Hey there, hope you guys are all well. So I have a few things to say here. First off, thanks to you few that have tried to pick up the pieces despite all the nonsense (here and elsewhere). I can't play anymore. It's not that I don't want to, but for me the game is all kinds of crazy jacked up. I'm on iPad so I've been in the same boat as others with that. I seemed to be getting by with my plan to not upgrade till the latest version had time to be tweaked. I've used this system for the last couple of years and it seemed to be good. I would watch as others jumped on straight away only to be let down. Once the fix patches went through and I saw enough reporting that it was ok I'd update. So I was playing on a old version that seemed stable enough. Not sure what happened but the game auto updated and now I can't hardly get in. When I am able to get in the game it's completely unplayable for me. This has been going on for a few weeks now (or at least a couple of weeks...stupid dementia) Anyways, this has been the first time I was able to post anything for a while, once again not by choice. When I hit the reply button, it tells me I can't post to this thread and tells me I need to be logged in even though I already am. Not sure what happened this time that it let me in (could've been the crying or maybe I just "mashed" all the buttons at the same time) but I thought I better take advantage. I have nothing against Muck. I know he tried to step in to make a bad situation better. It doesn't seem to me that he has the time to do all the things necessary to get this place straightened out. I'm sure once things were solidified, the effort level would go down a bit like coasting downhill. Unfortunately, were climbing uphill, in the snow with no shoes on. (That will take some of you back in time..I can hear my parents now...) I like what you guys are doing with multiple people who are in charge to have coverage. As far as page one, I could go either way on that one. I like the original but would be happy with the new one you guys are working on as well. Guess if it's ever put to a vote and I can get on here I'll decide then. As far as members, I don't see the point of throwing new meat into the grinder until that baby is all polished up and the blade has been sharpened. Might I suggest we send out pm's to all that may still be involved about the roster. I would say a no reply would mean removal or at least moved to inactive. A safety net would be in game contact in case the player isn't here (forum) or even able to do pm's. From what I've seen here, it doesn't look like we even have 50 amongst us. I think one of the most important factors here, more so than any other is to get everybody under the same tag. Put the inactives somewhere else and let those who are here get first billing. At this point I'm not as concerned with hurt feelings, I mean we are basically self destructing here and those that have been away will always be welcomed but let's take care of business and say "fk it" to the sour grapes. As for that other game. I've played. I still do on occasion because at this point it's all I have. Guess what, WE HAVE LAG...AND GLITCHES...not so unlike this game when it worked properly. All in all, put up head to head on level playing ground (i.e. both games working realitively well) it's not even close. This game drives that tank into the ground. Will we ever see this game restored to past glory? Idk. But I'm willing to wait it out. Nothing has my love like aviation. A tank is not a good substitute. I've even taken a lookie look at that other thread though I don't post (honestly don't see myself getting involved on that level). All I can say is it's not a step up from what we had here, just more of the same and honestly not all that interesting. I will say in Mucks defense, I don't see him over there either (forum) for what that's worth. A couple of posts to say hello and that's about it. Unless of course he's part of that secret society to dominate the gaming world and internet. I'd laugh but I have the flu and would be afraid that I might crap myself. Anyhoo, once again thank you guys for trying to right the ship. I'd offer to help (and do offer to help) with what I can but given my ability to get on here right now I don't want to be a set back. I do read up at least a few times a week and sometimes daily so I will be lurking about watching, always watching to see where we end up. Best wishes and hope to see you guys again soon.

Well said Jimbo. This squad has stood still long enough, its time to move along. I have set back and waited for something to happen, so whatever the rest decides on I'll help in whatever way I can.

I still don't understand what glitches Apple users are suffering.I'm aware you are on a outdated version compared to the rest but if Davey can pull off an amazing 400+ kill game it can't be too broke.While I fly in the dark and Apple see me in broad daylight is not an advantage.I still get crashes and chat not working.The plane speeds are back up so the PC's can be whirly birds again.This game will never be perfect.The updates come thick and fast meaning on any major update there will be sync issues between platforms but I accepted that years ago.It is one mans tinkering toy which gives it a personal charm over anything out there.It has soul.


OK anyone have thoughts on who they would like to see as moderator and squad tinkerer.
Doggy
Gaw
Crazy
Tx
Gizmo
There are many more.
Anyone stupid brave enough to offer their services?

Time for cake while we ponder

Quit Bug J4ff wrote: I still don't understand what glitches Apple users are suffering.I'm aware you are on a outdated version compared to the rest but if Davey can pull off an amazing 400+ kill game it can't be too broke.While I fly in the dark and Apple see me in broad daylight is not an advantage.I still get crashes and chat not working.The plane speeds are back up so the PC's can be whirly birds again.This game will never be perfect.The updates come thick and fast meaning on any major update there will be sync issues between platforms but I accepted that years ago.It is one mans tinkering toy which gives it a personal charm over anything out there.It has soul.


OK anyone have thoughts on who they would like to see as moderator and squad tinkerer.
Doggy
Gaw
Crazy
Tx
Gizmo
There are many more.
Anyone stupid brave enough to offer their services?

Time for cake while we ponder

You left your name off that list.

Someone needs to have the reigns. That someone should consult with the group via this forum on major issues. A limited amount of time allowed for responses. As we have seen with our small active group, differing opinions will be a reality. The person with the reigns needs to fairly consider all positions and make a decision that will be in the best interest of the squad.

While we have collectively expressed differing opinions, most if not all have indicated they would go along with whatever was decided. I for one am used to manning up and saying yes dear when I don't get what I want.

Dare I ask who would be willing to throw their own hat into the ring?

I think the letters in red looks real good. The old dude kicks ass! Maybe shadow the letters in black to help it pop?

Doggy, just run with it. You got several new and old peeps at your service. Muck, Gizmo, YEMX, and Ka5ey were Star Chamber folks. I am sure we can come up with a group to oversee invites and standards. I'll do whatever you need.

Doggy Dix wrote: as tBuilt, our fellow neighbors moderator mentioned in a previous post, it's good if there are multiple moderators, nobody bothered to pull the load itself.

I have nothing personal against Muck ... just that I get pissed when he takes on the task and not giving it any time or interest ... it's a little piggish.

Yes I can be a moderator ... both in our tread and even active squad leader in the game.
Hopefully Muck realizes that he is not sufficiently active and therefore asks for help release to others who want to continue and is active, it would be the best solution.

I have one condition; GAW must be on the boat that will at least treadmoderator. then I want there to be Air Marshal, 2 pieces in each squad.

This is not a one-man business all know what happened with that thing, all that is now implicated in this must attend, we are at least ten of which are really active so now it's everyone's responsibility to do their bit for the future ...

volunteers path forward !!!

Here's a story that I think can be applied to the M.O.M thread and life to.

The two wolves
One evening and old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, my son, the battle is between two wolves inside us all. One is evil, it is angry, envious, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, ignorance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, both pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is good, it is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.

The young grandson thought about this for a minute or two and then ask his grandfather which Wolf wins?

The old Cherokee replied simply. The one that you feed...
I think of this story all the time it helps me not to dwell on the negative in life.

Doggy Dix wrote:

Doggy Dix wrote: Is it good enough as it is or...

the only thing i have thoughts about should the headline M.O.M be red or in blue ???

EDIT; now i have insert the grumpy old guy whit a gatling

Doggy Dix wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote:

M.O.M
The Mean Old Men of Dogfight

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We are a group of international people of mystery. We are certifiably mean, old, and manly at heart and some of body. We have one simple observance of etiquette:

THIS IS OUR LAWN!

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Nice, cute, funny, old guys… That’s sweet that they like their grass…


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Not convinced, huh? Gonna be the nice young punk to befriend the irascible old dude? Here’s what you need to know.
• M.O.M freaking loves cake!! Come back when you have cake!!
• We ain’t for newbs! No training wheels unless you are old and have vertigo!
• M.O.M has thick skin! Can’t take a joke... don´t care about jokes!
• World domination is for sucks,,, M.O.M dominates your soul!
o If you don’t believe in or have a soul, then world domination is still good!
• Brownies are delicious, chocolatey, and bready, but they are not CAKE!!!
• Fondant tastes like crap! Cakes are for eating not for show!
• Your mother loves you, but M.O.M will probably try to kill you, or mock you, or mock your dead flaming wreck as it plummets from the sky.
• Feel free to lay down and die from the shock and awe of seeing an enemy M.O.M!
• Feel free to fight M.O.M to achieve a glorious death.
• Rules?... Rules? M.O.M don’t need no stinking Rules!!! No newbs here, M.O.M knows the etiquette of our little community. Don’t be

“THAT GUY!”

Want to be a M.O.M?
• Get invited! NO DAMN SOLICITORS!!!

Shoot an email with the name of who referred you, your name, CAKE, a witty tag line, and a supreme unbendable oath to dominate and break the souls of the poor tweens, teens, millennials, Gen WHYers, Gen Xers, Boomers, and really old farts not in M.O.M, or at least your commitment to world domination, or your commitment to mercilessly mock your opponent.

• Post on the thread and get to know the gang. No Tupperware, Mary Kay, Avon, Herbalife, or any other pyramid racket! It ain’t that kind of party!






Current MOMandant: MIA
Admissions Board:

Current MOMrades:

That is pretty fricken good.

I like.

Doggy Dix wrote: as tBuilt, our fellow neighbors moderator mentioned in a previous post, it's good if there are multiple moderators, nobody bothered to pull the load itself.

I have nothing personal against Muck ... just that I get pissed when he takes on the task and not giving it any time or interest ... it's a little piggish.

Yes I can be a moderator ... both in our tread and even active squad leader in the game.
Hopefully Muck realizes that he is not sufficiently active and therefore asks for help release to others who want to continue and is active, it would be the best solution.

I have one condition; GAW must be on the boat that will at least treadmoderator. then I want there to be Air Marshal, 2 pieces in each squad.

This is not a one-man business all know what happened with that thing, all that is now implicated in this must attend, we are at least ten of which are really active so now it's everyone's responsibility to do their bit for the future ...

volunteers path forward !!!

Looks like we have a winner. Congrats Dog, I pledge to assist in any way I can. Just let me know what you need brother.

And now in the category of who gives a rats a**

Its time for my weekly stat update.

GAW has been busy keeping carrying the M.O.M banner and dishing out some terror in the skys.

Went from 170 to 162 in world rank.
964 kills, 368 deaths for a very respectable 2.62 kdr.
63 hangers
34 wins.

Oh by the way, I am playing on the Apple Ipad. Still waiting for the update.
I'll bet night flying is a hoot.

I too am at MOMs service, I don't post as often, but I am here and ingame EVERYDAY.

In reference to page 1, I think you did a great job, however I think we need to see some of the original page 1 in there somewhere. Graphics aside I don't know if TBO would
Consider it plagiarism or not but I think at the very least we need the original 11 rules we are still mom after all. As far as subs quads, I think we should keep track of all those who are active, this could be a job for gaws spreadsheet, and boot those from the main squad, in terms of their tag anyway,not active for 60 days or more. I've been saying this all along but I think we got too big I think we should, if possible, all fly under one tag tag and become very exclusive

In terms of moderator, I think there should be one, I thought it worked well not having so much bureaucracy, however a legitimate case can be made for multiple moderators.no matter the case in the absence of mock, I think we should do like the misfits and I have an election,

I also think it's important, that as long as they're interested, the front runner lead moderator should be someone who was and/or been in the Star chamber and hear the longest ideally if there are any left a founding member. While I don't know them that well, we seem to miss each other and game pretty often, I think gaw and Dix are great, but I think its important to have a veteran in the middle somewhere

Doggy Dix wrote:

GAW wrote:

Doggy Dix wrote: as tBuilt, our fellow neighbors moderator mentioned in a previous post, it's good if there are multiple moderators, nobody bothered to pull the load itself.

I have nothing personal against Muck ... just that I get pissed when he takes on the task and not giving it any time or interest ... it's a little piggish.

Yes I can be a moderator ... both in our tread and even active squad leader in the game.
Hopefully Muck realizes that he is not sufficiently active and therefore asks for help release to others who want to continue and is active, it would be the best solution.

I have one condition; GAW must be on the boat that will at least treadmoderator. then I want there to be Air Marshal, 2 pieces in each squad.

This is not a one-man business all know what happened with that thing, all that is now implicated in this must attend, we are at least ten of which are really active so now it's everyone's responsibility to do their bit for the future ...

volunteers path forward !!!

Looks like we have a winner. Congrats Dog, I pledge to assist in any way I can. Just let me know what you need brother.

GAW not so easy, hold your horses
I want you to voulenteer to the mod-job on the tread as well...are you on ?

I figure its gonna be, me you and Muck (if he still is interested, if not we need a third voulenteer)

Dog I will do what ever needs to be done. Mod-job whatever. I'm in. Not sure how Muck should figure in at this point.

I suppose, we need to determine an official way to make a final decision on this or we will not move forward.

I would like to see feedback from more members. Especially those who have been around much longer than I have.

D I E S E L wrote: Here's a story that I think can be applied to the M.O.M thread and life to.

The two wolves
One evening and old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, my son, the battle is between two wolves inside us all. One is evil, it is angry, envious, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, ignorance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, both pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is good, it is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.

The young grandson thought about this for a minute or two and then ask his grandfather which Wolf wins?

The old Cherokee replied simply. The one that you feed...
I think of this story all the time it helps me not to dwell on the negative in life.

Roger that.

It's finally sinking in, all that's happened since my absence.
I've dropped the MOM banner. That's out of respect for Wig as he put in time to create it.
Drop any misgivings about Muck. Muck is a good individual. Where is he? I don't know, hope it's on a beach somewhere with 5 hotbabes nearby, or men, whichever he prefers.........
I posted on the tank game forum to let Wig know I dropped the banner, anything I said there I would freely say here, but won't because I can't remember exactly what I said.....
Have fun with the game and the forum.. I'll be back from time to time.... I don't play like I used too and don't think I'll ever get back to that much gameplay.
Have fun.......

DentinheaD wrote: It's finally sinking in, all that's happened since my absence.
I've dropped the MOM banner. That's out of respect for Wig as he put in time to create it.
Drop any misgivings about Muck. Muck is a good individual. Where is he? I don't know, hope it's on a beach somewhere with 5 hotbabes nearby, or men, whichever he prefers.........
I posted on the tank game forum to let Wig know I dropped the banner, anything I said there I would freely say here, but won't because I can't remember exactly what I said.....
Have fun with the game and the forum.. I'll be back from time to time.... I don't play like I used too and don't think I'll ever get back to that much gameplay.
Have fun.......

Dent,

I wish you well and hope that you will stop in and say hi and check on us when you can. As I age, I find that I have come to realize how valuable time is and start thinking more and more about how I spend that precious time. I expect I too will reprioritize at some point and back away from this very time consuming addiction called Dog Fight.

Don't be a stranger.

Gj doggy
But
Where is our pinup
please

I just want to echo what Dent said. Muck took a beating and gave up some friendships to keep this group together. This is a game and is always second seat or more like 10th seat to real life goings on. I jump between here and the WoTB forum. I can't play WoTB (not Kindle supported), and I am satisfied with DF. I can say if Muck is heavy into WoTB, he is not kicking it on the Forum. As far as I am concerned, Muck is a certified OG MOM of DF. However, progress waits for no one, right. Doggy, I am at your service. I would be of more use on the thread than the game. I can usually access the thread easily. The game is a time luxury when I get to play. Also, I am not the greatest at the game, and thus not the poster child for MOM in actual combat. I have one page one request. Please put Clint back in there! If his people contact ours to take it down... well that would be awesome and we could quickly remove it.

I think Tex would make a great moderator and I for one am OK with Clint as well. Go ahead, make my day.

Well things are moving at last.
If I may explain my absence a little:I have been suspicious of things all along especially with what was being posted on the other game forum.If muck was too busy to take the role he could have said know but,I think he had a mission which failed due to the tenacity of DF MOM's wanting to keep a great squad alive over here.I felt it better to watch from a distance so as not to offend anyone as I found what was happening distasteful and disrespectful and was ready to shoot from the hip so to speak.
Now we move forwards with new impetus and hopefully some of the squad who felt they had to leave may come back.
We should ensure that we are never again in the position where We have the scenario of someone not being allowed to play so taking their ball.This is a great squad with great members and long may it last.The recent openness has been refreshing.
Anything I can do to assist just ask (including shutting up!!)

Simon

Glad you're back, Simon! (I know you never left) I have been on DF since July 2013. I have probably been a MOM since Octoberish 2013. Not the tenure of some, but not a newb. I really hope the original gang will rally back to the group. Never is a long time, so should TBO return to Dogfight, I would hope we welcome him back as well. TBO might like the game play over there better, but I know it is painful to be shut out from the Forum here.

Chris

I honestly one day everyone comes back-I hold no ills against anybody-just love for the MOM!!

I think we should give Muck a few days to respond to whats going on,then if he's not shown,we should take a vot on a new squad leader, and 3 or 4 marshals,so if there's anyone interested in been squad leader please put your names forward.the leaders job is not for me,but I would be happy to be a marshal.

Finally the Apple update has arrived!!!All is coming together!See you all in the air!!

bts wrote: Finally the Apple update has arrived!!!All is coming together!See you all in the air!!

Let's hope this ones a keeper for yous.Those night skies are really cool.I didn't notice any known constellations or is that just being pedantic. Also the new mission will be released which I haven't played yet.

Are you still knocking banners out G?I could do with a new one to celebrate the new dawn of MOM!I'll pay cake.

I know what your saying about having a veteran player as moderator as well.This list from the star chamber leaves 3 options and one(gizmo) has gracefully declined.(edit as Alzheimer's kicked in :Gizmo I would gladly see you as marshal of the original MOM squad along side Doggy and even leave Muck there in case he wants to play again.

The Star Chamber
M.O.M's board of admissions

BeaTea
Bellsaj
Big Tex
bloBuLaRZ
BluEMaX
Bopes
BStrachan
Buckgeo
Cricket
Dentinhead
Farkinell
Flying Muck
Gizmo
hansone
Jimmy the Lip
KA5EY
KTtheo
MaDtotheMoM
¥M4rtin¥
Oedius
Parrothead
RiC0
Von Len
. wig!
YEMX

So either Ka5ey or yemx,would either of you or both be interested in moderating the forum? Yemx i'm still more happy enough to see you stay as moraf of momzilla aswell.
See how the voting goes for the week then !maybe we can approach zup.

I personally don't have time to be here daily or even play daily.I'm never away more than a few days tho.I will do what I can and what is requested by others as far as the role of squad air marshal of momzilla.

You guys have been doing an awesome job with the first page.Any of those ideas I'd be happy to roll with.

Ok you bunch of reprobates, I've been a little absent. But I ain't gone by a long chalk.
Now for the moment you are flying either the MOM or MOMZILLA tag, so you ain't out in the cold, banners, well that's another matter, for the moment you don't need some fancy banner to fly or post, so quit going on about them for now, besides, it's nearly Easter
I do not want to see a mad proliferation of MOM squads, I see that, I delete this entire thread, that's a promise.
As soon as I've sorted out active from inactive and cleared the squad a bit, we will start recruiting, for that I will looking for a board of 4 or 5 of you to assist in vetting prospective recruits, I've already set up an area where we will do this, but the rest of the squad will also have a say on recruits here on the thread, so it is not going to be another SC.
So just be patient, plod along as you have been and look forward to your chocolate Easter egg!

If only we could believe another be patient post.Actions speak louder than words muck.I think it's a choice between tanks or planes.We have been more than patient.

Ps-I for one do not like the threat to delete the thread.Its not yours to delete.I think the masses are speaking and saying enough is enough.Balls in your court.

Not to be a Brutus (or Brute for the Latinphiles), but I am in the court with Simon. I want to know some loose plans and timetables to get rolling, John. I certainly appreciate you falling on the grenade with TBO and taking the brunt for our stubborness. But, we are... stubborn. We want to get back into our MOM groove. I think we all see how dedicated TBO was in the amount of time he poured into this place. It is easy to see why he thought it was "his" versus ours. It's time to delegate brother. Tell us how to help.