Well Hello there wig ole chap

Jaclope u gots a deal! As for the ex. Captain ill let the striking thing slide cause u r new. Wow I have two operations in which I can get karma. Awsome!

I don't feel as I do as well as some of these guy's.....O O O O Oh feeling's.....Wooo Wooo Woooo feelings.......Ahhhh much better.....Had to get that little jingle out...

So, I've taken my tablets, had sleep and read all your messages (including Tex's translation document) and have decided that I was just as guilty for taking things out of context. I think my banner should be, the sorry sayer of M.O.M, or the dilemma maker of M.O.M.

I know that things over the pond are tense around guns and I must say that I don't really have a massive view on the gun laws, my opinion is summed up here in a much (non) respected welsh group. (Please be aware that this is another crazy video equal to planes bombing with cats)

www.muzu.tv/goldielookinchain/guns-dont-...-music-video/220799/

Yrros for taking up pages on the forum again!

Flyingmuck wrote: Why is peeps getting their knickers in a twist!

Ah, just been reading back a few pages, seems the knicker twisting is related, ultimately to guns.
Well I think just about everybody here knows my stance on gun ownership.
Now if I may suggest in future to save any misunderstanding, disagreement or knicker twisting, no pictures, no posts appertaining to private gun ownership should be made on this thread. Military, or law enforcement will be acceptable within reason. But nothing and I mean nothing that even hints at private ownership, unless you want a bloody good tongue lashing from yours truly. Do you follow!

I follow quite well. I kept very civil the last time you sat there and explained how our country should work to me. Now I won't. May I suggest obtaining citizenship and joining us then?

As far as the rest of it goes, my 2nd Amend rights are as important to me as my first. And, Muck... I really don't care if you give me a tounge lashing. Just know if it hadn't been for Neanderthals like me, you would be giving it to me in German.

I somehow thought that I had joined the "Mean Old Men", not the gun grabbing society of dogfight. Even if it is, it's ok with me until you start telling me what I can and can't discuss in regard to it. At that point, either it must stop, or you can take my name off of the board. If you choose to do so, no hard feelings, just a major disagreement of values and ideals.

Richy. You had no need to apologise. You seem like a great guy and I wish you only good things. Muck... I'm glad you want to sit around threatening tounge lashings. Lash yourself dude. Wig, I know you mean well with your feelings that said rights should be abolished, and I hope neither of us ever see that come true. It's your opinion, and I respect it, no matter how much I disagree with it.

(Still being as nice as I can)

David

I don't feel that at any point I told you how your country should be run, as for this latest spat, all I've suggested is no gun posts on the thread. And for your bloody information mate we stood alone against the nazis for 3 long years during which time the United States remained neutral the only thing that bought you guys into the whole sorry mess was the Japs sneaking a shit in your backyard.
If you all want to talk guns and show each other your guns, then make a thread for it.
As for me, I'm outa here.

Now hoooooollllldddd on just a second there, y'all.

There'll be no leaving the squad over some non-DF-related, talk-radio controversy on my watch, tell you what.

Anyone wants to do that will have to pry the roster from Wig's and ScheiBe's cold dead fingers.

See that? I feel so strongly about this I'm willing to use Wig and ScheiBe as human shields to defend my principles, gol durnit!

And not that it matters because NO ONE CAN QUIT OVER WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY, but I TOTALLY support the peoples' right to bear arms. Even Paul Mantz does: here's a picture of Paul sporting his bear arms:

Flyingmuck wrote: I don't feel that at any point I told you how your country should be run, as for this latest spat, all I've suggested is no gun posts on the thread. And for your bloody information mate we stood alone against the nazis for 3 long years during which time the United States remained neutral the only thing that bought you guys into the whole sorry mess was the Japs sneaking a shit in your backyard.
If you all want to talk guns and show each other your guns, then make a thread for it.
As for me, I'm outa here.

I'll never question the strength and resolve of the people of the UK... But I'm pretty sure most of the guys in my family got to make a trip over there to help out a bit... My point is... Aw hell. My point is everything I've already said. I just don't like being told not to discuss something like that. I have no interest in this being the local gun club, but its sure as hell not going to be off limits either.

Folks, one of the niceties of being a MOM has been the wit, insight, and civility revealed in the forum. Case in point, we just went through years os US political campaigning and, with few exceptions, forum comments tended to remain civil and respectful of the span of different opinions that are a reality in this international mix. In light of that, and of the recent - and hopefully isolated - drama over the US 2nd Amendment, I have to ask why have we gotten away with this for so long? In my opinion, for what its worth:

1. As a rule forum participants (at least our somewhat seasoned, or ripe, if you prefer) have fairly cosistently shown a respect and appreciation for the differences across time zones and latitude that each of us bring to the table. it seems there has been an awareness in the DF community that we all bring our own political and social views and values to the forum and that it is our common enjoyment of the game and an interest in flying/dogfighting that binds this crew together.

2. In the few instances where folks have felt the urge to express their personal values/beliefs - God, guns, political candidate choices - this community has generally had the good sense to opt for civility, ignore the outbursts, and drown those expressions with silence. I have seen no effort to strip anyone of their right to speak...just a general preference to ignore the soap box in favor of staying civil...of focusing on the common enjoyment of the game.

is this worth keeping? For the most part the forum is a place to share game experiences, frustrations, ideas for improving the game and player behaviors, personal details that explain our common appreciation for this game, and yes, some real community building in this digital world.

If that is something we, you want to keep, lets all try to think about the power of the words and symbols we use. We've had the good sense to fairly collectively react to the ignorance of racism, the negative influence of profanity in game, the shared responsibility to each other, young and old, to promote the values of honor and fairness in this game. And, these ideas can potentially extend outside the game as well.

It seems that when powerful words and symbols are injected into the forum that emphasize our differences, the result is often uncivil feather ruffling that leads players with one or more different opinions to feel rejected, isolated, insulted, and/or otherwise abused by the larger group. Sometimes this is followed by apologetic explanations, series of posts to smooth the water, etc.

I'd like to suggest that we all try to remember that we've been brought together by our appreciation of this digital game. The forum is a great place to celebrate that common preference and chew over everyday stuff. It is also a place where our collective reaction to generally unacceptable behavior can be brought to bear. I have seen this group react strongly when they see gender abuse, racism, inappropriate game play and language, etc. All of this shows the good side of a civil, online community.

The problems I've been discussing generally come up when social/cultural/political differences don't satisfactorily clarify what is preferable or acceptable. These can be differences about gun ownership; foreign policy; religion; economic policy; political candidate or party choices; drunk driving laws, etc. In a free society with free speech I would never limit anyone's expression of those views and values. In a game forum I hope that we can all overlook those expressions and remember what brings us together in the first place. If you like the Labour Party, great! Liked Romney for President, terrific! Think trickle-down economics are a joke, more power to ya! Want an arsenal in your basement, cool! I may or may not agree with any or all of those choices, but in the end that's not why we're on the forum or in the game. Let's have fun, be civil, promote this game, and kill 'em all!

Disclaimer: Author makes no claim to professional training or expertise relevant to above discussion, is not an MD or therapist, and likely exhibits more psychological abnormality than the general population. References to the US Constitution, Mitt Romney, The Labour Party and Religion are central to this discussion and not intended to violate international copyright law or personal sensibilities of the reader. Author clearly expresses no desire to offend any reader, but if offended, "get over it!" Now, take two aspirin, log on, get in a DF game, and kill something!

The A-10 was a favorite of mine as a soldier in Afganny land...
Nothing like a slow moving air beast to help a grunt...

legendofkane wrote: TO ALL HERE!!..THIS WAS MY FAULT..I POSTED A PIC OF MY DUTY/PERSONAL WEAPON IN RESPONSE TO A PM. MUCK DOESNT NEED TO GO ANYWHERE AND LIKE IT WAS SAID,THIS SHOULD NOT BE A POLITICAL DEBATE,PRO OR CON,BUT SHOULD NEVER BE AVOIDED AS THIS SQUAD IS A PLETHERA OF TOPICS AND VIEWS.THE VIEWS OF ANY COUNTRIES DEBATE OVER ANYTHING IS A PERSONAL AND CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED IN A GAMING FORUM,LIKE TEX SAID LONG AGO..NO POLITICS.I THEREFORE HAVE DECIDED NEVER TO POST HERE AGAIN ON ANY TOPIC..I CANNOT TELL SIMMO NOT TO USE FREE SPEECH TO CAUSE CONTROVERSY AND THEN DO THE SAME MYSELF AS THAT WOULD BE HYPOCRITICAL.AMERICANS HAVE THEIR OWN VIEWS OF GUNS AS DO OTHER COUNTRIES,AND EVEN IN THOSE COUNTRIES THERE ARE DIVISIONS.I MYSELF DONT HUNT,DONT NEED TO AS LONG AS I HAVE A GROCERY STORE,BUT I AM A LISCENSED AND NATIONAL CERTIFIED ARMED SECURITY OFFICER,POSTING MY BADGE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE.ALL REMAIN HERE KNOWING YOU ARE A CONGLOMERATE OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND OPINIONS,TRY TO SEE NO SUBJECT AS A HOT BUTTON,EVEN ON HERE THERE ARE TOUCHY,OPINIONATED VIEWS I.E SPAWNKILLING,SNIPING,ETC..AS SUGGESTED IN FORUM,A LIVE CHAT ROOM WOULD BE GOOD TO VENT OR DISCUSS TOPICS AS THIS..AGAIN MY FAULT,,IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN,NO REGRETS OR HARD FEELINGS TO ANYONE HERE..MICHAEL.

I'm neither sorry for believing what I for, nor standing up for it. I am sorry that it has caused such widespread over reaction on something as silly as a video game chat forum.

This sucks. It really bothers me that something so innanimate as a gun could cause this. Hell of a world we are living in.

Muck, I don't give a Muck whether its guns, speech, assembly, or the right for Dent to wear his dress. I just don't like being told not to speak of it. I don't want to see things that are advocating harm to innocent people. Guns might do that you say, but no, it's the guy holding it. My gun has protected me against that sort before.

Kidnappers lure kids with candy. Can we not discuss candy? Of course we can. I just don't understand how people can't see beyond the tool, and actually see the real problem. The person. My feeling is that it is fear. TV, Media, and the like have spent decades telling the average guy that guns are scary. "Mr Smith, do you own a gun? Oh you don't? It couldn't have been you then". I'm afraid the average person cannot see reality anymore. They perceive it through the lens of their telivision, never realizing the army of well paid people deciding how to phrase each and every word to make what is being presented seem like nothing but the gospel truth.

So now that I've put out the fire with dynamite...

I'll let it cool down and talk to you guys later

Jacklpe

Legend, not posting here is not necessary.

Y'all buncha knuckleheads! Michael, if you don't post here anymore, I'm gonna post for ya... Even steal the cat maybe.

Nobody was trying quash or quelsh (or any other q word I can think of) anybody else's rights. This is exactly what I was trying to avoid ( unsuccessfully) when I explained to Richy Poo there was a hot debate going on the states. And specifically asked... No commentary please.

Anyway, Muck I agree... Lets have a thread for guns if y'all want. Just like we have for knives and RC. Just starteit up. Jack. I wanna see your gun.... Hmmm let me rephrase that cuz that sounded dirty... Jack ,show me your weapon.... No that won't do either. Oh never mind. I wouldn't mind it if there was a gun thread

But as Muck asked let's keep any controversial posts out of the public squad thread. Or any posts that are solely dedicated to a non-squad related topic... Unless it involves cake. If you're shooting cake or using cake for ammo. Post it here.

And Sorry Muck, but all Yanks believe we saved the world from fascism. We're raised that way. Is kind like my dad can beat up your dad, when school boys get together. By he way.... My dad could beat your dad like a piñata.

Now lets go pick a fight with those falcons or even better those little yapping pups...

Aw shucks got deep in here while I was away. Well put bt. Now back to my "violent video game" fun for all. lol

On a completely different not and something we can mostly agree on.... Not liking Russl22

I flew in an incredibly long match with him. The most kills I've had in a match. It was a BTB and folks kept coming in and leaving so that each side was outnumbered in alternating waves. Russ, myself and a cat named Sonnycruz77 were the constants in the game, russl being red. Anyway, we finally got the upper hand and had one hangar left. Our very own Noushbag shows up just as I'm shooting russl down again. I give Noushy some direction and the next thing I know... The you win banner pops up. Yay we win! I was very excited until I saw it was russl that bombed the last hangar.... REALLY!?!? Your gonna do that instead of just leaving? Maybe not intentional, but I doubt it. He's been around long enough to which hangars are his and how not to hit your own even if you're dumping. Seemed very intentional to me. That was a punk move!

I've never had an opinion on this russl dude before... But I find myself leaning towards the Blue Max camp on this one!

Last post.
Thanks parrot, just a little about my old man, he's dead now rest his soul.
He was with the BEF at the start, got out at Dunkirk, was then posted to North Africa where he fought in the battle for Tobruk, after having the supply column he was leading bombed to fck by Stukas, even in later years a siren going off would make him jump. Back in England he trained for RAMC. I don't know a lot else of what he got up to, but I know he fought in Germany, was posted to Burma and had a go at the Japs, he didnt like them, yet had a lot of respect for the Germans. In later years he fought in Korea and in the suez crisis, he didnt like the Chinese either.
Then of course there was my mother, she falsified her age, did her training in time to be posted to France as front line nurse after the invasion.

That's all from lil ole me.

Oh yeah... Got so miffed talking about that game I forgot why I was posting. Sonnycruz77... Good guy. Maybe MOMaterial

Y'all check him out. He likes killing russl22! I asked him to stop by and check us out and introduce himself.

I'm not trying to swell ranks here and haven't really come right out and said, "you're invited to be a MOM". But when I see a good guy or gal out there I do invite them to come look at the thread and introduce themselves.

If I'm outta line, tell me before you take my cake away.

Please continue your posting Michael I'm totally with PH on that. It would be a terrible day not to see your cat or have your input here. Just sayin.

We are a highly diverse family..somewhat dysfunctional...yet family. So drink a pot of coffee & enjoy your daily buzz...

ParrotHead wrote: On a completely different not and something we can mostly agree on.... Not liking Russl22

I flew in an incredibly long match with him. The most kills I've had in a match. It was a BTB and folks kept coming in and leaving so that each side was outnumbered in alternating waves. Russ, myself and a cat named Sonnycruz77 were the constants in the game, russl being red. Anyway, we finally got the upper hand and had one hangar left. Our very own Noushbag shows up just as I'm shooting russl down again. I give Noushy some direction and the next thing I know... The you win banner pops up. Yay we win! I was very excited until I saw it was russl that bombed the last hangar.... REALLY!?!? Your gonna do that instead of just leaving? Maybe not intentional, but I doubt it. He's been around long enough to which hangars are his and how not to hit your own even if you're dumping. Seemed very intentional to me. That was a punk move!

I've never had an opinion on this russl dude before... But I find myself leaning towards the Blue Max camp on this one!

Yup you can bet it was on purpose. He's a D BAG. Punished him in a game last night. Killed him like 10 times. Screen shots of a few. Tried to skip around and find him after that one with no luck to bad his team beat me in the game had a few good team mates and I was preoccupied with his death. I'm starting a I killed Russl22 and liked it thread tonight. Lol

ParrotHead wrote: On a completely different not and something we can mostly agree on.... Not liking Russl22

I flew in an incredibly long match with him. The most kills I've had in a match. It was a BTB and folks kept coming in and leaving so that each side was outnumbered in alternating waves. Russ, myself and a cat named Sonnycruz77 were the constants in the game, russl being red. Anyway, we finally got the upper hand and had one hangar left. Our very own Noushbag shows up just as I'm shooting russl down again. I give Noushy some direction and the next thing I know... The you win banner pops up. Yay we win! I was very excited until I saw it was russl that bombed the last hangar.... REALLY!?!? Your gonna do that instead of just leaving? Maybe not intentional, but I doubt it. He's been around long enough to which hangars are his and how not to hit your own even if you're dumping. Seemed very intentional to me. That was a punk move!

I've never had an opinion on this russl dude before... But I find myself leaning towards the Blue Max camp on this one!

I mean come'on, there is no coincidence here...you give Noush a command to blow up the enemy base and of course they immediately blow up their own hangars then to deal with the Noush! Not the first time it has happened, a game before that, I was offered fortunes and first-borns so I took the offer then blew them up anyway

Other than the scarey picture, this chandler guy is not to be trusted, bought down whitenow and repeated shots and me and essox.

I took him down once too many and got banned out of the best game in ages

Where is the uptade for apple devices?

I'm in the same group as you guys regarding Russl22 - see my take on him calling me a cheater a few weeks ago.

Flyingmuck wrote: Sadly, arms and munitions manufacturers and dealers will lobby against any change to the "right to bear arms" they have the financial resources to do so and think about how many congressmen own a weapon it two. Big guns are like big fast cars, they give the owner a hard on and nobody can make a man willing give up his penis. And the so called hunter...he can't go into work on Monday and brag about the joint of meat a purchased in the market on Saturday, in the way he can brag about shooting down bambi from 500 yards, hidden and using a telescopic sight. Notice how all these people psychos and so called hunters go for easy targets.

Sorry if I upset any of you who hunt, but this is the 21st c, you don't need to hunt anymore, therefore you don't need guns.

The lecture

Big Tex wrote: I'm in the same group as you guys regarding Russl22 - see my take on him calling me a cheater a few weeks ago.

Huh? Screenshot?

Flyingmuck wrote: Some figures

94,388 people shot in US so far this year
190 people shot in US this Saturday
50 shots fired by a gunman at shopping mall the day after the massacre
40% of firearms purchases in US do not need a background check
42 US states do not ban or regulate assault rifles
39 people killed by firearms in UK 2008/2009
35 killed by firearms in Australia in one year
60 killed by firearms in Spain in one year
9,484 killed by firearms in US in the same year
US is just 5% of global population but has 50% of firearms worldwide
300 million is the number of privately owned firearms in the US

Stop and think about it.

You don't need a gun to be a man, if you want to be a man and a decent human being, help an old lady cross the road, or better yet....make a child laugh.

Part 2

Richyroo wrote: Other than the scarey picture, this chandler guy is not to be trusted, bought down whitenow and repeated shots and me and essox.

I took him down once too many and got banned out of the best game in ages

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Was a great fight when all of us were there.

I know I have an I pod an i feel left out.


Hi I'm striker.
Hi striker.
I don't have an update.
*cry dab dab* there there ur just like all of us.



Family counseling.

And Parrothead... This is what I carry 90% of the time (you asked). It's a simple Smith and Wesson .38 special +P 5 shot airweight revolver. Although I have handguns with high capacity clips and other stuff, this is about as practical for personal defense as you can get.

And Muck... It has never, not even once, given me a hard on... That would just be weird. I assume you saw that on TV somewhere.

Hi MOM's
My name is Martin AKA "Billy the kin" .I would like to become a member and have made an Application as per page one of MOM.The rules seem strait forward to me,at least the ones I read.I live in the UK (Exeter)I'm 43 and can't remember a time when it hasent been raining .MOM has some great pilots and I look forward catch up with you all soon.