This should be the plane that can compete with the d8, what do you think zuperman. Please add this plane to the allied side so flying allied isn't like playing protect the zeppelin, where you never win.

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote: This should be the plane that can compete with the d8, what do you think zuperman. Please add this plane to the allied side so flying allied isn't like playing protect the zeppelin, where you never win.

what plane is that??

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote: This should be the plane that can compete with the d8, what do you think zuperman. Please add this plane to the allied side so flying allied isn't like playing protect the zeppelin, where you never win.

what plane is that??

Sopwich swallow

understand them perfectly no, I, I think I say that many cry! noo I say that this game is based on fights, that logically can not be matched siempre.En what he hath spoken reckes, I agree monoplane I put one on the Allied side, with similar benefits to d8.no is bad thought it would be nice, but it would always be something less, but would not be bad, if that got more balance.

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote: This should be the plane that can compete with the d8, what do you think zuperman. Please add this plane to the allied side so flying allied isn't like playing protect the zeppelin, where you never win.

what plane is that??

Sopwich swallow

U should start a pertition thread to get this in the game
good find man

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote: This should be the plane that can compete with the d8, what do you think zuperman. Please add this plane to the allied side so flying allied isn't like playing protect the zeppelin, where you never win.

what plane is that??

Sopwich swallow

U should start a pertition thread to get this in the game

good find man

Auld mentioned it top of page, I just found a picture of it.

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote: This should be the plane that can compete with the d8, what do you think zuperman. Please add this plane to the allied side so flying allied isn't like playing protect the zeppelin, where you never win.

what plane is that??

Sopwich swallow

U should start a pertition thread to get this in the game

good find man

Auld mentioned it top of page, I just found a picture of it.

ill start it if anyone agrees and will back me:)

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote: This should be the plane that can compete with the d8, what do you think zuperman. Please add this plane to the allied side so flying allied isn't like playing protect the zeppelin, where you never win.

what plane is that??

Sopwich swallow

U should start a pertition thread to get this in the game

good find man

Auld mentioned it top of page, I just found a picture of it.

ill start it if anyone agrees and will back me:)

Petitions never work in this game, maybe zuperman will see this and a light bulb will light up and have a a ha moment. And add this plane to the allied side and take out the camel. But if you like to try all the power to you I will sigh.

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote: This should be the plane that can compete with the d8, what do you think zuperman. Please add this plane to the allied side so flying allied isn't like playing protect the zeppelin, where you never win.

what plane is that??

Sopwich swallow

U should start a pertition thread to get this in the game

good find man

Auld mentioned it top of page, I just found a picture of it.

ill start it if anyone agrees and will back me:)

Petitions never work in this game, maybe zuperman will see this and a light bulb will light up and have a a ha moment. And add this plane to the allied side and take out the camel. But if you like to try all the power to you I will sigh.

Yeah lets hope, ill gather more info about the plane and see what everyone else thinks/says about it and ill probably post it in the next 24 hours if no one beats me to it haha

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Eagle21 wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote: This should be the plane that can compete with the d8, what do you think zuperman. Please add this plane to the allied side so flying allied isn't like playing protect the zeppelin, where you never win.

what plane is that??

Sopwich swallow

U should start a pertition thread to get this in the game

good find man

Auld mentioned it top of page, I just found a picture of it.

ill start it if anyone agrees and will back me:)

Petitions never work in this game, maybe zuperman will see this and a light bulb will light up and have a a ha moment. And add this plane to the allied side and take out the camel. But if you like to try all the power to you I will sigh.

Yeah lets hope, ill gather more info about the plane and see what everyone else thinks/says about it and ill probably post it in the next 24 hours if no one beats me to it haha

This is the plane to take on the d8, she's beautiful.

darraxx wrote: Yep I'm.tired of being the only dumb bastard on the allied side or having to fly with a noob against four five or six d8. Pleas check out the f4 buzzard thread. Maybe it will get people to fly allied side again. That's provided zup pays any attention to it

Never be tired of being g the Basterd Bunn. I enjoy flying with noods, and being out numbered, in the allide by plane, there is something with the freedom of NO CHANCE IN HELL OF WINNING, OR SEEING THE ENEMY BASE!!!!!! If you know what I mean.

The Morane-Saulnier AI is the logical alternative, a match sizewise, more or less, and historically it actaully had combat deployment, unlike the Swallow. Intersting Swallow trivia; the prototype plane was sold to Harry Hawker after the war.

The Morane-Saulnier AI was faster than the D.VIII and had a better climb rate and higher ceiling. Wingspan was nearly identical, and therefore target area should be similar.

Longrifle wrote: The Morane-Saulnier AI is the logical alternative, a match sizewise, more or less, and historically it actaully had combat deployment, unlike the Swallow. Intersting Swallow trivia; the prototype plane was sold to Harry Hawker after the war.

The Morane-Saulnier AI was faster than the D.VIII and had a better climb rate and higher ceiling. Wingspan was nearly identical, and therefore target area should be similar.

She's such a ugly duckling, looks like more of a match for the Fokker e lll. This game isn't historically correct anyways, the d8 only top out at about 99-110 mph. Mine tops out at 120 mph with two bombs so bring on the swallow.

I support The Swallow all The Way

I despise the D VIII. It is my personal goal, to shoot down every one of em.
LONG LIVE the BIs andTRIs of WWI !! That's just MY two cents

Oh man once I finish upgrading my caml it is on!!! 2 or more d8s and im dropping I may never carry a bomb again aslong as im allied and the allied dont have a mono wing. I migh aswell change my name now to HellRazor haha and start my own thread for ppl to complain about me lol

That's not the AI. Can't post fom here, but will look for pics tomorrow. The AI fielded in 1917, but was replaced in most French escadrilles by the SPAD

War is war,
But a game is a game.
If your coming in from the north, in a D8- then youve won the game, its just to much to go up against no matter who flying it, what makes it even more interesting that occasionally ill even find some idiot dropping when flying a D8. Seriously, come on....
Basically D8 are not easy to take down unless your coming down on them, not so easily done considering the out monouvering abilities on all other crafts in my oppinion. I have one, I enjoy the pressision targeting, it doesnt miss even if you try. Again I like it, but atleast come up with a true comparison to mach...no one like fighting them, not even me....if you can fix the lag, or bring back the original tank, I mean seriously the tank is a down grade. Or better yet how about those lousy I ternet conection messages that pop up. Really, im running 50/50 quantum here, and everyone still disapeas.... OMG.... I feel a heart a tack come on.....it was truly a fun game 2 years ago, everyone still screams an whispers for squad wars, forget that, just give me a game that works with equal playing fields.... dont make me break out astroids....lol

*D~x~P-29* wrote: War is war,
But a game is a game.
If your coming in from the north, in a D8- then youve won the game, its just to much to go up against no matter who flying it, what makes it even more interesting that occasionally ill even find some idiot dropping when flying a D8. Seriously, come on....
Basically D8 are not easy to take down unless your coming down on them, not so easily done considering the out monouvering abilities on all other crafts in my oppinion. I have one, I enjoy the pressision targeting, it doesnt miss even if you try. Again I like it, but atleast come up with a true comparison to mach...no one like fighting them, not even me....if you can fix the lag, or bring back the original tank, I mean seriously the tank is a down grade. Or better yet how about those lousy I ternet conection messages that pop up. Really, im running 50/50 quantum here, and everyone still disapeas.... OMG.... I feel a heart a tack come on.....it was truly a fun game 2 years ago, everyone still screams an whispers for squad wars, forget that, just give me a game that works with equal playing fields.... dont make me break out astroids....lol

yeah forget about squad wars and just give us a fun game to play im srry but this game and all its uphrades have only made things worse. I apologize because I understand zup must be working hard to keep us all happy. The tank isnt a huge issuse but its not flawless. I think the main concers for now and what zup really needs to work on is there isnt gonna be no squad "wars" if the team whom is german is destan to win.

I agree with dx, theres more importain issuse here (like being able to actully play and having a good time) rather than "squad wars" I think we speak for everyone when I say "LET US PLAY!!!!!!!!!"

Longrifle wrote: That's not the AI. Can't post fom here, but will look for pics tomorrow. The AI fielded in 1917, but was replaced in most French escadrilles by the SPAD

Sorry this is the al thats better.

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Longrifle wrote: That's not the AI. Can't post fom here, but will look for pics tomorrow. The AI fielded in 1917, but was replaced in most French escadrilles by the SPAD

Sorry this is the al thats better.

Yep, that's the one. She's pretty enough, right? Actually fielded over the front, nearly identical wingspan and profile to the D.VIII, therefore similar target area, though I'm interested since seeing Wig's comments on coding if the frontal area is the problem or if the frontal area is mistakenly coded such to have a an advantage.

I "see" the frontal area visible and realize that it has a pixel pattern associated with it, so a bullet probably doesn't go in between wthe wings of a biplane, but registers a hit. With a monowing this area would be less than half; dropping the pixel targeting area for one wing and the intervening space.

Too bad we can't turn on "visible target area" and see what the bullet sees, like infrared. That would answer a lot of questions. Even if the AI above was fielded as historical against the more performance than historical D.VIII I bet it would be more even than Camel vs. D.VIII, unless the bullet range is made more realistic and bullet drop is introduced. WWI planes firing flat trajectory lasers at ranges up to 1.5 kilometers introduces gameplay that is far less than realistic, and gives advantage to the smallest target on the battlefield. The actual killing advantages should be speed, turn radius, manueverability, aircraft frame strength, firepower, etc.

In reality the D. VIII never saw much combat, and the BMW-powered D.VII was the superior fighter at the end of the war. I can't find more than a couple references to D. VIII's scoring kills, and they were not extensively fielded in any front line Jasta at armistice that I can reference.

Longrifle wrote:

[M*]JÄCK BÜRTÖN1 wrote:

Longrifle wrote: That's not the AI. Can't post fom here, but will look for pics tomorrow. The AI fielded in 1917, but was replaced in most French escadrilles by the SPAD

Sorry this is the al thats better.

Yep, that's the one. She's pretty enough, right? Actually fielded over the front, nearly identical wingspan and profile to the D.VIII, therefore similar target area, though I'm interested since seeing Wig's comments on coding if the frontal area is the problem or if the frontal area is mistakenly coded such to have a an advantage.

I "see" the frontal area visible and realize that it has a pixel pattern associated with it, so a bullet probably doesn't go in between wthe wings of a biplane, but registers a hit. With a monowing this area would be less than half; dropping the pixel targeting area for one wing and the intervening space.

Too bad we can't turn on "visible target area" and see what the bullet sees, like infrared. That would answer a lot of questions. Even if the AI above was fielded as historical against the more performance than historical D.VIII I bet it would be more even than Camel vs. D.VIII, unless the bullet range is made more realistic and bullet drop is introduced. WWI planes firing flat trajectory lasers at ranges up to 1.5 kilometers introduces gameplay that is far less than realistic, and gives advantage to the smallest target on the battlefield. The actual killing advantages should be speed, turn radius, manueverability, aircraft frame strength, firepower, etc.

In reality the D. VIII never saw much combat, and the BMW-powered D.VII was the superior fighter at the end of the war. I can't find more than a couple references to D. VIII's scoring kills, and they were not extensively fielded in any front line Jasta at armistice that I can reference.

to add to bullet drop, there was also bullet spray, the rumble of the engine

Longrifle wrote: The Morane-Saulnier AI is the logical alternative, a match sizewise, more or less, and historically it actaully had combat deployment, unlike the Swallow. Intersting Swallow trivia; the prototype plane was sold to Harry Hawker after the war.

The Morane-Saulnier AI was faster than the D.VIII and had a better climb rate and higher ceiling. Wingspan was nearly identical, and therefore target area should be similar.

Longrifle,
I was thinking the same thing about this plane, and I believe that the Morane-Saulnier Was called the Type-N in the final French version.

What's so bad about the d8 anyway

I dont know read all the comments

Master_Chief wrote: What's so bad about the d8 anyway

nothing is bad about it, were just trying to come up with a diplomatic salution to get ppl to play allied again so the teams will be a lil more fair.

Master_Chief wrote: What's so bad about the d8 anyway

Nothing is bad about the D8 at all, after learning how to land it correctly in hot situations .
Its a Fantastic piece of killing equipment.
We are simply discussing a hypothetical allied equivalent.
Definitely not a single complaint from Me.

Von Len wrote:

Longrifle wrote: The Morane-Saulnier AI is the logical alternative, a match sizewise, more or less, and historically it actaully had combat deployment, unlike the Swallow. Intersting Swallow trivia; the prototype plane was sold to Harry Hawker after the war.

The Morane-Saulnier AI was faster than the D.VIII and had a better climb rate and higher ceiling. Wingspan was nearly identical, and therefore target area should be similar.

Longrifle,
I was thinking the same thing about this plane, and I believe that the Morane-Saulnier Was called the Type-N in the final French version.

The Type N is actually the more well known monoplane circa 1915 that Jack put up first. The AI is a monoplane, but a parasol like the D.VIII, meaning suspended above rather than part of the fuselage, like the Eindekker or the Type N. As a history buff, I'd like to be able to fly all of them, but as a gamer I think the AI matches the target area of the D. VIII