M4rtin wrote: We all have much love and respect. He is who he is and who he was or is it the he who he can be next He has only taken down the banner, not anything ele. But banner should come back and Rick could not have said it better on the Blacklist thread. He would never disrespect anyone or cause harm in his play to disrespect anyone. He has never done that and it is a shame that people would think that.

Fly your colors, fly your names, fly as who you could be next

OK I think I need the inscription code for this one batman decoder ring, what or who r we talking about?

k man wrote:

M4rtin wrote: We all have much love and respect. He is who he is and who he was or is it the he who he can be next He has only taken down the banner, not anything ele. But banner should come back and Rick could not have said it better on the Blacklist thread. He would never disrespect anyone or cause harm in his play to disrespect anyone. He has never done that and it is a shame that people would think that.

Fly your colors, fly your names, fly as who you could be next

OK I think I need the inscription code for this one batman decoder ring, what or who r we talking about?

Read the last few pages of the Blacklist Thread. Explains it all.

Congratulations Bell (& Mrs. Bell of course)!!! All the best to you both and the new addition!

Well for the billionth time, CONGRATULATIONS. proud daddy bellsaj

Why oh why oh why???
They made my do it!!!!
Forced to update........ Nonononononoooooooooooooooooooooo
Get the boot every time i tank!
Life is over(not really)......... Tank is all i had....
REALLY PIST RIGHT NOW!!!

BrianC219 wrote: Why oh why oh why???
They made my do it!!!!
Forced to update........ Nonononononoooooooooooooooooooooo
Get the boot every time i tank!
Life is over(not really)......... Tank is all i had....
REALLY PIST RIGHT NOW!!!

Only positive note is its only a disadvantage in bomb the carrier. Sit by the ship or base as long as you can. Till the time runs to almost zero after you are shot down close. You will be surprised how many crashes you cause the other team. It still sucks till its fixed.

Congratulations Bell!! Sorry to be late to the party but what an absolute blessing you now have!

I know it is old news now, but this is the first chance I have had to catch up on the forum. My sincere congradulations bell. What a little angel. Enjoy her, spoil her and take good care of her momma.

Without a doubt... Flying with ( and against) M.O.Ms make my favorite games.

DIESEL, YEMX, Hansone and DannyDrooler... Great game guys. Too bad none of you bastards were on my side.

Diesel, you make me a better chaser! Brian watch out for razor burn.

ParrotHead wrote: Without a doubt... Flying with ( and against) M.O.Ms make my favorite games.

DIESEL, YEMX, Hansone and DannyDrooler... Great game guys. Too bad none of you bastards were on my side.

Diesel, you make me a better chaser! Brian watch out for razor burn.

Yah great game! Sorry I dropped out battery died.... Oh and tanks for the advice!

Wig, I know that we already discuted it via PM, and I already said that I would not discuss it anymore. But last night I kept thinking about it, and since your PM has a little different tone than the public message you posted, here goes my (this time last) thoughts about that matter:

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. Wigbomb wrote: Ped, I still think you're missing the point; re-read Richy's response to Ronnie Biggs. Mr. Biggs made anti-pledge drive points similar to yours. Like yours they were carefully considered and intelligently presented. Richy's lucid, concise response was enough to sway RB and should be enough to convince anyone in doubt.

I am not as brilliant as Roonie or RichyRoo. And I am too stubborn to be convinced so easyly.

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. Wigbomb wrote: In short, you aren't "donating" so much as you are buying something you can't otherwise get. A copy of the game for a fraction of its market value and other incentives upon which I couldn't put a price.

In the case of 1-9 dollars donations, there is no reward; so, it IS a donation, and being it, I believe people should donate this sum to orphanages or alike, instead of donating for a software development group. I am not against pledging to the Elite project. I only believe that there is no point in DONATING 1-9 dollars for nothing.

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. Wigbomb wrote: Designing your own mission! Your name or that of your company on a permanent landmark (billboard, side-of-a-barn, sheep) within the game! Is it a conventional business model? No. Is it the traditional approach to floating funding or venture capital? No. Does Joaquin plan to take a $125,000 trip around the world? Does he want the suits controlling his labor of love? Do we? No, no and emphatically f*ck no.

OK, but if Z team wants this kind of high-price "investiment", they should hit the correct audience, not us, normal players (except Paul and a few others that can donate 4-5 digits ammount of money). For the great most of us, normal players, the only acceptable "products" are those between 10 and 125 dollars. No cake under 10 bucks, and no cash to spend with gaming above 125 dollars. And think about: if/when Zup get the 125k, he will deliver what he promised, ok; but after that, what will be? From where will he get the money to mantain servers working from then on?

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. Wigbomb wrote: Another point I need to stress; no one has "given","donated" or in any way parted with a thing. Not unless and until DF Elite makes its Kickstarter goal. Until that tote board turns over $125k you haven't spent a cent.

This part makes no sense, Wig, sorry to say it. There is no logic in this argument, it won't help people change their mind and begin to pledge. Pledging involves real money; even if it is not being taken right now, the billS WILL be reaching our footsteps soon or later! By making pledges we need to be prudent, so we can't promise what we can't pay! They don't need promises, they need THE MONEY THAT COMES FROM US. Think about it, and you will see that is no point on what you said.

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. Wigbomb wrote: I don't know about you but I can't recall having a blast playing hours a day for months on end with a game I got for free. Oh...wait...yes, I can; it was called Dogfight. I downloaded it for exactly zero dollars then had the time of my gaming life playing it for the better part of a year. So yes, there is that customer/vendor relationship we have with Joaquin. He's the vendor who never got paid by me...

I agree, I love this deffective game more than I wish, to the point I am worried about the great amount of time it takes from me!!! But how do you play online with the free version????? As far as I can tell, the free version os only usefull to play practice missions... Correct me if I am wrong, but every single player we meet online payd at least some bucks to get there... (?)

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. Wigbomb wrote: I'm one of the tens of thousands of consumers who have enjoyed the bejesus out of the product of his hard work and who've yet to receive his invoice.

That's the point: Z should ask for monthly contribution to got his well deserved profit and to pay for good servers and all that is needed to make the CURRENT VERSION work. "I need to stress this": even with its current flaws, this current version of the game is played and loved by thousand of us, myself included! I agree with turning it on a more profitable thing for Zup's team, I agree to pay a (low) monthtly fee to play this marvelous deffective piece of mobile software! Think hard about what I am saying, Wig, please! Instead of taking a step up rignt now, Zup should amalgamate the current thing, and perhaps in a year or two, he could make a more stable and reliable endeavour!

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. Wigbomb wrote: So no, not "period". I love you, Ped, but nothing is ever "period". (insert inappropriate punchline here)

I need to agree with you on that one. Nothing is "period". Specially in my Attention Deficit Disorder suffering life...

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. Wigbomb wrote: On the other hand, the suggestion that Joaquin insert some sort of cannot-be-ignored reminder about DFE into the current game is brilliant. You are so right about how many players are still completely unaware of the new game or the pledge drive. I've already emailed your idea to him. (Maybe not on the side of the zep!) I think there should be a screen before the main game screen...right after the Echoboom Apps logo screen...with a brief DFE promo and link to the kickstarter page. That way, as you said, everyone will know about the new game and the urgent need for support.
On the other other hand...thanks for upping your pledge, mister man. Even through your own haze of doubt you manage somehow to do the right thing. I may start referring to each of these instances as a RAP. (Random Acts of Ped)

Thanks again. It looks like there is a radical update on the servers, because yesterday I tried to play and, for the first time ever, I couldn't play using the previous version. And didn't update yet because I was under 3G, no wifi nearby...
And about RAPs, thanks for the explanation on that PM, I was geting worried about it... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Just one last thing: when you refer to "doing the right thing", take in mind that what is right for "A" isn't always right for "B". I'm not Spike Lee. I am just a man that is BUYING SOMETHING IN ADVANCE, not "donating".

So, just one more "R.A.P.":

DON'T DONATE LESS THAN 10 BUCKS, GUYS. GO "BUY" THE ELITE $ 10 VERSION RIGHT NOW, AND LETS SHOW THEM THAT WE REALLY ENJOY LOOKING SILLY BY WAVING OUR PHONES OVER OUR HEADS IN PUBLIC!

Blue max ....thank you for the complement sorry i kept getting kicked out i work on an oil rig two weeks outta the month in a remote area the service is horrible ..you guys had me pinned down good bravo!! Your a great shot ! I tried lol i wanted to finish that one for spite lol. Have a great day max it was a pleasure watching an ace at work ...unfortunately it was on me haha

snobumm1 wrote: Blue max ....thank you for the complement sorry i kept getting kicked out i work on an oil rig two weeks outta the month in a remote area the service is horrible ..you guys had me pinned down good bravo!! Your a great shot ! I tried lol i wanted to finish that one for spite lol. Have a great day max it was a pleasure watching an ace at work ...unfortunately it was on me haha

Always a worthy foe. Nice DF skills to by the way. You were givin as good as you got in that one. My game has been giving me the boot a lot to. Lost conn on about 5 yesterday and no more tank for me. Where are you drilling at? What has company? I'm in oil and gas myself. I posted a few pics of us at work a little while back. I'm sitting in front if this rig right now waiting to do a walk through for a new job.

Oil? What about DIESEL...........?

Lol!!! I work for h&p too!! Im on a new flex 5 , i was on a flex 3 for two years ! Im in watford city north dakota

snobumm1 wrote: Lol!!! I work for h&p too!! Im on a new flex 5 , i was on a flex 3 for two years ! Im in watford city north dakota

I was headed to Williston. Got side tracked. Plus I hate snow. I'm in NW Oklahoma. Been here a year and a half now. I've got several friends in North Dakota right now. Looks like ND is the hottest thing goin. They sent me this the other day.

Im a derrickman ...max what do you do ? Its good to meet you im rob by the way , from montana

I've been too busy to fly for a bit.
I get a chance and the cat that adopted me decided it was lunch time and jumped on me. Spilled my coffee (very hot) all over me. I don't use my lap anymore anyway. But, I love my coffee.
Lunch is on me today! Line up!

snobumm1 wrote: Im a derrickman ...max what do you do ? Its good to meet you im rob by the way , from montana

I welded for many years on just about everything you can imagine. Before I came here I was superintendent for a construction company. Refinery and pipeline. Came here as a senior welding inspector. Now I'm chief inspector. I have 3 construction companies, 6 inspectors, and 3 whole gathering systems that I take care of. Right now we follow 8 rigs. They drill em we tie em in. Last year at this time we had 42. Slowed a lot. It's supposed to pick back up. In a few months. Texas born and raised. North if Amarillo in the middle of the panhandle. Exiled to Oklahoma.

Randy Young

Blackhawk great games last night Lotta fun and laughing like old times. Lost you after that game and went into a 3 hour blood bath it was great you should have been there. J bolas dae suxxor ohno just to name a few. Great to have you back. . Oh Diesel we're tied 1 1 yesterday ill see you today

He'll get u back, just u wait

Before this i owned a residental and light commercail construction company specailizing in concrete and masonry ..decorative concrete was my bread and butter ..then i went on to a super fo major heavy commercail concrete company ..rebuilding roads ,sidewalk ,curb ,gutter and stormdrain. The whole ball of wax ....uncle obama stepped in and now the federal funding is cut way back ...so now im alaska raised montanaliving. Exile to north dakota lol ...at least for two weeks out of the month then i get two weeks off .

snobumm1 wrote: Before this i owned a residental and light commercail construction company specailizing in concrete and masonry ..decorative concrete was my bread and butter ..then i went on to a super fo major heavy commercail concrete company ..rebuilding roads ,sidewalk ,curb ,gutter and stormdrain. The whole ball of wax ....uncle obama stepped in and now the federal funding is cut way back ...so now im alaska raised montanaliving. Exile to north dakota lol ...at least for two weeks out of the month then i get two weeks off .

We can thank Obama for the work slowing here to. I will be glad to see him leave. My concrete work looks like a kindergarten play doh art project.

I can feel your pain, i own several apartments in Tennessee, we are doing ok but several tenants are paying rent from unemployment checks. Construction is way down, no bank will loan money and the medical centers out here are very uncertain how Obama care is going to affect them. It has already increased the insurance premiums of several people i know, not just a little increase but huge. Also several tenants are now taking home less money. Tax increases, utility bills are skyrocketing. DID OBAMA NOT SAY THAT UTILTY BILLS WOULD DRAMATICALLY INCREASE UNDER HIS PROGRAMS. Well they have. Obama said that he would fundamentally change the UNITED STATES. Well he has, even when and IF he leaves the damage has already been done. Hang in there folks, the ride is going to get mighty bumpy.

Davy Crockett wrote: I can feel your pain, i own several apartments in Tennessee, we are doing ok but several tenants are paying rent from unemployment checks. Construction is way down, no bank will loan money and the medical centers out here are very uncertain how Obama care is going to affect them. It has already increased the insurance premiums of several people i know, not just a little increase but huge. Also several tenants are now taking home less money. Tax increases, utility bills are skyrocketing. DID OBAMA NOT SAY THAT UTILTY BILLS WOULD DRAMATICALLY INCREASE UNDER HIS PROGRAMS. Well they have. Obama said that he would fundamentally change the UNITED STATES. Well he has, even when and IF he leaves the damage has already been done. Hang in there folks, the ride is going to get mighty bumpy.

That's how it is world wide at the moment, we're all feeling it, all you can do is grit your teeth and get through as best you can.

Hey davey Crockett. Enjoyed the game immensely earlier in the day. Was an epic battle. I got booted when I shot foust with a tank. Darn update. I wish I was able to Finnish it . Just want you to know I did not leave you willingly.

Hey can y'all do this old bird a favor... Even if I agree with you (or not) please move the political comments to a dedicated thread. So far the comments have all been in agreement, but there others here that will not agree. This has a potential to become hotly debated and possibly inflammatory. I do not want it to blow up in the M.O.M house. Thanks in advance for you consideration.

PH

Flyingmuck wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: I can feel your pain, i own several apartments in Tennessee, we are doing ok but several tenants are paying rent from unemployment checks. Construction is way down, no bank will loan money and the medical centers out here are very uncertain how Obama care is going to affect them. It has already increased the insurance premiums of several people i know, not just a little increase but huge. Also several tenants are now taking home less money. Tax increases, utility bills are skyrocketing. DID OBAMA NOT SAY THAT UTILTY BILLS WOULD DRAMATICALLY INCREASE UNDER HIS PROGRAMS. Well they have. Obama said that he would fundamentally change the UNITED STATES. Well he has, even when and IF he leaves the damage has already been done. Hang in there folks, the ride is going to get mighty bumpy.

That's how it is world wide at the moment, we're all feeling it, all you can do is grit your teeth and get through as best you can.

small family farmers have been getting a government boot to the head for centuries and there's not to many of us left, so this is nothing new to me and my fellow food producers, did you know that there's more people working in the US department of agriculture then there are farmers , SAD

k man wrote:

Flyingmuck wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: I can feel your pain, i own several apartments in Tennessee, we are doing ok but several tenants are paying rent from unemployment checks. Construction is way down, no bank will loan money and the medical centers out here are very uncertain how Obama care is going to affect them. It has already increased the insurance premiums of several people i know, not just a little increase but huge. Also several tenants are now taking home less money. Tax increases, utility bills are skyrocketing. DID OBAMA NOT SAY THAT UTILTY BILLS WOULD DRAMATICALLY INCREASE UNDER HIS PROGRAMS. Well they have. Obama said that he would fundamentally change the UNITED STATES. Well he has, even when and IF he leaves the damage has already been done. Hang in there folks, the ride is going to get mighty bumpy.

That's how it is world wide at the moment, we're all feeling it, all you can do is grit your teeth and get through as best you can.

small family farmers have been getting a government boot to the head for centuries and there's not to many of us left, so this is nothing new to me and my fellow food producers, did you know that there's more people working in the US department of agriculture then there are farmers , SAD

more chiefs than Indians as usual