I would love to be a little pine tree below a SB and Sky duel! Has to be the best chase in the game! I am a "keep the bomb guy" but as every one says "It's only a game" we must respect their version of it. It would be nice to have them pick a dogfight,Zep or capture carrier game to blast us from the sky but..... It's only a game and fighter support is a tactic however annoying. There are other "Strategies" more annoying.

Some time when you see a good snarl over a base, go sit on a mountain top and watch for a little while. It gives you a whole different perspective on the game. You can relax a bit & watch the movie.

ParrotHead wrote: So onto another deserving being listed. I cannot beat this dude I a chase. He slaughters me everytime. I put him right there with Big Tex in the best chasers. I just left a BTB with him and noticed he wasn't carrying a bomb right off the bat. I ask him why he's not carrying and he replies "Nope, never ". I tell him I'm sorry, but I'm not playing that way. Tell him its a real shame because I like him and leave.

SB467, it really is disappointing. I hope you change and start playing the missions when its BTB or BTC.

PH, I've mentioned that exact same thing a few months back. I said SB467and AlexTrav, have the same exact techniques...they corkscrew in, get on your six and your done...remarkably fast. Dude started out as my arch nemesis. I've only seen him in FFA missions, and he's taken me down 9 out of 10 times (the once or twice I got lucky)

I got the feeling early on he was just playing for Dog Fighing. Later I learned he's a pilot in the military so this sort of explains why he's so darn good at the chase. But more importantly, I learned one of his moves and have been applying it myself. He does something quite unexpected..once he gets past you, he doesn't turn right away...keeps flying for a second or two, then he does a horizontal loop..then he does one again...so he goes past you and loops twice back to back...so by the time the average joe has turned back to shoot, he is on his 2nd loop, lining up behind the said Joe. I've tried this several times and when I nail it, it works like a champ but it's all about timing.

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: Some time when you see a good snarl over a base, go sit on a mountain top and watch for a little while. It gives you a whole different perspective on the game. You can relax a bit & watch the movie.

I do this a lot.

Thanks PH for pionting out my mistakes in the post, exspecialy in front of God and everyone here. It might help me remember to review, review, then review, before submitting.... My older brother told me once, "only a true friend will tell you you have a bugar hanging from you nose"...... I would agree with that, but I cant believe a friend would yell it across a crouded room.... We all have are strong piont and week one, writing has never been a stong one for me.strugled with it thru out my life. Something inn the old head jus doesnt like to make it happen the way it should. After colage i just excepted it and i to this day apolgize for my spell when others are forcced to read it (I done so many times on this forum). Let me assure PH, what i lack in the language arts Godcompansated in ot, hher area's ahigher then average IQ that for what ever reason doesn't care for spelling.... its my cross t bare. We all have them. I don't usauly write in forums. Fact is DF is the only one, an ha J not ask me to be Enigmas recruiter (got it right that time) i probably would be doing it now. But that job forced me to step out of my Bbuble and I'm glad J asked me. Sorry for my spelling my feathervertual frend trust and belive i don't do it to anoy anyone ... But it does make the game more fun. I enjoy making someone chuckle and you said the mistake did just that. So I'm globing to continue to miss spell my comunica. To all of you. You might try for the mute opption with the mods tho.... just a thought bud.

Thanks for trudging try that. It builds character ....
Raptor

PS i believe i found my app .... PH

Humph... Dixie, I feel a bit responsible for all this. I egged you on to reveal your issue with him because i couldn't imagine what he ha done.... I apologize for the fall out that i should have foreseen. You could of course, not known the perverbial can of worms you were opening...

In his defense folks i myself haven't seen the list of people who are immune from being listed on this thread. Further more Dixie wasn't disrespectful in his post. He voiced a frustration that is legitimate (Christ sakes that what we are all doing) unfortunately it was regarding an individual that has a huge fan base (me being one such fan). Paul is a grown ass man who we all know has the capabilities to deffend himself on athread. Better then most in fact. So let him its usually very entertaining.
lastly Dixie apologize (not nessesary) pointing out that they have very different strategies and was standing his ground. Bit it was no big deal.... let it go. You act like Dixie is the only one you ever seen dropping, when we all know there are much worse offenders .... read the rest of the thread.

You take what you want from all this it sounds like you were given some sound advise, just the presentation of it may have been a bit rash and the contents over looked because of that..... It may be worth your while to revisit it... of course only you can answer that.

Again i apologize for eggin you on.... hopefully it will blow over for you soon..... If for some reason it doesn't, tale comfort in knowing your no longer the soul target.
Dixie you do know what M.O.M. stands for right?

Raptor I believe it was all over. Thanks for the two cents. I feel much better now that I've been scolded. I will go sit with my nose in the corner now.

We've handled it like gentlemen ourselves, thank you.

I believe we both learned something.

Dr Dave wrote:

dentinhead wrote: Flymagic aka Paul Mantz Jr. will alway's be a friend....,,,,,,,, Enemies come and go...


Edit: Publicly shame Paul? Is that possible? If it is let me know. I've failed at every attempt, miserably I might add. Matter of fact, I ended up being a Jack-A-Donkey....

Why would anybody want to shame Paul? That's just stupid.

My post was a response to another.... Paul and I have alway's taken jab's at each other (alway's in fun). The Jack-A-Donkey was something he started...
Their are other's like Flyingmuck That I will joke around with alot... There are no boundries with these 2 and some others..........

Yes I was talking about the post from I think it was Dixie about Paul but added the wrong quote sorry i will fix

Lmao Dr Dave... I knew you didn't mean anything by it....Ya had me scratching my head though...

SnidleyWhiplash wrote:

Utah70 wrote: Guys school me on this, i been hearing the words troll and flaming.... Im not a gammer and pretty sure that it has something to with gamming. Ive asked in game but havent gotten any answers.....
Thanks.

www.urbandictionary.com/ teaching the man to fish :)

Thanks whip, either no one knows or it a driving secret! !! Your the only one to help.

Richyroo wrote:

Dixieconfederate wrote: Flymagic aka Paul mantz jr

Paul is one of the most liked and respected players and members in game and on forum, so unless you can give us a very good explanation for your views you will be making a lot of enemies.

I look forward to either seeing an apology or a very good example of why he should be publicly shamed!

Sting arming with underlining threats ..... Mr Roo. How very unbecoming of you.... how is it your thread will work for all who have a gripe? You're be just tainted your own mission my friend.... too too bad. The thread no longer has unbiased credibly ...... now its just. Bitching. I like Paul too, and respect him to handle his own. Which he can. Well. If you choose too open another thread. Please be clear on the ground rules. I didn't see a list of name that couldn't be mentioned. Or the M.O.M. sponsorship or. Censorship , had i been awhere i wouldn't have choose to support the thread. Dixie got ambushed, he had know idea he walking into the lions den here.

You really exspected his apology? He's not the party that needs to apologize Mate.


I must look like a Dixie supporter, I'm not, not really. The only time i spoke with him was the few to
es on your thread here. I offered my support to your thread because it was advertside very different then what this has become..... anyway just remember what your reasoning was you started this, is it the same now?

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Utah70 wrote:

Richyroo wrote:

Dixieconfederate wrote: Flymagic aka Paul mantz jr

Paul is one of the most liked and respected players and members in game and on forum, so unless you can give us a very good explanation for your views you will be making a lot of enemies.

I look forward to either seeing an apology or a very good example of why he should be publicly shamed!

Sting arming with underlining threats ..... Mr Roo. How very unbecoming of you.... how is it your thread will work for all who have a gripe? You're be just tainted your own mission my friend.... too too bad. The thread no longer has unbiased credibly ...... now its just. Bitching. I like Paul too, and respect him to handle his own. Which he can. Well. If you choose too open another thread. Please be clear on the ground rules. I didn't see a list of name that couldn't be mentioned. Or the M.O.M. sponsorship or. Censorship , had i been awhere i wouldn't have choose to support the thread. Dixie got ambushed, he had know idea he walking into the lions den here.

You really exspected his apology? He's not the party that needs to apologize Mate.


I must look like a Dixie supporter, I'm not, not really. The only time i spoke with him was the few to
es on your thread here. I offered my support to your thread because it was advertside very different then what this has become..... anyway just remember what your reasoning was you started this, is it the same now?

Well Mr Raptor, I'm saddened you feel that way as I wouldn't ever want to annoy you, you offered me so much support and guidance when I first started out. But I will say nothing more than I was trying to defend a 'friend', if he had given an example, weather he didnt like his pics, his name or his flying technique that would've been understandable but to just name him with no explanation, was a little unfair.

I apologise if you feel that there is some sort of 'MOM sponsorship or censorship' but that isn't the case, I would've asked the same questions to Paul, parrot, dent or blue max if they had said the same about you.

I'm disappointed that you didn't give me the benefit of the doubt or just questioning my handling of my comment before spitting your dummy out.

If you can acknowledge my reply i will just ask for this thread to be deleted, it was never meant to create such problems.

Feel free to continue your rant or PM me or just hit thank you and I will take that as YOUR acknowledgement.


Soorry you feel the way you do!!

Here I go again, sticking my big beak in where it may not be wanted. Raptor, I think this thread worked. Dix voiced a complaint. For clarity, his complaint was that Paul called him out for dumping his bomb. Unfortunately, no explanation was provided. As you would expect, Paul's squad questioned the validity and demanded an explanation OR an apology. Dixie came back and explained, Paul responded. All is resolved. No blood, no foul.

I too, would have questioned an unexplained posting for any player I respected. When this thread was started it was stated that proof or a description of the offending activity should be included. If that had happened, I don't think we would have all been so quick to jump to Paul's defense.

It's over and were all fine no need to argue.

Lets move on

bomer1 wrote:

Whosethisguy wrote: I want to shame Bomber and eas for their PATHETIC hanger to kill ratios. Try carrying a bomb for once. Think of all the wasted electron munitions!

Hmm, how many hangers do u have bombed? I have 2323 and enzo has 27##, so how is that pathetic. U know whats pathetic, how u whine like a little #####. And who says i don't carry my bomb, that was one day when i didn't carry my bomb, ask anyone that plays me on a regular basis or use to play me.

Hangar bombings above 2000 is pretty good, given how airfighting-oriented this game is. There are only a few players with numbers above 3000 and you may only get that if you concentrate on bombing (like I do, because I'm no good at airfighting...have to do at least one thing well ).

Plu you are a better player than you give your self credit for. When you play you make a real contribution to your team. The game you, Parrot, and I played was a good one the other day. Was good to see you up and playing. You guys beat me fare and square.

General jackson wrote:
I can smell this one coming.......if I may put my 2 cents in.....I noticed alot of complaints about bomb droppers lately. It used to be spawnkilling, then it used to be wrong to go up high and then dive bomb on a hanger etc...etc....when does it end lol....There are many different ways to play dogfight and bomb dropping is one them......"WE" bombdroppers have a certain way we play. Its for the team, atkeast it is for me and I am sure it is for many others too.......Most bomb droppers are chasers and thats their style.....I first started chasing back when I realized I couldnt shoot straight all the time. I was always getting ahot down and so I started learning other ways to help the team. Thats when I started to chase/bomb drop........Back before I stopped playing, my so called "bomb dropping" helped win many many games..,...Alot of players would speak on my behalf if they read this....So as long as there are "hanger bombers" and "bomb droppers" the game will always be won by somebody....Now that I am back to playing, I will show you (as long as the lag stays away from me....lol)

Good points. If Zup had not intended people to fly "above the traffic", he would have put the ceiling on the game at 1500 ft. So clearly it's acceptable to do so as a tactic. OTOH, he didn't want tanks sitting on runways spawnkilling planes, or snipers on carriers doing the same, so he fixed those situations. Spawnkilling tanks are still a problem but not as bad as before.

I have no problem with bomb-droppers. I never drop since that's the only thing I do well, but for folks like Jackson it makes perfect sense. My reflexes are very slow, I'm lousy at aiming, and I have bad eyesight and evidently don't see enemy planes very well, so dropping and chasing would make no sense for me.

IMHO, the only unforgivable sins are spawnkilling, especially from a tank (from the air isn't good when it isn't to support a bomb run or something like that), or shooting down teammates. High altitude bomb runs, dropping/chasing, air support, etc., are all fine...they just require players to be on their toes. Spawnkilling and shooting down teammates ruin the game, IMHO.

EDIT: I *will* add that I hate seeing a bombdropper when I'm on a bombing run. It usually means I'm dead about a second or two later.

Blue Max Young wrote: Plu you are a better player than you give your self credit for. When you play you make a real contribution to your team. The game you, Parrot, and I played was a good one the other day. Was good to see you up and playing. You guys beat me fare and square.

That's flattering, but I'm really not very good in the air. Just don't have the reflexes -- I'm always shooting about a second or two later than other players and I feel lucky if I hit an enemy. And I'm not very good at evading enemy pilots, either. Somehow they always seem to be able to turn faster than I can and I either get shot down or crash. I'm in awe of players like Brian Strachan who seem to be able to do it all.

PluribusUnum wrote:

Blue Max Young wrote: Plu you are a better player than you give your self credit for. When you play you make a real contribution to your team. The game you, Parrot, and I played was a good one the other day. Was good to see you up and playing. You guys beat me fare and square.

That's flattering, but I'm really not very good in the air. Just don't have the reflexes -- I'm always shooting about a second or two later than other players and I feel lucky if I hit an enemy. And I'm not very good at evading enemy pilots, either. Somehow they always seem to be able to turn faster than I can and I either get shot down or crash. I'm in awe of players like Brian Strachan who seem to be able to do it all.

You should see my wife laugh at me when I play with my reading glasses on. Some games I can get shots a long way off and others i get blasted. I try to get up a little high so when I get shot i can parashoot and get the guys that I can't hit. used to hug the ground now I get a little air. Works well try it.

Blue Max Young wrote:

PluribusUnum wrote:

Blue Max Young wrote: Plu you are a better player than you give your self credit for. When you play you make a real contribution to your team. The game you, Parrot, and I played was a good one the other day. Was good to see you up and playing. You guys beat me fare and square.

That's flattering, but I'm really not very good in the air. Just don't have the reflexes -- I'm always shooting about a second or two later than other players and I feel lucky if I hit an enemy. And I'm not very good at evading enemy pilots, either. Somehow they always seem to be able to turn faster than I can and I either get shot down or crash. I'm in awe of players like Brian Strachan who seem to be able to do it all.

You should see my wife laugh at me when I play with my reading glasses on. Some games I can get shots a long way off and others i get blasted. I try to get up a little high so when I get shot i can parashoot and get the guys that I can't hit. used to hug the ground now I get a little air. Works well try it.

If you can hit anybody from a parachute, your reflexes must be a lot better than mine.

PluribusUnum wrote:

Blue Max Young wrote:

PluribusUnum wrote:

Blue Max Young wrote: Plu you are a better player than you give your self credit for. When you play you make a real contribution to your team. The game you, Parrot, and I played was a good one the other day. Was good to see you up and playing. You guys beat me fare and square.

That's flattering, but I'm really not very good in the air. Just don't have the reflexes -- I'm always shooting about a second or two later than other players and I feel lucky if I hit an enemy. And I'm not very good at evading enemy pilots, either. Somehow they always seem to be able to turn faster than I can and I either get shot down or crash. I'm in awe of players like Brian Strachan who seem to be able to do it all.

You should see my wife laugh at me when I play with my reading glasses on. Some games I can get shots a long way off and others i get blasted. I try to get up a little high so when I get shot i can parashoot and get the guys that I can't hit. used to hug the ground now I get a little air. Works well try it.

If you can hit anybody from a parachute, your reflexes must be a lot better than mine.

The higher you get the more time you have to shoot. Just takes practice. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. I'm to old to have good reflexes. You young guys got the reflexes. I got reading glasses. Lol

ParrotHead wrote: Thanks for speaking up Dix and explaining. Paul is like Big Papa 'round here and we were just shocked to see his name on the list. (For my friend Pedro, I'll use a "figure of speech" that is one of my favorites). Putting Paul's name on here will never make him a bad guy. "You can put a cat in the oven, but it don't make it a biscuit."

Richy, I bet you didn't think this would happen when you started the thread. A guy naming someone for calling him out as a dumper to be shamed. Lol.

So onto another deserving being listed. I cannot beat this dude I a chase. He slaughters me everytime. I put him right there with Big Tex in the best chasers. I just left a BTB with him and noticed he wasn't carrying a bomb right off the bat. I ask him why he's not carrying and he replies "Nope, never ". I tell him I'm sorry, but I'm not playing that way. Tell him its a real shame because I like him and leave.

SB467, it really is disappointing. I hope you change and start playing the missions when its BTB or BTC.

OK, this puzzles me. In practically every sortie you want a mix of bombers protected by fighters (unless you want all your bombers to go down in flames). Those with bombing skills should be bombing for the team. Those with pursuit/fighting skills, ditto. I've seen very few bombing games where there wasn't a mix (IOW, few games with nothing but bombdroppers). Like Jackson said elsewhere, it makes the most sense to do what you do well, and your team will benefit thereby.

Man, I wish I had that kill/death ratio. I've got twice as many deaths as kills.

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: Some time when you see a good snarl over a base, go sit on a mountain top and watch for a little while. It gives you a whole different perspective on the game. You can relax a bit & watch the movie.

Indeed. Wish I could learn something tactical from it, though. To me it's just a bunch of players circling and circling and circling. Which is what I do but invariably get shot down.

Captain Noushbag wrote:
I got the feeling early on he was just playing for Dog Fighing. Later I learned he's a pilot in the military so this sort of explains why he's so darn good at the chase. But more importantly, I learned one of his moves and have been applying it myself. He does something quite unexpected..once he gets past you, he doesn't turn right away...keeps flying for a second or two, then he does a horizontal loop..then he does one again...so he goes past you and loops twice back to back...so by the time the average joe has turned back to shoot, he is on his 2nd loop, lining up behind the said Joe. I've tried this several times and when I nail it, it works like a champ but it's all about timing.

I have no idea what this tactic means or how to execute it, but sounds interesting.

PluribusUnum wrote:

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: Some time when you see a good snarl over a base, go sit on a mountain top and watch for a little while. It gives you a whole different perspective on the game. You can relax a bit & watch the movie.

Indeed. Wish I could learn something tactical from it, though. To me it's just a bunch of players circling and circling and circling. Which is what I do but inevitably get shot down.

I wish I could pick the brain of SB. He has knowledge that would be great to learn. PM me sometime plu I will give you some pointers on the chase if you'd like.

Blue Max Young wrote:

PluribusUnum wrote:

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: Some time when you see a good snarl over a base, go sit on a mountain top and watch for a little while. It gives you a whole different perspective on the game. You can relax a bit & watch the movie.

Indeed. Wish I could learn something tactical from it, though. To me it's just a bunch of players circling and circling and circling. Which is what I do but inevitably get shot down.

I wish I could pick the brain of SB. He has knowledge that would be great to learn. PM me sometime plu I will give you some pointers on the chase if you'd like.

Thanks for the offer. I'll have to get my reflexes fixed first.