Ruspecial, I saw you in-game this morning and you mentioned having been invited by B. Understand, when one of us invites you it isn't to automatically join, it's to drop by the thread, introduce yourself, (as you've done) tell a little about who you are, not only your rank and Dogfight status but your age, where you live, what you do, likes and dislikes, cross-dressing preferences...whatever you think might give us a sense of who you are and how you would fit with the group dynamic. So it's more of an invitation to come by and request to be invited. I can tell you now that we don't have a single aspirant (I know, you had account trouble and had to start from scratch) and we are VERY selective about Prodigy members in particular since the point of M.O.M is that we're "Mean Old Men" and kids screw up everything they touch. I'm only kidding. Mostly. Sputnik is a 90 year old woman in late-stage dementia in the body of a 13 year old boy, he doesn't count.

And Ruspecial...you were pretty adamant in asking me about joining M.O.M then the very next mission you were pitching anyone and everyone to join your own new squad! Wut shall have been up wit dat? I can feel my skepticism eyebrow elevating...

It's ok Wig I'm sure the meanness will come with age. lol

Hey folks , when you go in game and use a different name please let us know, in game..just a hint..who you are. Forum name is best.

Hey guys I'm back just had sinus surgery yesturday...It sucks can't breath ....I'm try to play a little today.

Jacob10000 wrote: veidar! I told him to get back to the forums so hopefully we'll see him soon.

That is great news, thanks for sharing. I miss him, he has a lot of class! Thanks!

new jersey devil wrote: Hey guys I'm back just had sinus surgery yesturday...It sucks can't breath ....I'm try to play a little today.

DO NOT GO TO ALTITUDE! The higher you go the more it will hurt.
Welcome back and I hope you heal fully. SNORT!

Speaking of skepticism...

Last night B and I were in a few missions together along with a no-name B had been playing with earlier. The no-name (four dots in some annoying configuration or other, like high dot, two low dots, high dot. How you type those apostrophe' level high dots, anyway?) ... the no-name starts right in on Brian with fairly well expressed invective like, "Nice spawn killing last game B Strachan" It went back and forth for I don't know how many rounds, Bri trying to explain his actions, the invisible cheat trying to characterize him as a spawner...I jumped into the fray and said, "Hey no-name...what's with the no name?" This players proceeds to reveal that he's someone well know to both B and me. "You know me well, Wig, we've spoken many times." "Okay, so, who are you? And why the invisibility cheat?" "I can't say who I am, this is my spy account." Oh christ on a graham cracker crust. "Spy account? Spying on what?" The mission ended. Next game, me and no-name, no B. "So, no-name, how's the spying coming along for ya?" "Wig, I know it upsets you. I have much respect for you so I'll just leave." Which he/she/it then did.

Can I just say...What the effin' aytch? "Spy account"?!?! Are we in the third grade? Or working for the GOP? (same intellectual level) B and I kicked it around some just now and decided the speculation from other players that it might be an undercover Slenderman doesn't quite wash. I don't believe Slender would choose a no-name name even if he did go covert which, as moderator, he might logically do. Swopwith has been out of sorts over spawn killing lately, but again, he's too honorable a player to "spy" as a nameless cheater even if he were to "spy".

What is it about this game that engenders such fierce senses of indignation, revenge-lust, vigilantism and moral outrage? I think there are better ways to play than spawn killing. I think, too, that anytime you put more than one person in a room together you're going to have conflicts and disagreements about "right and wrong". Put 40k of 'em in a virtual "room" and you'd damn well better get okay with spawn killing, team killing, verbal abuse, invisible snipers and racist/sexist/homophobic pigs. Aside from the latter they almost all exist in one gray area or another. Life is comprised of gray areas no "council" can clear up. Welcome to the microcosm of the "real world" that is Dogfight.

Swop, I got taunted and verbally abused by a Falcon the other day. I know he isn't representative of the code to which your clan tries to adhere. Neither are some other Falcons. No amount of vetting and training and evaluation and "FF forever" is ever going to render your filtering system impenetrable to the occasional sleepless night, bad day at the office, personal tragedy, or flat out bad apple...you get my point. We're all human, we have moments when we slip. Nobody's perfect. I myself got called out yesterday or the day before for "spawning on deck". "Wig, what's wrong? That isn't your style." These were players I barely knew or didn't know at all. Reputations carry across this entire community. So, yeah, I was ashamed. Sput was, I hope, ashamed when I called him out for going no-name rogue. Streetsbadnews is not known as a spawner or abusive player, neither is DIESEL, nopr is anyone I know of in M.O.M. I should be a notorious sniper on deck, I do it enough! 111th KptnSingh, a good friend and good Falcon, used to quit out of missions if anyone failed to promise, "No soldiers on deck." Now, with a little more balance and some deeper understanding of the difference between "cheating" and "tactics" - tactics which are, by the way, available to every single one of us so that playing field is nicely even - now...Singh and I have had some lovely sewing circle moments sharing red/blue sniper residence on a carrier together!

I've been asked for my views on "tactics" in general, spawn killing in particular, sniping on deck, the works. I'll go on record now as saying, "Uh...I dunno. Up to you, I guess." As Swop himself has said, spawning has its place. It also has the potential to be abusive. I have no compunction about taking a tank to the enemy base and blasting away in a CTC when I know there's a red sniper on a boat. Tit for tat. You won't let my guys land, fine...i won't let yours take off. Do the same to my team if you get the chance. We all know how to get around these situations - including simply quitting out of the game, something I've done a lot lately when it's that "swarm and spawn" feeding frenzy. It's absolutely no skin off my touch screen to quit out and join another game, and certainly nothing ignoble or dishonorable to spare yourself being someone's sitting duck.

Swop, I don't think the incident with Streets was typical of him. I've had moments when "I don't care" would've been mild compared to my own language. Utter frustration with the technical failings of the game can elicit some pretty un-wiggly words. Ask my friend 111th ShilohBiggs, he's seen me declare "This fking game is ridiculous and I'm through with it." And stronger words than that. Those aren't typical "wig moments" but they happen. I'd ask that you exercise your capacity for understanding and for forgiveness and let this one pass as "one of those things". If it happens with Streets again, we'll talk again. You know you can count on my word on that.

You, Strachan bashing cowardly "spy account" no-name? Drop the veil or drop the indignation. If you're someone I know, especially someone I know and like, I don't like how you're handling yourself. Simmo and I go back and forth on similar issues and don't always or often agree with each other's slant, but Rob doesn't hesitate to say what he thinks, AS HIMSELF, sticks to his guns when he feels he's right and admits when he may have been wrong. I hope I do the same. Your turn. Drop the dots, quit cheating then hypocritically calling someone as stand up as B a cheater, and let's initiate a productive discourse. "Spy account"? Really? Really? C'mon...

Gentlemen we are targets,
"MOM KILL!" I've seen it several times from many different players.
Some are from other squadrons.
For the rest of you...we pm!
Remember! Cheap shots will be rembered and passed on.

Has anyone seen or heard from Oedius? I haven't seen a comment from him for days. Did he go on vacation and didn't invite me?

Wig,

can you PM me the Falcon who abused you? These incidents are VERY rare. This is the first time I have ever heard of a Falcon do this since the "crackdown" about 7 months ago. I'm the Chaplain so my tolerance is a little more "zero tolerance" than most. I think we ALL must set an example. Everyone makes mistakes but I believe that is not an excuse. One must "turn away from" the bad and try with all their heart to not do it again.

I accept the MOM apology and I'm not "harsh" by any means nor have I ever been in the first place toward streetbadnews. I appreciate you addressing this and taking care of it. The great thing for people to know is spawnkilling is only to help a teammate bomb or yourself to bomb and only at that time (period). All else is not part of the game for honor. I know it wasn't your intention but you mentioned Swop and support of spawnkilling in a little tiny bit more "positive way" than is reality of the ol' Swop.

Well done again Wig.., but da***t I almost had the alphabet recited.....now I gotta start over..



Ohh and just in case my Dent get's thrown in as a no name.....Never done it..Never will..I play to have fun. Some one shot a hole in my dress.....Not fun....
If ya got a bomb on yer belly it's not spawnkilling.......
My Dress My Dress......

Hey another one to watch out for Shoot red ones...very good group captain from finnland 60 Kills 12 deaths very impressive told him to intro him self on site great guy...Shoot red ones wow kIcked my ass bad worse than you did today wiggy...I say let this guy in.....

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: Gentlemen we are targets,
"MOM KILL!" I've seen it several times from many different players.
Some are from other squadrons.
For the rest of you...we pm!
Remember! Cheap shots will be rembered and passed on.

AHHHHH ALWAYS REMEMBER "REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED COLD"

Devil, I played Shoot Red Ones a few times today, too. I hadn't had trouble with him before but today he was lighting me up like Macy's Xmas dept. Can't be sure what was at fault; his skill, my suckage, or the fact that I was trying to play on the gf's first gen iPad. The transition from my phone to that beast is like going from playing on a Felix the Cat flicker ring to swinging a frickin' cinder block. "Aim", I'm afraid, was nowhere near my repertoire. "Dead", on the other hand, was a specialty. To be frank I suspect(ed) Shoot Red Ones to be a ringer. Same goes for Z_(40). If these two aren't established aces in disguise I'll eat my uncle's monkey. Take it as a compliment, you two, I don't eat a monkey for just any old Wing Commander.

. Wigbomb wrote: Devil, I played Shoot Red Ones a few times today, too. I hadn't had trouble with him before but today he was lighting me up like Macy's Xmas dept. Can't be sure what was at fault; his skill, my suckage, or the fact that I was trying to play on the gf's first gen iPad. The transition from my phone to that beast is like going from playing on a Felix the Cat flicker ring to swinging a frickin' cinder block. "Aim", I'm afraid, was nowhere near my repertoire. "Dead", on the other hand, was a specialty. To be frank I suspect(ed) Shoot Red Ones to be a ringer. Same goes for Z_(40). If these two aren't established aces in disguise I'll eat my uncle's monkey. Take it as a compliment, you two, I don't eat a monkey for just any old Wing Commander.

Use the joy stick on pad, easier and safer than swinging a pad around.

I don't know the MOM Squad's policy regarding this behavior, but the pics tell the story.

Look I'm sorry if I mad you mad.
But if you noticed dots (..) was in that game too but another awhile back he was spawnkilling everyone in my team.
You noticed he left, same way i did when he did to me.
But I stopped when I saw you were getting agitated. Which was around kill 9 I think

I don't get it. Someone explain ...

Yea, please explain....I think I need to pull my brain outa Mucks blender after that one...







I get it now......tank in right side of picture.....uh ohhhhh
Kinda like the time ya turned around and team killed me huh sput.... cause ya were bored....LMAO

. Wigbomb wrote: Devil, I played Shoot Red Ones a few times today, too. I hadn't had trouble with him before but today he was lighting me up like Macy's Xmas dept. Can't be sure what was at fault; his skill, my suckage, or the fact that I was trying to play on the gf's first gen iPad. The transition from my phone to that beast is like going from playing on a Felix the Cat flicker ring to swinging a frickin' cinder block. "Aim", I'm afraid, was nowhere near my repertoire. "Dead", on the other hand, was a specialty. To be frank I suspect(ed) Shoot Red Ones to be a ringer. Same goes for Z_(40). If these two aren't established aces in disguise I'll eat my uncle's monkey. Take it as a compliment, you two, I don't eat a monkey for just any old Wing Commander.

Speaking of variable performance based on choice of device, what I'd like to see (in addition to squad wars .. whenever that happens) is the ability to have matches between people based on device, or operating system, or even specific planes.

iOS teams versus android teams ... Phone vs tablet ... All red tripes vs all spads. Wouldn't that be cool?

new jersey devil wrote: Hey guys I'm back just had sinus surgery yesturday...It sucks can't breath ....I'm try to play a little today.

here's to a fast recovery get well soon

. Wigbomb wrote: Devil, I played Shoot Red Ones a few times today, too. I hadn't had trouble with him before but today he was lighting me up like Macy's Xmas dept. Can't be sure what was at fault; his skill, my suckage, or the fact that I was trying to play on the gf's first gen iPad. The transition from my phone to that beast is like going from playing on a Felix the Cat flicker ring to swinging a frickin' cinder block. "Aim", I'm afraid, was nowhere near my repertoire. "Dead", on the other hand, was a specialty. To be frank I suspect(ed) Shoot Red Ones to be a ringer. Same goes for Z_(40). If these two aren't established aces in disguise I'll eat my uncle's monkey. Take it as a compliment, you two, I don't eat a monkey for just any old Wing Commander.

he does like to use that skinny fokker EIII so head on isnt the best option.Z 40 has been playing well too.

You're a great pilot Sputnik and you don't need to stoop to spawn killing. As for dots; if you were only spawning them then I would not have a problem, but that was not the case. Besides frustrating me, this frustrates others as well...especially newer players. It's my understanding that the game needs new players to survive. Not to mention its more enjoyable with a large diversity of opponents.

--J-- wrote: I don't know the MOM Squad's policy regarding this behavior, but the pics tell the story.

Not cool I was playing today got tank into there base killing hangers. Then when I shot at some hangers a plain showed up and I killed him by accident. Said sorry killing a plain with tank before he takes off is not cool

B Strachan wrote:

new jersey devil wrote: Hey guys I'm back just had sinus surgery yesturday...It sucks can't breath ....I'm try to play a little today.

here's to a fast recovery get well soon

Hay man I had that surgery when I was little. It stinks i couldn't eat anything for a day and when I came out I couldn't breath at all I managed one word "Teddy" which was my bear I had with me.

Welcome back Mean Ole, no tight turns for awhile huh.

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