Viper10{WP} wrote:

DireWolf {WP} wrote: Wolf Pack,

Since I've been a member we have always flown with honor and respected all other pilots in games, on the forum and WC. No camping, using glitches of any sort and no foul language.

We always show respect in game. If you don't like a game, it is far better to leave than tarnish the entire reputation of this squad with poor behavior.

I bring this up as this is becoming a common weekend issue and it shouldn't be.

DireWolf

Great point Dire, and I cannot agree strongly enough. There are lots of shenanigans that occur daily, both in the game and world chat, which we have all agreed by virtue of being in this squadron to avoid. Not just avoid, but not participate in, period. Cussing, glitch utilization, poor sportsmanship, lack of respect for other players, are all things we have agreed not to do. If that is behavior which cannot be avoided due to a players personality, volatility, temperament, or level of maturity, then Wolf Pack isn't a squad for them.

Unlike other squads, it is relatively difficult to get into Wolf Pack. We do this for a reason. We really only keep folks who can hold themselves to a higher standard as it were, and conduct themselves in accordance with our code as outlined on the first post of this thread. Each and every one of us represents all of us by their conduct. We all need to keep that in mind as we interact with other players and squads in this game. As a rule we have a zero tolerance for probationary wolves, and a three strike policy for our full fledged wolves. This is Diggers policy, which makes it my policy. I promise you I will fully enforce all Diggers policies regardless of who or how talented. It is irrelevant how much you are liked or whos friend you are, the policy we have applies to every one of us, myself included.

Please note that "cussing" includes any silly acronyms or abbreviations that we all know are cussing or bad language. "FU", "Fuk", "stfu", "bich", etc. all are cussing and thereby not part of our interaction with others. There are no exceptions to this policy.

I hope this message is crystal clear. If anyone has questions feel free to PM me. I don't want anyone to misunderstand my position here.

All hands are encouraged to review our first page, read our code, and leave the squad if you feel you cannot abide by our rules. They aren't for everyone, but they are for Wolf Pack.

Viper10

Viper I will say sometimes I get annoyed when I cant see anyone and say "wtf or wth everyone's invisible" then I wait a couple of seconds to see if I can see them if not I will leave like I'm questioning the game itself. The amount of times I've had FU's thrown at me I just decide to turn round and say ty or lv u 2 Cause after a while those cussing players get fed up with you saying that and leave the games I think that's the more upstanding moral of my style to not get drawn into any cussing with any pilots and then when I fly with top class players and they say ns or gs I say just returning the love to bring humour to the game Oh where's husky when you need that laugh of a big fury behind

Deli, wouldn't it be faster and more efficient to type "?" than "wtf"? Seems like a no brainer to me.

Don't get me wrong, I get annoyed as well. I suspect we all do. That is not an excuse for taking the time and typing out a cuss, an abbreviated cuss, or any combination of the same.

What if I'm just talking about a cigar?

Husky Dog {WP} wrote: What if I'm just talking about a cigar?

You funny man. I kill you last.

I'm confused with who's a probie and who's not I'm seeing names I've never seen before with {WP} after there name and not {WP-p} can a AM from HGA pm me please. As I don't want to embarrass anyone who maybe new to the pack and Viper Maybe we should have a list compiled on the probies so each wolves knows who's a full member and Probie just incase we aren't around when they are accepted into either HGA or HGB so the AM'S from HGA and HGB know of the probies in each Hunting Group. This is Just a suggestion but maybe a List will help Our AMs keep track on Probies I will look to compile a list on KDRs ASAP I'll Produce a Full Pack member KDR page And Probie KDR page Then AMs, Viper, Digger and Flight instructors can see our Probie and Full pack member Status and help any wolf who is struggling.

Hi guys, Had a dogfight game today, cant remember who was in it but my score was 15/0. Nothing special there but i only used one belt of ammo, in fact i still had 108 rds left. I started with 450 so used 342 rounds for the 15 kills. An average of 22.8 rds for each kill. Could be an interesting challange for the pack to see how low you can get that numbert of rounds per kill. I reckon i can get it under 20....
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The complaining and drama on this game is getting old. I see people cursing at people all the time, then turn around and play the victim when the favor is returned. Case in point, I was cursed at, then taunted the other day *for trying to help a person out with their game*! They took my suggestion as a slight and started to lay into me.

After telling them to drop it and after they continued, I and everyone else told them to shut up. That was considered cursing.

The double standards in this game is getting old, and some people need to be treated the way they are treating people. Otherwise the whiner who talk the most will set the level of whats acceptable.

To be clear, lets not have full time police in the Sq unless its extreme behavior. Because otherwise its a form of ganging up on people and a form of bullying. The "pm going your way" and talking about people on sq chat when a member of a different hunting group obviously can't read it is conspiracy and causes distrust.

That climate is why I left in the first place...the constant policing has to stop. Lets worry more about having fun, and worry less about fielding every compliant people have which is only camouflage for hurt feeling because they got their butts kicked.

WEREWULF wrote: The complaining and drama on this game is getting old. I see people cursing at people all the time, then turn around and play the victim when the favor is returned. Case in point, I was cursed at, then taunted the other day *for trying to help a person out with their game*! They took my suggestion as a slight and started to lay into me.

After telling them to drop it and after they continued, I and everyone else told them to shut up. That was considered cursing.

The double standards in this game is getting old, and some people need to be treated the way they are treating people. Otherwise the whiner who talk the most will set the level of whats acceptable.

To be clear, lets not have full time police in the Sq unless its extreme behavior. Because otherwise its a form of ganging up on people and a form of bullying. The "pm going your way" and talking about people on sq chat when a member of a different hunting group obviously can't read it is conspiracy and causes distrust.

That climate is why I left in the first place...the constant policing has to stop. Lets worry more about having fun, and worry less about fielding every compliant people have which is only camouflage for hurt feeling because they got their butts kicked.

Oh, I do agree that drama has gotten old. The weekend complaints of WP players cussing and pretending it never happened is ridiculous drama--screen shots prove otherwise. And it's not the first time.

Wolf Pack has strict rules for a reason. Like Viper said, those rules are not for everyone and they are not going away.

I've never seen anyone in Wolf Pack write this: The double standards in this game is getting old, and some people need to be treated the way they are treating people. Otherwise the whiner who talk the most will set the level of whats acceptable.


What do you mean?

On that note... Was just in another game with an Ala21 named Felix. He hid in the building, east of the bridge with a tank. Impossible to hit. I'll send Priego a pm, but other that congratulating them on their crap win, I said nothing. As far as I'm concerned, this was just like tanking on a carrier.

Be above this kind of behavior. Don't curse or act out. They may win that battle, but if we hold true to what we believe, we can win this war!

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DireWolf {WP} wrote:

WEREWULF wrote: The complaining and drama on this game is getting old. I see people cursing at people all the time, then turn around and play the victim when the favor is returned. Case in point, I was cursed at, then taunted the other day *for trying to help a person out with their game*! They took my suggestion as a slight and started to lay into me.

After telling them to drop it and after they continued, I and everyone else told them to shut up. That was considered cursing.

The double standards in this game is getting old, and some people need to be treated the way they are treating people. Otherwise the whiner who talk the most will set the level of whats acceptable.

To be clear, lets not have full time police in the Sq unless its extreme behavior. Because otherwise its a form of ganging up on people and a form of bullying. The "pm going your way" and talking about people on sq chat when a member of a different hunting group obviously can't read it is conspiracy and causes distrust.

That climate is why I left in the first place...the constant policing has to stop. Lets worry more about having fun, and worry less about fielding every compliant people have which is only camouflage for hurt feeling because they got their butts kicked.

Oh, I do agree that drama has gotten old. The weekend complaints of WP players cussing and pretending it never happened is ridiculous drama--screen shots prove otherwise. And it's not the first time.

Wolf Pack has strict rules for a reason. Like Viper said, those rules are not for everyone and they are not going away.

I've never seen anyone in Wolf Pack write this: The double standards in this game is getting old, and some people need to be treated the way they are treating people. Otherwise the whiner who talk the most will set the level of whats acceptable.


What do you mean?

Dire, I'm not going to repeat myself in a different way.

Being in this squad from it's first week, I've seen a lot of things and everyone here bend the rules when they're mad...NO EXCEPTIONS.

Again, lets chill out with the crisis mode; not act like everything is worth a wave of PMs; not have members just waiting to "correct" someone; and not have Df be a continuation of the drama in their personal lives.

To be honest, DF is my biggest source of drama and negative energy in my life.....the exact opposite of its purpose.

Werewulf,

I don't know what you're talking about. I've been in Wolf Pack for 1.5 years. In that time it's been a solid squad that earned respect and even granted us an alliance with Gunners INC. And I repeat what I said before--the poor behavior of just one is not allowed to tarnish Wolf Pack as a whole.

PM's are sent by Air Marshals to communicate about all things in games--monthly promotions, possible new recruits and yes--going up the chain of command of disciplinary action. This should not be something I need to spell out to someone who flew in WP the first week. Digger's rules are rock solid clear.

Frankly, you could have used PM for all of this to either myself, Viper or both of us.

But here it is.

Just an FYI, Bici Tommaso informed there is a player named BULLETHEAD {WP}. At first I thought it was a Halloween name of one of our WP members, but it appears they are not a member of Wolf Pack.

Anyone know this player or seen in game?

Thanks,

DireWolf

DireWolf {WP} wrote: Just an FYI, Bici Tommaso informed there is a player named BULLETHEAD {WP}. At first I thought it was a Halloween name of one of our WP members, but it appears they are not a member of Wolf Pack.

Anyone know this player or seen in game?

Thanks,

DireWolf

BULLETHEAD was on our roster in HGB but kicked for inactivity

Husky Dog {WP} wrote: On that note... Was just in another game with an Ala21 named Felix. He hid in the building, east of the bridge with a tank. Impossible to hit. I'll send Priego a pm, but other that congratulating them on their crap win, I said nothing. As far as I'm concerned, this was just like tanking on a carrier.

Be above this kind of behavior. Don't curse or act out. They may win that battle, but if we hold true to what we believe, we can win this war!

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I wont normally congratulate a "crap win" as you put it. You are a bigger man than me, Husky.

I think we all find ourselves at one time or another getting upset at folks in this game, or even at the game itself. You guys probably all at one time or another have done what I do, yell cuss words at the screen in the middle of a heated game. LOL Just typing that makes me feel pretty silly but honestly that is how intense and addictive this game can be. What I have noticed, and other players have confirmed this, is the more you get upset, the harder the reds are to hit. The reds are clairvoyant and know when they are inside your head! So everyone needs to chill out and kill some reds already!

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[quote="DireWolf {WP}" post=300296.

Frankly, you could have used PM for all of this to either myself, Viper or both of us.

But here it is.[/quote]

Pot calling the kettle black.


As for digger?? Where is he? Does he play anymore?

WEREWULF wrote:

As for digger?? Where is he? Does he play anymore?

Digger is very busy with 3D life and from what I have seen his activity is about every other weekend. Of course I can always summon him when needed, like beetlejuice!

Digger is busy raising children alone and running at least one company, likely more than one. For the new folks Digger used this game and squad as a diversion while his wife was sick. I am personally honored and humbled to be a part of that. For this reason alone I feel the squad needs to proceed as Digger has wished, which I strive to do. His vision for Wolf Pack was to make it one of the top squadrons in Dogfight. I feel we have done just that.

With a larger group comes different challenges inherent to larger groups, the most prevalent being personality conflict which will inevitably arise. That is basic human nature. The bigger the group, the more conflicts. Ideally we recognize the conflicts and take them in stride, allowing for each others strengths, weaknesses, and quirks as it were. Overall I would say we have been successful. Not without minor issues, but definitely successful given the size of our squad. I can tell you all it has been a balancing act, keeping Digger's vision in focus and dealing with the various conflicts, both internal and external, but we have always managed to do pretty darn good.

I will say that so long as Digger is in charge it is incumbent on each of us to adhere to his plans, ideals, code, etc. out of respect for him, our squad, and one another, as best we can.

From where I sit we are a great group, a great squadron, and I am proud, honored, and at times even humbled to be a part of it.

Its time to get back to basics and have some fun. Prowling, howling, and hunting down reds wherever they are.

Who's with me?

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Viper, we need to define back to basic. To get back to basics, we need to care more about playing the game, and less about dramatizing every complaint we get about our members. (think about the message it sends, plus, if we make a big deal about every little thing some whiner has to say, photos or no photos, then people will take advantage of it and start playing us for fools)

It seems clear to me that too many people care more about what others think about how we run our squad than watching each others backs.

Otherwise, there's no point to being in a squad.

WEREWULF wrote: Viper, we need to define back to basic. To get back to basics, we need to care more about playing the game, and less about dramatizing every complaint we get about our members. (think about the message it sends, plus, if we make a big deal about every little thing some whiner has to say, photos or no photos, then people will take advantage of it and start playing us for fools)

It seems clear to me that too many people care more about what others think about how we run our squad than watching each others backs.

Otherwise, there's no point to being in a squad.

Werewulf, back to basics in my opinion is flying and having fun. If folks are worried about "Whiners" as you put it then don't give folks anything to whine about. Its just that simple.

Personally I haven't dramatized any complaint we have ever received, regardless of the source. The way I have done that was by keeping it out of our squad thread and all in private via pm's. The phrase "praise in public, punish in private" has always applied to this squad.

I have, in the course of doing this whole XO thing, fielded several complaints from various sources, most of which I deemed to be unfounded. Folks are always going to try to use our code to take shots at us. So far we have all managed to watch one anothers backs pretty well. Nobody has tried, so far, to play us as fools and been successful. At least not to my knowledge.

The point of being in a squad in my opinion is to share camaraderie with other pilots. Camaraderie with players you have things in common with and can interact with and play well with. If that is folks that play the game with the same intensity, the same skill level, the same basic ethics, whatever that means to each one of us. These parameters may differ from one player to the next. This squadron, Wolf Pack, was designed to be an elite group of pilots who share a common ethical gameplay based on the guidelines set by the squad founder. If I missed anything in this general definition and reason to be in a squad I am open to everyones differing opinions.

So to answer your question Werewulf, getting back to basics should indeed be defined by getting back to the gameplay and having fun. I am all for keeping our complaints in pm format, thereby eliminating any kind of drama for the whole df world to observe and hopefully eliminating the possibility of anyone playing us for fools.

We have a code for ethical gameplay for all the world to see right on our first page. Just like athletes on the field who are losing, folks are going to look to the referee and cry foul when we are beating them, in order to gain some kind of vindication for their losing. Just like in sports those rules and code for ethical game play should be (In my eyes) interpreted in a "let them play" type stance. I do that, exactly that, when looking at the various complaints as they arise. People get emotional, fingers get pointed, and the game goes on. Visualize a long pass play in football with all the hand fighting and no call by the referee. That is an analogy for how I look at the different complaints. All part of the game.

I will point out that the reason we have been unable to move on already is because our squad Air Marshals, who by virtue of their position have a big say in things, cannot agree on what actions should be acted upon and what those actions should be. Every member of this squad should have a voice, because it is not my squad, Dunc's squad, LiL's squad, or Dire's squad... its OUR squad because we make it what it is. I know some folks are frustrated with my actions, or lack thereof, for not adhering strictly to the code we have all accepted. I am trying as best I can to keep this a fun, interactive squadron of folks with generally the same mindset when it comes to game play and esprit de corps while remaining within the guidelines Digger had set forth when he founded the squad.

So here is what I am asking all of you. Are we too strict, to lenient, or just right when it comes to our ethics and code? Do we brush aside small infractions and keep an eye out for one another as Werewulf suggests? Or do we strictly adhere to our code, thereby creating a stringent environment but very structured and organized? Which one do we feel is best for our squadron's future as we move forward.

I honestly would love to know what we all think.

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Hold on everyone, now we're starting to fight amongst ourselves over scraps like a bunch of dogs (no offense intended Husky) and from where I'm sitting I haven't got a clue as to why? All I know, is that recently I've been seeing things first hand from some players that make the Pack look like a bunch of junk yard dogs and when I've said something to them at that time I get turned on. If you don't like the code as it is written feel free to leave. As for me I think the "praise in public, punish in private" practice is great but that only holds true for some, people tend to wonder what happened when someone receives such private time and without a verifiable witness it flips to ones word against another's concerning the charges. Blah Blah Blah, Yada Yada Yada. I could go on forever but I won't, I've got bigger concerns....

1) I'm sure some of you have seen NLRs thread and have seen the charts that Blue Fighter puts together for monthly targets for their pilots. Well I've begun working with Blue's formulas (I requested and he obliged by sending them) and was wondering if the Pack was interested in doing the same thing. I am willing to give the record keeping a go if you think it might be nice to have something chew on other then each others throats.

2) Since not everyone uses Forum on a regular basis and we all fly at odd hours so getting any sort of msg relayed can take awhile, I thought maybe a master list of wolves email addresses could be compiled giving each wolf the choice on keeping theirs private or allowing it to be given to other Pack members (only those over 18 to be included), that way it would be easy to communicate with everyone not just Forum users. Any thoughts people.

3) Forget about three I've rambled on for too long as it is so just stick with feedback on 1 & 2. This has been a public service announcement.

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Hold on everyone, now we're starting to fight amongst ourselves over scraps like a bunch of dogs (no offense intended Husky) and from where I'm sitting I haven't got a clue as to why? All I know, is that recently I've been seeing things first hand from some players that make the Pack look like a bunch of junk yard dogs and when I've said something to them at that time I get turned on. If you don't like the code as it is written feel free to leave. As for me I think the "praise in public, punish in private" practice is great but that only holds true for some, people tend to wonder what happened when someone receives such private time and without a verifiable witness it flips to ones word against another's concerning the charges. Blah Blah Blah, Yada Yada Yada. I could go on forever but I won't, I've got bigger concerns....

1) I'm sure some of you have seen NLRs thread and have seen the charts that Blue Fighter puts together for monthly targets for their pilots. Well I've begun working with Blue's formulas (I requested and he obliged by sending them) and was wondering if the Pack was interested in doing the same thing. I am willing to give the record keeping a go if you think it might be nice to have something chew on other then each others throats.

2) Since not everyone uses Forum on a regular basis and we all fly at odd hours so getting any sort of msg relayed can take awhile, I thought maybe a master list of wolves email addresses could be compiled giving each wolf the choice on keeping theirs private or allowing it to be given to other Pack members (only those over 18 to be included), that way it would be easy to communicate with everyone not just Forum users. Any thoughts people.

3) Forget about three I've rambled on for too long as it is so just stick with feedback on 1 & 2. This has been a public service announcement.

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I think the email list is a good idea, but not everyone wants their email made public. One solution is to create a g-mail account specifically for this and that would work. Myself, I have no problem providing my email and some of the wolves already have it. Let me know and I will pm it to you as well Larry.

I have never emphasized stats as it were and have always held the opinion that if you are having fun the stats don't matter. However you make a good point about giving everyone something to chew on. So with that in mind I endorse the chart effort. Sounds interesting.

Im counting this post as one vote for follow the rules or leave. Thanks for your input. Everyone else is strangely quiet. Let's see if I can help break the silence....


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I couldn't agree more. It's not about skill. It's about smiling when we see each other in a game and learning about each other.

I am quite new in the squad, but I'll express my opinion.

I see that most people here is focused on have social relations than play the game in a competitive way. Nothing wrong with that. But when we look at the the first page, we see more than 10 rules dictating how we should proceed while in game. Personally, I am here to play. Of course, we make some relationships during the way, but the game that is going on is inside the servers. We pick a plane and go to the battle, killing reds helping blues. That's it. Pure and simple.

As long as you guys did the squadron, you've made an institution that is bigger than the single individuals that made it. What kind of institution do we want here? The way I see it in first page it is a middle term between "open social" and competitive. Is that really possible? Or do we have to pick one of them? It is complicated...

Worst

Both viper and worst have brought up the essence of what type of gaming experience we want. A couple of important things to consider. The way we treat other people is important.... Equally, the way people treat us is important. Maybe its the Boston in me, but for one, I refuse to let anyone walk on the people who we identify with (WP members), I will never ever ever give respect to anyone who doesn't give respect. That's the line I draw in the sand as a man. Squad rules or no squad rules. (and honestly, squad rules written in an anthropomorphic way doesn't override the way I decide to carry myself. It's up to the pack to decide if everyone is ok with that). secondly, people should always get each others back publicly. In my opinion, we could do a better job on the latter part. Imo, lets not forget, people should be assuming the best in their squads mates.

All that said, lets remember it's a game. There's no need for having a stick up our butts. Take issues by a case by case bases. The rules should be there to guide us, not there as an excuse to stick it to someone in the squad whom one might have a grudge against. (and I'm afraid to say, it seems like I've noticed that)

If we spend for time getting after each other than flying, there's something wrong.

As an outsider looking in, and as part of our alliance all I have to say is that when a person joins a squad they are agreeing to the rules of that squad. If you see the rules and think they are too strict or not strict enough, then don't join. If the rules are cramping your style, then leave plain and simple.

Some rules are in place because of Zup's game rules, for instance no cussing. Zup put that because there are players of all ages here, and even if kids swear more than adults, there still is no reason to do it within the game. The same thing goes for sexual talk, and thus why Zup posted a thread about that.

Digger formed the WP with certain rules in place so that people knew the WP members flew, and behaved with integrity, honesty, fairness, and shows good moral character. If that doesn't fit anyone in the WP, then go find a squad that you feel fits your character better. There's no reason to stay in a place you don't agree with, or try and get the squad to change just for you.

Be happy, enjoy the game, and if you can't be happy or enjoy the game because of squad rules, then go squadless or find a squad you feel at home with.

WEREWULF wrote: I will never ever ever give respect to anyone who doesn't give respect. That's the line I draw in the sand as a man.

Were that is exactly like me in real life I barely trust anyone cause of begin backstabbed so many times yeah I've got employees that I consider associates if they have a problem then I will help them as best as I can, be that a simple time off for illness maternity/paternity leave. A little bit of respect costs nothing but if you are abusive rude anything disrespectful you won't have my respect.

Also if your a member of the pack I say follow the rules on the first page stop bickering amongst ourselves and if AMs or Viper aren't online or around if a group captain is on at said time of a problem then send them a pm take their advice on board as a pack member. And every Wolf is entitled to help each other as its our squad but if we use our ranking system to the fullest extent.

Its command decision time.

We all play this game to have fun, that is a given. We join squads for various reasons including a sense of belonging to something larger. Within the squad it is expected we all watch each others backs including sticking up for one another when necessary, guiding one another when needed, and generally looking out for one another. Wolf Pack should be a family, a Den, and a brotherhood of like-minded players.

What then sets Wolf Pack apart from the other squadrons? What makes us "elite"? Wolf Pack stands out as one of the most honorable and fair-minded squadrons in the game. The reason is our Code of ethics which we all agreed to when we joined this squad. Fair play, respect, and all the rest of the "rules" are what separate us from other squadrons. When people in dogfight see "WOLF PACK" coming their way, blue or red, they all know they are facing an fair, honorable, and deadly player.

While Wolf Pack has several rules, Dogfight has but a few. No tank spawnkilling and no cussing. Those two things are mutable or bannable offenses as set forth by the game creator and therefore non-negotiable. By default then if a Wolf Pack player violates the rules of Dogfight they also violate the rules of Wolf Pack. There is no reasonable justification for either act from a player who approaches this game with honor, fair play, and respect for others.

In the absence of Digger, I am the Alpha and will, from this moment on, lead the way Viper10 would lead. Up to this point I have been second-guessing my decisions, trying to figure out how Digger would handle things. That ends now.

Viper10 is running this show. Read the rules. Study the first page. I invite all hands to leave if they cannot or will not abide by the rules as stated to the best of their ability. I will respect your decision if you go. If you stay then you agree and lets all move forward from here.

Look out for one another. Don't break the rules on purpose. Have fun.

Its command decision time.

We all play this game to have fun, that is a given. We join squads for various reasons including a sense of belonging to something larger. Within the squad it is expected we all watch each others backs including sticking up for one another when necessary, guiding one another when needed, and generally looking out for one another. Wolf Pack should be a family, a Den, and a brotherhood of like-minded players.

What then sets Wolf Pack apart from the other squadrons? What makes us "elite"? Wolf Pack stands out as one of the most honorable and fair-minded squadrons in the game. The reason is our Code of ethics which we all agreed to when we joined this squad. Fair play, respect, and all the rest of the "rules" are what separate us from other squadrons. When people in dogfight see "WOLF PACK" coming their way, blue or red, they all know they are facing an fair, honorable, and deadly player.

While Wolf Pack has several rules, Dogfight has but a few. No tank spawnkilling and no cussing. Those two things are mutable or bannable offenses as set forth by the game creator and therefore non-negotiable. By default then if a Wolf Pack player violates the rules of Dogfight they also violate the rules of Wolf Pack. There is no reasonable justification for either act from a player who approaches this game with honor, fair play, and respect for others.

In the absence of Digger, I am the Alpha and will, from this moment on, lead the way Viper10 would lead. Up to this point I have been second-guessing my decisions, trying to figure out how Digger would handle things. That ends now.

Viper10 is now running this show. Read the rules. Study the first page. I invite all hands to leave if they cannot or will not abide by the rules as stated to the best of their ability. I will respect your decision if you go. If you stay then you agree and lets all move forward from here.

Look out for one another, we are all the family we have here. Don't break the rules on purpose. Have fun.

Any questions?

Viper10

Thank you Sir Viper10.
Well spoken.
I agree 100%.
I can't think of anything to say or add to that.


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Viper truly spoken and agree 100% brother I'm doing the Rent A Wolf with Gunners Inc wing 3 but any AMs doing this I'm sure will be keeping Eyes on wolves behaviour in games I might not be a AM of the squad but as A squad Captain I am always keeping eyes on peoples behaviour and attitude in games on forum. I will always Howl to wolves even tho for a week I'm flying under Gunners Inc squad name and would recommend any wolves interested to get to know our allies take this opportunity up Awwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhllllllllllllll Wolf and Gunners Strong