I cant imagine what would daily life would be without Dogfight.... Please Zuperman if there is any way you can save this game please try Operation Save Dogfight

Richyroo wrote: .
I hope no one from my energy provider are reading this but my 'pledge' was so much more than we could afford, to the point the gas and elec wouldn't be getting paid. Guess now so many people couldn't be bothered to help that ill be paying the bills after all.

Sorry to Zup and Team.

Since writing the above post MrsRooLou and My son has been taken into hospital and even though we have the N.H.S here, there is a lot of expense in other ways when things like this happen.
Our rent is due on Wednesday and I'm currently having to 'dip' into it just to be able to afford the petrol costs, parking costs and other related expenses and at the moment we don't know when he will be well enough to get discharged.
I say this as I'm gutted to have to do it but I can no longer afford my pledge and will have to withdraw it.
I don't think it will make a difference really as we're SO far away from the target but I couldn't just withdraw it without explaining why.
Sorry Echoboom and others that were depending on our pledge.

Yours sincerely,

Rich

Were is the kickstarter page?...do you mean the dogfitht elite information page?...

www.kickstarter.com/projects/echoboomapps/dogfight-elite

In the upper right corner you can make and/or manage your pledge.

Richly, I would not worry about it, I and some others surely would pick up any difference should it come down to that. Most important thing right now is to make sure you have what you need to live and take care of your child.

Roo and Mrs. Roo, having you both as MOMs and teammates and fellow DF addicts is more than enough. Take care of the real world and DF will go where its gonna go. Best wishes for a quick and healthy solution to your son's illness...

Z listen....

I love the game like many others do, but i rarely go on the forum and for my son 11 yr old, he doesn't.
I didn't even know there was dogfight elite till late.
Honestly i wasn't to sure about pledging at first cos i thought the money would go through even if the goal wasn't reached (sceptical)
But understand now that IF the goal isn't reached the pledged transaction will not proceed.
Zup i sure hope the df elite will get the green light and if not pls find a way to keep this original game going.
Idea!! How about sponsors from companies u know have thier adds if they back u up on the project.
I'm sure we can get someone.
But for the time being my son and I r right behind u on this. Never give up till it's over.

I just sent an email with a link for dogfight elite to the flying heritage collection. It's an aviation museum founded by Microsoft co-creator Paul Allen. Told them it is a must have app for all plane enthusiasts. And they would not be disappointed by the in game planes and missions. Educational and fun.

@Ricky take care of your kid. That's the #1 priority, don't worry about pledging if you can't afford it man

@Claygod, thanks! I didn't know that was founded by Paul Allen! Actually you should tell them we were featured by Microsoft itselft last week! go here: www.facebook.com/bizspark and scroll down a bit to see Dogfight Elite logo in there. Bizspark is the Microsoft program for business. They even featured a full interview here: blogs.technet.com/b/bizspark_featured_st...-phone-echoboom.aspx

@Everybody else:
I think I've got an idea, write to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. or This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. (or both) and tell them why you feel the project should be a staff pick! I wrote to them, but I'm the author so they feel it's biased. If you guys write to them and tell them, maybe it works. Remember to explain why and provide the project link: www.kickstarter.com/projects/echoboomapps/dogfight-elite

Let's try to get Dogfight Elite on kickstarter front page!

Why not talk with Mark Zuckerburg of facebook! He may help, or Bill Gates? Hell Bill may even help make ir system ready for the xbox, or try Sony and talk to them about the consoul version. Just ideas to help keep this awesome game afloat.

Im already in touch with Microsoft and placed us on main page! But that doesn't help much to get crowdfunding. We need kickstarter to promote it since most people that go in there, are already looking for one project to pledge. So if we get it on their staff picks... maybe... who knows

Fired a note and a bottle of tears off to Support@kickstarter with a link... Let's see what Happens.

dentinhead wrote: Fired a note and a bottle of tears off to Support@kickstarter with a link... Let's see what Happens.

Ditto ... keeping fingers crossed...

I agree with zuperman, among all the games out there, they all have bugs and shortfalls. All in all, this game delivers far more for the money and the comraderie that many of us have developed is invaluable. I would encourage each of you to pledge what you can and share this campaign with others on other forms of social media, it doesn't take but a few seconds to share this with someone and recommend the game. Everyone that plays this game should make a minimal effort to support dogfight elite. I can personally attest that there has never been a time since me or my son have been playing that if we had an issue or question, zuperman personally responded and always strived to satisfy. I encourage everyone to help with this endeavor and help zuperman succeed.
Kindest Regards,
chl

Message sent.

How about charge those who trys to sell Viagra and other medical substances on the forum

that's great idea! only on commissions we could substain dogfight elite 1, 2, and 3! lol

Just an idea here. I assume there is some sort of financial recompense involved, but how about putting a little button leading to other games info on the plane choice page. Below is a game I amuse myself with, note the blue button to the right, that leads me of into a world of info on other games ect.

Pedrinho wrote: Zup, I wont send you a PM; rather post it publick.
Is there any bloody reason to not make the current game a montly-fee one? Geez, it is so obvious and simple! As many of us already talked about, if 1% of players pay 1 dollar a month, you can make this game better, can make Elite work and perhaps buy that boat in the French Riviera!

And about phantom fighter complain, maybe you could even give free-subscriptions to young players...

YES THERE IS A BLOODY REASON. Some of us CAN'T AFFORD to pay a monthly fee!!!

EF9, I can't afford paying the monthly fees to watch all the Cruzeiro's matches on TV; so, I don't watch it. Sad, but...
And I can't afford driving a Ferrari; so, I won't buy a Ferrari. Got it?

The fact that some of us cant afford to pay a montlhy fee can be a reason for Zuperman to make charity; but he is not going to make charity, he wants to make money instead - and he deserves to earn money from its creation, don't you think? Or do you think that he needs to work like a slave for us to the end of days????
He is already working like a slave for months and years since he launched the first version of the game, for what he received NO THING from the big most of us. What is being discuted here is a possible solution for the FACT that he can't keep doing this charity any longer! Its a FACT! We are trying to find a solution for this fact, for this problem!
It would be wonderfull if we could keep playing DF for free, but we simply can NOT, understand this, please!

Edit: See, now, Zup?? What do YOU think you are? A slave?

Pedrinho wrote: EF9, I can't afford paying the monthly fees to watch all the Cruzeiro's matches on TV; so, I don't watch it. Sad, but...
And I can't afford driving a Ferrari; so, I won't buy a Ferrari. Got it?

The fact that some of us cant afford to pay a montlhy fee can be a reason for Zuperman to make charity; but he is not going to make charity, he wants to make money instead - and he deserves to earn money from its creation, don't you think? Or do you think that he needs to work like a slave for us to the end of days????
He is already working like a slave for months and years since he launched the first version of the game, for what he received NO THING from the big most of us. What is being discuted here is a possible solution for the FACT that he can't keep doing this charity any longer! Its a FACT! We are trying to find a solution for this fact, for this problem!
It would be wonderfull if we could keep playing DF for free, but we simply can NOT, understand this, please!

Edit: See, now, Zup?? What do YOU think you are? A slave?

Alright, I guess I would be willing to lose the 1% of people who can't afford to pay a monthly fee. Zup, i think that if all the people of the df community pay like $1-2 a month then that would be enough to fix bugs and stuff right? And why not completely forget df elite and just focus on making THIS dogfight BETTER.

@Pedrinho, I just answered that question on kickstarter. It has also being answered on this forum multiple times.
Dogfight is already subscription based on many markets and devices. It has been for over a year. And where it is, most people don't pay, in fact, they stop playing as soon as the $1 is asked. I'm not talking a 1% pay, nope, less than 0.001% pays subscription! It is a very bad system because it doesn't work on all countries and gives all kind of troubles today.

It is not simple task because Dogfight only ran on mobile version. It means that we have to follow the stores rules and Apple for instance didn't allow for subscription on the game (they only allow it for newspapers and that kind of stuff), they did allow it at some point, then changed their mind, then allowed it again, then dropped it... so it was a horrible problem to handle because some players were under subscription while others not, getting all kind of complains. Google Play did not even have subscription based system until a few months ago and it gives all kind of troubles depending on the countries people pay from. And Amazon kindle has right this moment a subscription based system.
So it is a mix, and although the current number of players of Dogfight is huge, 99.9999% of players stopped playing when we added subscription (I don't think we even have 20 paying customers on amazon kindle subscription to give you an idea after over 100,000 downloads there). So far, we decided not to do it on markets that it doesn't work and that's why Dogfight Elite won't be subscription based if it gets funded.

Thanks, Zup. Its sad to know about this issues... Heck, what these Apple and Google people think they are? Only them can make profits??? It is nothing but dictatorship!!
One more question: is there any possibility for you at Echoboom deliver a paid version of the game without using Apple Store or Google Play? I can't say for sure (correct me if Im wrong), but I remember reading that some developpers (like Gameloft, for example) used to distribute some of their games without using Apple Store nor Google Play (maybe because of these issues)...

Trying to be more clear: Is there any alternative to earn monthly fees from players without the intervention of AppStore or Google Play?

And my appologies from being stubborn and, sometimes, rude. I am not too good with public relationship... But I need to make it clear that, despite its many flaws, I really admire your work, and I will be very disappointed if this game goes to an end.

All these incidents made me understand and be a little more patient with software flaws in general... You should not give up, even if some break is needed. I hope that, if the worst scenario takes shape (with the "shut down" threat happening), we can still have this forum to keept contact, to be up to date about DF "ressurrection"...

One last thing: I am sad not only because the possibility of losing a great bunch of fun time playing this game; I am sad mostly because, as a former wannabe programmer and game designer, I see that even a successful mobile game needs to fight so much against so many adversities to be alive... While, in other hand, other ridiculous games are always in the front page of Play Store site, earning millions of dollars each year... Definitely, life isn't fair.

Good luck, Zup. And don't lose your morale if things doesn't happens as expected. You are young, and I am sure you will succeed in your passionate work!

I believe I said all I need to say about this. So, I will release you from my complainings and whinnings...

See you in the skies, everybody!

I knew not to get my hopes up, but the other buyer wants the house for less than half it value, I can't/won't give it away so for now it's on hold again. Sorry

I'd GLADLY pay a monthly subscription.

And me.

Dr Dave wrote: I knew not to get my hopes up, but the other buyer wants the house for less than half it value, I can't/won't give it away so for now it's on hold again. Sorry

I'm going through the same thing, Except I'm trying to sell the one I'm living in...

dentinhead wrote:

Dr Dave wrote: I knew not to get my hopes up, but the other buyer wants the house for less than half it value, I can't/won't give it away so for now it's on hold again. Sorry

I'm going through the same thing, Except I'm trying to sell the one I'm living in...

Yep mine list for $225 as is, and is worth $300 the area will support $300 to $350 and he offered $75 He's outta his mind... the house is in good shape, ill give it to one of my kids before I give it away.

why not make the game and sell it for $15? $20? $25? the players that like this game r willing to pay. do it like before like a tryal version too. i think monthly sucks, because im gonna feel like playing because im paying, not because like/enjoy it. just let the people that pay $20 or $25 bucks play it. the number of players will go up with time. hopefully the money will also. also in poor countries charge less??¶ i need to find a job first, before start talking about money

Zups!!
What about doing Adds u know sponsors to place an Add on the front somewhere becouse we have the number of players , its a game lots of ppl play and look into. Why not try asking for sponsorship like Mc Donalds or Burger King to place an Add before Ecco boom comes up or something or even the mobile phone giants to place an Add . Just a thought