None to my knowledge Roo...besides, you got the missus to clean up any of your messes!

Everyone take a deep breath and a shot of your favorite beverage.

I am going to try to explain my feelings on several subjects. As a M.O.M & not a Star Chamber member.
Remember, a star is nothing more than a mass of hot gas.

1. "RULE?" violations: Read the rules? Yea, right. I am certain everyone has....
Very few have even proffered bribes. That's a "firm?" rule.
Therefore, I call for the IMMEDIATE EXPULSION of those members that failed to pay their bribes (or even LIP service) to LOUIE.
2. Reporting someone here & then reporting on the other thread 2 hours later doesn't constitute a proper amount of time to try to get things checked out, understood, and action taken. Going off half-cocked is like going without one all together.
3. Rudeness? Don't like it. See it? Not yet. Got pics? Haven't seen them.
4. PMs? I have not talked with anyone that received one. (Even now.) What happened to common courtesy?
5. I'm only a member of the Star Chamber because of my good looks. Definitely not for talent or skill. This has made us targets for some people to apply a KILL ON SITE order. (Yes, I am privy to this order to a particular squad because I read it on the privy wall.) Do I care? No.
6. Do I care if a certain person here doesn't like me? No. (Your comment that "he's the funniest person in DF" was taken as a compliment (after all the sarcasm and facetiousness was wiped off).
7. I have felt for a while that we don't need to recruit. We need members that want to be a M.O.M and not just for the free cake.
If you don't contribute here & the air, take the tag off. If you've got time to fly and say thank-you to others on other threads, you have time to say hi here.
8. Other squads copy us.
For example: Cake. Started here.
Animal avatars? You research it......etc.
Let them copy us as a group of friends that can bust each other's chops without running to mommy.
9. Showing high kill stats. "My, oh, my. I killed 1000 people and the game took 8 hours." Drop a bomb on hangers/ship every so often!
A "real" pilot's stats would show kills/bombs. Example: Game from other night. On 1 run to bomb. I got 5 kills/3 hangers. Total for game? 8 kills/7 hangers.
I then see here..."Look at my stats! 1,000,000 kills...I won the game!" BS! You played FFA. (Not the assigned mission: BTB) Sure distraction helps, but, heck, drop a bomb every now and then.

I am here for fun and escape (for a bit) from "real life", not for petty bickering and bs.
I am certain my words will be probed, examined and misunderstood.
I am becoming accustomed to reading comments from people that respond first, then SKIM over what they are commenting on.

So, you can pick me apart now......

Paul Mantz, Jr.

(I'll wager only 3 people read/comprehended the above.)

edit: I was typing as others posted. WIG...right again. Thanks.
POOHEAD...see your last post to witness how well I follow rules.

As always, very well said WIG. As a "NEW GUY" I have inadvertently pissed off some of the long time members by what? Questioning a question? Having D I E S E L quit? Look if anything, I got him to write on the forum, promise to be more active and hell even start his own thread. Something that hasn't happened since he joined up. Leave the sheep alone and engage in the debauchery ya ol farmer. And I have a new rule 11.5, when in FFA, shoot at D I E S E L first, ask questions later.

Captain Noushbag wrote: As always, very well said WIG. As a "NEW GUY" I have inadvertently pissed off some of the long time members by what? Questioning a question? Having D I E S E L quit? Look if anything, I got him to write on the forum, promise to be more active and hell even start his own thread. Something that hasn't happened since he joined up. Leave the sheep alone and engage in the debauchery ya ol farmer. And I have a new rule 11.5, when in FFA, shoot at D I E S E L first, ask questions later.

No Noushy, you didn't get folks mad by questioning, you got folks mad because you went about it the wrong way man.

Like any organization that grows, the family dynamics are bound to change. One thing though that we in the SC attempt to do is to preserve the essence of what brought us together in the first place. Part of that is the genuine love of the game and respect for each other, and to be okay with our individual differences. Irreverence for "formal" rules is one of the core tenets that makes MOM, well, MOM. When we deliberate in the SC part of what takes us so long on deciding on new membership is that we want to ensure that the new guys "get" it. That's why each of you who are new were asked to join. That and being a terror in the skies!

Noushy I don't want it to seem like we're singling you out. Each of us has been guilty to some extant of not being all that a MOM should be lately. Except maybe for Paul. I agree with the chest thumping and bravado too; we know you can scrap. Too much swag and not enough class. Let's all strive to be more like George Clooney rather than The Situation. Or in my case more like Denzel. Or Idris.

Sorry to have to do this but I'm invoking the Alexander Haig provision of Rule 6 - I am now in charge of MOM.

I haven't been around much because I've been trying to raise bail money for Dogss. With that accomplished, it looks like I've got a few things to clean up around here. It got so bad, I guess, that I was asked if I was a new member of MOM recently. New member? I'll have you know I'm like the Robert Treat Paine of MOM (extra credit for the prodigy flyer that does a 500 word essay on him and his contributions). We all can't be Jefferson's and Franklin's...we need our Paine, too!

First off, Diesel is staying. I had a long talk in person with him. Well, I'm not sure it was him but he looked like a farmer. Well, it wasn't really in person. OK, I watched an old episode of Hee-Haw. Anyway, he's staying. Plus, Diesel should know that I can turn his barn yard animals against him if he disagrees. I don't want to get specific when so many prodigy members read these posts but let's just say I have a way with barn yard animals.

Second, MOM's founding principal is that we really can't put up with rules so no one should be leaving or getting upset about breaking a rule.

I wish I had time to fly more but it sure is great to get into games with a bunch of MOMs. Had a blast last night basically trying to fend off Paul and his "Magic Time!" dive bombs at my base. Paul, it didn't go unnoticed that you did an end-of-round all the while chatting to a make believe noob on how to fly. Only then to see "Magic Time!" come across the chat and see two of my hangers on fire (of course it was the middle two so that made me laugh).

As far as the forum and this thread, it's dumbfounding. I admit I can no longer keep up with it but it's interesting to see how the new members kind of take over for a bit until newer members come along. None of it's bad or wrong but that's how we've gotten to 400+ pages. Side note, my vote for best page was 362...classic!

Anyway, the pressure of leadership is really too great. Stepping down now...retiring to the Apostolic Palace as I need to catch up on my reading. I've been too focused on this one book.

I bet diesel puts red tax free diesel in his plane. Dont get your tanks dipped, big fine!

Thats why he's always smoking, too. Watch out for fouled spark plugs!

Me an PH get triple digit kills and look at all the hate and jellousy..we are called classless, chest thumping swaggers LOL! Nice one Tex. PH, next time post the Screen Shots at 40 kills or something alright? I have to go, got more chest thumping to do.

ZANDOR:
Not an end-around. Underground. I took the train.
As far as the middle 2 ? Just trying to give you a chance.
I'm sincerely sorry it didn't help.

You mentioned "HEE HAW" and it got me thinking. (dangerous I know).
I remembered something from that show and how it applies here and now.

We've got a Farmer that doesn't care for the forum too much.
It could be a difficulty understanding the words written by some.
I get confused, too.

Let's all put on our overalls and go see the barber, as a group of friends, as a group of M.O.Ms and have the writing translated for us.



Do tou yhink it'll ee basier now?

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Group Hug Therapy?
Man I just can't get enough of this game! So dynamic in so many ways! Thank all of you that put in the effort to make all of this more enjoyable. I have learned that you have to break an egg to make a CAKE!

Yah I said cake!
YEMX

Captain Noushbag wrote: Me an PH get triple digit kills and look at all the hate and jellousy..we are called classless, chest thumping swaggers LOL! Nice one Tex. PH, next time post the Screen Shots at 40 kills or something alright? I have to go, got more chest thumping to do.

No hatred or jealousy; quite the opposite. The point was that we KNOW without having to broadcast what our skillsets are. We wouldn't have invited you to be a part of our squad if we didn't think you weren't going to be very good. We're talking style points here and asking for a bit more MOMlike modesty.

DEAR MOM's

I, being a highly professional individual, cannot in good conscience join an organization that does not have extremely high core values. This morning i devised a story that I do not like nor eat cake. I did this to give the MOM organization an opportunity to prove their core values. Well the cake hit the fan!!

I have received hate mail, death threats, cakes thrown at my door, my car was caked and even my dog was caked. I'm certainly glad my wife was out of town or she probably would have been caked also.

It pleases me to announce that MOM has passed the test as in the face of adversity you kept your core value and did not back down on the cake issue just to get me as a member. Job well done folks.

Now it pleases me to bring to you the exciting news. I AM A MASTER CAKE BAKER. I have been a professional cake baker for 4 years now. Have you not heard of the DAVY CROCKETT PROFESSIONAL CAKE BAKING COMPANY. That's right, that is me. Is that exciting news for MOM or what.

Today I baked a couple of cakes just to show you my talent. If MOM ever had a reunion or conference it would be a pleasure to bake your cakes (for a fee of course). See the pictures of my cakes. Um um um.

Davy Crockett wrote: DEAR MOM's

I, being a highly professional individual, cannot in good conscience join an organization that does not have extremely high core values. This morning i devised a story that I do not like nor eat cake. I did this to give the MOM organization an opportunity to prove their core values. Well the cake hit the fan!!

I have received hate mail, death threats, cakes thrown at my door, my car was caked and even my dog was caked. I'm certainly glad my wife was out of town or she probably would have been caked also.

It pleases me to announce that MOM has passed the test as in the face of adversity you kept your core value and did not back down on the cake issue just to get me as a member. Job well done folks.

Now it pleases me to bring to you the exciting news. I AM A MASTER CAKE BAKER. I have been a professional cake baker for 4 years now. Have you not heard of the DAVY CROCKETT PROFESSIONAL CAKE BAKING COMPANY. That's right, that is me. Is that exciting news for MOM or what.

Today I baked a couple of cakes just to show you my talent. If MOM ever had a reunion or conference it would be a pleasure to bake your cakes (for a fee of course). See the pictures of my cakes. Um um um.

This guys a genius.

Big Tex wrote:

Captain Noushbag wrote: As always, very well said WIG. As a "NEW GUY" I have inadvertently pissed off some of the long time members by what? Questioning a question? Having D I E S E L quit? Look if anything, I got him to write on the forum, promise to be more active and hell even start his own thread. Something that hasn't happened since he joined up. Leave the sheep alone and engage in the debauchery ya ol farmer. And I have a new rule 11.5, when in FFA, shoot at D I E S E L first, ask questions later.

No Noushy, you didn't get folks mad by questioning, you got folks mad because you went about it the wrong way man.

Like any organization that grows, the family dynamics are bound to change. One thing though that we in the SC attempt to do is to preserve the essence of what brought us together in the first place. Part of that is the genuine love of the game and respect for each other, and to be okay with our individual differences. Irreverence for "formal" rules is one of the core tenets that makes MOM, well, MOM. When we deliberate in the SC part of what takes us so long on deciding on new membership is that we want to ensure that the new guys "get" it. That's why each of you who are new were asked to join. That and being a terror in the skies!

Noushy I don't want it to seem like we're singling you out. Each of us has been guilty to some extant of not being all that a MOM should be lately. Except maybe for Paul. I agree with the chest thumping and bravado too; we know you can scrap. Too much swag and not enough class. Let's all strive to be more like George Clooney rather than The Situation. Or in my case more like Denzel. Or Idris.

Tex, first let me applaud your writing style and say that almost sounds like something out of the constitution.."we the SC try to preserve.." very well written.

I've been thinking about your comment though about "going about it the wrong way" and I have this to say about it: I saw a flaw in the system, I raised a question but it wasn't well perceived by some but not by all. There are many members who feel the way I do about what qualifies one for a "membership" in a squad. First and foremost is forum participation. All squads are forum formed, forum based and forum implemented. The small in game chats are no way comparable to the wealth of information exchanged in the forums. I firmly believe in order to earn the right to wear the tags, you must participate--not all the time of course, but at least some of the time. We put in the time and effort to mock each other here why should we just throw the tags to someone who doesn't engage at all. They could be the coolest person in the planet, or the best pilot DF has ever seen..what good is that if they're not a part of the "family".

About Question 11--it should be removed, it just causes confusion and isn't really needed. It's not fair to others in FFA. Especially when there are 4+ MOMS present. I remember when I was a noob, I dreaded being ganged up on by MOM's. What are we afraid of? Do you know how badly I want to shoot you down in a chase because you are so freakishly good?

I have upset some, that was never my intention. You guys have been great and I enjoyed your company. I'm dropping the tags on my own submission as this has gotten out of hand. Peace and respect. See you in the skies.

Is it just me or is M.O.M. following the same route as America? First we had the Age of Jackson and Industrial Revolution. Now we have Henry Clay with his compromises and the Second Great Awakening with all the reforms and movements. What's next... A Civil War???

ZandorHawke wrote: Sorry to have to do this but I'm invoking the Alexander Haig provision of Rule 6 - I am now in charge of MOM.

I haven't been around much because I've been trying to raise bail money for Dogss. With that accomplished, it looks like I've got a few things to clean up around here. It got so bad, I guess, that I was asked if I was a new member of MOM recently. New member? I'll have you know I'm like the Robert Treat Paine of MOM (extra credit for the prodigy flyer that does a 500 word essay on him and his contributions). We all can't be Jefferson's and Franklin's...we need our Paine, too!

Oh and I'm on it.

. Wigbomb wrote: I have kept myself mercifully disconnected from this thread for several days. I haven't seen any of the incendiary material referring to M.O.M's D I E S E L.

If we've "lost D I E S E L" as a result of something that was posted here, D I E S E L is not the only member we're going to lose.

New guys, take notes: you are the NEW GUYS. This does not imbue you with the power to piss off long-term members of this club who happen to have pissed you off. All running jokes about "rules" aside, M.O.M has one, and only one, rule; look to your own conscience, play your game, have fun. Dogfight has a system of discipline in place. It's called "The ModSquad". Moderators whose job it is to mete out disciplinary action when it's deemed necessary. We don't vilify, persecute or crucify players, certainly not fellow squad members, in M.O.M. Am I quite clear?

As I understand it D I E S E L wasn't recognized as a legitimate member of M.O.M. A tip: if you can't even be bothered to learn the names of your fellow squad members, take a step back, count to ten, then STFU.

I personally recruited D I E S E L. He's a decent, intelligent, funny, solid family man, a helluva a player and a valued member of M.O.M. If you have a problem with him, you have a problem with me. If you have a problem at all, with anyone in this squad, you bring it to me, you DO NOT POST IT ON THE THREAD.

One of the first players to blow me down after we implemented Rule 11 was Brian Strachan. Anyone unhappy with B? Anyone with a few weeks in M.O.M under his belt think B needs to get the boot?

Here's what's going to happen: we're going to stop airing our displeasure with other players - fellow M.O.Ms, Falcons, ANYONE - in public on this thread. We are going to bring our complaints and concerns to me. Not here, not on the blacklist thread, not anywhere on the forum. To ME. I'm a Moderator fercrissakes, use your head. I expect more from M.O.Ms so as a Mod I come down harder on M.O.Ms than on anyone else. You bring your complaints to me and if they're valid they'll be posted to the ModSquad and/or on the Blacklist thread. But first we'll determine that you have any idea what you're talking about.

While we're on the subject of "new guys": we'll be taking a break from the incessant posting of "Look how great I am!" screen caps. I don't want to see anymore of your 100+ kill boasts. I don't care. No real M.O.M does. We don't crow about our prowess. We play, we kill, we win, we see what's on TV. Chest thumping over meaningless non-accomplishments like triple digit scores is for noobs. By the way, there are a great many noobs enjoying impressive scores, too. They rack up their numbers the same way you do; with bigger, faster tablets and updated game ballistics that favor interminably long missions wherein higher scores are a natural byproduct. There is nothing special about your 120 kills. Post a clip of you beating Rickenfaker or 420 in a chase 100 times, (or even once) then perhaps I'll be impressed. Flying straight, meeting in the middle, winning an endless series of coin-toss chicken runs...bragging about this is the kind of nonsense I expect of some other squads, not of M.O.M. Adjust your posts accordingly from now on.

Questions? That's my PM address right there to the left of this text.

......and white smoke issues forth from the Vatican. Hurrah, we have a new pontiff! Jorje Mario Wiggoglio! ....Mrs Malaprop and I lay a prostate before you in honour of your omnidirection.

Oh no Noushy - you don't get to get out of here so easily!!

Thanks for the compliments. Totally not needed but thank you regardless.

We need you. We need the passion that you bring. You make some very good points and raise some issues that are fair to ask. I think that you are right about many things; right on point in that the Forum serves so many in allowing us to learn more about each other and discuss so many different aspects of our lives. Never heard of spotted dick were it not for this gang. Not to mention meeting some true heroes that have put it all on the line for others.

We're a family and if your family is anything like mine we squabble on occasion. Me and Ms. Tex have gotten into it so bad at times I wonder if I should marry her. But then I remember why I asked her to marry me and life is good again.

Personally I think it would be silly for you to leave MOM just as I think its silly for Diesel to leave. I think that what we have in common is much more important than what we don't. Real life happens and we all get involved with this forum as much or as little as we can and/or feel comfortable. Keep posting. As a MOM. I think all Wig is asking us all to do is remember who we are.

P.S. - Can you let Ms. Tex know that I'm "freakishly good"? She seems to giggle uncontrollably every time I try convincing her otherwise.

[e]Sputnik wrote:

Davy Crockett wrote: DEAR MOM's

I, being a highly professional individual, cannot in good conscience join an organization that does not have extremely high core values. This morning i devised a story that I do not like nor eat cake. I did this to give the MOM organization an opportunity to prove their core values. Well the cake hit the fan!!

I have received hate mail, death threats, cakes thrown at my door, my car was caked and even my dog was caked. I'm certainly glad my wife was out of town or she probably would have been caked also.

It pleases me to announce that MOM has passed the test as in the face of adversity you kept your core value and did not back down on the cake issue just to get me as a member. Job well done folks.

Now it pleases me to bring to you the exciting news. I AM A MASTER CAKE BAKER. I have been a professional cake baker for 4 years now. Have you not heard of the DAVY CROCKETT PROFESSIONAL CAKE BAKING COMPANY. That's right, that is me. Is that exciting news for MOM or what.

Today I baked a couple of cakes just to show you my talent. If MOM ever had a reunion or conference it would be a pleasure to bake your cakes (for a fee of course). See the pictures of my cakes. Um um um.

This guys a genius.

Blah, blah, blah. Just another masturbaker.

BAGGER,

Referring to your previous (it won't be your last) post.

Para 1: Very true.
Para 2nd: We're all still new M.O.Ms. And we're not the "CLEAVERS". Never will be.
Para Third: 11 ?. Works for me. You'll still get me, but I'll be on my meds & you'll have to work for it. And I won't care.
Para Quatro: BEAVER GO TO YOUR ROOM UNTIL YOU CAN STOP POUTING.

Then you can go out and play with your brother, WALLY.
With your M.O.M's blessings.



Love ya like a son.

PS to all of you. If you can't play nice I'll make you listen to DISCO!

Ok first... That's my brother^^^ and I am proud!

Next, I got 140 kills.... The better part of that was the 80 or deaths from Foust. I tried like hell to drop bombs Paul, I promise! It was a thank you for a game that was entirely too long and full of some the ribbing and back and forth I've had. There was some incredibly funny banter and ridicule of noobs (14 year olds, by the non-rules and principles, I'm supposed to pound on them). It wasn't chest thumping... It was wow, thanks for a great game and can you believe that misfit guy? I'll keep triple digits outta the public eye from now on, maybe.

Wig, "STFU" ? that's worse than "prolly". I'm sure it's against the non-rules too!

Diesel, is he in? There's no Fossil Fuel Farmer Squad.... Crap! Can I come back?

Noushy, I tried to be gentle with my post to let know we just have to deal with our designated "bad boys". Next time I'll just bitch-slap ya so I know I got your attention first. Now "STFU". Love ya man, u you ain't going nowhere.

Hey Coop I'm watching your brother pitch for Italy against Puerto Rico! !

^{STAR CHAMBER? PLUSH JOB?}

You have no clue. The responsibility weighs heavy on our groins.

We take this responsibility very seriously.

For example: Recently an incident occurred that was tremendously important to us. The STAR (hot gas) phone rang and from all around the world, STARS dropped what they were doing and raced to the meeting with ONE thing in mind......


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Diesel is my Boy! Good speech wig. I plan on killing you the minute I spot you in game you ritzy uptown prep. I moved to Staten Italy have fun with that one.

Hello dogss!!!.....Great to see you again!!

General jackson wrote: Hello dogss!!!.....Great to see you again!!

Hello Jackson my Nemesis. Lol and a moderator to boot. Nice to see u bud

ZandorHawke wrote: Sorry to have to do this but I'm invoking the Alexander Haig provision of Rule 6 - I am now in charge of MOM.

I haven't been around much because I've been trying to raise bail money for Dogss. With that accomplished, it looks like I've got a few things to clean up around here. It got so bad, I guess, that I was asked if I was a new member of MOM recently. New member? I'll have you know I'm like the Robert Treat Paine of MOM (extra credit for the prodigy flyer that does a 500 word essay on him and his contributions). We all can't be Jefferson's and Franklin's...we need our Paine, too!

First off, Diesel is staying. I had a long talk in person with him. Well, I'm not sure it was him but he looked like a farmer. Well, it wasn't really in person. OK, I watched an old episode of Hee-Haw. Anyway, he's staying. Plus, Diesel should know that I can turn his barn yard animals against him if he disagrees. I don't want to get specific when so many prodigy members read these posts but let's just say I have a way with barn yard animals.

Second, MOM's founding principal is that we really can't put up with rules so no one should be leaving or getting upset about breaking a rule.

I wish I had time to fly more but it sure is great to get into games with a bunch of MOMs. Had a blast last night basically trying to fend off Paul and his "Magic Time!" dive bombs at my base. Paul, it didn't go unnoticed that you did an end-of-round all the while chatting to a make believe noob on how to fly. Only then to see "Magic Time!" come across the chat and see two of my hangers on fire (of course it was the middle two so that made me laugh).

As far as the forum and this thread, it's dumbfounding. I admit I can no longer keep up with it but it's interesting to see how the new members kind of take over for a bit until newer members come along. None of it's bad or wrong but that's how we've gotten to 400+ pages. Side note, my vote for best page was 362...classic!

Anyway, the pressure of leadership is really too great. Stepping down now...retiring to the Apostolic Palace as I need to catch up on my reading. I've been too focused on this one book.

Im pulling the blackmail card. I have enough information to send the whole lot to prison. Why do you think they burnt the board of admissions and started the star chamber dogss left on the outside. Wig thought I never get out now picture it hes smoking six packs a day pounding brandy fifth after,fifth praying he can offer me something to keep the pictures to myself.

^{BOPES: GET BACK TO ME ASAP! I need your approval before release.}

Welcome back, DOGSSFIGHT best friend.

From all of your DogFight fiends.

We've missed your serious nature.

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: Welcome back, friend.

From all of your DogFight fiends.

We've missed your serious nature.

Lol thanks Paul. I like that cardinal video. Not to far from what went on in the early,days here before his highnesses wig,elevated himself above us mere mortals....with the help of a Guy that never could fly over the cuckoos nest . Bopes I mean you.

Yes you are quite right Dogssie. Things HAVE changed. Ve moved ze doghouse, have you noticed? Do you like what we've done with it? We cleaned it up a bit. No more chew toys or milk bones. All that stuff is so ... pre-incarceration... Now, if you hadn't gone and got busted for defaming Mel Gibson with that cheap Braveheart impression, things might have turned out differently, no? You and I might be sitting in a catbird seat made out of wig's hairpiece. Well ... woulda coulda shoulda. It DIDN'T turn out that way did it? That's right Dogssie, it's a brave new world here on the outside. You'll get used to it Dogssie, you'll get used to it ..

bopes wrote: Yes you are quite right Dogssie. Things HAVE changed. Ve moved ze doghouse, have you noticed? Do you like what we've done with it? We cleaned it up a bit. No more chew toys or milk bones. All that stuff is so ... pre-incarceration... Now, if you hadn't gone and got busted for defaming Mel Gibson with that cheap Braveheart impression, things might have turned out differently, no? You and I might be sitting in a catbird seat made out of wig's hairpiece. Well ... woulda coulda shoulda. It DIDN'T turn out that way did it? That's right Dogssie, it's a brave new world here on the outside. You'll get used to it Dogssie, you'll get used to it ..

You forget I have your private messages. What will wig and dent and Tex hawke magic coop stracahan think of your plans before you chickened out and went crawling back to wig. SHAME bopes SHAME!!! I'll expect my doghouse stocked by morning. And an appointment for my haircut nails cut and throw in a new btch. Lol