All this talk about different styles of play, how we are more accepting to sneakers now, droppers, tactics, ect.....

Then why is it that some of the best in the game avoid dogfight missions EVERY TIME? I am a turnfighter and i dont avoid Bomb the Hanger games, so why do the "head on guys" leave right away any time they enter a Dogfight mission?

You expect us to fight you "head on" in your matches, but when you enter a dogfight you just leave, so to fight you I must do it in a Bomb the Hanger.....

I have been with some of the best in the game 3, 4, 5, 6 games in a row, then we enter a dogfight game and POOF they all bail.... and these are the first to complain if they get forced into a turnfight in a bombing game or talk crap that we only seek non bombing games when you guys do the same in reverse.

Why cant everyone just stop all the complaining and just play all the game types? so what if you take a loss or two, if you expect us to stay in a head on game vs you, we expect you to stay in a turnfigting game against us!

While I do not object to someone leaving a DF mission, I can only say...

Bawk. BAWK bawk. Bawk bawk baaaawwwkkk!

Full disclosure, I do leave most Capture Carrier games, because I find them boring. So those players.can bawk at me too.

True Big Joe, I have been noticing the same thing lately.... The other day I was taking down a couple of high ranks back to back and was asked the device I am using. Upon telling him my device he said I had the advantage because i was using windows 8.1 ....... . Its just pride that hinder some of the higher ranks from admitting defeat to opponent skill. I can understand the shock from getting "outturned" but they should give credit where its due.

Khemist Ace wrote: True Big Joe, I have been noticing the same thing lately.... The other day I was taking down a couple of high ranks back to back and was asked the device I am using. Upon telling him my device he said I had the advantage because i was using windows 8.1 ....... . Its just pride that hinder some of the higher ranks from admitting defeat to opponent skill. I can understand the shock from getting "outturned" but they should give credit where its due.

Have you ever played this game on a hand held device? If not then try it against one using a pc with a faster processor and faster input reaction. Then let us know how you fair on a tiny phone screen or even a tablet.

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Khemist Ace wrote: True Big Joe, I have been noticing the same thing lately.... The other day I was taking down a couple of high ranks back to back and was asked the device I am using. Upon telling him my device he said I had the advantage because i was using windows 8.1 ....... . Its just pride that hinder some of the higher ranks from admitting defeat to opponent skill. I can understand the shock from getting "outturned" but they should give credit where its due.

Have you ever played this game on a hand held device? If not then try it against one using a pc with a faster processor and faster input reaction. Then let us know how you fair on a tiny phone screen or even a tablet.

Actually Sir, I have played the game on my android tablet and Samsung s 3..... I evade even better on android... but shoot and aim better on my windows. I am an old time gamer so my xbox 360 controller is my device of choice.Have you ever used windows? if not I suggest u do and tell me the advantage u have.

I am definitely not a top flyer here and admit that I bail on most DF games.
My reasoning is this: I CAN'T SEE YOU! So I need to play strategy missions.
My eye sight is so bad that I'm still good looking in the mirror.
It's like trying to eat a exquisitely prepared steak without my teeth.
I get the flavor without the enjoyment.

When DF has a Braille option, I'll be there.
Until then, I'll just have to sit back and admire other's skill.

Khemist Ace wrote:

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Khemist Ace wrote: True Big Joe, I have been noticing the same thing lately.... The other day I was taking down a couple of high ranks back to back and was asked the device I am using. Upon telling him my device he said I had the advantage because i was using windows 8.1 ....... . Its just pride that hinder some of the higher ranks from admitting defeat to opponent skill. I can understand the shock from getting "outturned" but they should give credit where its due.

Have you ever played this game on a hand held device? If not then try it against one using a pc with a faster processor and faster input reaction. Then let us know how you fair on a tiny phone screen or even a tablet.

Actually Sir, I have played the game on my android tablet and Samsung s 3..... I evade even better on android... but shoot and aim better on my windows. I am an old time gamer so my xbox 360 controller is my device of choice.Have you ever used windows? if not I suggest u do and tell me the advantage u have.

Unlike some who are able to play with multiple devices, I have one. Why? Well I don't have the cash lying around to afford that luxury as I prefer my children have what they need over my silly fascination with a game.

So we could rehash old topics that were started a year ago and argue one over the other until the thread gets lost like the rest in the df blackhole, or simply agree to disagree.

Other solutions could simply be that as you have already stated, stick to the missions you like and I will do the same. Why start a thread just to bait a pointless argument. Play your way and I play mine, simple right.

I think the majority leave because its not a point maker just like protect the zep.Or you dont want to shoot fellowsquads down.i dont think people are afraid to have a dogfight with a pc player .I also find it a bit dull.when its not a full house you end up flyin around for ages not seeing anyone.All the other missions offer that brief sense of camaraderie with your team.The push the defense,following the mission like a story unfolding.
As far as dropping,sneaking or flanking goes,if the teams are 4v4 then it does create a good game.Its just these pathetic servers which cant even allocate 4 places German 4 places Allied that makes these tactics dirty because they are seen as taking an unfair advantage when your 1-7 down.

i personally love dogfight matches and capture matches cause i get to drop my bombs and 'fly free'....i don't avoid certain matches though.......and i won't complain to the people who avoid certain matches....but i will complain how when i enter dogfight matches....they tend to be empty and remain empty...i only leave cause there is no body who stays in the game......

how about this....maybe the servers should be labeled as the type of game they offer....and have one server that does random type of matches.....

[QBJ]...¥$¥ wrote: I also find it a bit dull.when its not a full house you end up flyin around for ages not seeing anyone.

And that is THE reason I shy away from them. If I enter and there is a full house I will stay. If there is only 2 or 3 others chances are I'll find something else. It has nothing to do with windows.

"Bring down the zepplin" "server full"

"Bring down the zepplin" "server full"

"Bring down the zepplin" "server full"

"Bring down the zepplin" "server full"

Lol

if you avoid Dogfights and only play bombing missions because you are better head on, thats padding your stats! My stats would be CRAZY if i only played the games i was best at, but i enjoy the challenge of trying to take out those better than me.

If we only play turnfighting games or turnfight in a bombing game we are "stat padding", if you guys only play head on games and shoot at us head on in turnfigting games its just playing what you like.... double standard?

Big*Joe wrote: if you avoid Dogfights and only play bombing missions because you are better head on, thats padding your stats! My stats would be CRAZY if i only played the games i was best at, but i enjoy the challenge of trying to take out those better than me.

If we only play turnfighting games or turnfight in a bombing game we are "stat padding", if you guys only play head on games and shoot at us head on in turnfigting games its just playing what you like.... double standard?

Joe cmon, have you looked at my stats? As I said above play your way and I will play my way. The old argument still stands, windows changed the game period.

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Big*Joe wrote: if you avoid Dogfights and only play bombing missions because you are better head on, thats padding your stats! My stats would be CRAZY if i only played the games i was best at, but i enjoy the challenge of trying to take out those better than me.

If we only play turnfighting games or turnfight in a bombing game we are "stat padding", if you guys only play head on games and shoot at us head on in turnfigting games its just playing what you like.... double standard?

Joe cmon, have you looked at my stats? As I said above play your way and I will play my way. The old argument still stands, windows changed the game period.

BROTHER BZERK!!! YOU THE MAN!!! You read my mind 100%!! Good seeing ya brother..

If you have the best plane in a dogfight you can run 15-0 or 15-1. If you have the best plane in a bombing mission and head up the valley of death you will be lucky to stay 3-1 unless you are fantastic and one of the best. A new player with an entry plane has a better chance head on, so it's hard to believe your stat padding comment. I don't criticize those that love dogfighting, but I'm usually only going to stay if the crowd is an all star one.

We proved mechanical advantage the other night, same plane, upgraded all the way, each of holding on the piper, the win 8 has the faster turn. That comes and goes. I've played many rounds against people with an advantage in planes or operating systems, but it takes a lot of skill and concentration to get wins and isn't the way I want to spend a hour in the recliner most times. I'd rather slug it out in the valley and punch each other in the nose. Great thing about the game, you can do what you want to do.

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Khemist Ace wrote:

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Khemist Ace wrote: True Big Joe, I have been noticing the same thing lately.... The other day I was taking down a couple of high ranks back to back and was asked the device I am using. Upon telling him my device he said I had the advantage because i was using windows 8.1 ....... . Its just pride that hinder some of the higher ranks from admitting defeat to opponent skill. I can understand the shock from getting "outturned" but they should give credit where its due.

Have you ever played this game on a hand held device? If not then try it against one using a pc with a faster processor and faster input reaction. Then let us know how you fair on a tiny phone screen or even a tablet.

Actually Sir, I have played the game on my android tablet and Samsung s 3..... I evade even better on android... but shoot and aim better on my windows. I am an old time gamer so my xbox 360 controller is my device of choice.Have you ever used windows? if not I suggest u do and tell me the advantage u have.

Unlike some who are able to play with multiple devices, I have one. Why? Well I don't have the cash lying around to afford that luxury as I prefer my children have what they need over my silly fascination with a game.

So we could rehash old topics that were started a year ago and argue one over the other until the thread gets lost like the rest in the df blackhole, or simply agree to disagree.

Other solutions could simply be that as you have already stated, stick to the missions you like and I will do the same. Why start a thread just to bait a pointless argument. Play your way and I play mine, simple right.

Yes Sir, its as simple as that. I didnt start this thread but the topic wasn't pointless to me, otherwise I wouldnt have made a comment. It would be odd for me or or anyone to prolong a conversation that they deem pointless. Thankfully I owned these devices before I even knew about this game, but I dont think i would have broken the bank just to get to play this game on them.

Excellent topic !!

I believe that the only way we have to play whitout problems its understanding that the DOGFIGHT its a turning figth and " head on " its not. The problem its that there is more shooters than fighters. That's the reason why the tops pilots are so many shooters and why hangars games are so long to play. I have 11:1 ratio only for that, because I learn so much about turning fight and there is so few pilots who can do it only because they believe head on its the best way to fight. I have not 1000000 kills, I have only 11,000 and that's normal in my range, the really a normal it's my deaths, and that have only one explanation: they are so many shooters.

Whip, Mcfate, Wig and others are a very good fighters and very good shooters, but only one of them like the turning fight. And I'm good in turning fight but I really hate head on because it's so boring! But that's the problem, dogfight its turning fight, head on its a why to shot down a plane and it's only a weapon that we can use, but the game it's not an arcade game.

Air combat have many steps, one of them its head on, but it's an option. Serch about that.

Why we have so many problems? Because the game have two types of pilots : the players that play like air combats manouvers and the players that learn to play looking to others players doing head on. It's so funny when a new pilot say me " ey! Cheater! You don't make head on" even in free for all. If you gonna play a game of tanks you must know the tanks have only one cannon and you must learn about that. If you gonna play air combat games, why you play it like call of dutty?!

I respect shooters, but of god sake, I want play bombing mission whitout shooters that think there is only one way to play this, and even worse, they thing that head on its air combat or dogfight


PD: one thing that no help its that the planes it's so unbalanced. In this game, all you need its speed, then the lowest planes have only few chances to survive. Zup must know that : lowest speed, more manouver and whit more speed, less manouver

I can't stand dogfight missions. Most I get in I'm by myself, or they leave before I find them. When I find one that looks to be a good challenge I will stay. However halfway through my arms will be cramped and my head spinning. So I find the bombing missions more enjoyable for my taste, besides it's not to hard to fly around and shoot 15 planes I have done it many times. The zep missions I try and stay clear of those because of the lag. No matter what side I'm on its hard to shoot with the big red paragraph saying my Internet connection is slow. A bomb is a terrible thing to waist mainly because I couldn't hit the side of a barn without them dogfight missions are in my opinion a good time for some circus flying!!!

I don't like DF missions much.. I really have been trying to stay in every game I am given even the dreaded ctc. I used to only stay to try and shoot Ziza and Zebra, I like the challenge but most of the reason is I don't enjoy the dynamic of that round...you can fight and twist and turn for like 10 minutes just to have someone long range pick you off with a luck shot. I get bored holding my tab up and turning and twisting...I've started to try and teach during the rounds or I try stunts which is what I like most. Landing on the bridge supports or the carrier tower. I still have yet to shoot my own bomb (thanks for the idea Paul) but I would rather goof off in these rounds than play them properly. As for the padding of stats I agree with Longrifle I would love to see soemone pad their stats with strictly bombing missions. I've had a bunch of 15-0 but very few x - 0 where x > 5 bombing missions.

Cool dude...now what? hehe

As far as Windows 8.1 goes, you can combat the amazing speed with an extremely good wi-fi connection on a tablet or good phone, but the sync lag is the problem. I can fire into the proplure of an 8.1 fighter and get no hit markers, while his bullets fly to my right and I'm downed instantly. My ONLY chance against a Windows user is head-on. I'm on a Galaxy S2. As many know, I'm one of the slowest turnfighting Air Marshalls in the game. I'm technically sound (although not as much so as ANY of the top players), but I'm really slow. I'm not gonna waste my time being cannon fodder for those on PC.

I will stay and turnfight in a bombing game. Once the lag gets excessive, the bombs go down.

On my GS2, I average a 2-1 or 2.5-1 kdr up the middle. I used my brother's Kindle recently, and whacked my way to a 4-1 over three games, including an 81-22. So. Enjoy your FFA missions, Joe.

Then, the problem it's not about what it's air combat or " tactics" ? All it's about devices ?

I just must say, for instance, the dogfight its about team up. Yours arms and screen can't be a problem if we fight like a team

£ | Ziza | wrote: Then, the problem it's not about what it's air combat or " tactics" ? All it's about devices ?

I just must say, for instance, the dogfight its about team up. Yours arms and screen can't be a problem if we fight like a team

Exactly Z, that's exactly what some players state when they dont want to give credit to their opponent. I am pretty sure I get downed by players using devices other than windows, some of which I find it almost impossible to outturn during turnfights.... just saying, where is my device advantage there? ...... I am not afraid to admit when someone is better at something than me and I wont go blaming my equipment if I fail. Instead, I go do my "homework" and improvise...... The greatest advantage is to out think your opponent, executing subtle maneuvers and finishing.

So its not the device but the brain behind the device.

Personally bombing mission is full of tactics and strategy! ! Dogfights are about circles and I just don't think there's much strategy there for me it's more about who can cut the fastest smallest circles..so that would fall back on what devise you use!! I play df but enjoy bombing missions the best!! But to each his own !!!

G.I Gunnerzz wrote: Personally bombing mission is full of tactics and strategy! ! Dogfights are about circles and I just don't think there's much strategy there for me it's more about who can cut the fastest smallest circles..so that would fall back on what devise you use!! I play df but enjoy bombing missions the best!! But to each his own !!!

My god gunnerzz, don't say that, that's why some pilots are so easy to shoot down. Dogfight its a big deal, you must learn about many things. My god , I can shoot down a top plane whit an airco because many pilots things that " it's only make circus "

There are so many manouvers. I really don't know why you say that, serch in Google. I say this in the best way, I respect you man

I love being in a chase fight with players who think that dogfighting is just circling. Keep spreading that word

£ | Ziza | wrote:

G.I Gunnerzz wrote: Personally bombing mission is full of tactics and strategy! ! Dogfights are about circles and I just don't think there's much strategy there for me it's more about who can cut the fastest smallest circles..so that would fall back on what devise you use!! I play df but enjoy bombing missions the best!! But to each his own !!!

My god gunnerzz, don't say that, that's why some pilots are so easy to shoot down. Dogfight its a big deal, you must learn about many things. My god , I can shoot down a top plane whit an airco because many pilots things that " it's only make circus "

There are so many manouvers. I really don't know why you say that, serch in Google. I say this in the best way, I respect you man

lol ziza my brother!! Only my opinion I like df and bombing but somewhere in this thread stradgey and tactics was mentioned lol!! Df has less strategy and tactics in MY opinion lol!! Its a deathmatch lol!! And you are 1 on the few pilots who play bombing missions who actually carry your bomb so I too respect you ziza!!

The big problem with this game in its turn fighting and head to head shooting is that every thing in it is arcade like. The planes constantly turn at the same rate no matter what you do. Only way to win a turn fight is to just do funky maneuvers till the person your chasing ends up in front of you. The head on fighting is just boring as heck as well. The gun rounds have no ballistic drop which is irritating. All the planes fly the same and each tier of them just increases its performance which leads to every one flying the same aircraft. The way the aircraft fly and the way the guns work makes any realistic flying tactic pointless. Its just a bit depressing.

Anyway if anyone is sick and tired of all the forum bickering and fighting over this thing and that thing every single dam day and if your sick of the the arcade like flying this Christmas Gunship III Korea is coming out and its going to be a fun dogfighting and bombing game.







The way these Gunship games work is you join a multiplayer mission were there are ground targets to bomb and AI air targets to kill that fly and fight like other players both trying to complete their own mission objective. Its a bit more in depth than dogfight. The different sides won’t have the same objective. One side might have a mission goal to protect its AI bombers and take out enemy ground targets wile the other sides mission objective is to take out the enemies bombers and protect the ground troops. Not only will you have other pilots flying with you but AI aircraft will also be flying with and against you in dogfights. Once you complete a mission the game does not end it just gives you a new objective to complete. Anyway I have found these flight sims a bit more interesting. With moral low over hear with all the constant bickering and fighting over head on shooting, turn fighting, camping, spawnkilling and all that crap some of you might want something else to fly for a bit.

For those of you who swear that the top dogfighters are only as good as they are due to the device they use (usually Windows via a laptop according to those naysayers) let me first point out that arguably one of the best dogfighters in the game (Ziza with a better than 12:1 K/D !) doesn't use a laptop... or Windows device.. just saying.. nor do I think most of the Top 10 K/D turnfighters in the Top 100 even use Windows devices.. most were where they're at long before Windows was even available to play this game.. (Calle, 420, SkyDavis, BlueMaX, Loewenhardt & others)

So don't automatically assume that because someone is a good or even great dogfighter that it's only due to what piece of electronics they're using!

It's funny how people often think there is no strategy in a dogfight. Lol!

Someone should be sure to tell that to the military flight instructors who focus so much attention on air to air combat maneuvers. If you think that two identical planes should have the exact same turn radius in a turn fight regardless of the maneuvers and skill of the pilot you either have not discovered how gravity effects your movement or perhaps you're just not very bright. Sorry for the cheap dig there but really, WAKE UP AND FLY RIGHT!

(edit: skydavis, while I appreciate your skill and gaming experience my personal experience shows that a plane can turn faster by making use of gravity in this game, albeit those effects may mainly be due to the effects of speed)

And yes, devices do make a difference, just not the only difference. Just like in ACM training, when you are flying against an enemy with better equipment you are not automatically dead. You are at a disadvantage but there are ways of minimizing the disparity.


BTW, I claim an equipment disadvantage right now. My Kindle Fire still has D8s. I have a disadvantage on the Allied side but I'm on even ground while German. All top planes on the German side still appear as D8s with the small hit zone. When I fly German my plane looks like a D8 to me but everyone not on a Kindle sees it as the SS with the larger hit zone. I still notice a difference in my average game performance whether Allied or German. I like it for now. It's excellent practice to have to aim for the smaller target. I'm hoping for a big pay - off when my Kindle finally does update. Until then you can all enjoy kicking Allied Mc around. When Amazon catches up everyone on Kindle will probably be doing noticeably better.