Badluck13 or something like that. Lets I just spawned ok. I am wather shots or bombs are dropped on me. And I am completely sure it in enigma

Boss, we do enforce the rules. We just need to know who's breaking them.

Kazee, Slender, next time you see him, order him to stop. If we keep getting reports, he's out.

Similar situation with Gyshan. I think he should just be kicked out. There's reports of him teamkilling, as well as his rampant language. What are the other co-admin's thoughts?

Im not a co. admin., but we should have some rules to "when" and "when not" to spawnkill....so that anyone can understand, with no confusion....

Sounds good, Calvin.

No I want no rules on this particular topic, there are to many opinions on what might be intrepid as spawning. If one does exist well it should only be enforced if one or more enigma member witness such an act. I don't encourage spawning, but as Kazee pointed out, just to many example. Let me add one that recently occurred : carrier game, flew to the enemy carrier fired on plane taking off, dropped bomb on the carrier sticking the same plane, I swung around to support a team member, he dropped onto the carrier again taking out two enemies along with his drop. Message came up, I'm reporting your spawning. It was our first run?
What are your thoughts?

CalvinIsAwesome wrote: I've just gotten a report that Badluck13 is spawnkilling. Investigate, inform, and report back. If he doesn't change, he'll have to be removed from our roster. Same goes for anyone caught spawnkilling. Tell them not to, if they refuse, bury the motha.

Hey calvin Please be sure it's spawnkilling....I have been accused of it lately in game....I only do it if I can on a bomb run....so I can get in.....Just don't want to see anyone falsely accused.

Just noticed Dxp's post... like I said just don't want to see anyone falsely accused...

Luna6 wrote:

CalvinIsAwesome wrote:

I sunk your battleship.


Sorry for the crappy Photoshop, Pixlr's poor substitute, and I'm not that good to begin with. Just imagine the NLR's logo on the boat, and the whole thing painted blue. Or do it for me. Either way.

This is an NLR carrier, for reference:

Nice job, Cal!

(I didn't make this, by the way, so don't go giving me credit!)

Re: carrier upgrade... If you would kindly consider a German or American half track platform with dual 50 cals, and a 75mm armour piercing rotating Gun.... Or a Humvee with the same config, need more hills, and valleys and rock outcrops, some bogs and dense forest(s) or two.

I hate the session expiration thing....

Don't worry, Dent, we won't punish anyone without certainty. If we weren't being careful, they'd both be out by now.

I agree, DXP, clearer guidelines would be helpful.

First, we shouldn't force anyone to spawnkill under any circumstances. Our rules should outline what you CAN do, not force someone's hand.

Second, we need a definition for spawnkilliing. My definition is shooting someone who doesn't have the ability to evade your bullets, or return fire. These are people who just spawned, and they don't have full maneuverability yet, or people who haven't even gotten into the air. An acceptable kill, to me, is when you're running a bomb down the middle of the runway, and someone gets into the air. They can immediately shoot at you, because they don't need to turn. They can be shot. However, if you run one down the back of the runway, you should wait for the enemy to be up long enough to drop their bomb. Same applies when you spawn behind someone in an FFA. What's your definition?

Third, what can you do to cover your own run? I say that one or two killings are acceptable, provided that you intend to bomb. Seem fair?

Fourth, what can you do to cover a teammate? I've never been in favor of aiding teammates much, because it negates skill gain. They would gain more skill from shooting a useful opponent than you would by spawnkilling, therefore, it shouldn't be done. What do you think?

Fifth, what can you do to someone ruining a game? I don't think that a rule can be made here, there's too many situations. I just let the punishment fit the crime. Any idea how to make a rule here?

In regard to spawn killing rules, I agree with dxp. If clear rules that everyone could agree on could be made it would have been done a long time ago. I am not going to sit down and write "an every possible scenario" manual to define spawn killing from not spawn killing. No one would read it and no one would care.

Dxp, I have done the exact same thing you described in your scenario and will do it again. I would have a problem if you said " and then I circled the carrier 50 times shooting planes before they could take off." You are allowed to keep planes pinned down for a bombing run, especially if they don't have to move much to shoot at you once they've taken off. I like to try and get a kill when I bomb carriers too, nothing wrong with that.

Calvin I think your rules make sense. Maybe a little strict on not helping teammates. I think this is where most of our squad plays. If we get multiple reports that one person isnt playing this way we'll ask them to change or leave. I think the one thing we can definitely all agree on is let the aspirants get off the ground and maybe even fly around a little bit. They probably can't hit you anyway and Z has specifically asked us to do this in the past because people play the game 1 time, get the snot blown out of them, and then go give the game a 1 star review.

Yeah, I take a pretty conservative stance on helping teammates. I still think that there shouldn't be more than 2-3 spawnkills.

I'd never thought about that... I'll be nicer to Aspirants.

Very good,
Its with certainty that we all have examples and or views whether we can agree or disagree. Overtime I've read of spawning. Whether for points or support this topic and or ideas will remain open, thus doing so may just grow deep in the skin off all. I guess until we define the definition [Spawn killing] let us remember when barrelling down - remember--- how would you feel on the other end

Okay, Badluck's talked to me, he says he's been waiting for people to take off, then shooting. When you report someone, give more details.

Engine is warming up cal, u awake?!!

Awake, yes, about to go to sleep, also yes. Maybe tomorrow night....

I'll look forward to your flames.

l dont see eye to eye with your stance on the team mate thing. The guys and girls who are at these higher levels already have pretty darn good skills. In dog fight rounds, i dont shoot at Enigmas. But other then that, your views on Spawnkillers is spot on. The jerks in tanks pi** me off. Its even lamer when higher ranking players do it. In my 10 months of playing i have never seen an Enigma do that in a tank. I dogfight rounds if i see a tank i announce that there is a tank at such n such base so everyone knows to blast that player [E]PANZER

CalvinIsAwesome wrote: Okay, Badluck's talked to me, he says he's been waiting for people to take off, then shooting. When you report someone, give more details.

you said if the person taking off is unable to shoot or avoid or shoot back it is spawn killing
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo he has been

Hey fellow (e)'s! I've enjoyed flying with yall. Had some good games. Had my butt kicked a few good times along the way:) just want to call out spawnkillin by a fellow (e). I got spawnkilled 2times in a row by (e)dpx-29 in a dogfight game. He didn't know I was an (e) also because I can't figure out how to get the (e) on my name. Anyway grey ghost with the 111th even told (e)dpx-29 to stop spawnkillin. Dpx denied it. Anywho-I brought dpx down a few times after that. Dpx- I got your number! I hate spawnkillin. It looks bad when a 111th has to call down an (e) for spawnkillin. Isn't it against our code?
Thanks for letting me vent. I am just a little ticked.
Aceshigh4911

I like that panzer! Your spot on!

To be clear, I was not even off the deck, not airborne, not even throttled up.

I can appreciate your views on this matter and will respect that you have my number.

I took off from the northern base, as I came closer I began spit firing a group. Taking out two and clipping grey ghost, because of the angle and position you got it twice. I never circled the carrier but past it, you was burning on the deck getting carried away about me spawning. Again my approach was from the N-base and never circle the carrier. I don't think you have any idea what spawning is, I guess if someone gets you twice your quick on the draw to identify them as spawners. As I said, I never circled the carrier, and maneuvered into Grew Ghost, after avoiding him I continued on to the south base, by my surprise there you were circling the rear of the runway. Well what could have you been doing there. Young man, don't be so quick to past judgement, and never tell or post anything about you've got my number, and one more thing, I've been playing with and against you for the last four days. I know your in the squad, wear the banner please, if you can't figure it out-ask we'll be glad to assist.

I think I do understand that spawnkilling must include being shot down before being airborne. That is what I experienced twice in a row. If that is not spawnkilling then please explain my miscalculation.
You say it was crossfire, so be it. Ill take your word for it. I couldn't see you or where you were. All I knew was I was being spawnkilled on the carrier. For the record, it was grey ghost from the 111th that spoke first and told you to stop. It was only when you denied it that I spoke up too. I am sure you can understand my ire, 111th grey ghost did.
You say it was crossfire then ok. I apologize, that's the end of it as far as I'm concerned. I apologize for misinterpreting what happened.
My personal rule is I don't fire on (e)'s unprovoked and that extends to you too still. That's just my rule because I am biased towards my comrades.
As far as my (e) banner I've posted many times about it and I am stuck at the point that it keeps telling me my username or password is incorrect. I've tried over and over. If you would like to see what you can do to help I would appreciate it. I do wish to have the (e) on my banner very much. It's a bummer I don't , and not for a lack of trying.
Thanks for your explanation of what happened dpx. I'm glad it was not intentional. Thanks.
Aceshigh

OK I've tried entering my self just to be sure it was operating, give it a try just using your email and password, and not the in-game name. Hopefully the link below will easily take you there if not go back to the 1 page of this thread.

www.dogfightplay.com/management/squadmgnt/

Dxp, thank you for the link and your help. I tried the link and entered the info how u said. It still says wrong username or password. I tried my email then also my username and it just won't take any combination I try. I tried logging out of the forum and then I logged back in using my in game username and password. If that worked, shouldn't it also work when I try to log in to change my username at the link you gave me? I totally stuck here. It's a bummer man!
Also, I just did the update and can't even access the game. What happened? Crazy! Hope they get it workd out fast!
Thanks for your help man!
Aceshigh

Yes it should have worked one way or the other, hmmm we'll just have to reach out to slendy to find out why its not working for you. Because your able to log onto the forum, should be the same as well. 40 minutes ago the server may of had some glitches, we were able to log into games, you would see others entered but, no one was seen on the maps, and shortly after you would loose connection. But it seems to be working at the moment.

Are you able to click onto your name and then edit your profile. Maybe changing both your password and email then starting the process over you won't loose or you shouldn't loose your position/points/planes/account.

Hi guys, Ace you have to use the password you used to log into game. Not forum password but the first one you used to create account. Hope that helps. If you delete game and reinstall there is a forgot password option. Make sure your using the right e-mail first.

Kevy! You the man! I did it! Good advice! Thanks so much man!

Thanks, Kevy.

I've invited KPATT to post for membership. Has really improved over past few weeks.

I went to the forum and found instructions. I joined (or at least I think I did). Changed my name to [e] KP.

If I need to go through an approval process let me know. I can't seem to get a connection anyway so no one will see my [e].

If there's anything else I need to do just let me know.

Thanks,

KP