If you met me in real life, chances are you'd think I was a really nice guy. In game chat, you'd probably think otherwise. This is because I am easily angered and frustrated. The problem I have is that it takes 5 friggin minutes to get across the field (if you get across)and you miss the hangar when you drop the bomb and you can't even use bullets to destroy them. THIS is what gets me cussing and throwing my device against the wall. I know, I know... "it's just a game" I know. I can't be the only person with this issue!

Can't you just allow say 50 or 100 bullets to destroy a hangar? Skill would still be required, the game would move along faster and it'd be much less frustrating!

The problem with that is all the people that would drop their bombs, camp at the enemy base and use the excuse they "were shooting the hangars"

How could they camp at the enemy base? They'd be shot by the enemies.

Not if they spawn kill and/or have a better plane or better play style.

Bombs or no bombs, they can still spawn kill.

All I have to say is said here...

dogfightplay.com/index.php/forum/2-gossi...fessor-parrot#125384

PH- i fixed it. Can we move on?

What I really don't get is that these bullets can destroy a plane with 3 shots and blow up a tank with a few more but over 100 of them couldn't destroy a small wood/canvas hangar.

I am not sure realism is that important since the game also features 2 carriers in lakes that can be "captured" by landing on them for 90 seconds. Would it really take 10 bombs to sink one? At any rate, the game is set up to provide semi-realistic flight simulator experiences with skill driven missions. Have fun and see you in the skies. As far as cussing goes, my 10 year old plays so please consider that when you throw out an f-bomb in chat.

TXLAWMAN wrote: I am not sure realism is that important since the game also features 2 carriers in lakes that can be "captured" by landing on them for 90 seconds. Would it really take 10 bombs to sink one? At any rate, the game is set up to provide semi-realistic flight simulator experiences with skill driven missions. Have fun and see you in the skies. As far as cussing goes, my 10 year old plays so please consider that when you throw out an f-bomb in chat.

Yes... About the cussing thing... First off, you all have my apologies... I'm normally a very nice guy, it's just that... Well... My anger problem... I figured out that the best way to avoid "raging" is to act as an escort for my teammates in BTB instead of trying to bomb it myself, missing and losing my self control. I also think it a good idea to stay away from CTC.

Fair enough?

-jman70- wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: I am not sure realism is that important since the game also features 2 carriers in lakes that can be "captured" by landing on them for 90 seconds. Would it really take 10 bombs to sink one? At any rate, the game is set up to provide semi-realistic flight simulator experiences with skill driven missions. Have fun and see you in the skies. As far as cussing goes, my 10 year old plays so please consider that when you throw out an f-bomb in chat.

Yes... About the cussing thing... First off, you all have my apologies... I'm normally a very nice guy, it's just that... Well... My anger problem... I figured out that the best way to avoid "raging" is to act as an escort for my teammates in BTB instead of trying to bomb it myself, missing and losing my self control. I also think it a good idea to stay away from CTC.

Fair enough?

If you're not carrying a bomb in a BtB or BTC missions, then you're not playing right--not a sport.

Best advice is to hone your skills and learn to bomb.
Yes, it gets frustrating. You should see some of the long missions the rest of us have because of it--2+ hours.

Be patient.

Now wait a minute... I can still act as an escort to the bombers or work defense. Flying in without a bomb makes me more maneuverable thus able to mow a clear path for my teammates.

I still carry a bomb in BTC missions. Bigger target, less frustrating.

I know how to bomb, but handling frustration is much more difficult for me than most people.

I never fly without a bomb unless I come accross a person like you who doesn't carry then I have to drop to be able to fight you, if I have to do that then I will target you and then keep you on the runway while my team comes in.

Even if I'm outnumbered I still carry.

You mean spawn kill? Not if I shoot you from the ground.

Saying someone is "not playing right" is a bit harsh. I agree that it is frustrating to play bombing missions when people are dropping to chase kills dogfighting style. CTC and FFAs are the perfect missions for people who want to yank and bank. The BTB and BTC missions flow a lot better when people keep their ordinance. It is easy to dogfight with a bomb if your opponent also has one. I do not like droppers in bombing missions. It causes me to drop just so I can confront the enemy threat on more equal footing. You cannot win the mission without bombers. If everyone drops for the sake of dogfighting, the mission goes forever and gets boring. I would not say you are playing wrong, but I would probably just quit a game with someone using that tactic and find one more to my liking.

Spectre-Blackstar wrote:

-jman70- wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: I am not sure realism is that important since the game also features 2 carriers in lakes that can be "captured" by landing on them for 90 seconds. Would it really take 10 bombs to sink one? At any rate, the game is set up to provide semi-realistic flight simulator experiences with skill driven missions. Have fun and see you in the skies. As far as cussing goes, my 10 year old plays so please consider that when you throw out an f-bomb in chat.

Yes... About the cussing thing... First off, you all have my apologies... I'm normally a very nice guy, it's just that... Well... My anger problem... I figured out that the best way to avoid "raging" is to act as an escort for my teammates in BTB instead of trying to bomb it myself, missing and losing my self control. I also think it a good idea to stay away from CTC.

Fair enough?

If you're not carrying a bomb in a BtB or BTC missions, then you're not playing right--not a sport.

Best advice is to hone your skills and learn to bomb.
Yes, it gets frustrating. You should see some of the long missions the rest of us have because of it--2+ hours.

Be patient.

10 year old playing, I'm sure you have to click that you are over 13!

Doesn't make any difference between 10 or 13, any age ought to be able to go unto this site without being exposed to the crappy language.

TX LAWMAN is absolutely correct, dropping is legal, and a person has the right to go to another game. I will add one more thing to his excellent post, if I am involved for a long time in a game and having fun with a group of great folks and someone spawns into the game and starts dropping and it changes the entire dynamic of the game then it will upset several folks and your reputation will suffer.

It's even less fun when 50 people are setting the rules of the game.

@ -jman70-
Hello there brother, its me, Robert, the guy you had a little chit-chat with regarding this Dogfight at the Storm Raiders forum. I see that you seem to still have an issue with regards to how the game is played. I can't blame you for it. I started out in this game as a dropper. But since I figured that I might as well be a "well-rounded" pilot so to speak, I decided to practice flying and fighting with a bomb.

And yes, please understand that if they made destroying hangars via strafing possible, it would open up a world of trouble in the form of camping and spawnkilling as mentioned earlier here. Part of combat? Yes. Part of the game? Yes, in a way and in certain circumstances such as clearing the way for nearby incoming friendlies on a bomb run or carrier landing approach. Is it fun to be on the receiving end of a spawnkill-fiesta? Definitely not and all the more not enjoyable when you picture the scenario that you are already getting fired at while you're on the ground and you also realize that not only are you defenseless but your hangars are also getting knocked out along with you in multiple strafing runs... which would make your anger management (as you've pointed out) harder to deal with...

Its not really a rule but more of common courtesy. The ability to destroy hangars via strafing was not included simply as a prevention to an all-out wholesale spawnkilling, IMO. Just my two cents on your issue at hand.

Cheers.

Ok I just put a huge post after Rober33's. It took 45 minutes to make. Where is it?

Robert!!! Good to see you!!!

You said yourself:

"since Dogfight is mostly about team games, you might want to drop your bomb and focus on the dogfight portion of things while your teammates do the mud-moving."

and:

" based what you've told me bwt yourself, you'd fit in more as a fighter escort rather than as a striker."


That's what enabled me to come back and start playing this game again.

OH OK. I think i can solve the mystery of the missing post. Just let me light up my cigar Columbo style (if you don't know Columbo because you are too young, go down to your local blockbuster rent the series on VHS and prepare to be amazed by CRT TV's greatest ever detective).

If you take too long to write a post, often you get a message saying that your post was rejected. happens to me all the time and it really annoys me. I now copy the whole message if its big. then if I see the errors saying it didn't post I try again and paste what i wrote.

To back Hammer's deft detectiveness, I'll quote from another 70's era glowtube show and say, "Correctamundo."

(And while Columbo was great, Banacek was the cool cat!)

Manfred

So how long do I have to post the message?


Advantages of Storm Raiders (SR) & Rise of Glory (ROG)

1. In their BTB missions, you can use bullets. In SR, the targets are spread out more. The players are not respawned right next to the target. There is a time delay on respawning.

2. They have RUDDER CONTROL. A very valuable tool on fighter planes.

3. They're faster paced. The action starts right away.


Advantages of Dogfight (DF):

1. Better chat feature. Better forums.

2. More challenging. DF doesn't have that reticle that appears in front of the enemy planes in SR & ROG that you have to aim at.

Another thing I've noticed is in SR & ROG, cutting the throttle increases your turning speed. That doesn't seem to work in DF.

Feathering down (not cutting) throttle in DF most definitely enables tighter turns. Maybe it takes some more experience to discern the advantage of a smaller radius turn, even if the heading turn rate isn't much different. Keep flying, play subtly with throttle, and you'll see. All the aces do it.
Manfred

BtW, if your device/browser logs you out sometimes while you're cooking up your message and you keep losing long posts ("You are logged out." --Doh!!), just open another browser tab before you hit Submit in the original window, and reload a forum page to make sure you are logged in. Then go to the typed message, and the browser should be freshly reminded that you are logged in.
Manfred

-jman70- wrote: Robert!!! Good to see you!!!

You said yourself:

"since Dogfight is mostly about team games, you might want to drop your bomb and focus on the dogfight portion of things while your teammates do the mud-moving."

and:

" based what you've told me bwt yourself, you'd fit in more as a fighter escort rather than as a striker."


That's what enabled me to come back and start playing this game again.

Yup, I did mention that to you since I've been seeing some people do it. Sure, its a tactic that most people frown upon but as Wig mentioned somewhere, it's one thing to drop and support a mission; it's another thing to just drop and kill (camp/spawnkill) for points.

As for me, I tend to be one of the mudmovers in a BTB or BTC. Its a more relaxed playstyle for me.

See you up in the air brother

Robert33 wrote:
Yup, I did mention that to you since I've been seeing some people do it. Sure, its a tactic that most people frown upon but as Wig mentioned somewhere, it's one thing to drop and support a mission; it's another thing to just drop and kill (camp/spawnkill) for points.

Oh yes! I definitely do it to support the mission!

BTW- another thing I mentioned in the message that disappeared was that Dogfight is more forgiving about slower connections. Very seldom does DF kick you out of the game when you have a slow connection. SR & ROG are notorious for that.

On the opposite end, the connection gets lost in DF when you receive the battery warning message. Not so in SR or ROG.

@Jman70
I'll be honest with you brother, the main reason why I migrated from Storm Raiders to Dogfight is because of lag issues. It frustrates me to no end when I finally get to put a bogey on my sights only to have the rubber bullet effect kick-in.

That and I also get to apply tactics here such as scissors. Back in Storm Raiders, practically everyone is in a Turn and burn fight, it usually (for me) all boiled down as to who has a better connection or a better turnfighting plane.

If a quiet 5-minute flight to target is very frustrating to you brother, then I'm sure you can imagine my frustration with my situation. Storm Raiders is still a good game I reckon but Dogfight suited me better.

Cheers and see you up in the skies buddy

Well, I mean each game has it's ups and downs. I just happen to like SR better. Another thing I stated in the message that got deleted was: yes, I've gotten mad at DF and have said things about it I didn't mean & I apologize.

It's just that in WWI, most stationary targets were destroyed by strafing runs. Bombs were seldom used.

SR & ROG don't respawn your opponents right next to (or on top of) the target. When this happens in DF, it puts the opponents in a better defensive position, thus making it advantagous to get shot down.

Yes, DF is definitly more forgiving as far as connection speeds!