny though, you see many people leave (even some morafs) if they know they are going to lose.

Also, you may quit only to have some really good flyers pop in on your side. I have had that happen where I was outnumbered, doing my best to hold off the beasts thinking I'm going to lose, but then help arrives and we turn the game around to win.

If I'm on the team that outnumbers the other side, then I work on making it fair and fun for that player. If they are noobs, then I will try to coach them a bit but many times they don't want coaching and just leave. I read a couple of guys that were against some noobs and agreed to not fire on them and just tried to bomb the hangers, and they were successful. That is a challenge for the top players, but also funner for the noobs.

But then you have those narcissistic players that just want to do what they want to do, pad their stats, to feed their egos, that just don't care and will do anything to win, or pad their stats.

Decide what sort of player you want to be and go for it, just realize that some ways to play people respect, and other ways to play, people don't respect. But then if your one of the narcissists then you really don't care about anyone else anyway.

Depends on who the ONE is.. personally I miss the lopsided games.. BIG TIME! Even if I lost they were fun, challenging, and memorable.

I'm with most of the long time players in that I love lopsided games. Usually if it was 6 vs me or 7 vs me I just say, "oh youre all dead now) and proceed to be beaten in but not without a fight. Once I was with livingdead99 against 6 and we beat the crap out of them. We did it so bad that they said we weren't being decent about our ruthless killing. They said my 31-6 record at that point was somehow cheating so they started sneaking?!!? Well anyway outnumbered games are fun and there is no expectation to win so just fly and kill as many as you can.

Gunners don't quit...ever.

Take your lumps, learn your lessons, earn respect...

I've been on both sides of this type of situation, unfortunately I can't switch sides as I am on "random play"... otherwise I would.

I've seen one guy hold off 4 or 5 until help arrives...

I personally have gained valuable experience in these games, just like everyone else has stated. I lust try to look at every chance I have to be up in the air is a chance to get better and to put myself in different situations that make me a better pilot.