Hey guys and girls I'm so tired of the droppers getting all the attention so I've started one for the people that want to go head to head in the homing missions. With their bombs I've been is some of my best games ever when its head to head two or three hour games all.we.ask being head to head players is why when that is the way we want to fly together is why dose someone come in and say to us you need a fighter when we neither asked for or want fighter cover can we have a say on the type of game that we would like to play. Please all of you rember then should game and like many that fly without a bomb say we can fly the way we want. Well I enjoy head to head games and I would like the opinion of flying the way I want in a game with other pilots that want to fly that way is that so much to ask

Finally!!!!!! a thread worth looking at haha
I agree mad rabbit, some of the best games have been fough when theres all head on players there.
in my opion anyone can run from a bullet but its those who really know how to shoot that desurve some credit.
thank you mad for posting this!!!!!!!

Good thread, I love head to head. I think it takes a very steady hand and skill to get really good and consistent, especially when fighting lag and other issues. All of your top flyers are all good at head to head.

Bottom line is this, there are many many players here that are so good that you either line up, aim, fire and hit them immediately or you will be shot yourself. I think that's talent.

That's it Davy I satrted in open.servers you wig ghost MC and a host of so many other pilots all taught me and so many others. I absolutely love those long slug it out give and take type of game where the only you need to drop is on those few occasions te shoot a sneak or your put numbered. And I don't think I ever heard anyone ever say we need fighter's in the games we used to have all I asking is the courtesy to be able to fly my head to head games again without someone telling me that I want to be covered by a fighter or that we need them in a game. Don't we have a say on how we get to fly

I will fly head to head with anyone any day. I am a straight line jouster all day long.lol if I can see u I WILL drop u ....if u don't drop me first that is. Wanna fly head to head with me we can set it up...would be great fun

I must say a few things on this topic.
First...it takes skill and courage to fly into the bullets rather than away or around them.
Second...my best games came from head to head, carrying a bomb.
Third...the most fun ive had (and the highest number of kills) came from a head to head game where no one said"you need fighter cover" and no one decided to sneak unfairly(we had sneakers...but only one or two on evenly matched teams).

Good thread. I enjoy a good head to head game and have had some pretty intense games. It does require my full attention and I'm still trying to improve that skill.

IVE FOUND MY HOME.... All kidding aside, I like to dogfight, in a DogFight. Or if someone gets past me. If I'm in a bombing mission, DUH, I want to bomb.

If I don't get to bomb, then I can't say BOOM

I'm a head-on man through and through. I lose turning fights to wing commanders in Red Baron planes, but I can take on any pilot but Davy in a head-to-head battle. I love it and that's my jam. That's how I fell in love with this game, and that's how I'll continue to play.

Thanks guys. Lets keep this thread going all I ask is we can have our head to head games without fighter cover I want to use the skills.I've learned over the last year And a half. Like I said to many games become dog fight games because someone says I need fighter cover. Hey guess what I don't need fighter cover if I get shot by a pilot with a bomb. That's cool it just means I need to get better and right harder.

this reminds me of the Napoleonic wars when large numbers of troops were fired face to face. and the passage of time when the soldiers realized that it was unnecessary , veterans of the Napoleonic wars criticized the new styles. I just want you to show me that your team will suffer fewer casualties without using escorts. know why hangars games last so long ? why the number of casualties is awesome? because the goal of bombing the hangars is moved and just looking shooting for face to face.

Forget the hangars, we love shoot face to face <<<< that's the problem , the problem it's Somme pilots love make stads and forget the hangars

Ziza...I think ur missing the point entirely
this is a VIDEO GAME not real life
real war sucks for everyone, u should leave that crap out cause honestly it pointless and probably offensive to some ppl
u would come here and rain on our parade.........
maybe u need a break from df so u can come back and see it as a video game.....
id tell u man.....u got no brains

" u got no brains" well spit, you lost the point to

Ziza yeah you missed the point completely. You sit there and say everyone can fly like they want. Well there are many of us that want to fight head to head. And use skills that we have developed for doing just that. We don't want the game that we are in to turn into a dog fight every time we are players of a different type we have our own tactics for playing this way. If you ever took the time to learn them you would understand. So please as you say we can fly like we want in a.game if we don't want or need fighter cover then you should respsect that. Who are you to tell me and any.other.pilot that we are playing the wrong way.

I really enjoy Head to Head. I almost always go head to head. The only time I don't is when I play with Wig not going head to head, or Gen Jack. Every once in a while if I get into a Dogfight match, with low levels, I start spinning.

2Storm2[BB-1L] wrote: I really enjoy Head to Head. I almost always go head to head. The only time I don't is when I play with Wig not going head to head, or Gen Jack. Every once in a while if I get into a Dogfight match, with low levels, I start spinning.

yep. That's why I love this game

Wasnt Ziza told in the first place he was playing the wrong way?....just saying..

Ok I've sent ziza a.pm and tried to explain that some of us want to fight h to h. And that we have the right to play the way we want also that we don't want fighter cover and we have our own tactics of pairing up sneaking if teams are even. And some other things that we do if he has the right to fly the way he wants please respect the way we want to fly. But I guess that this is a totalitarian game and what he says is law. All we want is our type of game for our type of combat. I don't want someone to tell me I need fighter cover. When I don't want it.

I'm for whatever Zuperman wants....He doesnt support spawnkilling and teamkilling...and he doesnt want tactics diminished.

If this game were just dogfight missions head to head then he wouldnt have developed all of the many other missions...thats the beauty of Dogfight....we have bombing, zepplin, tank, dogfight, etc. Many more of the missions are "team missions"...and for that I and a super majority in dogfight are greatful

Hey swop as usually you don't know what you are talking about what we are asking is that we can have head to head bombing missions without someone telling us we need fighter cover. Any one can fly the way they want. Ok we want to fly head to head and not have fighter cover we want to Duke it out we want to test our skills and our selves. And our determination. Is that so hard to get is it to much to ask that we get to fly the way we want to

I think I know what I'm talking about...thats why I said that I want what Zuperman wants...I support him.

I know for one thing...I have never said you need fighter cover....I just said I support what Zuperman wants

Jesus darrax, I just say this is not call of duty, this is not battle field, no Medal of Honor, this is dogfight. And I don't wonna say you " you must fly like me!!!" No darrax, I'm just make an argument vs the accusations agains my way of fly. You say " I don't need fighter" well, again , I pretend say you " if you use fighters and others runways of the maps, you gonna take just a few deaths with many hangars for your win" that's all.

Pd: you really no reed my big text don't you? In that tex I say " it's ok face to face, but if some one no do it, and shoot you down, no get mad "

Ok I am.not accusing you of any thing I am not saying you have to fly like we do. We are asking that we can fly the way we want. If we don't want fighters in the game then why do we have to have them. Can't we fly the way we want you want to give cover then go for it. But there are games that people play where we want to fight it out that's all get it don't just start giving cover to pilots that don't want it. That's it that's all now you can either accept that or not. But this thread is for guys and girls that want to fight head to head no one even mentioned your name so go back to your therad as say what you want. But I want the chance to fly in a game that doesn't turn into a dog fight mission. So please respect our style of fighting

You know what doesn't work? When you swoop down then angle up in a head-on. Doesn't work

You've noticed that Mac lol. Send me a pm ok

What does work is shoot them when they start to go towards the ground, you gotta lead it a lil, and they shouldn't pull back up

Every turn fight starts with a head on fight unless you cower away from the fight its self. You just need to apply your head to head skills to a whole new level of head on fighting. It would be the same type of shooting from a parachute for instance. You have to find a pattern in their flight and then aim were they will be next. If you fail to do so you were given you head on fight now you must join your own imaginative hell of a dogfight.

Lets take a look at the 8 rules of the Dicta Boelcke the holly bible of the Fighter pilot. Most of these rules will apply to this game except for a few because of many un realistic things with in this game.

1. Secure the upper hand before attacking if possible keep the sun behind you.

Since the sun in the game is useless the second part of this rule is useless but the first part is still a thing. In a head on having a bomb will greatly increase your ability to hold stable and shoot straight. Losing the bomb gives you the upper hand for evading on the other hand and will win you the turn fight. Other than that the planes all have basically the same capabilities in this game so that part does not go much farther than that for one vs on fighting.

2. Always continue with an attack once begun.

Once you start an attack on someone you do not break off of it and try to escape it.

3. Open fire only at close range and then only when he is squarely in your sites.

This rule does not completely apply to dogfight because of the games physics that apply on our guns but if you do follow the rule it will grantee you a kill. At point blank rang in a head on doing a barrel roll and firing will land you hits.

4. Always keep your eye on your opponent and try to avoid being deceived by ruses.

Watch what all your enemies are doing all the time. If they fly slow then you can guess that have a bomb if they are fast and darting around you should prepare for a tough head to head shooting were if you fail you have to deal with a turn fight.

5. In any kind of attack it is essential to assail your opponent from behind.

This is still true in this game. Your enemy can not shoot you from the back of their plane. It is only logical to kill them from behind if given the chance.

6. If you enemy dives on you do not try to get around it but fly to meet it.

This does not only apply for dives but all attacks. If you are attacked you turn and you meet it. This would be your head on. This is why all turn fights start with a head on unless you choose to be a coward and do nothing but sit and complain about how you only want head to head shooting fights.

7. When over enemy lines always remember your own line of retreat.

Always good to know were home is.

8. It is better to fly in groups of 4 or 6. Also avoid two aircraft attacking the same opponent.

The more read on the horizon the harder it is to see that black dot. If you are facing multiple enemies while flying a group do not all focus on the same guy because the other guys you are not attacking will tear your apart.

The Dicta Boelcke goes for both head on and turn fighting but is against neglecting one or the other. You have to embrace both or die foolishly over and over again.

You want a head on fight then do not shy away from a pilot who dropped his bomb. Point your plane at him figure out his pattern and blast him apart. If you fail to do so then do not complain about him dropping his bomb. It just shows you have a flaw with your head on fighting skill when it comes to some one moving in a pattern other than a straight line. It means you need to fix your problem by getting better skilled as a head on fighter so you can deal with it. If you fail to stop it then you deserve to get torn apart by the pilot with out the bomb because he managed to get past your so called godly head on skills you got their. You got the head on fight you wanted because you always have a chance to turn and face them head on before they blow past you and the turn fight starts.

Do not give us turn fighters and multirole players that bullshit that you do not get to play how you want to play. Ok you do not want to a fighter escort because you want a head fight. Well telling the guy that he can not fly with out a bomb or be a escort is telling him that because I want to play a certain way you can not play how you like to play.

You want to fly with the skills you have learned which is your head on shooting. Maybe the droppers want to fly with the skills they have learned which is their turn fighting or actual dogfighting. Maybe if you can not deal with them in the head on fight you need to get better at your head on shooting skill or learn to turn fight at well. Yea turn fighters should learn how to fight the head to head shooting fight as well but you head to head shooters should learn the turn fight.

How many turn fighters get after head on pilots for fighting in the head on. I am going to estimate around none because if the turn fighter gets by the head on fighter the head on fighter usually ends up dead. So maybe you head on fighters should stop complaining about the turn fighters and fix your own aiming problems rather than spewing out you anti turn fighting shit because you can not defend your self from them or you can not stand being in a turn fight.

Any ace in this game that is worth darn and can even put up a fight that is worth paying attention has learned to fight in the head on and also in the turn fight. The ones that are at the very top of the list on top of that also learned how to do a head on fight against a acrobatic dropper as well as learned how to fight the turn fight with a bomb against a pilot who does not carry a bomb. Those are the people that are admirable in this game that people look up to. Its not the idiots that complain as soon as a game does not go exactly there way or the fighting gets more complicated then they would like it to get. Put a cork in it and learn some new skills. If you try hard enough at learning them then fighting in a turn fight against an expert turn fighter with out a bomb while you are carrying one becomes one heck of a blast. Same thing with shooting down acrobatic droppers in a head on.

Skydavis1 wrote: Every turn fight starts with a head on fight unless you cower away from the fight its self. You just need to apply your head to head skills to a whole new level of head on fighting. It would be the same type of shooting from a parachute for instance. You have to find a pattern in their flight and then aim were they will be next. If you fail to do so you were given you head on fight now you must join your own imaginative hell of a dogfight.

Lets take a look at the 8 rules of the Dicta Boelcke the holly bible of the Fighter pilot. Most of these rules will apply to this game except for a few because of many un realistic things with in this game.

1. Secure the upper hand before attacking if possible keep the sun behind you.

Since the sun in the game is useless the second part of this rule is useless but the first part is still a thing. In a head on having a bomb will greatly increase your ability to hold stable and shoot straight. Losing the bomb gives you the upper hand for evading on the other hand and will win you the turn fight. Other than that the planes all have basically the same capabilities in this game so that part does not go much farther than that for one vs on fighting.

2. Always continue with an attack once begun.

Once you start an attack on someone you do not break off of it and try to escape it.

3. Open fire only at close range and then only when he is squarely in your sites.

This rule does not completely apply to dogfight because of the games physics that apply on our guns but if you do follow the rule it will grantee you a kill. At point blank rang in a head on doing a barrel roll and firing will land you hits.

4. Always keep your eye on your opponent and try to avoid being deceived by ruses.

Watch what all your enemies are doing all the time. If they fly slow then you can guess that have a bomb if they are fast and darting around you should prepare for a tough head to head shooting were if you fail you have to deal with a turn fight.

5. In any kind of attack it is essential to assail your opponent from behind.

This is still true in this game. Your enemy can not shoot you from the back of their plane. It is only logical to kill them from behind if given the chance.

6. If you enemy dives on you do not try to get around it but fly to meet it.

This does not only apply for dives but all attacks. If you are attacked you turn and you meet it. This would be your head on. This is why all turn fights start with a head on unless you choose to be a coward and do nothing but sit and complain about how you only want head to head shooting fights.

7. When over enemy lines always remember your own line of retreat.

Always good to know were home is.

8. It is better to fly in groups of 4 or 6. Also avoid two aircraft attacking the same opponent.

The more read on the horizon the harder it is to see that black dot. If you are facing multiple enemies while flying a group do not all focus on the same guy because the other guys you are not attacking will tear your apart.

The Dicta Boelcke goes for both head on and turn fighting but is against neglecting one or the other. You have to embrace both or die foolishly over and over again.

You want a head on fight then do not shy away from a pilot who dropped his bomb. Point your plane at him figure out his pattern and blast him apart. If you fail to do so then do not complain about him dropping his bomb. It just shows you have a flaw with your head on fighting skill when it comes to some one moving in a pattern other than a straight line. It means you need to fix your problem by getting better skilled as a head on fighter so you can deal with it. If you fail to stop it then you deserve to get torn apart by the pilot with out the bomb because he managed to get past your so called godly head on skills you got their. You got the head on fight you wanted because you always have a chance to turn and face them head on before they blow past you and the turn fight starts.

Do not give us turn fighters and multirole players that bullshit that you do not get to play how you want to play. Ok you do not want to a fighter escort because you want a head fight. Well telling the guy that he can not fly with out a bomb or be a escort is telling him that because I want to play a certain way you can not play how you like to play.

You want to fly with the skills you have learned which is your head on shooting. Maybe the droppers want to fly with the skills they have learned which is their turn fighting or actual dogfighting. Maybe if you can not deal with them in the head on fight you need to get better at your head on shooting skill or learn to turn fight at well. Yea turn fighters should learn how to fight the head to head shooting fight as well but you head to head shooters should learn the turn fight.

How many turn fighters get after head on pilots for fighting in the head on. I am going to estimate around none because if the turn fighter gets by the head on fighter the head on fighter usually ends up dead. So maybe you head on fighters should stop complaining about the turn fighters and fix your own aiming problems rather than spewing out you anti turn fighting shit because you can not defend your self from them or you can not stand being in a turn fight.

Any ace in this game that is worth darn and can even put up a fight that is worth paying attention has learned to fight in the head on and also in the turn fight. The ones that are at the very top of the list on top of that also learned how to do a head on fight against a acrobatic dropper as well as learned how to fight the turn fight with a bomb against a pilot who does not carry a bomb. Those are the people that are admirable in this game that people look up to. Its not the idiots that complain as soon as a game does not go exactly there way or the fighting gets more complicated then they would like it to get. Put a cork in it and learn some new skills. If you try hard enough at learning them then fighting in a turn fight against an expert turn fighter with out a bomb while you are carrying one becomes one heck of a blast. Same thing with shooting down acrobatic droppers in a head on.

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darraxx wrote: Ok I am.not accusing you of any thing I am not saying you have to fly like we do. We are asking that we can fly the way we want. If we don't want fighters in the game then why do we have to have them. Can't we fly the way we want you want to give cover then go for it. But there are games that people play where we want to fight it out that's all get it don't just start giving cover to pilots that don't want it. That's it that's all now you can either accept that or not. But this thread is for guys and girls that want to fight head to head no one even mentioned your name so go back to your therad as say what you want. But I want the chance to fly in a game that doesn't turn into a dog fight mission. So please respect our style of fighting

Lol darrax, I'm the only one pilot who no make face to face ( and zebra some times or Werner, but I only see hem one time) , I'm the pilot who start the topic about use fighters scort. And obviously, this topic it's about me. And one thing, the fighters is not a decision or a petition. It's a very good way to get the hangars with no many deaths, that's all