To Everyone

It just hit me a few minutes after replying to McFate's post why some of you may never understand why I am against cheap play.

I simply do not care about my stats, my rank, or whether I win or lose a game.

Don't get me wrong though. When I am in a game I will play hard and should it end with good stats or a win, great. If not, it's no big deal.

I would rather take a good, clean played game over stats or win anytime.

To me playing this game is about having fun. I have always enjoyed playing video games and will probably be one of these 80 year old guys whooping up some youngsters.

It's not in me to ruin the fun for anyone else and that is why I do not use cheap tactics.
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D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: To Everyone

It just hit me a few minutes after replying to McFate's post why some of you may never understand why I am against cheap play.

I simply do not care about my stats, my rank, or whether I win or lose a game
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Nah, I don't buy it. You definitely haven't read many of my posts about tactical dropping. You definitely won't be interested in fighting the [NLR] or the £s in a squad war situation. I just hope that were still going to be allowed to play!

Part of the "dishonorable","disrespectful","pathetic" strategy of tactical dropping is not just going for kills. It is far more useful to draw off and distract defenders than it is to shoot them and send them to respawn at the best place from which to defend against incoming bombers. I know for certain that I could get a better kdr in many situations where I play tactically. Does that make any sense? It does to me.

I'm guessing you're not into games like chess. There really is a powerful draw to play with wits and planning, not for everyone, but for many. The historical and legendary game of chess has been popular for centuries. The strategic game of " Go " is very popular in many Asian countries, Japan has a state recognized minister of GO. People can actually get scholarships over some strategy games. You don't think that's all just cheap tactics do you?

But there ARE no tactics at all if no one dares to come near the border of "cheap tactics" and the danger of someone crossing that line.
What's the fun if you can be sure of everyones playing style being "fair"?


Ok......no doubt this has been said before here, but I really can't read all those monoloques.
If I would be into that, I'd finish reading that book I started in, "Secrets of Seduction - How to be the best lover your woman ever had." By Brenda Venus

It starts off with the advice never to monoloque to a girl. It makes us men só boring. But hey.....it's just us guys here, right?!
And wé just loooooove this stuff.

(Oh, and...in case you're wondering: Yes. My wife told me to read it. )

Rudolf Rednose wrote: What's the fun if you can be sure of everyones playing style being "fair"?

Exactly. I said it before, in other threads: if not for the sneakers, droppers, campers and spawnkillers, this game would be BORING to a point that I am quite sure I would not be playing it for years like I do.

I not only think that these tactics are VALID, and NOT-CHEAP, but I ENCOURAGE people to use them!!!!

And last night I said that I would post something nice - but its not this post. I am elaborating it a bit more, see you later. Im at work. Good day to all!

Squad war is different than just having a regular game ..and I understand gunzz because I know his play of game..there is no reason to argue on his state of opinion play how u play and that's all u can do..Ty.... Mean Fokker..p.s and everyone knows when you drop its not used to draw off enemy away from base cause I'm not stupid to chase them

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[NLR] McFate wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: To Everyone

It just hit me a few minutes after replying to McFate's post why some of you may never understand why I am against cheap play.

I simply do not care about my stats, my rank, or whether I win or lose a game
.

Nah, I don't buy it. You definitely haven't read many of my posts about tactical dropping. You definitely won't be interested in fighting the [NLR] or the £s in a squad war situation. I just hope that were still going to be allowed to play!

Part of the "dishonorable","disrespectful","pathetic" strategy of tactical dropping is not just going for kills. It is far more useful to draw off and distract defenders than it is to shoot them and send them to respawn at the best place from which to defend against incoming bombers. I know for certain that I could get a better kdr in many situations where I play tactically. Does that make any sense? It does to me.

I'm guessing you're not into games like chess. There really is a powerful draw to play with wits and planning, not for everyone, but for many. The historical and legendary game of chess has been popular for centuries. The strategic game of " Go " is very popular in many Asian countries, Japan has a state recognized minister of GO. People can actually get scholarships over some strategy games. You don't think that's all just cheap tactics do you?

Tank glitch users are cheap that's all I think are cheap tactics

[LB] Pedrinho wrote:

Rudolf Rednose wrote: What's the fun if you can be sure of everyones playing style being "fair"?

Exactly. I said it before, in other threads: if not for the sneakers, droppers, campers and spawnkillers, this game would be BORING to a point that I am quite sure I would not be playing it for years like I do.

I not only think that these tactics are VALID, and NOT-CHEAP, but I ENCOURAGE people to use them!!!!

And last night I said that I would post something nice - but its not this post. I am elaborating it a bit more, see you later. Im at work. Good day to all!

Thanks Brother Gunzz I will toast that drink to the both of us and always be there for you my friend . I see the respect you and I are given in combat and I see the lack of respect others are given . They choose this course in life and I know many of their squad want to say something but choose to remain silent . Mc Fate well his actions speak louder than his words . Ped .... Well same same . I feel nothing but pity for their sorrowfull lives as they seem to have only this void to fill the gaps . I will sit by my pool in my tropical paradise and ponder the life that these unfortunate individuals have chosen as my gf brings me another beer and I have time to reflect upon the stupidity of some of the people that think their answers to a very precise thread have any bearing on my ability to shoot the crap out of their ass if they actually choose to fight on the same level as me .....ie carry your bomb ....fly head on.... People such as mc Fat , pud etc havnt yet mastered this art ... Peace be with you all

Okay, CC,

Let's hear your thoughts on why there is no room in your version of the game for tactical play that includes dropping and team strategy.

The fact that some knuckleheads try to take advantage is not the same issue. Don't try to lump it all together here. Is it just a matter of taste or do you have some definitive logic that supports your opinion? If it's just taste it has as much substance as the Ford vs Chevy debate. Are you a Ford guy that wants to ban all Chevys or are you deeper than that? (I suspect we'll hear all about car and motorcycle manufacturers now....)

You have no idea what I'm up to in life right now. Lol. The fact that I have insomnia and spend a lot of time trading off driving on the road lately make the forum easy access for me. Judge all you want, if you like that sort of thing. Manners aren't any more compulsory on the forum as they are in game.

You guys should call your thread "WWYB?, Who Would You Ban?)

[*M] CC RIDER wrote: Thanks Brother Gunzz I will toast that drink to the both of us and always be there for you my friend . I see the respect you and I are given in combat and I see the lack of respect others are given . They choose this course in life and I know many of their squad want to say something but choose to remain silent . Mc Fate well his actions speak louder than his words . Ped .... Well same same . I feel nothing but pity for their sorrowfull lives as they seem to have only this void to fill the gaps . I will sit by my pool in my tropical paradise and ponder the life that these unfortunate individuals have chosen as my gf brings me another beer and I have time to reflect upon the stupidity of some of the people that think their answers to a very precise thread have any bearing on my ability to shoot the crap out of their ass if they actually choose to fight on the same level as me .....ie carry your bomb ....fly head on.... People such as mc Fat , pud etc havnt yet mastered this art ... Peace be with you all

I laughed for about 3 minutes after reading that! I can imagine the "mine-is-bigger" kind of bully you are, man. Poor soul...

MEAN FOKKER wrote: Tank glitch users are cheap that's all I think are cheap tactics

Agreed. But that is an unanimity, I believe. Completely unfair, since not everybody can do it (at least I cant do it, I am always thrown back to my base after chuting). Although its not THAT problem, its just a matter of killing the tank. But yup, its not only CHEAP, but CHEATING.

Anybody know what lap we're on here?

[*M]Comet wrote: Anybody know what lap we're on here?

Lap 5, the Mustang and the Camaro are neck and neck!

They're chucking empty Budwiser and Millers at each other calling each other low class.

[NLR] McFate wrote: Your question is a little odd. I guess....recently?

Okay, so you have the perspective that "cheap tactics" have no place in the game? Would you "allow" those of us who consider it a great fight to have our own servers? I can't imagine that you are so hard core about your convictions that you believe there should be no place for us "dishonorable", "disrespectful","pathetic", people (who must be so in real life because that's how we play the game).


What do you call these different servers?

Yours is "competitive with fair play"

What is "ours"? That is, if it's allowed at all...

McFate

My question was not odd at all. When I know that someone used one of the mentioned cheap plays to accomplish what they set out to do, I do not congratulate. Sometimes unknowingly I do. Example being that if I am at my base then see that my teammate just bombed the enemy hanger on the screen, I credit their play. Then I see the dreaded message from the enemy "tank glitch" and one after another the hangers light up on the screen. I will send a message to let it be known of my disapproval. Who really cares about what I think? Doesn't phase me, but it's not what I am about.

Some of what you say McFate are really wise words. Having dedicated servers for different play may just be the greatest idea for DF2. I would be all for it having a server where everything goes (with the exception of the tank glitch since a game can be ended in a matter of seconds-I think many can agree with that). In fact you would catch me playing in that server quite often.

The point that I am making is that mixing up all types of play, what I consider to be fair and not fair, really do not belong together. That is really not hard for anyone to understand. Of course one will get better results in a game when they choose to use these so called cheap tactics against a player that doesn't. That is why they choose do do so. They know it and we all know it too. Hence the big conflict that apparently has been going on for so long.

In speedskating you hear a bell for the final round. Still can't decide which one to cheer for, so I cheer for you all.

Guys.......why do I get the feeling this is totally out of caracter for you.
Let's not get carried away here. I guess this is exactly why this game never had any written rules, exept for tank-spawnkilling and letting people at least take off.

Sticking to your guns might be seen as a typical American virtue, but being in here together for this long, we should see eachother as "Brothers in Arms" by now.



And as the lyrics say: "we're fools to make war on our brothers in arms."

[NLR] McFate wrote:

[*M]Comet wrote: Anybody know what lap we're on here?

Lap 5, the Mustang and the Camaro are neck and neck!

They're chucking empty Budwiser and Millers at each other calling each other low class.

As long as they're chucking empty cans at each other and not bottles...

Maybe Zup can run behind and collect the empties and cash em in... Put more money into Dogfight...

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: ....
The point that I am making is that mixing up all types of play, what I consider to be fair and not fair, really do not belong together. That is really not hard for anyone to understand. Of course one will get better results in a game when they choose to use these so called cheap tactics against a player that doesn't. That is why they choose do do so. They know it and we all know it too. Hence the big conflict that apparently has been going on for so long.

Well, you stated the crux of the matter right there but then went on to say that Fords are better than Chevys again. The fact is (actual fact. Not opinion) is that everyone plays the same servers and you are supporting making a fuss over how others play instead of just honing your skills and countering. If you can't stand the way someone else plays you are willing to bitch at them. Sorry, cheap on there...You are willing to give them some choice words. It may be ritious indignation in your book but not everyone reads the same book.

Please, do the community a favor and keep it to yourself. I advocate playing however you want. I started posting this kind of stuff to help give advice to players who's games were being "ruined". Things like advice on using brakes to guard against spawn killers, how to patrol for and watch for sneaks...you know, helpful advice? I was honestly surprised to find that there are those who don't want to expand the tactical capabilities of the game. It seems like having a high performance car and never taking it to the track to see what it can do.

Just my opinion. But it's just as valid as yours. The difference is I'm not going to bitch at you for the way you play, just for trying to tell others how to.

Btw, I do congratulate when the reds pull off a good plan or when they just ram through head first. Both are wins done by people who love the same game that I do.

[NLR] McFate wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: To Everyone

It just hit me a few minutes after replying to McFate's post why some of you may never understand why I am against cheap play.

I simply do not care about my stats, my rank, or whether I win or lose a game
.

Nah, I don't buy it. You definitely haven't read many of my posts about tactical dropping. You definitely won't be interested in fighting the [NLR] or the £s in a squad war situation. I just hope that were still going to be allowed to play!

Part of the "dishonorable","disrespectful","pathetic" strategy of tactical dropping is not just going for kills. It is far more useful to draw off and distract defenders than it is to shoot them and send them to respawn at the best place from which to defend against incoming bombers. I know for certain that I could get a better kdr in many situations where I play tactically. Does that make any sense? It does to me.

I'm guessing you're not into games like chess. There really is a powerful draw to play with wits and planning, not for everyone, but for many. The historical and legendary game of chess has been popular for centuries. The strategic game of " Go " is very popular in many Asian countries, Japan has a state recognized minister of GO. People can actually get scholarships over some strategy games. You don't think that's all just cheap tactics do you?

McFate

What is there not to buy? I simply don't care, maybe in the smallest amount I do, what my numbers say. You don't have to buy it my words are free of charge.

I sure will congratulate a player with good numbers and even be happy with my performance if the numbers reflect it if it's done fairly. It's worthy of the recognition. Now if someone was ranked #1 in DF, and I don't mean you Davy, I am just using this as an example, and is known to be what I consider to be a cheap player he/she will not get the recognition from me.

I have read everything that you have mentioned throughout this thread. In fact I am having a hard time believing that you understand what I have been saying all along. That is......

This is my opinion and no one has to agree with me.

Some of you have seemed to turn that around on me and make it look that it is only my way or the highway. If it was up to me I would be open to many ideas, just as I have been throughout this thread, to resolve any issues that may arise. Like your idea for multiple servers dedicate to different game play.

I know that I am not the decision maker in this game. It's so funny though how that was throw on me. Multiple times I have stated that if I was then I would make some changes here. And no I wouldn't do it without hearing other points of view.

That is why I created this thread. I voiced my opinion about what I believe in and welcomed all to join in. I am very happy you did speak your mind as did the others, except where some conversations got out of hand.

As for chess, other than playing a game here and there I never did get into it. I was always too busy chasing girls.
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Nobody has answered my question and I wanted answers.

Look at the bikini bottom, see the palm tree.

Does it have coconuts or did the tree drop them. Was it ok for the coconut tree to drop its coconuts. Should the coconut tree be labeled as a dropper.

Do I have to much time on my hands.

Davy,Davy,Davy...

Whether or not you want to see coconuts is a matter of taste but what you do in private is not of concern to me.

[*M] CC RIDER wrote: Thanks Brother Gunzz I will toast that drink to the both of us and always be there for you my friend . I see the respect you and I are given in combat and I see the lack of respect others are given . They choose this course in life and I know many of their squad want to say something but choose to remain silent . Mc Fate well his actions speak louder than his words . Ped .... Well same same . I feel nothing but pity for their sorrowfull lives as they seem to have only this void to fill the gaps . I will sit by my pool in my tropical paradise and ponder the life that these unfortunate individuals have chosen as my gf brings me another beer and I have time to reflect upon the stupidity of some of the people that think their answers to a very precise thread have any bearing on my ability to shoot the crap out of their ass if they actually choose to fight on the same level as me .....ie carry your bomb ....fly head on.... People such as mc Fat , pud etc havnt yet mastered this art ... Peace be with you all

CC

Now you are being down right cruel. What I mean is I am sitting here trying to respectfully answer to all these posts while you are soaking in some rays poolside with your woman bringing you a cold one. Man you got it made. Good for you bro.

Gunzzz

It don't bother me in btb missions tank can be killed but in btc that's pretty much bs..

[LB] Pedrinho wrote:

MEAN FOKKER wrote: Tank glitch users are cheap that's all I think are cheap tactics

Agreed. But that is an unanimity, I believe. Completely unfair, since not everybody can do it (at least I cant do it, I am always thrown back to my base after chuting). Although its not THAT problem, its just a matter of killing the tank. But yup, its not only CHEAP, but CHEATING.

[NLR] McFate wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: ....
The point that I am making is that mixing up all types of play, what I consider to be fair and not fair, really do not belong together. That is really not hard for anyone to understand. Of course one will get better results in a game when they choose to use these so called cheap tactics against a player that doesn't. That is why they choose do do so. They know it and we all know it too. Hence the big conflict that apparently has been going on for so long.

Well, you stated the crux of the matter right there but then went on to say that Fords are better than Chevys again. The fact is (actual fact. Not opinion) is that everyone plays the same servers and you are supporting making a fuss over how others play instead of just honing your skills and countering. If you can't stand the way someone else plays you are willing to bitch at them. Sorry, cheap on there...You are willing to give them some choice words. It may be ritious indignation in your book but not everyone reads the same book.

Please, do the community a favor and keep it to yourself. I advocate playing however you want. I started posting this kind of stuff to help give advice to players who's games were being "ruined". Things like advice on using brakes to guard against spawn killers, how to patrol for and watch for sneaks...you know, helpful advice? I was honestly surprised to find that there are those who don't want to expand the tactical capabilities of the game. It seems like having a high performance car and never taking it to the track to see what it can do.

Just my opinion. But it's just as valid as yours. The difference is I'm not going to bitch at you for the way you play, just for trying to tell others how to.

Btw, I do congratulate when the reds pull off a good plan or when they just ram through head first. Both are wins done by people who love the same game that I do.

McFate

Throughout this entire post I have not directed any insults directly at you. I never did catergorize you as a cheap player, you did that yourself. And if I did, at this point I don't give a hoot.

Now you too have crossed the line. I respected your opinions enough to even say that you are wise. Well it's unfortunate that you being wise is also not in the good way.

CC is completely right about you. I was respectful enough not to say it myself until now.

I respected the opinions of all. I may not have agreed with them, but I went out of the way to try and answer them all. You just have to keep coming back over and over again.

I have done the community a favor. If it wasn't for cheap players they wouldn't need to know how to defend against them. Hence ban them all.

One shouldn't have to put out a fire if another didn't start it in the first place. So I guess you can call me the fireman.

I think it's time you do the community a favor and get off this thread. If you got so much to say go create your own and talk about how great it is to be a cheap player there all you want.

You have stated your points here and I still will give you credit for making some good ones. We obviously disagree on some things and that is ok.

Many have visited and said their peace and that was that. Seems like you are having some difficulty doing the same. Ooohhh maybe I should write a "rule book" on how to do that too since you need a set of rules to do things the right way.
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flash2 [BB] wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote:
So what are these cheap tactics? Here you go....
- team killing
- tank glitch of any kind
- camping and spawn killing (YES...it's the same thing...with the exception that you are being fired upon and have no choice but to defend yourself)
- using tank to spawn kill (you really are the cheapest player-automatic ban I say)
- dropping in a bombing game (you drop, I drop, then we all drop-now it's a dog fight game...and yes there is a time to drop that is ok such as reds are knocking at the door ready to bomb and you are trying hard as heck to protect your hangers or in such cases)
- any and all cheap play that is...we know what they are...do I really have to list them all

I have played dogfight for over a year now, and hopefully you guys have realized that I try to be a respectful player to you all. I feel like team killing and taking advantage of tank glitches are unfair play because they are enforced by the game (banning) or not originally designed as part of the game (glitches). However, I personally feel as though practices such as camping, spawn killing, using a tank to spawn kill, or dropping in a bombing game are not necessarily cheap play. If you are part of a squadron that has rules against such practices, then that is one thing, but I believe that independent players should have the freedom to discern when to use these practices and when not to. In real life during a dogfight in a real war, if the enemy was overrun, they were overrun, camped upon, killed if they continued fighting, or taken as POWs if they didn't. Bombs should be retained if possible, because the game cannot be won without them, but as for droppers, they are actually easier to shoot down because of the instability of a plane that has dropped a bomb. If the player is a newbie, or there is only one or two players, then the opposing team should be gracious toward them, however, and perhaps relent as far as camping and spawn killing are concerned.

Just something to think about, and I am willing to change my position if you all have more convincing arguments. I try to be a fair player, and yes, I have been a victim to tank glitches and team killing. I hope you all have a good evening.

Halo Gunzzzzzzzz!

I believe "flash 2" comments were not address I would like to hear your opinion on them.

Six pages of this shit and you figure you've done the community a favor? How do you figure that?

Nothing's changed, you've only expressed an opinion over and over again. McFate has his, you have yours. Just because you made the thread doesn't mean you can tell anyone to not post. Get off here if you don't like it, according to you. Almost seems like get outta my yard syndrome when your buddy doesn't build the Lego skyscraper the way you want.

This is a case the of old guard vs the new guard. This is about somebody thinking everyone should play the same way. To hell with different cultures, backgrounds, language barriers and operating platforms. Some things are cheap in your eyes, great! Thanks for letting us know! Not everyone agrees with you, which is ok as you say! We all deal with it!

Wow, what an absolute waste! The only thing that has changed for me is this: D93 Big Gunzzz has an opinion of how the game should be played. God forbid you don't agree, he'll make a list!

And furthermore; you made a comment about how 20 pilots wore your name for a few days when you made MORAF... I saw you on world chat trying to talk players into doing it! That's not people respecting you; that's you being big headed and conceited! Pretty cheesy! Did you have a parade too?

This thread is big headed and conceited. I think I told you awhile back to quit pushing crap down everyone's throat when you decided to call out one of the greatest players in the game for something you didn't like.

I like how you play. I agree with a lot of what you say. But you're not the godammed saviour of dogfight here! So just play the thing! Make a list! Don't make a list! Fly upside down! Get everyone to call themselves D93 big Gunzzz! I don't care what you do!

Thats it for me. I've had quite enough garbage for one day! Thanks for doing us a favor!

I'm out Gunzz.

If you want to duck out on the strawman fallacy instead of responding to my last post in a reasoned way, that's the end of reason. Do what you want.


(Sorry if it was my use of the word "bitch" as a verb that got to you. It really was over the top.)

Acegirl wrote:

flash2 [BB] wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote:
So what are these cheap tactics? Here you go....
- team killing
- tank glitch of any kind
- camping and spawn killing (YES...it's the same thing...with the exception that you are being fired upon and have no choice but to defend yourself)
- using tank to spawn kill (you really are the cheapest player-automatic ban I say)
- dropping in a bombing game (you drop, I drop, then we all drop-now it's a dog fight game...and yes there is a time to drop that is ok such as reds are knocking at the door ready to bomb and you are trying hard as heck to protect your hangers or in such cases)
- any and all cheap play that is...we know what they are...do I really have to list them all

I have played dogfight for over a year now, and hopefully you guys have realized that I try to be a respectful player to you all. I feel like team killing and taking advantage of tank glitches are unfair play because they are enforced by the game (banning) or not originally designed as part of the game (glitches). However, I personally feel as though practices such as camping, spawn killing, using a tank to spawn kill, or dropping in a bombing game are not necessarily cheap play. If you are part of a squadron that has rules against such practices, then that is one thing, but I believe that independent players should have the freedom to discern when to use these practices and when not to. In real life during a dogfight in a real war, if the enemy was overrun, they were overrun, camped upon, killed if they continued fighting, or taken as POWs if they didn't. Bombs should be retained if possible, because the game cannot be won without them, but as for droppers, they are actually easier to shoot down because of the instability of a plane that has dropped a bomb. If the player is a newbie, or there is only one or two players, then the opposing team should be gracious toward them, however, and perhaps relent as far as camping and spawn killing are concerned.

Just something to think about, and I am willing to change my position if you all have more convincing arguments. I try to be a fair player, and yes, I have been a victim to tank glitches and team killing. I hope you all have a good evening.

Halo Gunzzzzzzzz!

I believe flash 2 comments were not address I would like to hear your opinion on them.

Flash2

I apoligize for not responding to your post. I kind of got caught up in too much trash talk along the way. Thank you Acegirl for pointing this out to me.

I can't say that your name rings a bell with me, but in the future I am sure it will, so I can't say anything about your game play other than what you are stating here. You make a lot of valid points. I think that most would agree about the team killing and glitches as you point out.

All of the others that you mention to be fair I for one disagree. You ask for some valid points and I will give you my point of view. For one they are way to easy to do once you get the hang of it. Anything that impedes a player from being able to actually play the game to me is cheap play. So any form of pinning one falls into this category. Camping and dropping are a little different as they don't pin anyone to the ground but there simply is no need to do either or. There are the exceptions to what I am stating here such as when completing a bomb run.

A lot of the decision making when to use certain tactics or not are common sense. I see that you seem to get that as you mention to give some restraint to the newbies or when out numbered.

I am not in a squad for many reasons. I can however tell you from experience that these cheap players are so cheap that they do not even follow some of their own set of standards or rules should you call it. They have mottos and saying, but will look the other way when one of their own go against what they claim to stand for. Now don't get me wrong. I am not saying all players just a select few. Unfortunately more than what I would have expected. As an independant player one makes their own choices. Should that really give them the right to not play fairly? I would hope not.

Even more shockingly is that some of these guys are ranked as top players and often voted and win "honor" awards. Sorry but I do see something wrong with that.

Dropping is definitely the most debateable topic of all. They are many times that I would consider doing so fair play, but many simply do it for the wrong reasons. Wrong to me that is. I don't beleive in getting the win or kill any way possible. I have to disagree with your comment about a dropper being easier to kill. Yes they are in a head to head because of what you mention about stability, but most who drop will never face you that way. They drop to get around a player holding their bombs which then becomes an easy kill....cheap play.

Valid point about dropping...when experienced players are in a game they can tell when a person has dropped. Then that person drops. Then everyone drops. Now this bombing game has become a dogfight game and no one is bombing the hangers. This doesn't happen all the time because most of the inexperienced players will not drop their bombs to keep up and even if they did, most would still have no chance against these top players in their top planes.

Almost all the time dropping is done by players to take advantage of the situation. It doesn't belong in a bombing game. That is what the mission games are for and the dogfight game. Drop your bombs and have fun there. Don't bring it into a bombing game.

[*M] MISFIT CROCKETT wrote: Nobody has answered my question and I wanted answers.

Look at the bikini bottom, see the palm tree.

Does it have coconuts or did the tree drop them. Was it ok for the coconut tree to drop its coconuts. Should the coconut tree be labeled as a dropper.

Do I have to much time on my hands.

[*M]Comet wrote: Six pages of this shit and you figure you've done the community a favor? How do you figure that?

Nothing's changed, you've only expressed an opinion over and over again. McFate has his, you have yours. Just because you made the thread doesn't mean you can tell anyone to not post. Get off here if you don't like it, according to you. Almost seems like get outta my yard syndrome when your buddy doesn't build the Lego skyscraper the way you want.

This is a case the of old guard vs the new guard. This is about somebody thinking everyone should play the same way. To hell with different cultures, backgrounds, language barriers and operating platforms. Some things are cheap in your eyes, great! Thanks for letting us know! Not everyone agrees with you, which is ok as you say! We all deal with it!

Wow, what an absolute waste! The only thing that has changed for me is this: D93 Big Gunzzz has an opinion of how the game should be played. God forbid you don't agree, he'll make a list!

And furthermore; you made a comment about how 20 pilots wore your name for a few days when you made MORAF... I saw you on world chat trying to talk players into doing it! That's not people respecting you; that's you being big headed and conceited! Pretty cheesy! Did you have a parade too?

This thread is big headed and conceited. I think I told you awhile back to quit pushing crap down everyone's throat when you decided to call out one of the greatest players in the game for something you didn't like.

I like how you play. I agree with a lot of what you say. But you're not the godammed saviour of dogfight here! So just play the thing! Make a list! Don't make a list! Fly upside down! Get everyone to call themselves D93 big Gunzzz! I don't care what you do!

Thats it for me. I've had quite enough garbage for one day! Thanks for doing us a favor!

AMEN!

Hulk still no read, just check back for pictures. Sorry Hulk still not so smart.