Okay now i fought two games with both ww1 and ww2 planes.... i kind of like it.

But I agree it will probably spell the end of why we joined this game in the first place.

I fear that format will kill noob day. Who wants to face an ME262 in an Airco? Heck, as a new player who wants to face a Spitfire in an EIII?. Some may like mixing the aircraft. I am not among those folks.

The other war games I play match tiers within one, up or down. For instance if you are in a tier 2 the game will be populated with either all tier 2 or a mix of 2 and 3, or 1 and 2. Keeps the games even and challenging for all players. Those other games have an abundance of players.

Think back to all the bickering about the platforms being different from a performance standpoint. Add all the complaints the ww2 aircraft lower tier were not close to competitive with the higher tiers. My feeling is the mixing of ww2 and ww1 will make the few ww2 players happy and the majority of ww1 players unhappy. I foresee less and less new players staying as a result.

this sucks. ALL NEEDS BE SAID!

Just yesterday I'm gunning away in WWI and enjoying it. Actually helped a Noob (forget name) learn to fly above the trees and he was very thankful.

Viper nailed it--there are other games that keep it fair for all and challenging. When that goes, so do the players.

Would be a damn shame.

[NLR] Doonesbury wrote: this sucks. ALL NEEDS BE SAID!

I second that! IT'S A JOKE! I DONT CARE TO PLAY IT THIS WAY ! The ww1 planes is what brought me to this game out. Of all the ww2 and ww1 games out there . It seemed slower paced game and we all enjoyed it . Not the fast action games .Simple and played every min i could .

Nail in a coffin if u as me biggest mistake zuperman ever did i understand he dont want empty games but this is not the answer the game just gonna die quickly now if u want full games just have someone to promo it to a big YouTuber

I'm going to add the reason I believe nobody plays ww2 is because most players aren't competitive vs. the guys who are there. Surely making folks go against ppl they aren't competitive with will keep them from playing at all.

How many times have we heard "I am not flying ww2, I cannot afford to buy the planes and upgrades to compete" from folks? So we throw them there anyway..... they are going to leave and never come back. That's my prediction.

EDIT** I would offer this suggestion to zuperman, get into games and fly a few missions, not as zuperman but as a player. Then you will see what we mean about empty games, disparity in the aircraft, and what makes the game fun and not so fun. Get in touch with the game and you will be able to better assess what needs to be done to make the game enjoyable at the level it once was. Make an account and play this game some zup. All you have to lose is some time.

I saw Zup in game last night. Though he didn't stay long. My biggest concern is the empty games. If I was trying this game for the first time, and had to relaunch the game 10 times before I saw anyone. I would probably move onto a different game.

Bad enough we have Airco DH-2 flying against Siemen-Schuckert IV.. I always said we needed newb server back and split the WW I planes into 2 groups so like flew against like. But now this is ridiculous! Ruined the game for me anyways.. I started playing this game because it was WWI planes. If I wanted to fly WWII planes there are many games much better with more accurate physics where you lose energy climbing and in turns and gain speed diving and can rip the wings off even. But I chose Dogfight because of WWI history etc.
Empty games are empty for a reason. Unfortunately many core players who have been here for years and who would play hours and hours everyday have left.. I don't claim to know the reason why, but surely there is a valid reason.

i started playing this game as it was a ww1 flying sim and ww2 didn't seem to appeal to me when it came but when all the top players where only playing there that's where i went too. But recently i have been playing ww1 the game seems smoother the bullet drop seems more stable (still don't like it ) and seems like a lot of ww2 are just playing for points
But this isn't the answer maybe if zup let new players in for way less money or even free things would pick up he can make his money from in app sales and subscriptions.

Simple seems to be the key word since day one . When i started ONE map (simple ) If the game rocked like that and changing to elite was to let everyone play with diff devices. Why add planes ? Why add bomber games that are easy for one side to win game ? Why change Zep game that you cant win defending it ? Hanger game , carrier game , and dog fight ( i dont like but will play dog fight) is all we need . Flag is dog fight, zep and bombers almost the same games . Why have them. Zup pole (ask in form) the players and noobs see what we want " just saying ".

For what it is worth. Who ever complained about the empty games. They are not empty now. It is just like DF1 was. Just starting out as a lieutenant just me against three or four moraf's. I always got hammered. But one of the ww1 lower levels said. The ww2 planes are as easy to shoot down as the ww1. I think it is going to be better then empty games. Hope he does put into play that team killers get banned automatically like the old game and maybe be able to report players in game again.

Just my opinion but got to say I agree with Red . People whinge and moan about the game being empty and people just in it for points blah blah blah and so Zup changes it and Holy Cow there they go again . So I guess no matter what Zup does he will never please everyone so he might as well please himself and those that don’t like it I guess don’t have to play it . After all children it is just a game and we do have a choice in choosing to participate in it . So my advice is just Smile , get out there and have a go . Like I said just my opinion

D- CC RIDER wrote: Just my opinion but got to say I agree with Red . People whinge and moan about the game being empty and people just in it for points blah blah blah and so Zup changes it and Holy Cow there they go again . So I guess no matter what Zup does he will never please everyone so he might as well please himself and those that don’t like it I guess don’t have to play it . After all children it is just a game and we do have a choice in choosing to participate in it . So my advice is just Smile , get out there and have a go . Like I said just my opinion

Like I said

Canceled my subscription today not the game it used to be. Either go ww1 or 2 the mixed game is a mistake.

Criticizing the zup decision is not good but definitely we can give our suggestions to make the game more enjoyable. It's the members feedback which can help him to improve the game.

We see only two issues Lag & Empty games. Lag has improved considerably after remove WWI & WWII servers . I like all the formats including the existing one but undoubtedly WWII planes have better speed over WWI which gives advantage to WWII planes in turn fighting and little bit in bombing mission too.

To do away with empty games, following option could be considered for testing:

Keeping only Bomb The Hangar Mission - This I suppose is favorite of all players. This will direct all players to same mission. The mission can be separated with WWI or WWII. If Zup can show the number of players already playing that mission in WWI and WWII, player can select the server having players.

I must admit I dont like the mixing of WWI and WWII planes. I like the purity of playing either. As I dont have a high ranking WWII plane these mixed games means its very difficult to compete wit the top ranking WWII aircraft.

I understand some people may like the mixed approach. I suspect, however that most people do not like it.

I absolutely love this game, but I would respectfully suggest that if the mixed game play is to stay then it is offered as an option. So there would be three games WWI, WWII and Mixed.

I totally agree with Redwasp....
Besides, Just think of all the WW2 planes that are going to be purchased..Zup u are a genius


quote="Redwasp2" post=366793]For what it is worth. Who ever complained about the empty games. They are not empty now. It is just like DF1 was. Just starting out as a lieutenant just me against three or four moraf's. I always got hammered. But one of the ww1 lower levels said. The ww2 planes are as easy to shoot down as the ww1. I think it is going to be better then empty games. Hope he does put into play that team killers get banned automatically like the old game and maybe be able to report players in game again.[/quote]

Heres one, lose ww2 entirely. Many of us started when it was only a ww1 game. The new players dont see ww2 until rank 17. Take the game back towards where we all started, back toward what grabbed us about the game in the first place.

Aside from calling us all children I agree with CC's post.

This guy doesn't like mixing and wont play until it is no longer mixed. I'll find something else to occupy my time.

Please someone keep me updated via pm. Ill watch the forum. Thanks.

No criticism of zup. Bless his heart he has tried and tried to modify the game to make folks happy from bullet drop to server changes to mixing games. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the game changed from a very good, basic WW1 aircraft game from when I started into this, but with every change the game has gotten further and further away from what it was when I fell in love with it. Just my opinion, some others may have embraced all the variations and have got themselves a more enjoyable game than what it once was. Personally the only time I ever complained to zup about anything was either account issues or that whole duplicate player issue we had recently. Otherwise I have adapted my style to the game and never expected or requested the game be adapted to my style any further than the forum posts I made addressing this update or that update. Some people obviously complained and got what they asked for. Enjoy.

I don't do 'fanfare goodbyes'. But I agree with Viper who, as my squad leader and good friend, got a PM from me stating I deleted this game for now and await word if/when it does change he knows how to find me.

Damn right, careful what you ask for, as you got it.

Enjoy it, indeed.

Dont get me wrong, whilst I dont like mixed planes I still love the game and I think the Dev has done an amazing job. I will stick with it in the hope it reverts to two separate games and hope that another way can be found to full the games with players.

To increase in game player numbers perhaps explore the following:

- delete mixed planes
- remove some game types, i.e., capture the flag (i get the feeling that dog fight and bombing missions are more popular anyway)
- optimise server management by forcing players into games rather than allowing new games to be created with a sole player
- create an in game invite system whereby players can invite team mates to join them in their current game
- perhaps allow members to create a lobby and then invite players to join them

Just my two cents worth

Viper10{WP} wrote: I'm going to add the reason I believe nobody plays ww2 is because most players aren't competitive vs. the guys who are there. Surely making folks go against ppl they aren't competitive with will keep them from playing at all.

How many times have we heard "I am not flying ww2, I cannot afford to buy the planes and upgrades to compete" from folks? So we throw them there anyway..... they are going to leave and never come back. That's my prediction.

EDIT** I would offer this suggestion to zuperman, get into games and fly a few missions, not as zuperman but as a player. Then you will see what we mean about empty games, disparity in the aircraft, and what makes the game fun and not so fun. Get in touch with the game and you will be able to better assess what needs to be done to make the game enjoyable at the level it once was. Make an account and play this game some zup. All you have to lose is some time.

I do that constantly. I have over 20 different accounts that I use for testing on different levels and I keep creating new ones to check stuff. It's not like I don't play. You just don't see me as zuperman and I don't usually announce myself because it defeats the purpose.
I'm playing around trying to find a midground, I don't get the drama. Tons were complaining about empty games, so I'm working to fix it. If you think you have the solution, say it... and i'll prove you wrong because I see the stats and all server connections. Games are empty because people are on different locations and split between 2 game types: ww1 and ww2. If I put them all in one ignoring location, then you have lag: everyone bitches about lag and complains non-stop again. If I split them on location then everyone complains about empty games. If I split them based on rank, then people complain because they can't play with noobs they want to play. If I join them together they complain because people have different ranks and they feel they should be more leveled. If I set them up leveled, then most games are empty because not many people around the same level play at the same time... and so on. Then someone comes here and begins insulting me like I'm not doing anything and destroying the game. Oh, tough shit. I'm trying my best, if they can't see it, their problem.

U doing. An awesome job!!!keep it up

You could be devious and set it so each player "sees" the other planes as being from the same war that they chose.
( I don't think they'd notice. I was in the top tier WW1 plane turn fighting with a jet last night, and there didn't seem to be that much in it, definitely less than between bottom and top WW1 planes. )
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Flying incognito in 20 different accounts?
An intelligence gathering service?
Now that adds a new twist to the game !
We could get points for correctly spotting the spy.

Actually that’s not a bad idea. I have to see how to work it a bit so it’s not that obvious. Specially for the number of bombs and bullets.

I wasn't being serious !
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In that case you'd better delete my post before anyone else sees it.