Deleted. By my deletion I think I got all the copies too.

I even deleted COOP in the big city. However, when you see his name try to get the image out of your mind.

I went back quite aways Paul and It looks like your right...They seem to be gone.

Mr. Mad: as Bopes has pointed out there was already a discussion regarding the girly pics and they were immediately removed. But thank you for calling it to our attention. Mad, I hope you know the high regard in which I personally hold you. M.O.M as a whole has often and consistently expressed the highest regard and respect for The 111th Falcons. The comments from Tex, among the handful of most respected, stand-up people who play Dogfight, were in no way disrespectful. I agree wholeheartedly with Tex about "intimidation" as pertains to squad tags. If I see you or a dozen other of your gifted pilots coming over the horizon I know I'm in for a long mission and a lot of reattachment of my face. Likewise many enigma and NLR players. But that's a function of individual prowess. The squad tags themselves don't "intimidate" the way seeing a M.O.M tag does. Maybe that's because so many of our members came (of their own volition, never "poached") to M.O.M from you other squads so there's naturally a high concentration of powerhouse players. It just kinda worked out that way. The M.O.M thing just looks...scary...in a way other tags don't. Hilarious, that, since my original thought in dreaming up the name was how ironic it'd be to have killer aces named after kindly rosy cheeked old ladies baking cookies and CAKE. You're a good man, Mad, and you know I think so...I think the world of the 111th too, nothing but deepest respect for all you lot.

Pedrinho: from day one I've declared my "M.O.M's don't shoot M.O.M's" policy in free for all "dogfight" missions. Most of the squad has seen me type "MOM team!" in-game. I'm with you; stat-feed on me if you like but I will NEVER shoot down a brother or sister M.O.M in FFA mode...unless he/she shoots me down first and probably not even then. We get ample opportunities to face-blow-off each other in all the non-dogfight mission types. Free-for-all may, sadly, be the closest we ever get to the mythical "squad wars" and patrolling around with dogss or SheiBe or Blob or Hat is the most fun I have in the game. When you get right down to it, there isn't much advantage, anyway...other players still engage with us one on one or in godforsaken red furballs anyway. The "MOMraderie" is what it's about for me.

If I log in and see a bunch of MOMs I know the only one thats gonna get a lotta beating is the chat keyboard

man they love to talk, and since I do too, well jokes about dentures not fitting like they used to never get old

I laughed when I first saw the MOM squad banner and I still do today. half my friends are mommmmieees

as for those pics,

erm

I have seen more explicit stuf in my grampa's national geo collection. But since, you guys do have a prodigy wing that pretends to not know about this stuff, please keep it PG

that being said,

here are some pics of women from an adult website I regularly visit

Kptn please keep your sick, twisted rollerblading-Amish fetish to yourself!

What are you trying to do, get me FIRED?

Kptn Singh wrote: If I log in and see a bunch of MOMs I know the only one thats gonna get a lotta beating is the chat keyboard

man they love to talk, and since I do too, well jokes about dentures not fitting like they used to never get old

I laughed when I first saw the MOM squad banner and I still do today. half my friends are mommmmieees

as for those pics,

erm

I have seen more explicit stuf in my grampa's national geo collection. But since, you guys do have a prodigy wing that pretends to not know about this stuff, please keep it PG

that being said,

here are some pics of women from an adult website I regularly visit

Kptn,
I already have the Mayans mad at us and are gunning for us around every Pyramid in Central America.. So please don't get the Amish Mennonites mounting 30 caliber Machine guns on their buggy's and gunning for us in Ohio.. Geezzz Kptn, a horse might get harmed and then we have the SPCA and PETA shooting at us too..


MOM is about love.. Have you hugged a horse today?? or your GOAT maybe..?

Hey Mad,

First let me start off that, like my boy Heavy D, got nuthin but luv for ya! In no way did I intend to personally offend you or anyone else. If my long diatribe doesn't do anything else, please realize that I meant no harm.

With that being said, the main reason why I joined MOM was that many of the best pilots looked at this game the same way that I did, and I wanted to be part of that group. I WISH that there were arenas only for grown folk, but that's not the case. Yet. There are plenty of non-MOM pilots that regularly take me to school, and even some up-and-comers that are really, really good.

I like MOM because we are as a group agressive, and even though this is after all, just a game, we like to win while playing. We post in in our charter that anyone seeking to join us has to meet our standards, and those are unabashedly there for everyone to see. Because we DO have so many aces, there is, by default, some intimidation. Now maybe I didn't clarify in my earlier post about what I mean by intimidating - I don't mean the in-your-face ranting, Ray Lewis pre-game screaming, Randy Johnson when he was a Mariner, Mike Tyson in his prime (No, I take that back. He's still scary) intimidation. I mean the kind that comes from consistent excellence, a reputation earned by being good for a long, long time: the Yankees, Steelers, Man U., Lakers, SEC Football.

I will also respecfully disagree with you on the "gentleman" pilot opinion you have on WWI pilots. IMO, that died by 1916 with Bloody April, Boelke, Albert Ball, Georges Guynemeyer, and Lanoe Hawker. Mick Mannock was notorious for his hatred of the Germans, and Rene Fonk was disliked by most for his ruthless efficiency. By the last year of the war, leaders like Billy Mitchell saw the airplane for what it was, a tool to be used in combined arms offensives. But I digress and should save that for another day...

I'm sorry if I come across to you and others as too agressive, brash, and opinionated. I don't speak for the squad, and my words are jsut that: my own. I will try to be cognizant in my future posts to keep everyone's sensibilities in mind. however, I represent MOM, and if what we do or say offends, we will do our best to make amends. That being said, in the spirit of friendly, if fierce, competition, we will always bring our "A" game, and may the best players win!

And just for the record MAD, we don't like Man U in our house. Arsenal and Chelsea (although growing up I loved the 80s Liverpool sides).

Lastnight wazzup and I flew with a guy named . . Whom was flying under the MOM banner. We were absolutely disgusted with this chap. Non stop creaper. Cussing and slandering to noo end! I informed him I was gona tell MOM on him , but he didn't care. Please figure out who this creaper is among your midsts, and handle him accordingly!!!

*420* wrote: Lastnight wazzup and I flew with a guy named . . Whom was flying under the MOM banner. We were absolutely disgusted with this chap. Non stop creaper. Cussing and slandering to noo end! I informed him I was gona tell MOM on him , but he didn't care. Please figure out who this creaper is among your midsts, and handle him accordingly!!!

420.. Our list of members is posted and about as up to date as I can keep it.. There are NO, "no names" in our squad.. If they are carrying the MOM tag and aint on our list.. They aint a MOM.. Shoot on sight, any color.. I like Ducks moto.. If its FLYin its DIEin..

OOPS, Just remembered LESA our Japanese Killing Machine, She has "dot dot".. But she is polite and a sweetheart.. She is the only no-name we have..

ALSO BIG TEX.... I AM PROUD TO KNOW YOU AND TO BE A FELLOW TEXAN/M.O.M WITH YA..!!!

Big Tex wrote: And just for the record MAD, we don't like Man U in our house. Arsenal and Chelsea (although growing up I loved the 80s Liverpool sides).

Manchester United!!!!

[e]Sputnik wrote:

Big Tex wrote: And just for the record MAD, we don't like Man U in our house. Arsenal and Chelsea (although growing up I loved the 80s Liverpool sides).

Manchester United!!!!

Dunno sput - hard to beat (from a purely entertainment view point) Arsenal when they had Dennis Berkamp, Thierry Henry, Robert Pires, and Freddie Ljungberg up front scoring....

Just saw this - not sure how well the attachment will (if) show who's online now. MOMfest!

Big Tex wrote: You bring up some very good points though. I also hate fighting MOMs and wont do it in DF either unless all that's left are MOM We usually will eat cake instead though. I personally don't like flying against MOMs in the other modes and I tend to attack non-MOMs first instead. This morning I was the only blue for a bit in our HTC game so it was a little different.
Don't feel bad about your rank and skill; you WILL improve and get better with more practice like ALL of us had to. I still get wadded plenty so it's all good! Your point about scheduling training is a good one. When I was an Enigma there was a section on their site where a member asked about the best flying/fighting style to all the members and there was great discussion. I personally try to avoid the head on shots as I see that as a 50/50 deal. If I'm on you tail instead you cant fire back at me....Surprisingly the advice given by the great aces in history seem to apply in the game as well - Google Noelle, Ginger Lacey or "Sailor" Malan. I would love to see a newbies only area where flying skills could be taught, think that would be very useful and very healthy for the game. I don't think as many would quit playing because of the huge difference in skill sets.

Now that we've (hopefully) got past the girly pic scandal, here's potential fuel for another on the general topic of skill:

My own personal opinion is that actual “skill” (flying and strategic) accounts for not too much, maybe 5%, of a player’s overall force-to-be-reckoned-with quotient (FTBRW). Not to say skill can’t be a decisive factor in the outcome of any game or individual skirmish. More often than not it probably is, especially in match-ups between more or less equally ranked players on teams of more or less equal size (but how often does THAT happen? )

Otherwise I’d attribute at least 80-85% of FTBRW to “level mojo”, i.e., whatever boost from leveling up one gets in capacity to inflict and resist damage. Based on my own purely subjective impression, this generally seems to include progressively more bang for the bullet, better “eyesight”, thicker “skin”, etc. I don’t know if quickness and control responsiveness also get a boost, or if those are strictly set by the plane’s performance envelope.

The rest (IMO!) is luck of the draw and other sorts of luck (good or bad) independent of actual skill. Things like lag, timing, etc. I also strongly suspect the choice of device the game is played on may play a role one way or the other but I just don’t know for sure.

Given all the above, and the deck being so heavily stacked against noobs, I might even go so far as to say that the purest form of “skill” (un-muddied by level mojo) is demonstrated when an aspirant scores a legitimate kill against a much higher-ranked player (or even successfully avoids being killed by one).

But once a player levels up out of aspirant-hood, he starts receiving the dividend of level mojo, like one of those perks that used to go with cushy government jobs. After this, as any incumbent politician can tell you, reliance on pure skill is not absolutely essential.

Again, this is just my opinion. I do not denigrate the sincerity of anyone’s strongly held conviction that skill is the primary driver of FTBRW. I just don’t share that conviction. That being said, I wouldn’t trade my level mojo for nuttin! I likes it just fine thank you very much!

What say ye all to them apples?

Dot Dot is not a mom ! , this person and moondoggie08 are the biggest tossers in the game .

And just a word on the sponge bath/ softcore kerfuffle it's interesting that one of DF's most chased after females waded into the fray with sponge at the ready ! , I'm not condoning posting softcore on our thread but its refreshing to see DF'S number one siren going along with the joke... Thanks 420 for not going all PC on us.

Wait, what?? There's level mojo???!!

Big Tex wrote: Wait, what?? There's level mojo???!!

LOL maybe I'm imagining it (but I doubt it).

bopes wrote:

Big Tex wrote: You bring up some very good points though. I also hate fighting MOMs and wont do it in DF either unless all that's left are MOM We usually will eat cake instead though. I personally don't like flying against MOMs in the other modes and I tend to attack non-MOMs first instead. This morning I was the only blue for a bit in our HTC game so it was a little different.
Don't feel bad about your rank and skill; you WILL improve and get better with more practice like ALL of us had to. I still get wadded plenty so it's all good! Your point about scheduling training is a good one. When I was an Enigma there was a section on their site where a member asked about the best flying/fighting style to all the members and there was great discussion. I personally try to avoid the head on shots as I see that as a 50/50 deal. If I'm on you tail instead you cant fire back at me....Surprisingly the advice given by the great aces in history seem to apply in the game as well - Google Noelle, Ginger Lacey or "Sailor" Malan. I would love to see a newbies only area where flying skills could be taught, think that would be very useful and very healthy for the game. I don't think as many would quit playing because of the huge difference in skill sets.

Now that we've (hopefully) got past the girly pic scandal, here's potential fuel for another on the general topic of skill:

My own personal opinion is that actual “skill” (flying and strategic) accounts for not too much, maybe 5%, of a player’s overall force-to-be-reckoned-with quotient (FTBRW). Not to say skill can’t be a decisive factor in the outcome of any game or individual skirmish. More often than not it probably is, especially in match-ups between more or less equally ranked players on teams of more or less equal size (but how often does THAT happen? )

Otherwise I’d attribute at least 80-85% of FTBRW to “level mojo”, i.e., whatever boost from leveling up one gets in capacity to inflict and resist damage. Based on my own purely subjective impression, this generally seems to include progressively more bang for the bullet, better “eyesight”, thicker “skin”, etc. I don’t know if quickness and control responsiveness also get a boost, or if those are strictly set by the plane’s performance envelope.

The rest (IMO!) is luck of the draw and other sorts of luck (good or bad) independent of actual skill. Things like lag, timing, etc. I also strongly suspect the choice of device the game is played on may play a role one way or the other but I just don’t know for sure.

Given all the above, and the deck being so heavily stacked against noobs, I might even go so far as to say that the purest form of “skill” (un-muddied by level mojo) is demonstrated when an aspirant scores a legitimate kill against a much higher-ranked player (or even successfully avoids being killed by one).

But once a player levels up out of aspirant-hood, he starts receiving the dividend of level mojo, like one of those perks that used to go with cushy government jobs. After this, as any incumbent politician can tell you, reliance on pure skill is not absolutely essential.

Again, this is just my opinion. I do not denigrate the sincerity of anyone’s strongly held conviction that skill is the primary driver of FTBRW. I just don’t share that conviction. That being said, I wouldn’t trade my level mojo for nuttin! I likes it just fine thank you very much!

What say ye all to them apples?

Again you forgot the SF... Suck Factor. Of which I hold exclusive rights to. Also the meat eaters tend to gobble up the leaf eaters.. You have me in my Greyhound Bus with my bomb floating around with Mr Red Corvette buzzing around me at Mach 2.

bopes wrote:

Big Tex wrote: You bring up some very good points though. I also hate fighting MOMs and wont do it in DF either unless all that's left are MOM We usually will eat cake instead though. I personally don't like flying against MOMs in the other modes and I tend to attack non-MOMs first instead. This morning I was the only blue for a bit in our HTC game so it was a little different.
Don't feel bad about your rank and skill; you WILL improve and get better with more practice like ALL of us had to. I still get wadded plenty so it's all good! Your point about scheduling training is a good one. When I was an Enigma there was a section on their site where a member asked about the best flying/fighting style to all the members and there was great discussion. I personally try to avoid the head on shots as I see that as a 50/50 deal. If I'm on you tail instead you cant fire back at me....Surprisingly the advice given by the great aces in history seem to apply in the game as well - Google Noelle, Ginger Lacey or "Sailor" Malan. I would love to see a newbies only area where flying skills could be taught, think that would be very useful and very healthy for the game. I don't think as many would quit playing because of the huge difference in skill sets.

Now that we've (hopefully) got past the girly pic scandal, here's potential fuel for another on the general topic of skill:

My own personal opinion is that actual “skill” (flying and strategic) accounts for not too much, maybe 5%, of a player’s overall force-to-be-reckoned-with quotient (FTBRW). Not to say skill can’t be a decisive factor in the outcome of any game or individual skirmish. More often than not it probably is, especially in match-ups between more or less equally ranked players on teams of more or less equal size (but how often does THAT happen? )

Otherwise I’d attribute at least 80-85% of FTBRW to “level mojo”, i.e., whatever boost from leveling up one gets in capacity to inflict and resist damage. Based on my own purely subjective impression, this generally seems to include progressively more bang for the bullet, better “eyesight”, thicker “skin”, etc. I don’t know if quickness and control responsiveness also get a boost, or if those are strictly set by the plane’s performance envelope.

The rest (IMO!) is luck of the draw and other sorts of luck (good or bad) independent of actual skill. Things like lag, timing, etc. I also strongly suspect the choice of device the game is played on may play a role one way or the other but I just don’t know for sure.

Given all the above, and the deck being so heavily stacked against noobs, I might even go so far as to say that the purest form of “skill” (un-muddied by level mojo) is demonstrated when an aspirant scores a legitimate kill against a much higher-ranked player (or even successfully avoids being killed by one).

But once a player levels up out of aspirant-hood, he starts receiving the dividend of level mojo, like one of those perks that used to go with cushy government jobs. After this, as any incumbent politician can tell you, reliance on pure skill is not absolutely essential.

Again, this is just my opinion. I do not denigrate the sincerity of anyone’s strongly held conviction that skill is the primary driver of FTBRW. I just don’t share that conviction. That being said, I wouldn’t trade my level mojo for nuttin! I likes it just fine thank you very much!

What say ye all to them apples?

interesting analysis

I been thinking of this myself,

u cite an aspirant, killing a higher ranking player as purest form of skill. Say an aspirant murders an air marshal. I think that goes beyond skill and into the realm of divine abilities.

(insert: any aspirant who kills an air marshal in a dogfight is welcomed to join Falcon squad, no questions asked)

when we are talking skill, I like to watch aspirant on aspirant or secondary liutenant on squadren leader fights. They are pure skill against pure skill. Just pure adrenaline at work their.

It is because of the realization of the level mojo factor, that I see many aces reverting back to aspirant status in a vain attempt to relive the struggle, but it never can be repeated. What is once learnt cannot be erased. At some point, what they mistake as level mojo is their own skill increase. Hence, my friend, I disagree with your premise on the whole but agree to some of the final details.

If you revert back to an aspirant with a swopwith, you will inflict some serious damage vs an actual aspirant, and that is SKILL. Id say skill is about 40% vs 5%

Big Tex, we're all elevated, game-wise and character-wise, by your presence in this squadron. No qualification or apologies necessary. If squad wars ever happen and we have to break down into fours, I have dibs on you on my wing.

Jasmine; that was a MOMimposter you saw. I've seen him/her/it, too. Lesa, our one (former) no-name player now uses her own name and has done since she joined. Please keep us posted if you see the faux-Mom again.

Ktheo, I ran into a mock-MOM myself last night. The guy we've discussed called -bob-. I asked who he was and he simply said, "mom". I asked again and he said, "I'm a friend of Keith Theo, he asked me to join." Illuminate, if you can.

Two consecutive days of some of the most enjoyable, and frustrating, play; I've played with and against more MOM's than I've ever seen in such a short span of time. I've also run into at least two of the most repulsive pigs in Dogfight; Moondoggie08 and I fuuck American. In both cases rampant team killing, tank spawning and trash talking spoiled the game. This I fuuck American (sorry Prodigies and visiting kids, but you should know what kind of scum you'll encounter in the game, and in the world, so you can learn by example to be as much a polar opposite to these abusive, emotionally stunted slimesuckers as you can. You learn as much by observing what's wrong as by trying to emulate what's right) ... anyway, this twisted swine was spouting anti-American invective, slaughtering his own team, abusing everyone in the game. He's entitled to his opinions, that's what America stands for, but not in this context.

Here's something that might be fun and might be stupid - and, being stupid, would then be signature MOM stuff like cute and CAKE - but it's been on my mind:

Name four non-MOM players you most respect and would least like to see ganged up and coming at you in red.

Then name the three other M.O.M's you'd want on your side.

Then, and it might be at least somewhat redundant with the first list: name the five "dream team" players you'd most want to see in M.O.M who aren't already members. Fantasy poaching is definitely allowed.

I'll kick it off, jump in if it sounds like a good lark:

Players I hope are in bed, not in red, while I'm online:

TheVampire
Rickenfaker
Dawson
REID

MOMrades I'd want on my "squad wars" team:
Coop
Big Tex
D_NAllanLesaDogssMuckStrachBlobDentHatKtheoOedSheibeJunkDannySputetc

Fine. A MOM can't play favorites with his kids.

Dream Team Recruitment candidates:
Samweb
Rickenfaker
Coolhandluke
shoe
Dianne
(and that girl on the right in Smurf's bikini pic...just trying for a not too abrupt segue)

Have at...

Sorry guys, didn't realise my comments would nail the pictures in place, think they've gone now.
Is madtothebone really upset with someone?

Sorry to interrupt, just wanted to note that every time I refresh the forums, something is going on in here! LOL

TheGreat

Flyingmuck wrote: Sorry guys, didn't realise my comments would nail the pictures in place, think they've gone now.
Is madtothebone really upset with someone?

guilty as charged....

Reid
Samweb
The Vampire
Rickenfaker


Dent
allan
Big Tex
B Strachan. I'm having B fly for me .. I'm not feeling well today! Tummy is upset..



Samweb
Samweb
Rickenfaker
Rickenfaker

Wig, I love what you said. Yes, there is NO better person, not only in this squadron but, ANY squadron than Big Tex.

I agree with all prospective members of dream team, both present M.O.M.s and non-M.O.M.s that you listed. Others that immediately come to mind; DXP29 and BigBoss. Also, Alex(RED), General Jackson,HellDawg, Jacob. I am sure I have left someone out but, has been long day.

Big Tex wrote:

Flyingmuck wrote: Sorry guys, didn't realise my comments would nail the pictures in place, think they've gone now.
Is madtothebone really upset with someone?

guilty as charged....

I'm lost, is this the intimidating thing, I remember awhile back flying over the hill and seeing 3 MOMs coming at me and frantically looking for the reverse gear, yeah 3 MOMs in a line is intimidating, but then so are 3 falcons, or 3 enigmas, or 3 nlr's, or Dianne!

TheGreat wrote: Sorry to interrupt, just wanted to note that every time I refresh the forums, something is going on in here! LOL

TheGreat

Now, what's going on around here??? Who did it this time ?? I'm about to unleash an Amish Mayan on all ya alls butts..

SheiBe Kopf wrote:

TheGreat wrote: Sorry to interrupt, just wanted to note that every time I refresh the forums, something is going on in here! LOL

TheGreat

Now, what's going on around here??? Who did it this time ?? I'm about to unleash an Amish Mayan on all ya alls butts..

With 140 pages, SOMETHING MUST BE GOING ON!!!! LOL

TheGreat

Wig I'll just take Dianne and Miss Sexy, they come straight at you best just roll over and kick your legs in the air!
Comes to that, may as well make it a massacre add Jenny fly and lessa to that mix.

legendofkane wrote: actually muck,the most intimidating thing i always see is when one red turns into four all of a sudden.i just barrel roll and scream hoping to hit something.

Pray and Spray!