This thread is for fun! All things guns... Wanna show off your collection? Great! Wanna tell someone that collection is ridiculous? Great!

Lets do it here... Post your pics and opinions. If you're offended by gun ownership or you're gonna be upset because someone says you shouldn't own them, then move along. Don't read any further. Don't post. Want a good civil respectful discussion? Post away! But let's keep it here.

I own 3 handguns, 2 shotguns and a rifle... Oh and a marshmallow shooter! You want em, come try to take em, but until you find me standing in the school yard with em, you're gonna have a fight on your hands. I don't hunt, but I used to. No moral objections to it, I just don't have time. I still fish though but not with the guns or dynamite....anymore). I have them and will keep them. I will use them to teach my boys respect for firearms and safe handling and about the responsibility of gun ownership. I own them because I want to, not because I'm afraid someone is going to crawl through the window. If they do, I'll show one or more of my collection from the business end. I would much rather have them and never need them than the other way around.

Where I currently live, I am not required to register these weapons and I have not. If the government wants to know, they'll have to abuse my 4th amendment rights. If I lived somewhere that required registration, I would.

Every gun I own was given to me by family members, some that are no longer with me and I cherish them as much for their emotional values as anything.

You don't have to agree... I'm indifferent and not offended if you don't. I'm not offended if you feel the need to challenge my reason, but until the constitution and bill of rights are stripped, I will be offended if you try to challenge my RIGHT.

Now have at it boys.

Sheesh! You're a gun lover. I guess that's why you're on Dogfight!

Did you see those screenshots I sent of you? They're not that good but I thought you'd like them, just in case!

I love firearms I grew up around them my father was a gunsmith and I was giving my 1st(of many) rifles at age 6 was a 25-20 still have it, still shoots, Best little spot lighter,,,,,,,day light hunting rifle I've ever owned.... One my favorites is my 45-70 I take it when I'm hunting Rabbits , my 30 carbin ill use for fox, and other small game, my 6.5x55 swed fine little distance deer rifle then the 30-06, 6mm, 7mm,. And handguns,,,, there's just not many I don't have. Shotguns I use a 12 ga for bird 20 ga for rabbit a 410 for snake and my grandfathers old 8 ga to impress the girls that things a cannon... I'd post some pic but still haveing troble getting to load up on this iPad

Daredevil1122 wrote: Sheesh! You're a gun lover. I guess that's why you're on Dogfight!

Did you see those screenshots I sent of you? They're not that good but I thought you'd like them, just in case!

Yes I saw the pics. Pretty cool stuff. I wouldn't say I'm a gone lover or even an enthusiast. In a meeting just trying to focus some discussion from another thread. I just gave my story to start it off.

...for fighting, this is for fun?

I don't own any weapons, but my dad takes me shooting every now and then. I'm not really enthusiastic, but I like to watch. I get to see some pretty crazy stuff. Last weekend, I watched some Marines rip apart an old pickup truck with an M2. Those .50s really mess things up.

I'm pretty sure the guns on our planes are .50s, right?

On the topic of .50 caliber, my dad brought me a little gift from his last tour in Afghanistan.





This here is a .50 caliber round. The white stripe and red tip indicate it's an incendiary-tracer round, which I think is similar to what we use in Dogfight (each round is a tracer, that's for sure).

The casing makes most of the size (about 6 inches), but the bullet itself is easily an inch long. Imagine that thing coming at you 4000+ fps.

Ouch.

no....they usually used 30cal on those old planes. the allied planes mostly carried vickers or lewis guns ( the round drum on top )..not sure what the germans used.

i was a gun dealer for 25 years...sold some pretty exotic stuff including machineguns and silencers. never was intereted in hunting but always love shooting...and the faster the better...lol.

edit: just looked up the color code...it is an armor piercing incendary tracer. you got the whole ball of wax in that round! and no it is not illegal to own or possess an armor piercing round....

Then you've seen the old 8ga shotguns I never had the nerves to shoulder that thing. And I'm a Big guy.

i have never seen an 8 ga....have seen 10s. mostly used for goose. cant even imagine an 8!!

Luna6 wrote: ...for fighting, this is for fun?

I don't own any weapons, but my dad takes me shooting every now and then. I'm not really enthusiastic, but I like to watch. I get to see some pretty crazy stuff. Last weekend, I watched some Marines rip apart an old pickup truck with an M2. Those .50s really mess things up.

I'm pretty sure the guns on our planes are .50s, right?

On the topic of .50 caliber, my dad brought me a little gift from his last tour in Afghanistan.

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This here is a .50 caliber round. The white stripe and red tip indicate it's an incendiary-tracer round, which I think is similar to what we use in Dogfight (each round is a tracer, that's for sure).

The casing makes most of the size (about 6 inches), but the bullet itself is easily an inch long. Imagine that thing coming at you 4000+ fps.

Ouch.

By the way do insendry rounds damage things?

I live in the UK where we are not allowed guns, but that's fine with me I'm not particular interested but still a little knowledge can't hurt

they give off a tiny explosion of white phosphorous. if you watch gun footage from ww2 air battles you will see white dots flash on the plane when it is hit. that is the incendiary round going off. they become incendiary after they hit the plane...so if it hits a gas tank or is around fuel, oil, or anything else that can burn it has a chance of starting a fire. the armor piercing helps it get through several pieces of thinner metal or a pretty decent piece of armor plate. not a round you want to have coming at you... in ww1 the planes were mostly fabric and wood...bullets like this would pass right through if they didnt hit any of the wood structure....anything it did hit it would break or split...but they didnt really need armor piercing or the incendiary back then. the planes burned pretty easily without it them...lol

Right thanks

My wife and I love to shoot at the range. I've been shooting since college (national championship pistol team), and she's relatively new at it. We live in California, so everything is registered and background checked. 9mm pistols, 20ga shotgun, 9mm carbine, and a target .22. Everything is in safes, and the kids don't know about them yet, although the 10 year old is probably about ready but I'd like to wait until both kids are ready before introducing them. They do know that if they see a gun at school or ar a friend's house to not touch and to walk away and find a teacher or parent, and call me.

We're watching the political jockeying with interest. Hoping that something productive results, but if the starting point is to confuse the public with this cosmetic articulation of assault rifles, then it's not likely to go in a productive direction. For this and other reasons, we may not be long for California.

We are not gun nuts. We just happen to like sport shooting. My wife and I even tried some tactical competition, and it was a hoot. We get along with others who hate guns; hey we hate certain foods too so with some friends there are topics that we don't need to discuss. We totally respect those who choose not to arm themselves; it took a while and some serious thought (and safe /safe room strategy) before the first gun entered the house. Oh, and training, lots of that.

But we don't appreciate those who try to take away our rights. There are sensible ways to accomplish safety goals all around. Our country has lots of cars and planes, all potentially lethal in the wrong hands. Yet we don't ban those. Even those planes that "look like" what wartime pilots used to kill the enemy

Manfred

Bobbysox your right it's been a long time Sence I took that ol gun out and played with it but it is a 10ga sorry bout that

dont sweat it...i do believe there was an 8 ga long time ago.

I live in the western burbs of Chicago. Here in Illinois we are required to get a FOID card. You fill out the app, pay the fee ($10), go through a background check (state police)and if everything is on the up and up, you get your card. Without this card it is illegal to purchase or own a firearm or ammunition. As much as this sucks, it is the nature of the beast in this messed up state and I am in the process of obtaining my card. I don't hunt, but have had the opportunity to go to the range and fire off a few rounds. I enjoyed it very much and would like to be able to go again. I've even gotten to shoot a Desert Eagle, a .50 cal hand gun. It is a ridiculous weapon and more of a novelty than anything else but a heck of a lot of fun to shoot! The biggest problem with legislating gun control is it will only hurt the people who are responsible, law abiding gun owners. I heard on the radio today that the Chicago police have recovered 700+ guns this year.... Let that sink in for a second. This year is only 3 1/2 weeks old.....INSANE!!! Last year they took nearly 5000 guns off the streets. The problem is that the 99.9% of the people who are doing the shooting and killing people are obtaining their firearms illegally. They purchase them on the black market or steal them. Banning weapons will do nothing to stop these people from doing business as usual and in the end the only person affected is Joe Q. Public law abiding citizen. If we want to effect change we need to better enforce the laws that are on the books and increase the penalties for those who illegally obtain, posses and use firearms to commit crimes. Like I said I don't own a gun or am all gung ho about it, but I am concerned about the systematic dismemberment of the rights that so many have struggled and died for. It is a very slippery slope that we may end up 3/4's of the way down before we realize that there is a problem that we no longer have the voice or power to control.

Sorry PH if this sounds crazy or isn't what you intended for this thread but I feel better just saying it out loud.

ok folks,heres the gun that directly/indirectly started this thread by parrot..this is my duty/personal weapon,a Rock Island Armory 1911 in .45 ACP. It has a black oxide finish and is the standard military GI configuration,i use original colt magazines,not all pictured,and since they are all 7 rounds,its still...compliant. It is fitted with rosewood double diamond grips in 1918 pattern. The 1911 has been around for 100 years and has virtually been unchanged,it IS the most copied hangun ever created all over the world.That is my badge as I am a state licensed armed security officer.

Thanks guys. These are the types of posts I expected/hoped for. I also wouldn't mind here the opinions of those less supportive of gun ownership. State your case, give your opinion I just ask that those that do post and those that reply keep it civil. No attacking. This is thread is meant for intelligent discussion.

A little history on me and guns to give y'all insight of where my opinions are rooted.

I am the son of a Vietnam vet/police chief and a family of hunters. I grew up with any number of firearms in the house. I started shooting, under proper supervision as soon as I was able to hold a weapon. By the time I was a young teen, maybe even 12 I was hunting small game with a .22 on my own, safely. Though I admit I wouldn't let my own 14 year do that now, but he hasn't had the exposure and training that I had by that age.

I later joined the navy where I was required to qualify with standard watch weapons and special duty weapons, including m14, .45 (just like yours LOK, without the fancy grips), 9mm, m4 grenade launcher, 50 cal, 12ga and probably others. I qualified as expert and sharpshooter on those that had such classifications. I was also qualified to use weapons of non-lethal force, including sand bag projectiles, pepper spray and fire hose.

I found it odd that I order to qualify to pepper spray (two different times) I had to be sprayed myself, but that for any other qualification this was not required. I think we just had some sadistic bastards in charge.

Anyway, I served as a watch officer on deck and as a member of the the Ship's Self Defense Force(SSDF), essentially the ship's SWAT team.

My first job out of the navy was an armed security officer at a nuclear power plant. Again this was essential a paramilitary SWAT team.

All of this to say I personally feel I am highly qualified to own and use a firearm. I have earned it. I understand the responsibility of gun ownership. I realize I am by far the exception of props my most gun owners. I do hink there needs to be some show of competence before a person should be allowed to own a weapon. As states earlier, cars a ee deadly in the wrong hands, but we require a licensing process to use them. To the point made earlier, further restriction on gun ownership only restricts those already abiding by the laws. Cars are stolen and driven illegally too.

I don't have the answer, but I know I won't willingly give up my rights or my weapons. I do believe better enforcement of exist laws would go a long way.

Again feel free to post to the contrary. I welcome it.

I had concealed permit's in Washington and Oregon.....I did carry....I had a guy jump out from behind a dumster year's ago in Oregon and come at me...sneakers squeek real loud on the black top....He was far enough away....about 20 feet when He stopped. His look told me everything (OH CRAP)...so I reholstered...He took off running...All I could holler was "Maybe think about messin with the little guy next time". I never did get a response.... And Don't even think I enjoyed what I did..I was just as scared as he was....Conclusion... I was able to protect my self...And yes I took a class....I also have been around gun's for 46 year's...
A close family member who was against carry permit's now carries.... A person broke into her house and had his way....The whole time she was begging not to wake her boy's up.....She spent some time in the hospital....Her mother spent time cleaning up the mess....He didn't use a gun.....

I respect anyone's and everyone's opinion's....The word tolerate goes along way here...

Ok. Parrot... I can't resist answering this. Here is the answer to this problem. It is ridiculously simple.

"We the United States government will no longer be arming Mexican drug cartels, third world warlords who are our enemies' enemy, and we will cease all non necessary testing of ketchup as of today. In turn, we will now be partnering with the NRA to provide 4 week gun safety courses to any eligible citizen. The time that you take off for this will be treated similarly to jury duty, and no penalty may be imposed by your employer if you choose to partake. To be eligible you must have no felony, domestic violence charge, have never been deemed mentally unstable etc etc. This course will teach proper firearm care, handling, safety, basic self defense, non-violent conflict resolution, and other skills as determined to be neccessary. All who graduate this course will be issued a (name gun here), and a concealed weapons carry permit that is good nationwide. If you are ever convicted of a disqualifying offense, this certification will be revoked. All former members of the United States military, who have received at minimum an honorable discharge will be issued this certification immediately (pending no disqualifying offenses since date of discharge). A basic written test and range qualification must be completed every ten years to maintain this permit.

We the congress strongly encourage all citizens to participate in this program. Although the second amendment GUARANTEES your right to bear arms, we feel that by providing additional training, and arming those who receive it, we can greatly reduce crime, the threat of terrorism, and promote responsible gun ownership.

I know the wording is a bit shaky, but you get the general
Idea. Solving problems does not always have to restrict ones behavior. Rather, rewarding those who go a step in the right direction, I think, would work much better.

Almost forgot the most important part. Graduates at 80% or higher will receive certification, 68% and above will be allowed to retest after additional training. Those who are below 68% or fail to score above 80% on their second attempt will be issued a genuine Louisville slugger and a coloring book.

My everyday day carry weapon: Kahr PM919...

Features: Extended grip clip, 7+1...
External safety...
Loaded Chamber Indicator...

Upgrades: Green fiber optic sights...
Crimson trace laser grip...

Well over 4000 rounds shot and only one misfire: Defective round was pin stuck and did not ignite... Cheap ammo I got for next to nothing..

This is my favorite rifle
Its a Sako Vixen .222
that have bin rebarreled whith a Hart heavybarrel into 6mm PPC
and on top its a Leopold 6.5-20 finecross dott.



The presision in this rifle is why its my favorit.

This is 5 shots @ 100m (109.36yd) and center to center of the bullets farest apart is 4.42mm (0.174")

Sonny,

How's that loaded chamber indicator working for you? We just added a Sig P229 to the mix, and there are only a few versions of that allowed in California (no frills version, or if you want a beavertail over the back, that version has to have the loaded chamber indicator -- weird CA list). I opted to go without the indicator. Logic at the time was that I wouldn't trust the negative indication of no round chambered.

But I always wonder if I would have used the positive indication, like a confirmation that I did rack the slide. I can see some CCW scenarios for that. Of course, regular folks can't carry in CA, so my scenarios were all about home defense, and it's no problem to rack the slide as I pull the gun out of the safe. Different for CCW. I think I would carry with a round in the chamber otherwise there is little purpose. And then I'd prefer a thumb safety instead of double-action-only safety. And then a round indicator could be useful as a positive reminder (just not a negative indicator).

Manfred

This is my Dog Fight phone. Does it count?

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: This is my Dog Fight phone. Does it count?

That looks like a carpal tunnel nightmare. But accurate
Manfred

As some one that's had to shoot someone else on 2 different occasions to protect myself and family, I hope nobody here ever has to use a weapon in such a maner but if you do,,,you better be mentally ready for the backlash to follow. Did I really have to shoot? could I have found a better way to handle it? All this goes though your mind, just remember THEY, took away your choices,THEY put you there and in that situation. You didn't ask to be there. Nether of mine were fatal and both were justified under Texas Law under home invasion. And we lived in a nice neighborhood with manicured lawns and security gates... So yes, if they want it, they will come. Will you be ready?

I just bought a weatherby lazermark 5. 300 win mag. Beautiful woodwork. Cherry oak or something like that. Topped with a Leopold scope. Can really reach out and touch some things with it. Dont know how to post pics though.

I have been very lucky not to have to go that far Dr Dave.....I have 2 other instances in my life where a shotgun and just yelling I'm gonna &&&&&&&&&&&&& Made them leave the house....
funny how this never happens to me scenerio seem's to happen to me....