Mr.Becken wrote:

zuperman wrote:

Mr.Becken wrote: Lol auction it off with dogfight in game money.. Just deduct from the persons account lol..

It's not something to make fun of. Many players are on MOM and very good people. I just won't allow someone to insult me publicly or via email and then allow them to continue playing Dogfight. There are several clear lines not to cross and that's one of them. I don't care who that person is.

People come here to play and have fun, not to have to take sides and intercede for others. Enough drama.

making fun of I am not.

Becken pls leave our personal discussions...
Cos it sure feels your making fun of...

Thanks Muck

yakuza wrote:

Mr.Becken wrote:

zuperman wrote:

Mr.Becken wrote: Lol auction it off with dogfight in game money.. Just deduct from the persons account lol..

It's not something to make fun of. Many players are on MOM and very good people. I just won't allow someone to insult me publicly or via email and then allow them to continue playing Dogfight. There are several clear lines not to cross and that's one of them. I don't care who that person is.

People come here to play and have fun, not to have to take sides and intercede for others. Enough drama.

making fun of I am not.

Becken pls leave our personal discussions...
Cos it sure feels your making fun of...

Not surprised at all by his immaturity or the sticking of his nose where it didn't belong. You tend to get that way when you associate yourself mainly with the preteen crowd, I imagine.

How's it immature ? I gave a option how you could get a new leader and that's all. and sense I'm a american I express my right of freedom and if I won't to say something I will. I know your not found of me most "MOM's" arnt that doesn't bother me i didn't plan coming here after my last post but I got a Facebook msg suggesting I look I wasn't supprised the normal gossip. But thanks for bringing me up on your glorious thread.

~David Becken.

Dang i just got her too. Oh well easy come easy go. Im staying in the squad. Hope this all passes over.

TXLAWMAN wrote: Well, what shall our banners be? Nothing like busy work to get our minds off of unpleasant things. Perhaps we can go the exact opposite direction that Rick went. Maybe a guy in a wife beater with a beer belly exposed and a caligraphy M.O.M tat?

Seriously, I would like to see us stay together. Maybe we are at a point where we can drop the sub squads and go back to one tag. Not sure what the active player count is, but I am guessing we are under 50.

It is unfortunate the way this has turned out.I do sincerely wish the best to Rick.

Damn good idea Tx.So many players in sub squads don't even play anymore.I don't even know who started this sub squad I'm in.Would someone be willing to start another squad or maybe use an existing sub squad who's owner is active to carry this forward.Please nothing serious no hierarchy ,just all equal,having fun and enjoying the game(when it works )

I don't know half the things that had been happening here in the ten month I was gone.I was and still am oblivious to all the bad karma amongst those who used to be friends and squad mates.

Mr.Becken wrote: How's it immature ? I gave a option how you could get a new leader and that's all. and sense I'm a american I express my right of freedom and if I won't to say something I will. I know your not found of me most "MOM's" arnt that doesn't bother me i didn't plan coming here after my last post but I got a Facebook msg suggesting I look I wasn't supprised the normal gossip. But thanks for bringing me up on your glorious thread.

~David Becken.

I was going to say something, but I'll just content myself with a note about your atrocious spelling, you do your countries education system proud, I do not think.

Im mot very go with all the intricacies of the game. But id still like to be in MOM

Quit Bug J4ff wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: Well, what shall our banners be? Nothing like busy work to get our minds off of unpleasant things. Perhaps we can go the exact opposite direction that Rick went. Maybe a guy in a wife beater with a beer belly exposed and a caligraphy M.O.M tat?

Seriously, I would like to see us stay together. Maybe we are at a point where we can drop the sub squads and go back to one tag. Not sure what the active player count is, but I am guessing we are under 50.

It is unfortunate the way this has turned out.I do sincerely wish the best to Rick.

Damn good idea Tx.So many players in sub squads don't even play anymore.I don't even know who started this sub squad I'm in.Would someone be willing to start another squad or maybe use an existing sub squad who's owner is active to carry this forward.Please nothing serious no hierarchy ,just all equal,having fun and enjoying the game(when it works )

I don't know half the things that had been happening here in the ten month I was gone.I was and still am oblivious to all the bad karma amongst those who used to be friends and squad mates.

The squad remains as it is for the present, the only change for now is the removal of all banners bearing the winged heart logo, this has been requested by Rick himself and I believe is backed by Zuperman. The winged heart logo is an invention of Ricks and as he has requested we do not use it, we should comply. New leadership is currently being debated by I admit a select few, involving the entire squad would be cumbersome and take far too long. The sub squads, put in place for the anticipated arrival of squad wars remain in place.

Ok Muck. Thanks for doing what you can

Mr.Becken wrote: How's it immature ? I gave a option how you could get a new leader and that's all. and sense I'm a american I express my right of freedom and if I won't to say something I will. I know your not found of me most "MOM's" arnt that doesn't bother me i didn't plan coming here after my last post but I got a Facebook msg suggesting I look I wasn't supprised the normal gossip. But thanks for bringing me up on your glorious thread.

~David Becken.

God, Becken, can't you just leave them alone? MOM needs to sort itself out after today's drama; something you had something to with. I'm sure you're one of the last fellows on this forum that they want to take condescending suggestions from.

And by the way, this isn't America. This is a forum of people from all nationalities. I'm all for the freedom of expression, but I don't think our founding fathers meant "act like an ass" when they wrote the First Amendment. This is why the rest of the world thinks us Americans are so damned arrogant. Do the right thing and just leave them well enough alone.

To MOM: I wish you all good luck during this time. I'm confident you will be able to get back to things going, and if you need any help, don't hesitate to ask me or the NLR.

Very well spoken Octavia. Glad to see it

It's too bad the way this worked out, Wig was a good guy.

Rick, if you're still reading, I wish you all the best. I don't know what you've gone through, having been gone for so long, but you were rarely anything but a model member when I was here. Your temper got the best of you, and you get the same advice everyone else gets: Wait a month or two, come back, and make a new account. Most of us have plenty of respect for you, and would love to see you back.

Calvin Reeder

Really sad to see this happen to a great squad. Wig, you were one of the first players I went up against when I got to the advanced servers almost a year and a half ago. You were always friendly and helpful, (while you were shooting me full of holes!), and I will never forget those games! Thank you, this game won't be the same without you.

You MOMs are a tough bunch. You will get through this, and come back strong!

-Freimann.

Sorry I know I shouldn't be posting here but I really hope M.O.M stays as a squad u guys are like the top guns here and if one squad wants to get to the top they have to pass mom up hope the new leader works out

Flying muck wrote:

Quit Bug J4ff wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: Well, what shall our banners be? Nothing like busy work to get our minds off of unpleasant things. Perhaps we can go the exact opposite direction that Rick went. Maybe a guy in a wife beater with a beer belly exposed and a caligraphy M.O.M tat?

Seriously, I would like to see us stay together. Maybe we are at a point where we can drop the sub squads and go back to one tag. Not sure what the active player count is, but I am guessing we are under 50.

It is unfortunate the way this has turned out.I do sincerely wish the best to Rick.

Damn good idea Tx.So many players in sub squads don't even play anymore.I don't even know who started this sub squad I'm in.Would someone be willing to start another squad or maybe use an existing sub squad who's owner is active to carry this forward.Please nothing serious no hierarchy ,just all equal,having fun and enjoying the game(when it works )

I don't know half the things that had been happening here in the ten month I was gone.I was and still am oblivious to all the bad karma amongst those who used to be friends and squad mates.

The squad remains as it is for the present, the only change for now is the removal of all banners bearing the winged heart logo, this has been requested by Rick himself and I believe is backed by Zuperman. The winged heart logo is an invention of Ricks and as he has requested we do not use it, we should comply. New leadership is currently being debated by I admit a select few, involving the entire squad would be cumbersome and take far too long. The sub squads, put in place for the anticipated arrival of squad wars remain in place.

Heart logo gone.

A select few?Still behind the scenes activity going on which involves all the members but won't involve those members?
I think zup will pull the plug on the whole squad with folk pulling strings behind closed doors.

No problem posting here, it's just the gloaters and sarcastics we don't want or need right now.
Post like the last three are what we need right now. Thanks guys. And thank you Octavia.

No strings are being pulled behind any doors and yes the debate is down to a few, for simple logistics, J4ff if you want the job, come right out and say it.

Not a chance.too big a job for me that's why I asked if anyone wants to start a squad or continue one.
Just would be nice to know who's deciding everyone elses fate.

Ok, that's understandable, just felt you were undermining things a little, for that I apologise.
So it would appear that for the time being at least......I am your new squad leader.....how that happened I do not know, so don't ask me.
I just hope I don't make a mess of it.
Now I've gotta get it all made legal sort of, just don't all come running for new banners yet!

MOM lives another day!,

I would appreciate all offers of advice and help and please all of you delete any banners with the winged heart, myself I love that logo, would like to see it stay, but out of respect for Rick, we should comply with his request.

J4ff, although I don't play much right now Apocalypse is the subdivision I take care of. I read the forum daily so if there is any questions just send me a PM.
It's easy to see if you have forgotten who has the "power" in a squad.
Look up the squad ingame. The person that is MORAF in the squad is the one.
A squad M.O.R.A.F is not to be confused with level 31 M.O.R.A.F.

Test.... Yep she's gone......

Muck I don't play much but look through here at least daily. Let me know if I can help. If I can do it I will.

I can help spread the news of who is now in charge of M.O.M to all the members I see in game cause I saw 2 today who didn't have a clue on what happened so I told them check the forum but again if u need help spreading word or anything else just ask I'll be glad to help M.O.M

Flying muck wrote: The squad remains as it is for the present, the only change for now is the removal of all banners bearing the winged heart logo, this has been requested by Rick himself and I believe is backed by Zuperman.

erm... I'm not backing anything... I wouldn't be involved if it wasn't for the insulting emails and all the drama due to a silly logo.

For the last 18 to 20 months this game and forum has been very nearly my sole means of entertainment and release, as such, I am deeply saddened by what I have read here in the last few minutes. Ya’ll may not see me post or play often between running a restaurant, janitorial service, RV park and manufacturing business, but, between all that and the 200 miles a day to do it I ALWAYS make the time for a quick game and skim through the forum at least 5 times a week. So, while I may not be very ‘visible’ as my screen name suggests I am always lurking in the shadows, shooting reds, reading posts, and sharing in your, my MOM brethren, triumphs and tragedies. It may seem odd since you don’t see me much, due to my shyness with social media and alike (something you would find strange if you knew me in person) but I assure you I am a big part of this squad, community and special little game, and my heart is breaking over this most recent drama.

That being said:


Zuperman,

Few understand as well as I do how tired and stressed out you must be over this game and your many other projects. You have created something very special here that means so much to so many, myself included. I have been a part of this community for almost 2 years and I have had a blast and met so many wonderful people in the process. Before I found this game I paid for a flight simulator on my very first Smartphone and enjoyed it quite a bit, it had pretty damn good graphics {even better now} and a function to design, publish and browse your own scenarios. I remember while browsing scenarios and playing my new obsession thinking to myself “it sure would be nice if there was a ranking system and a way to communicate with other players”. A few weeks later I found Dogfight and due to being out of commission at the time played 12 to 15 hours a day for the first couple of weeks (before returning to work). I couldn’t get enough! When my arms were too tired to play I read the forum, every post from the beginning forward that even remotely caught my eye, when my eyes were too tired to read, I played some more. This game you have given us has been an escape, a hobby, and a passion for me; it is the highlight of my day, most workdays at least. Thank you doesn’t begin to cover my gratitude of all your hard work, passion and dedication for making this game and community a constructive outlet on so many levels for myself and so many others.

I tell this little story to illustrate the effect your hard work and passion has had on me, because so many of the long time players here have been frustrated with you and the game as of late. It seems to me that their frustration (mine included) may have come off as ungratefulness and in the process caused you to become increasingly frustrated and therefore seem angry and indifferent to many of us. I realize that it must be incredibly dishearting to try to balance the needs and wants of all the veteran players with the need to grow and improve your business and expand your platform with so little thanks and appreciation. However, I fear that the dishearting and frustration you must feel as eroded that passion you had that started this little game. Please find that passion you had early on that made this game so great and so simple. Please remember that even though both you the developer and we the players may be frustrated with the lag, the drama, the mods, and so on that at the end of the day we DO appreciate you!!!!!


Wig,

When I first came into this game and figured out the squads and chat and forum and so on I researched but one squad. MOM. I did so because all the MOM players ruthlessly and unceremoniously whooped my ass all over the field. Imagine my surprise when I read ‘page 1’ and realized that this group of “old clowns” was right up my alley (having always believed I was born 50 years to late) I immediately started asking every MOM I saw for an invite, this went on for about 5 weeks with varied response until you (along with firefox) invited me to join. Right away, I enlisted the services of the crafty Mrs. Ghostrider for my regulation application for MOMhood and was not so promptly admitted to the MOMrodome. Shortly after I received my banner and It has been such a joy to fly the banner of MOM ever since.

I tell you this for the same reason I told zup my little story, to remind you of all the passion that has made this squad what it is and to show my appreciation for your hard work and dedication that has brought it to what it has become. I hope that you too can see past the frustration of late and remember the passion that has made us all such a family, MOM and non MOM alike. I hope you know how much I and the rest of MOM value and appreciate your contribution to this game and squad. You will ALWAYS have my loyalty, and my mom banner will always fly weather zup takes it or not, I don’t care how many squads and profiles I have to create. I hope to see you in the skies and on the forum again, weather its rick, wig, or a pseudonym I look forward to flying with you again my friend. Given my extreme allergy to change I fear that MOM will NEVER be the same without you.

MOM, and SC

Like wig, and zuperman you have my undying loyalty and support in these rough times. Despite my allergy to change I will be on the MOM bandwagon as long as there is one and beyond that. If there is anything I can do from just being a good soldier to a leadership role and anything and everything in between, I AM HERE email or PM any time, let’s not let this die.

Everyone else,

In closing it seems to me that weather or not copyrights were infringed or not, weather permission should have been asked or not, lag, no lag, profit, no profit, democrat, republican, MOM, Misfit of faux squad we each need to stop bitching and remember why we are here in the first place, the joy we all experienced when we first stumbled onto this little game. It seems to me that if we can all do that every so often we won’t lose so many friends, so many features, or our developer. If from time to time players, leaders, admins, and developers alike can cut the shit and see past frustration and drama to the joy and passion that keeps us coming back, and then dogfight can be restored to its former glory. I beg everyone to hear my words and take them to heart, or we will have a game that has gone straight to the shithouse, if we have a game at all, then what will we do? Please don’t give up on us, don’t give up on MOM, the forum or dogfight.


With that I will try to make my peace with this most upsetting news and just go shoot some reds, before I do I will post my banners one last time for old time sake


Thanks for listening,
GHOSTRIDER1
Brad Robb
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Cake.........anyone?

......but in times of crisis a lot becomes clear.








Just kidding B.man......... Nice rims!

Rick, all the best.

When we meet in the 'other game' at least give me a chance to make a screen shot of you to post here before you blow my tincan up.

MOM is not taking any new recruits for a time, so please don't give out any invites.
Thanks all.

Hey MOMs, sorry your squad had to become the center of the DF world's scrutiny. You're a strong group and will probably come through in a better position than when you entered. If you guys need any help with banners let me know. I'd be glad to help.