Muck is just mucked upped in the head

[e]Sputnik wrote: Muck is just mucked upped in the head

No more skittles for you young man!

Oh if someone called bratwurst, banker, banner, I forget, ask clay god he might remember, if he comes looking to get in or is seen with a MOM tag, KILL!!! Immediately..throughout a couple of games he begs to be a tank then when he is one begs not to be killed, then I find the little sh!!!!t sat on a base beside some guy from tiger sharks spawn killing, now I don't have a problem with that in itself, but to beg to be turned into a tank then beg not to be killed so he has a clear run to a base...,sorry but he must die in a horrible slow agonising way, Big Tex's BBQ springs to mind, on a spit.
Incidentally clay was a bloody diamond. Fly with me any time.

Just to clarify, the above spawn killing was in a FFA game

Anyone know who luigi 956 is?

I couldn't "quote" the message on Diesel...banner was too wide I think.

Some points to consider:

With regards to the inappropriate comments...when does "It's a game u dill heads" and "lol get a life" really jump over the line of inappropriatenesseseses (Bopes...spell check that word for me)? If this is the line then I would suggest it's jumped nearly every game.

With regards to spawn killing, what MOM rule was broken? We do have Rule 4 but this covers "team killing, spawn killing (shooting at the comic book character Spawn) or spawn raping (we don’t recommend raping anyone but if you must, we recommend you try to rape Spawn)." So, unless you have a screen shot of the comic book character Spawn getting shot or being raped then I'm not sure what MOM is to do with this information. As a side note, why does MOM care so much that we don't kill Spawn but we're OK with raping him?

In all seriousness, and please understand that I speak only for myself on this, I have an issue with all of the complaining going on in-game/in-forum with spawn killing. I was in a recent Zep game and everyone was yapping at a top ace for spawn killing. I'm sorry, he was protecting the Zep by not letting you (universal you...not you you..not to be confused with yo-yo) get off the ground. Why in the world does he have to let (in this case) a superior force get off the runway to take down the ship he is charged with protecting? What strange world do you (or yo-yo) live in?

Every DF mode with the exception of FFA is team based. I see no problem with someone keeping the opposing team locked down either by plane or tank in these modes. Don't like it, get your team organized and take the offender out. Worried about your stats then leave. Side note, when did the definition of spawn killer get so global that it covers the one plane being chased by 3 opposing planes while he some how makes an airport pass and takes down a plane taking off? I guess this is spawn killing...I just call that mad skills.

I keep hearing the word dishonorable when it comes to criticizing the spawn killer. Come on...the game allows these tactics. When you play Monopoly and pass GO do you forgo the $200? When you play Battleship and hit their carrier do you tell them to forget it and just move it to another space? I understand that each individual has a personal morality to parts of this game, but I draw the line on forcing my morality to others.

Oh, and to be sure, I have been spawn killed (not that enjoyable) and even spawn raped (honestly...not that bad) and I really understand the arguments against it. I guess it's late and I've grown tired of the unwritten unenforceable rules of DF.

In conclusion...none of this is directed at any one person and certainly not a squad. I tend to like more the squads and players that hold themselves up to a higher moral standard. 90% of the time I'd like to think that I'm one of these players...hey, nobody is perfect.

In conclusion (yeah, I know I lied before), I can't get the following quote out of my mind, "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "Thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!" (Try to get past the point that the man saying the quote was guilty of killing a guy...not important in this context.)

. Wigbomb wrote: Check your spelling, Bama. Do you mean D I E S E L, Dibley or LosDiablo? (by the way, Diablo, your name means "Those Devil"...ElDiablo would be "The Devil". LosDiablos" would be "Those Devils". Sput, am I in the ballpark?)

Claro que si.

This is among the failings of this forum; you can't tell a player from his/her forum name. Obviously the note from K...something...was from D I E S E L. Diesel, apology accepted. Refer to Zandor's eloquent post for further thoughts on "game" v. "reality". I'd love a little less "diil head" talk in game (just don't see the need of it) but that's up to you. Von Pay is, like most Falcons I know, a stand-up, honorable character. Likewise D I E S E L in my experience. We can argue the point of whether spawning is ruining the game or just one more part of the game. It’s up to your judgment. I’ve tanked a plane or three in my time. Using a tank as a viable weapon, using a plane to “cap” a base or carrier in order to let your bombers get through, these are arguably valid strategies. I won’t weigh in on it. Splattering scores of planes from the air or the ground just to run up your score or get to 15 first? NOT what M.O.M is about. Von Pay, thanks for the heads-up. Diesel, if you can chill on the smack talk, I'd appreciate it. You are representing M.O.M and while we who have retained our grasp of the line between reality and fantasy all recognize that this is only a game, we're also real people behind the game names and behavior. Otherwise why point out that you're a farmer and family man? You get tons of my respect for that but it also illustrates the point; yes, it's a game, but one with real, substantive people and behavior does actually count for something. Just as your admirable profession counts.

While I'm off on a rant:

STOP flying under assumed names. NOW. If you choose to fly anonymously, at the very least do it without the M.O.M tag. Common sense, no? Case in point:

Sput, quit screwing around as a no-name invisible pilot and get back on the path to enlightenment through CAKE, fercrissakes. We all grouse about no-name “cheaters” and you’re out there as one, flying under the M.O.M colors? C’mon, Sput, use your head.

Anyone getting ideas about “going vigilante”, STOP. IT’S A GAME. Michael, Bigpoppasmurf…probably no longer accessing the forum…got way too serious about hunting down impostors, team killers, etc. You all read his posts. Can we learn nothing from his example? Like, as in, “Chill out and just play.”?

Listen, “Mature” squad; we’ve just lost Junkhole61, a top 100 player and all ‘round decent guy, for precisely this kind of childishness. (Junk, even if that wasn’t your stated reason for leaving I’m attributing the decision to this squad getting “too big” as you said, and, consequently, out of control.) I find that unacceptable. You all should, too.

Streetsbadnews; dude, you got voted in weeks ago! You've been a M.O.M without realizing it? Check the thread more often, broheim. You need to get the tag and your banner that's collecting dust on photobucket.com. PM me or post here and let us know you saw this.

RacinMadness, recruited by Coop, is already bearing the tag so I guess he's in. I vote "IN", in any case. Or, wait, was it Dem Air Force + ? I'm gonna go talk to Muck's cat...

Flyingmuck wrote: Anyone know who luigi 956 is?

A German hand gun??

Spawn kill a mom is not nice and we must be nice to beginners but.
Spawn kill a level 23 falcon 111 member. he shud have a medal.
yes hehe diesel shud have a medal for making a falcon m ember come all the way to mom tread for wining about it.

. Wigbomb wrote: Sput, quit screwing around as a no-name invisible pilot and get back on the path to enlightenment through CAKE, fercrissakes. We all grouse about no-name “cheaters” and you’re out there as one, flying under the M.O.M colors? C’mon, Sput, use your head.

Yeah bro honestly, you have no clue how pissed people were with you doing that crap. I was getting ready to quit because of the invisible cheat BS.

Stop flying under assumed names??? So does that mean that I can no longer be "You MAd Bro?" or "Horses and Bayonets"? or my personal fav "Allahu Ackbar!!"?

I see two distinct schools of thoughts on this. One school favors keeping good form, and not taking unnecessary opportunities to exploit your red adversaries weaknesses. Play fair, after all there are kids who play this game. They seem to see the game as a much more sporting affair.

The other school applies more of the Sun Tzu philosophy - win at all costs. Those who have been in the military tend to lean more in this direction. After all, we were trained that to win wars you don't die for your country, you make the other poor slobs die for theirs. When a weapon is placed in your hands, you employ it efficiently and ruthlessly. That's how you win. This camp views this as a war game, and therefore apply what/how they've been conditioned to fight to a warfighting game.

Since there is no consensus as to which school of thought is better we get a mixture of both, with extremes at both. Some players seem to only want to jack up their personal scores and could care less about completing the mission objectives. Others get frustrated because they are trying to win the game fair and square and get frustrated and may leave the gave for what they perceive as a spirit of uncooperation.

What I like best about MOM is that we have a mixture of both schools of thought and players who can seamlessly flow from one mode to the other; I can be in a game with Zandor or Scheisse or Muck for example and one or two of them will concentrate on flying "counterair" until they get to the base/carrier where they'll switch to "air suppression". Meanwhile the others of us will slowly lug our bombs over to eventually blow up whatever it is we need to destroy so that strategically we will win the game. I've seen us drop our bombs, then take over the "air suppresion" role while the rest of us go back and reload. I think that the way we work together is what draws so many people to want to be MOMs or claim to be MOMs or fly our tag unwarrantedly because WE realize that there's no limit to the good you can do because we don't care who takes the credit.

I personally have had to learn to tone down my smack talk because this was not afterall, a combat air wing briefing room where that level of machismo was needed to get the job done. It's a game,and it can be personally challenging for me to remember that from time to time. That's why I cherish the time I get to spend on this game with each of you because I have found a brotherhood (with some sistas) that share my mind set. I dunno, maybe we place a temporary moratorium on squadron recruiting for a month so that we can better evaluate some of the new recruits and get a chance to familiarize ourselves with them? Just an idea...

Completely different topic, but one that I would love to have your help with. I know that when you become an Immortal at level 31, that you get either new planes or new paint schemes for your plane. I think I've seen the German, and I think it's an Albatross, and it looks black and white striped to me. Does the same thing happen with the Allied planes? Is it a Sopwith Snipe or something? A new paint scheme? For those of you who've completed your 12 Labors of Hercules and have been thusly rewarded, can you help a brutha out and take a pic so that I can see please?

Big Tex wrote: Stop flying under assumed names??? So does that mean that I can no longer be You MAd Bro?

I saw this and I laughed at the nice troll attempt.

Big Tex wrote: Allahu Ackbar!!?

Then I saw this. You racist too bro? Seriously? I don't think M.O.M tolerates racism. Even if it is just a game. I know I wouldn't.

Big Tex wrote: They seem to see it as a much more sporting affair.

Because its a game! I'm 21 and even I consider it more of a sporting affair!

Big Tex wrote: Sun Tzu

Sun Tzu was a military strategist, and a mathematician. He developed the art of war. He was not an actual soldier. While he did believe that you should win at all costs, that was not his philosophy.

People have lost their minds in DF Land.. I have received a PM from some wacko who threatened me and my family... Now how in the heck ( hell) do you do that in this fictitious world. I have reported him to Slenderman and next is Zupperman. People are living their real lives through this game and are probably a threat to society. Forcrisake.. I don't know what I did to get this idiots attention, but he is pissed at me for something.. Could be, he's a Mayan..

Oh well, tune in next week..... Next MOM will be on the nations Sexual Predators List for Spawn Raping...

Dlcoates1 wrote:

Big Tex wrote: Stop flying under assumed names??? So does that mean that I can no longer be You MAd Bro?

I saw this and I laughed at the nice troll attempt.

Big Tex wrote: Allahu Ackbar!!?

Then I saw this. You racist too bro? Seriously? I don't think M.O.M tolerates racism. Even if it is just a game. I know I wouldn't.

Big Tex wrote: They seem to see it as a much more sporting affair.

Because its a game! I'm 21 and even I consider it more of a sporting affair!

Big Tex wrote: Sun Tzu

Sun Tzu was a military strategist, and a mathematician. He developed the art of war. He was not an actual soldier. While he did believe that you should win at all costs, that was not his philosophy.

Gonna address these one at a time. For about 4 days I flew as "you mad bro?" not because of some silly meme or troll (had to google even what that meant) but beacuse of a tweet sent out by Richard Sherman of the Seahawks after Tom Brady was taunting the Seahawks defense during the game about what the final score was going to be. I like sarcasm and irony, and thought to the more enlightened it would be an amusing four or five days. It just got me more attention in the skies from everyone. And I was correctly reminded that Tommy Boy has several SB rings and a smoking hot Carioca that he's lucky enough to call Mrs. Brady.

As I mentioned before, there is a part of me that likes to yank your chain, hence the mention of Allahu Ackbar. I disagree with you 100% that this is racist. Using a disparaging term for the muslim community would deem me racist IMO, but I know that not enough players would understand my humor or my intentions, that's why I never flew with the banner. Would have LOVED to see the reaction however!

Sun Tzu was a soldier, in fact was a military general during the Hu dynasty of the late 6th century BC. He treatise "The Art of War" was a required textbook in one of my military history classes. You are right in that as a work of military science, it has transended the centuries because the applications are true whether fighting in ancient China, or using 21st century weapons on land, sea, air or space. But what also sets it apart is that included in his work are how a kingdom must administer its affairs wisely,and that not all battles can be won on the field - diplomacy at the right time was stressed as just as important to the king as military prowess.

Looks like you guys are melting down. Getting awfully heated about assumed names, spawn killing, vigilanteism, desertion, petty racism and how to recruit only in your own image. Mean Old Men is looking more like Lord of the Flies to me. I was hoping that Coats' comments about Sun Tsu would promote some adult discussion, but sadly it too quickly slipped back to the usual stuff. I keep coming back to the thread in the hope that I might be encouraged to re-apply for membership, but I don't think I'm compatible.

I don't know why but this luigi 956 pm'd me twice, he really wants to be in MOM, why did he pick on me and do we know him and up to point I agree with Simmo, we seem to be in some sort of melt down, everyone is trying to be deadly serious and funny at the same time, or really funny and deadly serious at the same time, I think one of the things that Sun Tzu taught is that sometimes you must retreat in order to win, ie retreat and evaluate the conditions as they have changed so that you may change your tactics and order of battle to suit and so be victorious and the battle may not even be fought on the field, but in the tea house.
Some adult discourse is at times needed and welcomed, but the great thing about this thread, this squad is you can just be totally stupid and nobody gives a hoot, where else, in what other game could I send my sheep out to graze in no-mans land.
Spawn killing, how do you define this term, what are the parameters ?
I personally see it as a legit tactic, second game I was ever in I got spawn killed so I posted that a tank was on the base, someone came back and dealt with it and a tank takes time to reload, that's your que to get of the fuckin ground! I've been tank spawn killed by members of the falcons, enigma and tiger sharks and nlr, so fuckin what!!
I've members of every squad this one included spawn kill with planes, christ! do you think we warned the enemy in the last war we were going to sneak in and blow up their bloody planes while they were on the ground, did we get on the blower to the local Luftwaffe commander and say "look old chap we've got a few of our spits coming over to give you jolly good straffing, should be there just before lunch so if you get your chaps to scramble, you know give em a bit of a chance ay what". I should bloody coco!!
The one time I do not like spawn killing is in FFA, there is no reason or purpose to it than the greed to up your kills and rank and collect coin to upgrade your plane, if you want a better plane that much do what I did, buy the bloody thing! The only time for a tank in FFA is if it's the best way to take out another tank or if everyone hollers TANK WAR!!!! Now soldier on carrier, why the hell not! You just fought for that bloody carrier, so the rest of the team are getting shredded or doing whatever what's wrong the little guy holding the carrier, he has very limited ammo and if you know how he can be killed, if you don't know how tuff, bloody well find out for yourselves. I've been a soldier on the carrier and been able to tell the rest of the team get the west/east one I got this one, it's called winning.
And once or twice I've ended up as a tank on enemy carrier in BTC games, I always ask ok guys what do I do, meaning get the fuck off or shell the bloody thing. I'm sorry a few naughty words have crept in but on the whole I'm pissed off!
Now as my cat said (translation) "get out there and shred some ass before I shred your frigin nose again" she's quite a nice cat really.
Oh before I go I don't like assumed names in game, you chose your in game name at the start, you should bloody stick with it, it's ok to change slightly or add to as was the case for Duckwing, but otherwise, you chose it in the first place, live with it!

Think I've said enough for a weeks worth of visits to the thread so I'm going away for while, I'm taking the cat with me and Big Tex, leave my sheep alone!! Ne pas BBQ!!!

One more thing, I hate no names, that's cowardly in my book.

bopes wrote:

k man wrote: OMG for those who think this is more then a game....GET A LIFE !!! I'm one of the last American family farmers and a vet , I,ve got a very demanding life with little time off, so when I have a chance to disconnect from the real world I do and I play the GAME and so does my son when he's got his chores done, so members of MOM I apologize for attending you of I have and if you wish I will take a leave from the MOM squadron. Its sad how guys don't care where their food comes from , but get so worked up about how a GAME is played . So keep taking pic n bitch in but don't do it with a mouth full of food!!!!

That you, Diesel?

Ha! Bopes, I fear that you are right...

I don't feel good saying this, but sadly, few days ago I was in a game, same team as Diesel; I became surprised when I saw him spawnkilling with a tank. I asked him to stop that, and even said that he doesn't need to do dirty-gaming, because after all he is an Ace - but he just answered saying something about being bored, and having some dirty-fun, whatever...
I am upset seeing this coming from an ace, really... How sad.

Dlcoates1 wrote:

Big Tex wrote: Stop flying under assumed names??? So does that mean that I can no longer be You MAd Bro?

I saw this and I laughed at the nice troll attempt.

Big Tex wrote: Allahu Ackbar!!?

Then I saw this. You racist too bro? Seriously? I don't think M.O.M tolerates racism. Even if it is just a game. I know I wouldn't.

Big Tex wrote: They seem to see it as a much more sporting affair.

Because its a game! I'm 21 and even I consider it more of a sporting affair!

Big Tex wrote: Sun Tzu

Sun Tzu was a military strategist, and a mathematician. He developed the art of war. He was not an actual soldier. While he did believe that you should win at all costs, that was not his philosophy.

Sun Tzu, Sun Wu, whatever, was the highest ranking general in the kings army, he was,a strategist, that makes him a mathematician of sorts, it also makes him a philosopher, the ancient Chinese would attribute many callings to one man, even if he did not have them, in fact even if he did not exist, much simpler to say this or that was built or written by Zachary Taylor than to list every president you've ever had.

Holy crap!

Anyhoo .... I agree/disagree with everything everyone just said, except the parts that I neither disagree/agree with. Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes), like the song (of myself) says.

Someday I'll write it all down. Not now though. I'll just add a few short bits:

Spawnkilling: I wouldn't give a flying muck about it except for the fact that Von Pay posted a grievance on our thread. The moral pros and cons of it have already been discussed ad nauseum. Personally I'm for it except when I'm against it. As a matter of form though, tank spawn killing in a CTC game is about the douche-iest/most-strategically-brilliant you can get. Ive had WAMP do this to my team once. In a CTC game, there's only one respawn point per team, and everyone is usually focused on the carriers. By the time the spawn-killed team realizes what's happening, it's possible the entire team could get funneled into the tank meat grinder with no hope of escape. Game over. Score one for sun tzu and/or douche-baggery. but since someone objected I figured we should at least ask Diesel to give his side. If k man is him, he did! I will never eat food while pic'n and bitchin' again!

Tank spawn killing in other missions? Meh. In FF especially it's no big deal because you can respawn elsewhere. In bombing games if you manage to get there with a tank, good on you, fire away!

So anyway, I kind of wondered if Von Pay was spoofing us with that complaint ("dill heads"?), in response to Paul's complaint about Owlduck, the circumstances of which are similar in that no actual game rules were broken by either "offender" and there's no way to actually enforce any other "social norm" rules. But we sure can try to with these thread meltdowns, can't we?

Re this luigi character: I saw him in game yesterday. He kept asking to join my "clan". I kept trying to tell him how to do it (read thread, post request, await vote, etc.) He kept saying "how..." Game ended. Then today he pm'd me twice. Same thing. Except the second time he said he really likes my "clan," the falcons!

Finally, kopf I'm sorry you're being threatened. Not cool. Have you heard back from Zupe?

Flyingmuck wrote:

The striker16 wrote: I talk to my cat sometimes his name is Disney I also have a dog named Yogi lets just say my family likes movies!! Lol:silly:

But does yours talk back to you....in mandarin, well that's what it sounds like!

Wow impressive but mines talks back to me in Latin during his karate lesson while studying trigonometry at the same time.

The striker16 wrote:

Flyingmuck wrote:

The striker16 wrote: I talk to my cat sometimes his name is Disney I also have a dog named Yogi lets just say my family likes movies!! Lol:silly:

But does yours talk back to you....in mandarin, well that's what it sounds like!

Wow impressive but mines talks back to me in Latin during his karate lesson while studying trigonometry at the same time.

Latin, easy, trig, easy, karate, hmm look down both barrels of this beautifully crafted purdy and say cheese

Simmo wrote: Looks like you guys are melting down. Getting awfully heated about assumed names, spawn killing, vigilanteism, desertion, petty racism and how to recruit only in your own image. Mean Old Men is looking more like Lord of the Flies to me. I was hoping that Coats' comments about Sun Tsu would promote some adult discussion, but sadly it too quickly slipped back to the usual stuff. I keep coming back to the thread in the hope that I might be encouraged to re-apply for membership, but I don't think I'm compatible.

1 - About "melting down": Don't exaggerate, bud. Period.

2 - About "getting heated" about these things:
a) "assumed names": some MOM are talking about this matter, yes... But "getting heated"? Cmon...
b) "spawn killing": yes, this matter is controversial, and it doesn't hurt talking about this. It's a forum. Forums are made for talking about things. In this case, the main thing is the game. What is wrong on talking about things that are related to the game? You will see many players talking about spawnkilling, because it IS a controversial subject "here in Gameland".
c) "vigilanteism": regarding this, I confess that I see no point on hunting some players that uses the MOM tag without being accepted - but again, I don't think that this "vigilanteism" is a reason for "getting heated"...
d) "desertion": Wow! What a tough word to use here! Aren't you exaggerating a bit again????? This is not a war, man. It is a game. Some members are only talking about one or two guys that left the squad - what is the big deal? Some of this member forums became friends of each other, so what is wrong in talking about this? What is wrong about commenting their friends leaving the squad?? Again, nobody is "getting heated" because of this - only you is seeing it.
e) racism: Wow again! I am a white man, married with a beautiful black woman, and I have a cute little "brown" daughter... So, if you saw anyone here being racist, please let me know.

3 - And finally, about "adult discussion"... Ahem, most of us are 30-40-50-120 years old game players, including you; this place is for gaming subjects (mostly, of course, not entirely) - so, if you really miss serious discussions, maybe you should look for other forums, no? This is a game, remember.

And Muck, I think that spawn-killing can be considered by other people (not me, by the way) as a valid tactic, sometimes... But placing your tank in front of the very spawning point, to prevent the planes from taking off, only to have fun, or for "boring sake"?? Not fair play...

Pedrinho wrote:

Simmo wrote: Looks like you guys are melting down. Getting awfully heated about assumed names, spawn killing, vigilanteism, desertion, petty racism and how to recruit only in your own image. Mean Old Men is looking more like Lord of the Flies to me. I was hoping that Coats' comments about Sun Tsu would promote some adult discussion, but sadly it too quickly slipped back to the usual stuff. I keep coming back to the thread in the hope that I might be encouraged to re-apply for membership, but I don't think I'm compatible.

1 - About "melting down": Don't exaggerate, bud. Period.

2 - About "getting heated" about these things:
a) "assumed names": some MOM are talking about this matter, yes... But "getting heated"? Cmon...
b) "spawn killing": yes, this matter is controversial, and it doesn't hurt talking about this. It's a forum. Forums are made for talking about things. In this case, the main thing is the game. What is wrong on talking about things that are related to the game? You will see many players talking about spawnkilling, because it IS a controversial subject "here in Gameland".
c) "vigilanteism": regarding this, I confess that I see no point on hunting some players that uses the MOM tag without being accepted - but again, I don't think that this "vigilanteism" is a reason for "getting heated"...
d) "desertion": Wow! What a tough word to use here! Aren't you exaggerating a bit again????? This is not a war, man. It is a game. Some members are only talking about one or two guys that left the squad - what is the big deal? Some of this member forums became friends of each other, so what is wrong in talking about this? What is wrong about commenting their friends leaving the squad?? Again, nobody is "getting heated" because of this - only you is seeing it.
e) racism: Wow again! I am a white man, married with a beautiful black woman, and I have a cute little "brown" daughter... So, if you saw anyone here being racist, please let me know.

3 - And finally, about "adult discussion"... Ahem, most of us are 30-40-50-120 years old game players, including you; this place is for gaming subjects (mostly, of course, not entirely) - so, if you really miss serious discussions, maybe you should look for other forums, no? This is a game, remember.

And Muck, I think that spawn-killing can be considered by other people (not me, by the way) as a valid tactic, sometimes... But placing your tank in front of the very spawning point, to prevent the planes from taking off, only to have fun, or for "boring sake"?? Not fair play...

I agree with that last bit Ped it's what I've always said,..........wtf am I doing back here!!!! GARRRR!
just love the way you put that, about your daughter made me wanna give you a big hug (manly type) I've got 4 little little brown nephews and 1 little brown niece, whom sometimes her mother and I would gladly trade in for an ashtray of buttends! Not really.

Hug accepted, Muck!

Edit: And I agree with you: using no name during game is cowardly - Except for Sput! Being a kid, he has the right to make some wrong things...

salento wrote: Spawn kill a mom is not nice and we must be nice to beginners but.
Spawn kill a level 23 falcon 111 member. he shud have a medal.
yes hehe diesel shud have a medal for making a falcon m ember come all the way to mom tread for wining about it.

Hi salento,
I do hate to say extra words. I am here as 1st leader in command of 111th Falcon Squadron just informing you the report I got. No extra comment or words, I don't care about other squad's standard or business. So, it is not a Falcon member coming all the way for wining about it.

bopes wrote: So anyway, I kind of wondered if Von Pay was spoofing us with that complaint ("dill heads"?), in response to Paul's complaint about Owlduck, the circumstances of which are similar in that no actual game rules were broken by either "offender" and there's no way to actually enforce any other "social norm" rules. But we sure can try to with these thread meltdowns, can't we?

Hey bopes, I am not spoofing in response to Paul's complaint. First of all, Owlduck is NOT a falcon. He is just in the recruitment program, he may become a Falcon later. But, now, since he is not a Falcon, 111th Squad has no responsibility for him. However, I did inform the Owlduck about what is said about him. I am waiting for the reply. We have our own standards, we keep them. So, no, I am not spoofing, and I will never do it. Thank you.

I have noticed several posts are badly formated (the right margin is hiding text).
While this issue is not fixed, the only workaround to read the entire message is by copy-paste the text in notepad.
Unfortunately, this workaround doesn't allow us to hit the quote button...

Thanks Von Pay, no offense intended!

I would regard it as a personal favor if we could all refrain from commenting in any negative way whatsoever on other squadrons. Many M.O.M's are former members of other squadrons and still maintain friendships with ex squadmates. There's no reason I know of to justify unfavorable remarks about any other squad in the first place, whether public or private. Keep in mind that more people read this thread than read any other thread on the forum. Comments made here are not private, they're accessible to the entire community including the person or persons being discussed. Thanks.

Again, Von Pay, if you were at all offended by anything I wrote, please accept my unreserved apologies. That was absolutely NOT my intent!

I should have added "I doubt it" to the "spoof" comment.

. Wigbomb wrote: I would regard it as a personal favor if we could all refrain from commenting in any negative way whatsoever on other squadrons. Many M.O.M's are former members of other squadrons and still maintain friendships with ex squadmates. There's no reason I know of to justify unfavorable remarks about any other squad in the first place, whether public or private. Keep in mind that more people read this thread than read any other thread on the forum. Comments made here are not private, they're accessible to the entire community including the person or persons being discussed. Thanks.

Fully agree.

I hope my earlier soap box speech was not taken as an offense to any one person or squad. I tried to make that clear in the post. Just trying to look at the spawn killing argument in a larger context. Full respect to the 111th and their members...I've never met a "bad apple" in the bunch. Same goes for the little 'e' squad. Now Luna's band of misfits...well, that's a different story!