So I feel like something really should be done about this whole d8 situation. This game used to be extremely fun due to the fact that it was pretty close to being fair for both saids (not saying it sucks). As I d8 owner myself im still unhappy that the allied is basicly a shut out no matter what. Fighting against the d8 is exusting and very frustrating. In my own opinion the d8 is a unfair advantage and make for sucky matched against them. So till something is done about this I refuse to be allied. I dont care what u call me, ive proven myself more than enough and will not sink down to yalls insults (if any). I will start at vimy and go down till I find the first match were im german.

To everyone else who agrees I ask that u pleaee post and lets be heard. Somethings gotta be done. This game just isnt as good as it used to be before the d8s. Battles used to be good due to the fact that it was a close game. Now its a shut out and most matches r done is a few runs.

Eagle21 out

I largely agree with you but not entirely....

The d8 and the fully upgraded Sopwith Camel have very similar performance; in fact, I'm not quite sure but the Camel may have a slight edge in turning. (Depends on who is flying it?) On the other hand, the smaller d8 is a harder target. I spent weeks (before I got either the d8 or the Camel) flying the fully upgraded Dr1 and the Tripehound . In my opinion both are very good planes and can be quite competitive but there is definitely a clear advantage for the d8.

I suspect that the main cause for the d8 "scourge" may be that many more players have the d8 than have the Camel. Many people got it as a reward in Zup's promotional campaign and many more have saved up to buy it with game credits or $$$, choosing it over the Camel when they can only afford one or the other.

No doubt about it though, the new upper tier planes are superior to all others. Again I ask Zuperman that there be new servers made to somehow provide a game option where the top planes are not available .( no 5th upgrades?) Perhaps a server for the earlier years of the war?...

I truly believe that many new players are giving up in frustration when faced with veteran players in superior equipment. It would be nice to be able to fly all of the lower tier planes without feeling regret as soon as a red MORAF spawns in. It would also be nice to go ahead and fly the top planes knowing that I'm not just plowing my way through lower ranks simply because of advantages other than skill and experience. I think of it kind of like if it were chess: how would it be if the more experienced players had more powerful pieces?

I have found the D8 to be quite the easy target once the turning begins, even in my N17. The trick is to get behind them. I attribute this to the fact that the D8 pilot is likely carrying a bomb or two making it slower turning and easier to out-maneuver.

I agree with McFate about new players giving up. I often see them spawn into a game and quickly leave without even encountering any of the higher ranked players. I know in their shoes I would be frustrated as well and likely leave. A no-win game is pretty much not fun though people are quick to brag that they fought their way through the difficult times. I suspect that was back when the top tier planes were a bit less nimble and dynamic, and the differences between the top and bottom wasn't as dramatic.

Love my D8....though not even fully upgraded.

At least now I finally stand a chance in head on encounters.......which I mostly tried to avoid.
In a camel, fully upgraded, hardly a chance again against a D8.

So the trick would be to avoid head ons again.......But then you are called a sneaker.

I wonder how the WW1 Camel pilots did it! Superiority by numbers? Having a wingman? Waiting for the D8 pilot to shoot at another target, and attack from the side?
Maybe this finally encourages us to work together......and it's not a mindless shooter anymore.

But what I would love is that with every hit, a plane would become slower (not just so many hits and you are down), or even show holes.......teamwork would be really fun.

Hmm, kudos to you Eagle21 for announcing in public what many already have been doing. You are right, that dang plane has contributed to an overwhelming advantage to the German side. Couple that plane with the BTC mission where the German boat cruises at a distance that is too far to hit with a tank round, or the Allies protecting the Zep (what?), it is no wonder people shy away from flying as an Ally. Yes I've heard some can shoot down the D8 but the fact remains that it has no Allied equal. It has become a rare instance where you actually can get a win as an Ally.

I usually fly the plane that the game gives me, sometimes I will try to be german only as flying allied you can only get a 2 to 1 kill rate in most games, AT BEST!

If you don't hit it on the first volley I will usually get shot down as my stupid plane will weave around some and I can't line up again. I like to fly allied as it's making me fire without weaving although I still weave a lot. I didn't use to weave so much.

Mark my words, I will become deadly in the allied, it may take some time but darn it I won't give up. I will learn to shoot without weaving even if it frustrates me to death. D8 s beware, I'm looking for you

I fought my butt off to make moraf. I feel I deserve the right to fly my d8. However I have noticed that the Allied side is like a ghost town lately...kinda boring. I will admit hitting the d8 is hard, but not impossible. I think it's just gunna take a lot of practice

Rudolf Rednose wrote: Love my D8....though not even fully upgraded.

At least now I finally stand a chance in head on encounters.......which I mostly tried to avoid.
In a camel, fully upgraded, hardly a chance again against a D8.

So the trick would be to avoid head ons again.......But then you are called a sneaker.

I wonder how the WW1 Camel pilots did it! Superiority by numbers? Having a wingman? Waiting for the D8 pilot to shoot at another target, and attack from the side?
Maybe this finally encourages us to work together......and it's not a mindless shooter anymore.

But what I would love is that with every hit, a plane would become slower (not just so many hits and you are down), or even show holes.......teamwork would be really fun.

Wingman tactics work well if you have a wingman who knows a trick or two. I avoid head-on scenarios with the D8's by basically jinking my way past them. It is a small amount of skill and a large amount of luck to get by, especially if there are more than one red. Once past them though if they are heavy and you are heavy the F1 seems to have the advantage, same if both birds are light.

Dont get me wrong, head to head I am normally a sitting duck vs. a D8, especially since the numerical advantage typically favors the German side and as allied you are more likely to be outnumbered, negating good wingman tactics. The D8 is beatable but clearly superior overall.

The D8 is tough head-on. It's small. I aim a little high of center on the cowl and have better results. Maybe it's because my spray patter is downward. Try different things to see what works for you. Yes, I have games where D8's are making mincemeat of my K/D, and I also have games where I am in a D8 and one of the enemy has me totally dialed. I'm supposed to be a moraf but am a bit rusty - so while the plane helps, it's about skill too. Probably about 60/40 skill/plane IMO.

As was mentioned, get in a turning fight to even your chances, assuming that you have an upgraded Camel. If you don't have that plane... well ya shudda shot him head-on first!

Manfred

i'm not saying this is an action i appose(though i personally won't perticipate in)......... lets all remember that on the lower tiers, one plane always had better 'handling' and one always had better 'speed',so atleast tier 5 had equal upgrades

Well, Imma tell you what I tell everybody. I fly the D8 because it's the only plane I own above the third tier. I save up for months to get each upgrade, and it's only half-upgraded as of yet, making me easy picking for turn fighters.
This, coupled with the immense amounts of free coins windows users were gaining, constitutes my only true hope of legitimate and consistent competition.
I'm going to fly with my best plane, in the most advantageous style. I can level up faster than I can upgrade at this point (level 24).

I fly what the game.gives me I have my top.planes going and the camel is good the hound is just a big old target. But there is a sweet spot on the d8. It takes alot of concentration and watching the tracers. But I have held my own against it. It just when it a game full of d8 s that makes the world stink. .and I see so many of people I call friends that wont switch sides even when its 6/1 just to have that advantage. So either zup makes it easier to shoot or gives the allied side a plane that's just a hard to shoot. I would say easier to shoot so even the noobs have a chance. Right now its totally unbalanced. And fyi I will.switch sides to allied depending on the situation. Sometimes its not all about winning bit having a good game

Ok theres alot of tips and tricks here and I thank all yall for sharing. However it was stated thats "the noobs often leav, and it takes alot of work to get the d8". So without a doubt zup usually males his money by new players coming in "thats how the company survives" so dont yall think with all the noobs leaving and giving up because of this d8 maybe its gonna hurt not only zup but the rest of us in the long run?

Ys D8 Is Great plane ...!
I also hv a fear @it.

But I love my D.V... Many times it hit D8 and brought down..
D8 is tough to hit from front..

u need to make some angle or elevation against it, so u got it easily.

ok , so no fear for D8 , many planes are useful against the D8 , depends upon the user.

Agree that after D8 , some revolution happen in game or it became fast and no chance to slower planes...!!!

But hit to D8 is a fun and no need to any excuse..???

so don't Quit up.. !!!

(Time for an attorney to get involved)
Yes I agree to the D8 being OP(over powered) and more so when they drop there bombs. We need tear style matches, thats what I want, I want to play with other spads and such. I dont like beating down an avro or a fokker, who are a lower level, the problem with this is, the players with the upgraded plane. In this game, no one can say they have skill, you dont have skill because what most top players call skill is there top tier plane, and thats not skill if your flying a spad, or any plane below camel or D8, its not skill. Like said before, its like playing a game of chess where the most "Skilled" player has better pieces. Noobs leave because now they cant play, if I(a guy in a D8 who has played the game for years or was gifted it) was playing a noob in a plane of any other tier, then who is going to win, I will win, why because I have the better chess pieces.
The problem is, the players with the most power, are less willing to let it go, ether earned, or gifted, they dont want to be brought lower, so we need to make tier matches, but we cant get rid of the all tier matches.

Hace un tiemp cuando salieron los nuevos aviones era dificil derribar el d8, pero con eltiempo se mejora.yo con mi camel los derribo bastante bien animo!! Trabajo y trabajo te hace ser mejor piloto amigo.

(Time for an attorney to get involved)
Yes I agree to the D8 being OP(over powered) and more so when they drop there bombs. We need tear style matches, thats what I want, I want to play with other spads and such. I dont like beating down an avro or a fokker, who are a lower level, the problem with this is, the players with the upgraded plane. In this game, no one can say they have skill, you dont have skill because what most top players call skill is there top tier plane, and thats not skill if your flying a spad, or any plane below camel or D8, its not skill. Like said before, its like playing a game of chess where the most "Skilled" player has better pieces. Noobs leave because now they cant play, if I(a guy in a D8 who has played the game for years or was gifted it) was playing a noob in a plane of any other tier, then who is going to win, I will win, why because I have the better chess pieces.

its not true ,
most players have a good skill & experience to fly and shoot..
those new comers with new planes are not having that skill and attitude to fight ..!

they need to more encourage to fight against d8..

Enfrentarte a ellos te hara ser mejor piloto, ademas el d8 cargado se vuelve vulnerable, eso hace que la partida se iguale un poco.debeis aprender como derribarlo, quejarse se puede entender pero no
Sirve de nada, mejora como piloto y lo derribaras mejor, intenta buscar sus pumtos débiles.los tiene eso seguro, se maneja muy bien en vuelo, pero un poqito por encima se caza bien, es cuestion de enfrentarte muchas veces a ellos.no todos los pilotos lo manejan igual, muchos moraf, con mi camel son carne de mi ametralladora.son lentos e imprecisos, el camel es un avion muy rapido y versatil claro armado al maximo.(hasta que no los armas al maximo no lo sabes y no todos lo pilotan igual, fijate en la forma que pilota cada aviador(tambien creo que deberia haber otros sevidores, y segun se progrese, ir subiendo con los mejores seria una buena opcion, digamos qe se formarian mejor.

. ! M wrote: (Time for an attorney to get involved)
Yes I agree to the D8 being OP(over powered) and more so when they drop there bombs. We need tear style matches, thats what I want, I want to play with other spads and such. I dont like beating down an avro or a fokker, who are a lower level, the problem with this is, the players with the upgraded plane. In this game, no one can say they have skill, you dont have skill because what most top players call skill is there top tier plane, and thats not skill if your flying a spad, or any plane below camel or D8, its not skill. Like said before, its like playing a game of chess where the most "Skilled" player has better pieces. Noobs leave because now they cant play, if I(a guy in a D8 who has played the game for years or was gifted it) was playing a noob in a plane of any other tier, then who is going to win, I will win, why because I have the better chess pieces.

its not true ,
most players have a good skill & experience to fly and shoot..
those new comers with new planes are not having that skill and attitude to fight ..!

they need to more encourage to fight against d8..

Listen up I started in open servers. I had to fly against the best in the game I have fought my way to the top. If you can't do of then. I guess ypr skills need to improve alot. Its not the plane its the piot. I can still tear it up with my spad or any plane. And I still do fly them.from.time to time. If you want a same plane match up that should tell you about your skill level. You need to stop with these ideas you have what's next you want giant bulls eyes over the plane. To make it easy. Well that's the point of the game it not made to be easy its fight hard or die. Plane and simple I'm.glad Tue servers are open again it weeds out the weak you either want it or you don't. The older pilots had nothing handed to them why should you. The game has become easier now. Before you left a game you lost your points you got shoot down you lost points you crashed you lost points. That's why you see some of the older guys helping the noobs. So please just stop o back to your df news

Mad rabbit, u say u had it hard? Imagine the noobs coming in and getting annihilated by those d8s lol

and think the case is closed here and the d8s not going anywhere....oh well

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Frits Koolhoven was a car designer, racing driver, aircraft developer and pioneer aviator. Born in Bloemendaal, he studied at HBS technical school and at Liege and Antwerp technical colleges. Although he began his career as a mechanic at a car factory, he soon developed an interest in aviation. For a while Koolhoven worked as chief designer for British Aerial Transport (BAT). During the First World War, his work had a huge impact on aircraft design in Britain. He emerged as the leading rival of his compatriot Anthony Fokker, the other famous Dutch pioneer aviator. Koolhoven set up a factory in Rotterdam in 1926, which was destroyed early in the Second World War when German bombers devastated the city to force a Dutch capitulation in 1940.

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Exactly what we would need.......too bad it came out after the war already was ending and the German Airforce was deminished........dispite of the D8. They say Fokker had nothing to equal this! ( but it's on display in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam)

I've been flying around in the old DV all day just because I always wanted the zebra plane, it's not even fully pimped out because I ran out of coin.

The difference in my KDR? None. I'll probably never use the D8 again.

I for one want to Thank Mad Rabbit for not hesitating to fly allied!! And I would have switched to fly with you bud but i had a GI i couldnt bail on in blue this last time.

As someone still trying to lvl up, I prefer to fly the d8 because i gain points faster flying that beast, and can lvl up a little faster. But once a pilot hits MORAF do they really still need to fly the d8? I would think not, by the time you have that much experience you should be fine in any plane, especially vs newer pilots even in d8s!!!!!

This may not be popular, but i really believe the d8 should go away at lvl 31 and maybe instead you get to upgrade another plane to equal the d8 (maybe even your choice of the german side). This way the d8 stays in the game, and newer pilots can use it to compensate vs a more skilled MORAF.

Is there a MORAF that would be scared of a lvl 15 pilot in a d8? i doubt it, more MORAFs would fly allied knowing any d8s will only have new pilots in them! Would guys like Eagle refuse to fly allied still if this were the case? probably not... Would a MORAF avoid the allied side if they knew all d8's were flown by less experienced pilots? I would think a good amount of MORAFs would fly allied if this were the case, and only fly the d8 now because all the other MORAFs are doing it and if they dont there at a dis-advantage. Just my opinion

Eagle21 wrote: Mad rabbit, u say u had it hard? Imagine the noobs coming in and getting annihilated by those d8s lol

and think the case is closed here and the d8s not going anywhere....oh well

I agree with yoU about the D8 and it should be easier to hit. But to say its the plane and the. uper guys have no skills. Is a bit much. As far as I can tell he just wants it to be like a game with easy normal and hard buttons. He wants easy he needs to go play mini dog fight. I'm.not starting drama bit don't tell guys that have fought hard they have no skills

darraxx wrote:

Eagle21 wrote: Mad rabbit, u say u had it hard? Imagine the noobs coming in and getting annihilated by those d8s lol

and think the case is closed here and the d8s not going anywhere....oh well

I agree with yoU about the D8 and it should be easier to hit. But to say its the plane and the. uper guys have no skills. Is a bit much. As far as I can tell he just wants it to be like a game with easy normal and hard buttons. He wants easy he needs to go play mini dog fight. I'm.not starting drama bit don't tell guys that have fought hard they have no skills

lol yeah I hear ya, I just miss those long 100+ games, seems like since the d8 ur lucky to get 50+
Im all for the challenge but I guess the d8 just has its ups and downs idk

[*M]Reckless wrote: I've been flying around in the old DV all day just because I always wanted the zebra plane, it's not even fully pimped out because I ran out of coin.

The difference in my KDR? None. I'll probably never use the D8 again.

hehe heck yeah, cheers bro and gj on moraf!!!

darraxx wrote:

Eagle21 wrote: Mad rabbit, u say u had it hard? Imagine the noobs coming in and getting annihilated by those d8s lol

and think the case is closed here and the d8s not going anywhere....oh well

I agree with yoU about the D8 and it should be easier to hit. But to say its the plane and the. uper guys have no skills. Is a bit much. As far as I can tell he just wants it to be like a game with easy normal and hard buttons. He wants easy he needs to go play mini dog fight. I'm.not starting drama bit don't tell guys that have fought hard they have no skills

Your saying I said the upper guys have no skills, but what I said was "In this game all the pilots who say they have skill dont have skill because in this game, there is no such thing as pure skill)
Theres something called luck, every one has luck, you get lucky id you shoot a D8 down in a spad, your not skilled, because as soon as that D8 drops its bombs, your out of luck, and no skill going to save you then, Shoot a D8 with his bombs dropped head on, thats just luck, he could have just as easly got you too. So Mr skilled I Dare you to proove your skills, Take a Spad drop your bombs and fight a D8 without its bombs, Then you can tell me you have skill

Yellow1Blaze wrote:

darraxx wrote:

Eagle21 wrote: Mad rabbit, u say u had it hard? Imagine the noobs coming in and getting annihilated by those d8s lol

and think the case is closed here and the d8s not going anywhere....oh well

I agree with yoU about the D8 and it should be easier to hit. But to say its the plane and the. uper guys have no skills. Is a bit much. As far as I can tell he just wants it to be like a game with easy normal and hard buttons. He wants easy he needs to go play mini dog fight. I'm.not starting drama bit don't tell guys that have fought hard they have no skills

Your saying I said the upper guys have no skills, but what I said was "In this game all the pilots who say they have skill dont have skill because in this game, there is no such thing as pure skill)
Theres something called luck, every one has luck, you get lucky id you shoot a D8 down in a spad, your not skilled, because as soon as that D8 drops its bombs, your out of luck, and no skill going to save you then, Shoot a D8 with his bombs dropped head on, thats just luck, he could have just as easly got you too. So Mr skilled I Dare you to proove your skills, Take a Spad drop your bombs and fight a D8 without its bombs, Then you can tell me you have skill

skill= I bet I can shoot u head on (in ur d8(if u have one)) more times than u can shoot me down

Skill=I bet I can merk u and 3 other reds in my d8 and bomb 2 of ur hangars

skill=just look at my stats bro lol

Consider this. When there were five planes, the noob with a level 2, which most had coming over from the training wheels server was outclassed, by three steps up. Now a noob can come across earlier, and it is not uncommon to be outclassed by up to six classes.

I slid into Moraf without having bought and upgraded all the palnes yet, as the prices went up a year ago, and even with a couple buys to suport Zup I don't have either Sopwith, the Italian Nueiport, or the Fokker DVII. I do have a DVIII, without a single upgrade, and for BTC or BTB palying German its the go to plane. Head on against my Fokker triplane, with it target mass I usually run 2-1. With the slow, unstable D-8 it's more like 3-4 to 1. It is hard to hit, and if you are trying to move pixel by pixel to hit one you are a big target in any allied plane, especially my formerly top rated Se5 and the immensely massive tripehound, which leaves tripe all over the field.

I don't have a problem with the D-8, i just don't think you should have to enagge a late 1918 aurcraft with an early 1915 one, as this is historically innaccurate and frustrating game play. As rabbit suggested, bring in the Allied Buzzrd, also low profile and FAST, or reduce the speed of the D-8 to something historically accurate (it was slower than the Se5, SPAD, Camel, etc in real world.) Or make the matches set by year, and only the top plane in that year is available (1917, no D8)

ALOT of great ideas in here, i just hope something can be done because it is getting harder and harder to find a game that doesnt have an empty allied side