[*M]yNuts wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: Sub par game play is not bringing the A game for bitching, Pete. That is Busch League drama on thus thread!!!

LAWMAN....I am not bitching..maybe venting...but think of the little guys that can barely afford this game, and are way less fortunate then we are..I don't mind paying for lagg..I can afford it..but what about others...who bust thier butts trying to pay for this game..and all they get is lagg...if you are a REAL LAWMAN..YOU SHOULD PROTECT AND SERVE..AND STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT...GRANITE..ITS ONLY A GAME...BUT THE PRINCIPAL REMAINS THE SAME.....YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE WHO ARE HONEST AND PUT IN A HARD DAYS WORK JUST TO PLAY THIS GAME...WHATS RIGHT IS RIGHT....OR DID I FORGET THE FACT THAT YOUR SHIT DOESNT STINK...BY THE WAY..IT DOES !!!! YOU PUT YOUR PANTS ON JUST LIKE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE..ONE LEG AT A TIME..JUST INCASE YOU FORGOT....!

I can speak for law man, but my shit smells great… And I don't put my pants on one leg at a time I jump into on both legs at oncesimultaneously into my boots and socks as well.... YAY ME!!!!!

As far as the price of the subscription it's two dollars a monththat seven cents a day, I don't think anybody can complain about how hard they have to work for seven cents a day…

GHOSTRIDER1 wrote:

[*M]yNuts wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: Sub par game play is not bringing the A game for bitching, Pete. That is Busch League drama on thus thread!!!

LAWMAN....I am not bitching..maybe venting...but think of the little guys that can barely afford this game, and are way less fortunate then we are..I don't mind paying for lagg..I can afford it..but what about others...who bust thier butts trying to pay for this game..and all they get is lagg...if you are a REAL LAWMAN..YOU SHOULD PROTECT AND SERVE..AND STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT...GRANITE..ITS ONLY A GAME...BUT THE PRINCIPAL REMAINS THE SAME.....YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE WHO ARE HONEST AND PUT IN A HARD DAYS WORK JUST TO PLAY THIS GAME...WHATS RIGHT IS RIGHT....OR DID I FORGET THE FACT THAT YOUR SHIT DOESNT STINK...BY THE WAY..IT DOES !!!! YOU PUT YOUR PANTS ON JUST LIKE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE..ONE LEG AT A TIME..JUST INCASE YOU FORGOT....!

I can speak for law man, but my shit smells great… And I don't put my pants on one leg at a time I jump into on both legs at oncesimultaneously into my boots and socks as well.... YAY ME!!!!!

As far as the price of the subscription it's two dollars a monththat seven cents a day, I don't think anybody can complain about how hard they have to work for seven cents a day…

Glad your shit smells good rider!! Apparently you need to get in touch with reality!!! LOL....THANKS BUDDY...GOT A GOOD LAUGH OUT OF YOUR COMMENT..I NEEDED THAT..GAME HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR ME..WORST I HAVE SEEN YET...

[*M]yNuts wrote:

GHOSTRIDER1 wrote:

[*M]yNuts wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: Sub par game play is not bringing the A game for bitching, Pete. That is Busch League drama on thus thread!!!

LAWMAN....I am not bitching..maybe venting...but think of the little guys that can barely afford this game, and are way less fortunate then we are..I don't mind paying for lagg..I can afford it..but what about others...who bust thier butts trying to pay for this game..and all they get is lagg...if you are a REAL LAWMAN..YOU SHOULD PROTECT AND SERVE..AND STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT...GRANITE..ITS ONLY A GAME...BUT THE PRINCIPAL REMAINS THE SAME.....YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE WHO ARE HONEST AND PUT IN A HARD DAYS WORK JUST TO PLAY THIS GAME...WHATS RIGHT IS RIGHT....OR DID I FORGET THE FACT THAT YOUR SHIT DOESNT STINK...BY THE WAY..IT DOES !!!! YOU PUT YOUR PANTS ON JUST LIKE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE..ONE LEG AT A TIME..JUST INCASE YOU FORGOT....!

I can speak for law man, but my shit smells great… And I don't put my pants on one leg at a time I jump into on both legs at oncesimultaneously into my boots and socks as well.... YAY ME!!!!!

As far as the price of the subscription it's two dollars a monththat seven cents a day, I don't think anybody can complain about how hard they have to work for seven cents a day…

Glad your shit smells good rider!! Apparently you need to get in touch with reality!!! LOL....THANKS BUDDY...GOT A GOOD LAUGH OUT OF YOUR COMMENT..I NEEDED THAT..GAME HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR ME..WORST I HAVE SEEN YET...

That's okayit's been pretty damn bad at times for me too, you use iOS don't you? I have an iPhone 4 and other than needing a firmware update for my router the games been better for me then it's been a long time

Sorry to 'but' in, BUT I fly an Apple......and haven't seen much lag since the last upgrade.........or have I got used to it so much that I don't see it anymore?

Zup has a topic out there to name all thing that are lagging in the game.

(Come to think of it, there are times when it seems like I fire rubber bullets.....sure hits and nothing happens......but maybe I have to high an opinion of my own skills.)

You're not butting in Rudolph, this is the mom thread, and your mom!

I know,....BUT I'm always the guy with a 'but' in his comment..........

Pete

I am a LAWMAN. You want proof talk to weatherman. His mom was one of our dispatchers. I'll admit I poked the bear by taking a swipe at your comment and the recent ridiculousness of our thread. In my opinion, the right thing in this game is to pay Zup his $2.15 a month. Screw the freeloaders. This is a game, so lighten up, Francis. Ain't no life and death here. You want to rattle and rail against our developer, go ahead. He's in Spain. You might ask Wig how that worked for him. Sorry you are not having any fun. For me, the game is working great You just need more Kool Aid. We'll give you some cake to go with it!





[quoted="[*M]yNuts" post=251117]

TXLAWMAN wrote: Sub par game play is not bringing the A game for bitching, Pete. That is Busch League drama on thus thread!!!

LAWMAN....I am not bitching..maybe venting...but think of the little guys that can barely afford this game, and are way less fortunate then we are..I don't mind paying for lagg..I can afford it..but what about others...who bust thier butts trying to pay for this game..and all they get is lagg...if you are a REAL LAWMAN..YOU SHOULD PROTECT AND SERVE..AND STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT...GRANITE..ITS ONLY A GAME...BUT THE PRINCIPAL REMAINS THE SAME.....YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE WHO ARE HONEST AND PUT IN A HARD DAYS WORK JUST TO PLAY THIS GAME...WHATS RIGHT IS RIGHT....OR DID I FORGET THE FACT THAT YOUR SHIT DOESNT STINK...BY THE WAY..IT DOES !!!! YOU PUT YOUR PANTS ON JUST LIKE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE..ONE LEG AT A TIME..JUST INCASE YOU FORGOT....![/quote]

Ty Ghostrider for.stopping by and problem will be fixed sorry if that ruined your game brother ghost!!!

TXLAWMAN wrote: Pete

I am a LAWMAN. You want proof talk to weatherman. His mom was one of our dispatchers. I'll admit I poked the bear by taking a swipe at your comment and the recent ridiculousness of our thread. In my opinion, the right thing in this game is to pay Zup his $2.15 a month. Screw the freeloaders. This is a game, so lighten up, Francis. Ain't no life and death here. You want to rattle and rail against our developer, go ahead. He's in Spain. You might ask Wig how that worked for him. Sorry you are not having any fun. For me, the game is working great You just need more Kool Aid. We'll give you some cake to go with it!





[quoted="[*M]yNuts" post=251117]

TXLAWMAN wrote: Sub par game play is not bringing the A game for bitching, Pete. That is Busch League drama on thus thread!!!

LAWMAN....I am not bitching..maybe venting...but think of the little guys that can barely afford this game, and are way less fortunate then we are..I don't mind paying for lagg..I can afford it..but what about others...who bust thier butts trying to pay for this game..and all they get is lagg...if you are a REAL LAWMAN..YOU SHOULD PROTECT AND SERVE..AND STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT...GRANITE..ITS ONLY A GAME...BUT THE PRINCIPAL REMAINS THE SAME.....YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE WHO ARE HONEST AND PUT IN A HARD DAYS WORK JUST TO PLAY THIS GAME...WHATS RIGHT IS RIGHT....OR DID I FORGET THE FACT THAT YOUR SHIT DOESNT STINK...BY THE WAY..IT DOES !!!! YOU PUT YOUR PANTS ON JUST LIKE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE..ONE LEG AT A TIME..JUST INCASE YOU FORGOT....!

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I believe you sir!! Small world isn't it...ya know TX..JUST A LITTLE A AGGRAVATED AT THIS GAME..CANT PLAY....I COOLED OFF A BIT..LOL..NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT...WAS IT WORTH ALL THIS "TOILET TIME"...MY DAMN FEET FELL ASLEEP WHILE I WAS ON THE HOPPER SO LONG.......LMAO!! And yes I remember wiggy!!! And I know ZUP is in Spain..where the rain falls mainly on the plain...your absolutely correct...just frustrating most of the time lately...sorry if I was a little harsh...no ill intent ment TX!! By the way..I am out of KOOLAID...any extra??

Pete!!

All is forgiven brother. I don't vent much about game play because it is still operator error. In other words, I have not attained the skill level where the defects of the game are in anyway limiting me! I don't have any kool aid. You misfits got that locked down, but I got cake!!

Remember, when your legs go numb on the can, there is never any justifiable reason to ask for help. If you got to keep your pride and die on the shitter like Elvis, it us better than asking for help!

[*M]yNuts wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: Pete

I am a LAWMAN. You want proof talk to weatherman. His mom was one of our dispatchers. I'll admit I poked the bear by taking a swipe at your comment and the recent ridiculousness of our thread. In my opinion, the right thing in this game is to pay Zup his $2.15 a month. Screw the freeloaders. This is a game, so lighten up, Francis. Ain't no life and death here. You want to rattle and rail against our developer, go ahead. He's in Spain. You might ask Wig how that worked for him. Sorry you are not having any fun. For me, the game is working great You just need more Kool Aid. We'll give you some cake to go with it!





[quoted="[*M]yNuts" post=251117]

TXLAWMAN wrote: Sub par game play is not bringing the A game for bitching, Pete. That is Busch League drama on thus thread!!!

LAWMAN....I am not bitching..maybe venting...but think of the little guys that can barely afford this game, and are way less fortunate then we are..I don't mind paying for lagg..I can afford it..but what about others...who bust thier butts trying to pay for this game..and all they get is lagg...if you are a REAL LAWMAN..YOU SHOULD PROTECT AND SERVE..AND STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT...GRANITE..ITS ONLY A GAME...BUT THE PRINCIPAL REMAINS THE SAME.....YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE WHO ARE HONEST AND PUT IN A HARD DAYS WORK JUST TO PLAY THIS GAME...WHATS RIGHT IS RIGHT....OR DID I FORGET THE FACT THAT YOUR SHIT DOESNT STINK...BY THE WAY..IT DOES !!!! YOU PUT YOUR PANTS ON JUST LIKE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE..ONE LEG AT A TIME..JUST INCASE YOU FORGOT....!

I believe you sir!! Small world isn't it...ya know TX..JUST A LITTLE A AGGRAVATED AT THIS GAME..CANT PLAY....I COOLED OFF A BIT..LOL..NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT...WAS IT WORTH ALL THIS "TOILET TIME"...MY DAMN FEET FELL ASLEEP WHILE I WAS ON THE HOPPER SO LONG.......LMAO!! And yes I remember wiggy!!! And I know ZUP is in Spain..where the rain falls mainly on the plain...your absolutely correct...just frustrating most of the time lately...sorry if I was a little harsh...no ill intent ment TX!! By the way..I am out of KOOLAID...any extra??

Pete!![/quote]

Whats up M.O.M's! Only have had time for a few games but the update seems ok for the most part. Did have a couple of connection lost issues but I've tried to replicate it so I could report it and haven't been able to get it to happen so I'm guessing it's a random thing. Night flying is prety cool and kasey is definitely right about using altitude at night to spot the enemy easier. Anyone else have any issues with planes not going down after hitting them...a lot. I must have put 50 rounds into this guy and he just kept going. Then disappeared and the kill registered several seconds later. If this is just lag holy smokes is it bad. Gonna try and get in a couple of games right now before doing some dishes and starting some cooking. Just noticed that I'm down to 199 in the ranks. Don't want to breach that 200 mark so I better get to killin! See ya out there (I hope!)

Yup, I do......but (here's the 'but'by the way) I've posted the thing on Zup's 'what else?'topic.

If you do it too, we'd sound like we know what we are talking about.

TXLAWMAN wrote: All is forgiven brother. I don't vent much about game play because it is still operator error. In other words, I have not attained the skill level where the defects of the game are in anyway limiting me! I don't have any kool aid. You misfits got that locked down, but I got cake!!

Remember, when your legs go numb on the can, there is never any justifiable reason to ask for help. If you got to keep your pride and die on the shitter like Elvis, it us better than asking for help!

[*M]yNuts wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: Pete

I am a LAWMAN. You want proof talk to weatherman. His mom was one of our dispatchers. I'll admit I poked the bear by taking a swipe at your comment and the recent ridiculousness of our thread. In my opinion, the right thing in this game is to pay Zup his $2.15 a month. Screw the freeloaders. This is a game, so lighten up, Francis. Ain't no life and death here. You want to rattle and rail against our developer, go ahead. He's in Spain. You might ask Wig how that worked for him. Sorry you are not having any fun. For me, the game is working great You just need more Kool Aid. We'll give you some cake to go with it!





[quoted="[*M]yNuts" post=251117]

TXLAWMAN wrote: Sub par game play is not bringing the A game for bitching, Pete. That is Busch League drama on thus thread!!!

LAWMAN....I am not bitching..maybe venting...but think of the little guys that can barely afford this game, and are way less fortunate then we are..I don't mind paying for lagg..I can afford it..but what about others...who bust thier butts trying to pay for this game..and all they get is lagg...if you are a REAL LAWMAN..YOU SHOULD PROTECT AND SERVE..AND STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT...GRANITE..ITS ONLY A GAME...BUT THE PRINCIPAL REMAINS THE SAME.....YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE WHO ARE HONEST AND PUT IN A HARD DAYS WORK JUST TO PLAY THIS GAME...WHATS RIGHT IS RIGHT....OR DID I FORGET THE FACT THAT YOUR SHIT DOESNT STINK...BY THE WAY..IT DOES !!!! YOU PUT YOUR PANTS ON JUST LIKE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE..ONE LEG AT A TIME..JUST INCASE YOU FORGOT....!

I believe you sir!! Small world isn't it...ya know TX..JUST A LITTLE A AGGRAVATED AT THIS GAME..CANT PLAY....I COOLED OFF A BIT..LOL..NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT...WAS IT WORTH ALL THIS "TOILET TIME"...MY DAMN FEET FELL ASLEEP WHILE I WAS ON THE HOPPER SO LONG.......LMAO!! And yes I remember wiggy!!! And I know ZUP is in Spain..where the rain falls mainly on the plain...your absolutely correct...just frustrating most of the time lately...sorry if I was a little harsh...no ill intent ment TX!! By the way..I am out of KOOLAID...any extra??

Pete!!

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WE HAVE KOOLAID IN THE KITCHEN!!!!all I can ever find in the momrodome is Geritol, Metamucil, ensure, Prune juice, and skim milk… Who the hell is hiding the Kool-Aid?

Also guys… Ummmmm....Point of order, as mom's official baker and Chefall I can say is we do not SHARE cake...we only share pie! And moms do not eat pie, we only eat cake, unless it's Boston cream pie, which IS cake....again I must reiterate we do not share cake! We share pie! We do not have any pie! We do not supply pie to the dogfight world! We do not share cake! I'm not trying to feed the entire neighborhood! Unless it's pie there is no pie!

Who said I couldn't have my cake and pie too?

CRAZYWOLF wrote: Who said I couldn't have my cake and pie too?

I am sorry crazy Wolf, but, THERE IS ABSOULUTLY POSITIVLY NO PIE IN MOM!!!!!!!! There is only cake, however, in an effort to quell this little rebellion I have come up with a solution you can have pi in the form of cake




Ps.... If I were to bake a pie into a cake, plum, and pecan would positively be the wrong choices

GHOSTRIDER1 wrote:
I am sorry crazy Wolf, but, THERE IS ABSOULUTLY POSITIVLY NO PIE IN MOM!!!!!!!! There is only cake, however, in an effort to quell this little rebellion I have come up with a solution you can have pi in the form of cake




Ps.... If I were to bake a pie into a cake, plum, and pecan would positively be the wrong choices

I understand where you coming from Brad but there is a reason to put plum ,apple, and pecan together . I'll try to explain, you see some of us old farts need prune juice but not everyone like it. As we all know prune juice is made out of plums so if you disguise it inside a cake with Apple and pecan than these old codgers will eat half the cake before they realize what they have eaten. Thus making their go a little bit easier.

CRAZYWOLF wrote:

GHOSTRIDER1 wrote:
I am sorry crazy Wolf, but, THERE IS ABSOULUTLY POSITIVLY NO PIE IN MOM!!!!!!!! There is only cake, however, in an effort to quell this little rebellion I have come up with a solution you can have pi in the form of cake




Ps.... If I were to bake a pie into a cake, plum, and pecan would positively be the wrong choices

I understand where you coming from Brad but there is a reason to put plum ,apple, and pecan together . I'll try to explain, you see some of us old farts need prune juice but not everyone like it. As we all know prune juice is made out of plums so if you disguise it inside a cake with Apple and pecan than these old codgers will eat half the cake before they realize what they have eaten. Thus making their go a little bit easier.

I must maintain my original position crazy wolf, fruit does not belong inside cake, fruit and cake is not cake, it is a fig Newton,. So therefore a pecan pie, a plum pie, and an apple pie stuffed inside of a cake, and frosted is simply just a big disgusting fig newtons… You'll just have to take some fiber, drink prune juice, and stay stocked up on enemas! Because there are no fig newtons In mom there is only cake!!!!!!!

What ? No fruit cake in MOM . I beg to different but look around and you see a lot of fruit cakes in MOM.......

GHOSTRIDER1 wrote: You're not butting in Rudolph, this is the mom thread, and your mom!

Yah and legend has it, that you are the one that guides, the fattest MOM of all, on them foggy nights!!!

(So really with out you, MOM would have no Christmas.......)

TXLAWMAN wrote: All is forgiven brother. I don't vent much about game play because it is still operator error. In other words, I have not attained the skill level where the defects of the game are in anyway limiting me! I don't have any kool aid. You misfits got that locked down, but I got cake!!

Remember, when your legs go numb on the can, there is never any justifiable reason to ask for help. If you got to keep your pride and die on the shitter like Elvis, it us better than asking for help!

[*M]yNuts wrote:

TXLAWMAN wrote: Pete

I am a LAWMAN. You want proof talk to weatherman. His mom was one of our dispatchers. I'll admit I poked the bear by taking a swipe at your comment and the recent ridiculousness of our thread. In my opinion, the right thing in this game is to pay Zup his $2.15 a month. Screw the freeloaders. This is a game, so lighten up, Francis. Ain't no life and death here. You want to rattle and rail against our developer, go ahead. He's in Spain. You might ask Wig how that worked for him. Sorry you are not having any fun. For me, the game is working great You just need more Kool Aid. We'll give you some cake to go with it!





[quoted="[*M]yNuts" post=251117]

TXLAWMAN wrote: Sub par game play is not bringing the A game for bitching, Pete. That is Busch League drama on thus thread!!!

LAWMAN....I am not bitching..maybe venting...but think of the little guys that can barely afford this game, and are way less fortunate then we are..I don't mind paying for lagg..I can afford it..but what about others...who bust thier butts trying to pay for this game..and all they get is lagg...if you are a REAL LAWMAN..YOU SHOULD PROTECT AND SERVE..AND STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT...GRANITE..ITS ONLY A GAME...BUT THE PRINCIPAL REMAINS THE SAME.....YOU SHOULD FIGHT FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE WHO ARE HONEST AND PUT IN A HARD DAYS WORK JUST TO PLAY THIS GAME...WHATS RIGHT IS RIGHT....OR DID I FORGET THE FACT THAT YOUR SHIT DOESNT STINK...BY THE WAY..IT DOES !!!! YOU PUT YOUR PANTS ON JUST LIKE ME AND EVERYONE ELSE..ONE LEG AT A TIME..JUST INCASE YOU FORGOT....!

I believe you sir!! Small world isn't it...ya know TX..JUST A LITTLE A AGGRAVATED AT THIS GAME..CANT PLAY....I COOLED OFF A BIT..LOL..NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT...WAS IT WORTH ALL THIS "TOILET TIME"...MY DAMN FEET FELL ASLEEP WHILE I WAS ON THE HOPPER SO LONG.......LMAO!! And yes I remember wiggy!!! And I know ZUP is in Spain..where the rain falls mainly on the plain...your absolutely correct...just frustrating most of the time lately...sorry if I was a little harsh...no ill intent ment TX!! By the way..I am out of KOOLAID...any extra??

Pete!!

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Wait just a second!!!!

So are you saying that. MyNuts and Elvis are one and the same? Man I bet "The Inquirer" will be breaking down the doors at any time, trying to get and interview!!!!!


(I better hurry up and get a clean shave)

CRAZYWOLF wrote:

GHOSTRIDER1 wrote:
I am sorry crazy Wolf, but, THERE IS ABSOULUTLY POSITIVLY NO PIE IN MOM!!!!!!!! There is only cake, however, in an effort to quell this little rebellion I have come up with a solution you can have pi in the form of cake




Ps.... If I were to bake a pie into a cake, plum, and pecan would positively be the wrong choices

I understand where you coming from Brad but there is a reason to put plum ,apple, and pecan together . I'll try to explain, you see some of us old farts need prune juice but not everyone like it. As we all know prune juice is made out of plums so if you disguise it inside a cake with Apple and pecan than these old codgers will eat half the cake before they realize what they have eaten. Thus making their go a little bit easier.

Yah they won't notice until that explosive "Tail End" kicks in for the finish.

(Some might call it After Burners)

CRAZYWOLF wrote: What ? No fruit cake in MOM . I beg to different but look around and you see a lot of fruit cakes in MOM.......

"OVER HERE PICK ME PICK ME!!!!!"

My way of fighting the winter blues.....

Building construction foam surfboards. The one I did a few years ago turned out pretty good. Unfortunately my inability to just let things be. I have tweaked and tweaked to point of it needing to find its way to the wall of "Crazy Crap Brian Builds"!

YEMX wrote: My way of fighting the winter blues.....

Building construction foam surfboards. The one I did a few years ago turned out pretty good. Unfortunately my inability to just let things be. I have tweaked and tweaked to point of it needing to find its way to the wall of "Crazy Crap

I'm the same way Brian, once something gets close I just can't leave it alone until I F it up

CRAZYWOLF wrote: What ? No fruit cake in MOM . I beg to different but look around and you see a lot of fruit cakes in MOM.......

Fruitcake we might have to consider him as an exception, even though it tastes like dirt, it contains copious amounts of alcoholand that his mom too

Superhero MOM's, They're the best.....

Nice to see ya in game big D. Liked the cut of that new # you were sporting...just enough left to the imagination.....now if I could only get rid of these nightmares...

Sorry guys, been out of sorts the last few days, but opened up dogfight today to find Delphi + waiting on me accepting him back into MOM, welcome back Delphi!

Pineapple upside down cake, can we get a definitive definition of this rather delectably tastey morsel of cake? Pie?

Muck was out of sorts because he got laid ALL WEEKEND! At least that's what he bragged...