Big Tex wrote:

Bobbysox wrote:

Big Tex wrote: I don't understand Bobbysox. Are you saying that the current government is despotic, destructive, and oppressive??

i am saying any government can transform into that. people usually think they are too smart and too intelligent to repeat the mistakes made in history...but history keeps getting repeated...

Whoa!! I get that any government that allows the Kardashians, Honey Boo Boo and Jersey Shore to stay on TV may seem oppressive and despotic....

Seriously though, all this talk of our government being oppressive is silly at best, and dangerously seditious at worst. I am no Constitutional expert, nor am I able to speak intelligently about the Western European republican/parliamentary governments either. I think that all of you have been very respectful of each other's views, even the far left ones like mine, and I applaud each member brave and willing enough to voice their opinion.

That being said, it really bothers me on a personal level that the American government can be similarly compared to any of the despotic, tyrannical, dictatorial regimes that have shown the worst in human behavior...

I hear you Tex. I'm not of the opinion that this government is there. I'm not even sure what evidence I see. But IMO the past several administrations (doesn't matter which party) have shown growing media manipulation and misinformation, so that I don't know what to believe anymore. And as my own uncertainty grows, my innate trust diminishes. For the statistically inclined, my error bars grow, in both directions. And when I plan, I don't ignore the up-side, but I definitely think through and mitigate the possibilities of the down-side.

I don't spend all day thinking about this. But when moves are made to further legislate things like gun control, I have to look at the bottom of my error bar and wonder, what if this is a cloaked pursuit of eventual confiscation? When moves are made to push universal health care when I believe strongly that insurance reform is mostly what's needed to straighten out healthcare problems, I have to look at the bottom of my error bar and wonder, wouldn't the government's placing itself in between patients and doctors give it enormous power that is not needed? When amnesty is proposed without first securing borders, I have to wonder whether the agenda is to secure more administration-friendly voters inside the border. And when legislation is proposed to repeal the 22nd amendment and lift term limits for the presidency at a time when we have an enormously popular president who I believe is hiding much of his actual agenda, I have to wonder if the people know what they are voting themselves into?

My point is that the comparison to those other governments is not as ludicrous as it sounds, from an eventual sense. I truly believe that in this day and age of media and internet, the average voter is easily manipulated. It doesn't take a huge leap to envision government leadership that exploits that societal weakness in incrementally increasing amounts, until an endpoint is reached wherein a government can simply choose what the people see versus what the government pursues beneath board (and justify it as being for the good of the country). One can argue that every administration in the modern news age has accomplished this to varying degrees. I believe that the capability only increases from here. My own error-bar suspicions are that this current administration has a lot up its sleeve, with a vision that goes toward some of those past examples, maybe not from malevolence but from a simple belief that legislators know better and need to insert themselves more instead of less.

Some on this thread don't think we are going there. Some on this thread think that we are already well down the slope and it may be too late. But I think it's pretty conclusive that in the internet age, most of the voters don't have the capability to know where we are at any given time. That's what scares me. Then throw in my strong capitalist beliefs and right-bias, and I think that explains my positions.

Manfred

Very well put. Karma to you my friend.

I very much am in agreement with you regarding the media, and the role it plays in our lives today. There are very few true journalists working today. Unfortunately, everything boils down to the bottom line, whether that be the news, television, movies, healthcare, or education. Everyone who can get connected on line can post a blog online, and none of what they spout has to be true at all, none of the facts have to be verified; the louder the message, the better. Special interests have hijacked our political process, and I fear that nothing short of a world-wide crisis on the scale of the second world war will ever get our politicians to work together for the good of the country.

Holistically, I have a very hard time understanding why the richest nation in the history of the planet cannot afford to educate its citizens and take care of their health. It's beyond me to comprehend anything other than an easy solution. At a company I worked with in the past, gastric bypass and breast augmentation were covered by our insurance, but my hearing aids were not. Really?? We demand that our kids pass state mandated levels of core competencies, yet don't fully address the problems from all facets, and only blame the teachers when the whole system is designed to fail but for the priveleged few.

Yes we are easily manipulated. We are manipulated because we choose not to keep ourselves educated about the real issues. If we don't box it up to you, and present it at a level that is so dumbed down, you're not going to watch. If I see another reality show, I'm going to borrow one of y'alls guns and shoot my tv! Honey Boo Boo on the LEARNING Channel? Really???

I've always felt that the best weapon against ignorance is knowledge, but being informed doesn't increase the bottom line. I'd much rather fight what I see as political apathy and malaise with my right to demand of my leaders "WTF??" It's harder, I know, but I look at my grandmother, a disenfranchised sharecropper and maid who only had a 2nd grade education, and my father, who was raised in a segregated South, and was the first in his family to graduate High School, let alone earn a college degree, and feel that if I don't say something, then my friends are right, and history will repeat itself. I just choose to react differently.

And for the record, Fox News does have the hottest talking heads...

Lol Tex. Fully agree with you. On the Fox News heads

And pretty much the rest of that post too. If all voters could get educated on the facts and not take the packaged, filtered, misleading reports (from either side) on faith, I think very productive debate could ensue. And much of it would then fall to disagreements in interpretation of facts, which is nothing but healthy. That would be diversity of opinion that would be healthy. Whether my candidate wins or loses, I would know it's because knowledgeable people voted that way, and no one was tricked or allowed themselves to be fooled. I would like to live in that world. The politicians would be fully accountable, and informed people would hold them to it.

On the education and healthcare issue, I agree with the holistic statement. But there is an execution problem. My view is that bureaucracies' ability to do good diminishes exponentially with their size. Insurance companies are already big, and they do suck at some basic logic, and have a really hard time getting out of their own way. Protect them as oligopolies within each state, and then we have sucky bureaucracies with little incentive to improve. My objection to the U.S. Government handling health care administration is purely because I believe it is the single biggest bureaucracy, not immune from the group-think and dumb-fumbling of such organizations, with no competition and no natural incentives to do the job right (note that military and civil protection DO have natural incentives and are spankin' stellar; wish all of it were that way). By its nature, it will be highly inefficient in its use of each dollar. Then being the government, it is not immune from (and arguably is most impacted by) political wranglings.

Bottom line behind all those words is that I think the government will suck at healthcare administration! It sure doesn't make efficient use of the dollar in education. Results of public education are admittedly mixed. We are likely moving from a state where I won't send my kids to practically any public school (and can't afford the neighborhoods where we would), to a state where public education is pretty good. We're finally sending our kids (one of them anyway) to a public school! Yea! Anyway, I digress. Wherever you and I are on the spectrum, the question on healthcare may come down to: Who will suck worse, insurance companies or federal government? I guess I don't know for sure, especially between Obamacare and an unimproved insurance industry. But again, I have my wish list for insurance reform (also includes some immigration reform to control costs in border states).

Linking back to the thread topic: That state we're likely moving to is very pro gun rights. Private sales without background checks. Am I nervous? Yeah, a little, but I'm coming from California, where I'm nervous in the other direction. The Feds are likely going to pass universal background checks anyway, and with that in place, I'd rather be in a state where more residents are passionate about retaining their right to bear arms and resisting more gun control. California can do what it wants - we're outta here, hopefully this summer.

Ok, back to watching the news. (Just kidding.)

Manfred

Ok. I can't resist

No no no, there's no such thing as semi-auto. Journalists universally refer to handguns and rifles as "automatic."

Now THAT was funny J!!!

pappy green wrote: Hi all.
Guns are a very important subject in my house. My two oldest kids have both shot guns, and know very well that they are not toys or trifles because they have had them in their hands. Their experience is not limited to a Hollywood movie.

I have 3 kids, 14, 11, and 5. I am a sensitive sap when it comes to children and families; in other words I have every, and I mean EVERY sympathy for the parents who lost kids in CT. My kids go to school one hour's drive from where the shooting occurred.

Please forgive me the length of the following post, but it is among my passions:

I am an originalist; I believe in the original intent of the Constitution as specified by Jefferson and Madison. The Constitution is not "living" or evolving, nor is it an anachronism. It was set up to establish parameters to limit government, limit it in such a way that government would never encroach upon the life or property of a citizen.

However the Constitution and Bill of Rights are just pieces of paper. They (Const and BoR) only have teeth if the people are vigilant and keep the government at bay by the "soap box, ballot box,.." and at last resort in the setting of real impending tyranny, ..cartridge box".

The second amendment is not about hunting. It is about a person protecting himself, his family, or a community protecting themselves, etc. An armed population is the counter to a standing army in the hands of a leadership bent on destroying the Constitution.

The Oath to preserve and protect the Constitution is against all enemies...foreign and domestic; it is not about allegiance to a man or a government. It is an oath to the People, and to protect their liberties by upholding the Constitution.

Guns are a tool for protection of one's life and property.

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"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

Very well said my friend!!!!!.......I was going to post on this thread, but pappy said pretty much what I was going to say. Our Constittion was founded on Gods principles. We as a nation need to stand up for our Constitution/bill of rights. Many of us know the real reason for the infringment of our right to bear arms. It certainly isnt for "our safety"...lol......
For those willing to give up their arms for peace and safety, DESERVE NEITHER peace nor safety.......
Remember......when the people fear the govt. there is tyranny..When the govt. fears the people, there is LIBERTY........

I am the owner of many firearms and will teach my 3 children how to handle them properly.....they will also be taught the true meaning of why we have the constition. (Much easier to teach our children the true history, seeing they are home schooled)...

Remember....anything that goes against the constitution is NULL AND VOID.....

sorry for the poor spelling etc...Im in a hurry and have big thumbs....lol
take care
james

General Jack and Pappy, I salute you for being responsible gun owners, and teaching your children how to safely handle firearms.

Not going to argue your carefully researched quotes by some of our founding fathers, as I have no doubt that they said those exact words. I disagree with you wholheartedly that the context in which they were written, as well as the times for which they were written still apply today; see my above remarks if you're so inclined.

I also would like to point out that Pappy, we need people like you and I who fervently believe in the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. We need them to understand better WHAT the Constitution actually states however. I do not understand your definition of "originalist". The Consitution IS living, and it HAS evolved. By the very definition, to amend something means to change it. The Bill of Rights were the first ten changes made to the Constitution, including your beloved 2nd Amendment, thereby altering the origianl document forever. It has been changed 17 more times since then, so I don't understand how you claim that the Constitution is not evolving.

Also, Jefferson was not a member of the Constitutional Convention - he was still working in Paris as the American ambassador to France; he missed the drafting of the Constitution entirely. He was the main author of the Declaration of Independence. You are correct in that it was James Madison, along with Alexander Hamilton and John Jay, who are remembered as the primary architects of what became the Constitution.

You are also right that George Mason, along side James Madison, are credited with both the creation, as well as the conception of the Bill of Rights. In Madison's case, it was a result of his noticing that there was an absence of a Constitutional clause providing a system for both the amendment and adjustment of the original text. George Mason considered the fact that the Constitution lacked a clause that allowed for the passing of amendments enough of a reason that he is noted for his refusal to sign the Constitution as a delegate! A clause was subsequently created rectifying these concerns, which resulted in the proposal of the Bill of Rights in 1789, as well as its subsequent ratification in 1791.

You're also right in that the Oath of Office contains the words "...to protect and preserve the Constitution...". Doesn't that oath then mean that it includes the WHOLE Constitution, including the part that states how the Constitution is to be amended, otherwise known as Article 5?

And General Jack, I commend that you have decided to home school your kids. Please keep in mind that while the delegates to the Constitutional Convention were very devout Christians, it does not necessarily mean that the Constituion was founded on God's principles. In fact, it's widely known that when creating the Bill of Rights, that the First amendment, in establishing the Freedom of Religion, prohibits Congress from establishing a religion and protecting the right to free exercise of religion. I thank God that they were wise enough to understand the difference between their spirituality and creating a seperate civic document that was to be the supreme law of the land. The principles that our Constitution was founded on come from many sources and influencers, among them:

* The Roman Republic and ancient Greek City States.

* English common law and the Magna Carta.

* British political philosophers Thomas Hobbes and John Locke, who wrote about the social contract that governements have with their citizens, who are to be governed only through the willful consent of the people. They said that Government's duty under a social contract among the sovereign people was to serve them by protecting their rights. They wrote that these basic rights were life, liberty and property.

* Montesquieu, emphasized the need for balanced forces (an executive, judicial, and legislative) pushing against each other to prevent tyranny.

* The Iroquois nations' political confederacy and democratic government under the Great Law of Peace.

I write this not to insult anyone or their beliefs, but rather to encourage everyone to please take the time to let the emotion out of what is a contentious issue, and not let the facts of what the Constitution says about the Second Amendment (guarantees the right of citizens to keep their own weapons apart from state-run arsenals) get all mixed up by those that don't take the time to fully understand what it actually says.

Thanks Tex. What a great 100th post for this thread. I now consider this thread a great success and am proud to have created it. I'm not patting myself on the back. I am just very pleased that with circumstances under which this thread was started, it has turned out to be such a genuine discussion amongst folks with very different opinion, thoughts and beliefs.

Thank you all for participating.
PH

Theres some from my arsenal...

S&W MP9, Ruger mkIII, S&W 22A and S&W 5904. (9mm)


This tricked Ruger mkIII serves as my kids go-to gun when evil balloons and sporting clays try to take over our shooting place. I installed that vertical grip on silencer because after ten magazines that silencer gets really hot. Shooting that gun brings smile on anybodys face...

Since I live in peaceful eastern neighbor of Bellsaj I dont keep my guns loaded. And no need to carry.

Needed to restock some ammo, 9mm range rounds and .22LR target. Local stores are tapped out. Mail order is tapped out. Went to the gun show in Del Mar yesterday toting my hand truck... it opened at 8, and I arrived in the traffic line at 8:50. Parked by 9:20. Line to get a ticket took 1.5 hours. Line to get in the gate took 1.5 hours. What a zoo! Bought some spare magazine kits and then stood in line for one of the ammo vendors, which took 2.5 hours. When I got served, I found out that they had run out of reloads and factory range loads, and all they had left was some Wolf 9mm (magnetic), which won't do at a range. And nothing decent for target .22. I was back in my car a little after 3:00. It would have been a total waste of a day if I hadn't met some nice folks in line and had some good chats.

This is getting bad! Is it all demand (concerned citizens stocking up), or is there a supply problem?

Manfred

It's just as bad for reloading supplies.... A week ago Cabela's in Hamburg PA was wiped out of most reloading supplies and equipment.... No primers, powder, bullets, cases or Dies.......

Dent have you tried sinclairint.com?
They may have what you need.

Gun lovers,
Your rights are immutable, no dispute. I am opposed to private gun ownership but I would never be so arrogant as to take the moral high ground over others - apart from White South Africans, Black South Africans, Celebrity Chefs, Line Dancers, Serbians, Metallica Fans, Irish Rockers (dropkick murphys excepted) Scots, Welsh, BP, Danish, Trekkies, French, Producers of Veal and Caged Eggs, Australian MPs, Greeks, Royalty, Traffic Police, Manchester United, Italians, the cast of the Big Bang Theory and the BBC.
But this thread has always been a bit uneven. You guys can always resort to like minded photos of guns and gun accessories. We can't compete. A photo of my non-gun collection would not cut it. The moral position of an argument is one thing, but obvious inflamation is another. Parrot, honestly, some of the pro-gun posts are quite offensive to others in the forum. Why is the mov depicting an idiot nearly blowing his head off with a shot gun funny? And how does it add value to a responsble debate?
Would you consider shutting this down? Not because of the original premise, but because it has perhaps lost its purpose? There are plenty (I imagine) of social fora for gun lovers looking for 9mm ammo. Would you consider taking this stuff somewhere else?
I have views about Guantanamo Bay, abortion, gay marriage and euthenasia, but I would not bring them here.
Please don't pick me up on a point of detail, just take this for what it is - a plea from a high minded liberal who has no idea about private gun ownership, but has a feeling that this thread is more divisive than constructive.
With respect, Ronnie

Well that's upsetting
Nobody mentioned my pic

Ronnie,

Thanks for your post. I'm not sure how to shut a thread down, if I wanted to. That could be useful information. Anyone?

Secondly, I find it incredibly interesting that the posts on here could be offensive. The idiot with the shotgun, well it's an idiot with a shotgun. Bill Dance (I don't expect you to know who that is) smacking himself in the tenders with his fishing pole is funny too. I agree the clip with the idiot is not an arguement for private gun ownership. It does illustrate that just having the "right" to own doesn't mean everyone SHOULD. It also illustrates that those that do own guns should have minimal training, legally, and common sense, realistically.

Back to offensive posts... I am at a loss here. Please explain how the posts are offensive. I realize we have an international community here and the views differ. The purpose of starting this thread was to 1) get the topic off another thread 2) Give gun enthusists an outlet 3) Allow "other" opinions to be voiced and discussed.

I NEVER imagined there was offense to be taken. I am not outright refusing your request. I am actually complying, in that I am "considering" it.

Thanks,
PH

The thing that bother's me is the fact that you have to hide who you really are in the closet to be accepted... It's been that way for many many year's.....

People will not and never will accept each other for who and what they are....
strong friendships have been lost because of a lifestyle,choice or stance unknown to a friend....

I've grown more accepting of many thing's since I've gotten older, and am very lucky to have traveled to a few different countries to experience some differences that have helped me in my own life.

Because of who I am today, I can hopefully teach my daughter to be as accepting as possible of all things in life.

This was not posted to offend anyone. Nor was it posted to try and save this thread....

General lee CSA wrote: Well that's upsetting
Nobody mentioned my pic

Some leave those littering all over the place. Those last ones must be 30-06 blank, 7,62x39 and some sort of slug.



Anybody recognize these?

the last one is an actual minie ball found on the gettysburg battlefield

Ronnie I hate to see this thread offends you but Parrot I would not take it down or close it, where as I like Ronnie and do not wish to offend him myself, He does have the right not to read this thread as there are threads I don't agree with and thus I just don't read them, Again Ronnie I like you and mean no disrespect but there are others here that enjoy threads such as this and they shouldn't have to go without for one persons opinions.



And I may add I mean no disrespect to you or your opinions

Ronnie Biggs wrote: Gun lovers,
Your rights are immutable, no dispute. I am opposed to private gun ownership but I would never be so arrogant as to take the moral high ground over others - apart from White South Africans, Black South Africans, Celebrity Chefs, Line Dancers, Serbians, Metallica Fans, Irish Rockers (dropkick murphys excepted) Scots, Welsh, BP, Danish, Trekkies, French, Producers of Veal and Caged Eggs, Australian MPs, Greeks, Royalty, Traffic Police, Manchester United, Italians, the cast of the Big Bang Theory and the BBC.
But this thread has always been a bit uneven. You guys can always resort to like minded photos of guns and gun accessories. We can't compete. A photo of my non-gun collection would not cut it. The moral position of an argument is one thing, but obvious inflamation is another. Parrot, honestly, some of the pro-gun posts are quite offensive to others in the forum. Why is the mov depicting an idiot nearly blowing his head off with a shot gun funny? And how does it add value to a responsble debate?
Would you consider shutting this down? Not because of the original premise, but because it has perhaps lost its purpose? There are plenty (I imagine) of social fora for gun lovers looking for 9mm ammo. Would you consider taking this stuff somewhere else?
I have views about Guantanamo Bay, abortion, gay marriage and euthenasia, but I would not bring them here.
Please don't pick me up on a point of detail, just take this for what it is - a plea from a high minded liberal who has no idea about private gun ownership, but has a feeling that this thread is more divisive than constructive.
With respect, Ronnie

Ronnie, really? Moral high ground over Metallica? Come-on..and Trekkies? Ouch...greeks/itallians/africans? A bit touchy my friend..but above all all, the big bang theory? I suggest some further reading into the sciences and there are some incredible, highly intellectual and completely entertaining debates on you tube, just watch anything by Christopher Hitchens. We stand at the opposite sides of the spectrum but that's the beauty of human nature. Opposing views are always welcomed and intriguing to me.

Hey chill out... I found something real offensive from youtube. You know... the place where the final truth is...


This is horrible. Shotgun, innocent golfers...

Captain Noushbag wrote:

Ronnie Biggs wrote: Gun lovers,
Your rights are immutable, no dispute. I am opposed to private gun ownership but I would never be so arrogant as to take the moral high ground over others - apart from White South Africans, Black South Africans, Celebrity Chefs, Line Dancers, Serbians, Metallica Fans, Irish Rockers (dropkick murphys excepted) Scots, Welsh, BP, Danish, Trekkies, French, Producers of Veal and Caged Eggs, Australian MPs, Greeks, Royalty, Traffic Police, Manchester United, Italians, the cast of the Big Bang Theory and the BBC.
But this thread has always been a bit uneven. You guys can always resort to like minded photos of guns and gun accessories. We can't compete. A photo of my non-gun collection would not cut it. The moral position of an argument is one thing, but obvious inflamation is another. Parrot, honestly, some of the pro-gun posts are quite offensive to others in the forum. Why is the mov depicting an idiot nearly blowing his head off with a shot gun funny? And how does it add value to a responsble debate?
Would you consider shutting this down? Not because of the original premise, but because it has perhaps lost its purpose? There are plenty (I imagine) of social fora for gun lovers looking for 9mm ammo. Would you consider taking this stuff somewhere else?
I have views about Guantanamo Bay, abortion, gay marriage and euthenasia, but I would not bring them here.
Please don't pick me up on a point of detail, just take this for what it is - a plea from a high minded liberal who has no idea about private gun ownership, but has a feeling that this thread is more divisive than constructive.
With respect, Ronnie

Ronnie, really? Moral high ground over Metallica? Come-on..and Trekkies? Ouch...greeks/itallians/africans? A bit touchy my friend..but above all all, the big bang theory? I suggest some further reading into the sciences and there are some incredible, highly intellectual and completely entertaining debates on you tube, just watch anything by Christopher Hitchens. We stand at the opposite sides of the spectrum but that's the beauty of human nature. Opposing views are always welcomed and intriguing to me.

OK, I'll take back Metallica and Big Bang.

if there is a store that sells something that offends me, i dont go in. if there is a tv show that displays views that are counter to my beliefs, i do not watch it. if there is a thread that offends me, i will not read it...but in all cases i will not implure anyone to shut them down. my views and things that offend me are just that....My, Me, Mine. i cannot and will not hold others to my strict or lax beliefs. open whatever thread you wish ronnie. if it offends me i will simply not participate. i value free speech as much as the second amendment.

Dave, Dent, Parrot,
I Am not offended by this thread. Nothing really offends me at all. I just feel that this thread has lost its way. It was supposed to be a discussion, but has been reduced to defiant pictures of guns and ammo. There's nothing wrong with that in itself, but I'm not sure if that was your original purpose.
Dent, If you're taking a shot at me about hidden identities, the people I trust in this forum know me well. Suggest you pm your email address and I will tell you all about me.

For those that haven't seen the TV show "The Big Bang Theory":

ParrotHead wrote: This thread is for fun! All things guns... Wanna show off your collection? Great! Wanna tell someone that collection is ridiculous? Great!

Lets do it here... Post your pics and opinions. If you're offended by gun ownership or you're gonna be upset because someone says you shouldn't own them, then move along. Don't read any further. Don't post. Want a good civil respectful discussion? Post away! But let's keep it here........Now have at it boys.

Ronnie, the quote above is from my original post on this thread. For the sake of multiple-national audiences. The name of the post, "This is my rifle. This is my gun...." is part of a movie quote. (Google it)

I started this thread to give an outlet to gun stuff. At the time it was showing up in other threads and was getting some heated attention. It was being discussed in mixed company and some folks didn't care for it. So, I started the thread to consolidate it and so that it wasn't put where people who don't want to see it don't have to. I hoped and did get responses from both sides of the aisle. I told people to post pics and I told people to ridicule them if they wanted(in a cvilized manner). The only rules are really to stay on topic "guns" and be civil. There are other special interest threads on the forum Remote Control and Knives for example. I don't frequent them because I do not have interest in them. I expected this thread to fall in line with those. I will admit there is arguably stronger feelings about firearms than there is remote controlled planes, but just wanted to give a topic a place to live.

Now please don't think I'm upset. I am not. If something posted here is truly offensive, please point it out. I will be the first one to ask a mod to handle it. Also, if something is offensive, but not obvious to me, please please please point it out and help me understand.

ParrotHead wrote:

ParrotHead wrote: This thread is for fun! All things guns... Wanna show off your collection? Great! Wanna tell someone that collection is ridiculous? Great!

Lets do it here... Post your pics and opinions. If you're offended by gun ownership or you're gonna be upset because someone says you shouldn't own them, then move along. Don't read any further. Don't post. Want a good civil respectful discussion? Post away! But let's keep it here........Now have at it boys.

Ronnie, the quote above is from my original post on this thread. For the sake of multiple-national audiences. The name of the post, "This is my rifle. This is my gun...." is part of a movie quote. (Google it)

I started this thread to give an outlet to gun stuff. At the time it was showing up in other threads and was getting some heated attention. It was being discussed in mixed company and some folks didn't care for it. So, I started the thread to consolidate it and so that it wasn't put where people who don't want to see it don't have to. I hoped and did get responses from both sides of the aisle. I told people to post pics and I told people to ridicule them if they wanted(in a cvilized manner). The only rules are really to stay on topic "guns" and be civil. There are other special interest threads on the forum Remote Control and Knives for example. I don't frequent them because I do not have interest in them. I expected this thread to fall in line with those. I will admit there is arguably stronger feelings about firearms than there is remote controlled planes, but just wanted to give a topic a place to live.

Now please don't think I'm upset. I am not. If something posted here is truly offensive, please point it out. I will be the first one to ask a mod to handle it. Also, if something is offensive, but not obvious to me, please please please point it out and help me understand.

Apologies. Should have gone to the beginning. Your earlier "100th post" proclamation led me to believe there was a higher purpose here. Stand down everyone, Ronnie's retreating.

onsekone wrote: Hey chill out... I found something real offensive from youtube. You know... the place where the final truth is...


This is horrible. Shotgun, innocent golfers...

He's lucky he didn't get a club smashed in his face