Here's another silly idea for you then.
Maybe when the game gets over a certain number of players, it instantly splits into two identical games, just 1/2 the players in each.
Then the only difference a player would notice is some players dropping out, which happens anyway.
Bingo, No empty games.
What happens downstream in terms of future game types might need thinking about.

Hello, would it be possible to choose the levels?
Three levels of initiation, medium and advanced, and released aircraft would be compatible with the chosen level.
We could migrate through the levels or mark with a group of friends, at which level we would be playing, then we could "fill an empty room if it is the case".
It's an idea that makes sense to me in part solves certain concerns.

TR wrote: Heres one, lose ww2 entirely. Many of us started when it was only a ww1 game. The new players dont see ww2 until rank 17. Take the game back towards where we all started, back toward what grabbed us about the game in the first place.

People payed for all those ww2 plane's would be upset, probably got close to 100 bucks in new plane's and tanks myself. Yep that will go over real well I'm sure.

[*M]TBUILT wrote:

TR wrote: Heres one, lose ww2 entirely. Many of us started when it was only a ww1 game. The new players dont see ww2 until rank 17. Take the game back towards where we all started, back toward what grabbed us about the game in the first place.

People payed for all those ww2 plane's would be upset, probably got close to 100 bucks in new plane's and tanks myself. Yep that will go over real well I'm sure.

Yes ive put in alot of time upgrading them but whats the answer if cutting other games out will do nothing as zup explained

One solution: Perhaps put prospective players in a queue until there are enough players to play a game? If everyone is surfing the different servers and missing each other and there are, say, 10 players online, they could be in a queue waiting for additional players. That way all the games would be populated with a minimal wait period before the game starts.

I was never a fan of some of the unrealistic aspects of the game (chute guy comes to mind) but realize an arcade type feel is good for the game as a whole. Having a separate queue for each era of aircraft may help to eliminate empty games without sacrificing the realistic feel I, and others, enjoy.

Honestly guys all complain about empty game, fair games, sneaker, glitches ,trying to get the upper hand on everyone else and the lag this is what this killing this game faster and who cares this game is about have fun the way I see it now the fun has is died it's not Zup that killing game if you think it him you should all every single of you should go down memory lane again to dogfight 1

Well, I'll end up unsubscribing. This was a terrible idea. And will only encourage people who Advance through spending cash. I'm going to give it about a week to fix itself but then I will unsubscribe for sure.

[*M]TBUILT wrote:

TR wrote: Heres one, lose ww2 entirely. Many of us started when it was only a ww1 game. The new players dont see ww2 until rank 17. Take the game back towards where we all started, back toward what grabbed us about the game in the first place.

People payed for all those ww2 plane's would be upset, probably got close to 100 bucks in new plane's and tanks myself. Yep that will go over real well I'm sure.

I have invested a pile of money in this also. That money is gone and all i have to show for it is electrons, or whatever on a vid screen.
So what, if i had spent it on beer or anything else it would still be gone. It was disposable income. But, if moving back towards a game that we, every single player, got hooked on, i am ok with that. Drop ww2, change point values to what they are in ww2, keep bullet drop or not i dont care, but take it to ww1 only. Not one player here started anywhere else. Everyone of us here got grabbed by ww1 air combat multiplayer. And many would love to see itcome back.

People may not have noticed but when he introduced mixed WW1 and 2 he seperate the levels. Since the joining of the two the lowest rank I have seen in my games is a group captain. When I flew on my old account which is only a wing commander the game was full off luitenants and aspirants. Having this format allow almost negates the effects of ww2 planes against low level players and allows them to grow as a player before facing the top players.

Zup, I think this was the right decision for you to make. You fixed a real issue of empty games, with an issue that only effects the asthetics and authenticity of the game. Note the word game, we are not recreating World War One. I respect that people came to the game for the WW1 planes, but what should keep you here even if you don’t like WW2 is the community we have built and the work everyone has done it build this game in the last 6 or so years. No one would be playing this game if it was exactly the same as the original. New additions had to be made to draw new people in and encourage others to stay.

Zup you did the right thing in terms of solving a game issue. Now we need to all help him to fine tune the game so that it is the best it can be. Don’t just give up on something we all helped build for years.

And here's another silly idea for you.
If someone start a game, and it stays empty for more than say 30 seconds, use some of your 20 accounts to put one or two of the robot planes in from the training games until the numbers build up.
No one would know, (I could never hit the blighters anyway ! )
.
It would be interesting to see how often they get accused of "cheating" "camping" "dropping" "foul language" etc etc.

How about keeping the ww2 planes but make them have the same capabilities as the ww1 planes. That way those who paid for ww2 planes get to keep them , but those with ww1 planes will have the same chance as playing against another ww1 plane.

How about just lower the requirements on rqnk to buy topp ww2 planes takes level 27 now to buy top ww2 plane if level 17 thats long way to go with crap planes

Remember DF1 had a choice of servers so why not have a choice IE (vimy ridge) server and that server is the server that puts people in the region they are in to limit lag and have a second server for example called (DONT WHINE) for those who want to play people from different regions .when we had the choice of servers you always knew you would be playing someone from Timbuktu who was on AOL dial up with less than 5mbs using a pc and a joystick

Well merging ww1 and ww2 planes has fixed wc it stays empty. Hummmmmm Hope this changes back i really miss flying just saying

Gannet wrote: And here's another silly idea for you.
If someone start a game, and it stays empty for more than say 30 seconds, use some of your 20 accounts to put one or two of the robot planes in from the training games until the numbers build up.
No one would know, (I could never hit the blighters anyway ! )
.
It would be interesting to see how often they get accused of "cheating" "camping" "dropping" "foul language" etc etc.

I did this when df1 was launched for the frst time and there was no players (only me and my ex testing). You'll be surprised how many people insulted the bot lol

Hahahaha! Not suprised

Spent good money as well and got alot of enjoyment and cheap entertainment, take em or leave em, dont care about which plane im flying, I'm mediocre at flying any of them. There will always be someone whining about some aspect they dont like. Thanks for a great game Zup, I'll continue to fly until you pull the plug.

Sorry Zup, but this is a mistake and I'm afraid I won't be subscribing anymore unless it goes back, and I love this game.
I never play WWII because I feel that the plane speeds amplify the disparity in connection speeds, I can't compete against a jet whose pilot is using a fiber optic connection with a top tier WWI plane.
Hope you reconsider
I think WWII waw a mistake and I think listening to all the people who constantly bitch is a mistake too, Michelangelo probably had people telling him that the David statue should look more butch but he wouldn't have listened!

zuperman wrote:

Gannet wrote: And here's another silly idea for you.
If someone start a game, and it stays empty for more than say 30 seconds, use some of your 20 accounts to put one or two of the robot planes in from the training games until the numbers build up.
No one would know, (I could never hit the blighters anyway ! )
.
It would be interesting to see how often they get accused of "cheating" "camping" "dropping" "foul language" etc etc.

I did this when df1 was launched for the frst time and there was no players (only me and my ex testing). You'll be surprised how many people insulted the bot lol

You mean "You and your ex were the one's insulting the bot" ?

pmoon1{WP} wrote: Sorry Zup, but this is a mistake and I'm afraid I won't be subscribing anymore unless it goes back, and I love this game.
I never play WWII because I feel that the plane speeds amplify the disparity in connection speeds, I can't compete against a jet whose pilot is using a fiber optic connection with a top tier WWI plane.
Hope you reconsider
I think WWII waw a mistake and I think listening to all the people who constantly bitch is a mistake too, Michelangelo probably had people telling him that the David statue should look more butch but he wouldn't have listened!

I was in one last night were 2 just 2 ww1 plane's Dominated 4 jets on the other side, we all know the ww2 plane's are bigger. Trying to hit a ww1 plane is like shooting at a grain of salt on the screen for me when I'm in a jet and with it's larger profile you don't stand a chance.
Done playing until things change.

[*M]TBUILT wrote:

pmoon1{WP} wrote: Sorry Zup, but this is a mistake and I'm afraid I won't be subscribing anymore unless it goes back, and I love this game.
I never play WWII because I feel that the plane speeds amplify the disparity in connection speeds, I can't compete against a jet whose pilot is using a fiber optic connection with a top tier WWI plane.
Hope you reconsider
I think WWII waw a mistake and I think listening to all the people who constantly bitch is a mistake too, Michelangelo probably had people telling him that the David statue should look more butch but he wouldn't have listened!

I was in one last night were 2 just 2 ww1 plane's Dominated 4 jets on the other side, we all know the ww2 plane's are bigger. Trying to hit a ww1 plane is like shooting at a grain of salt on the screen for me when I'm in a jet and with it's larger profile you don't stand a chance.
Done playing until things change.

I was in game last night with you and GAW. I played just to see new update. By mistake I fired on my own team mates because of the difference in speed of the WW1 versus WW2 aircraft. To me it was not a true win as I know I was hard to hit. Yep, I spent too much on all those WW2 planes with upgrades. But I want just the WW1.
Agree with Pmoon....Zup shouldn't listen to the bitching. In turn, players decide to stay or go.

Just my thought Blue you can’t just bomb the hangers game ppl will get bord playing the same thing over n over again . What I think zup should do is ppl at a certain level should olny b able to play ww2 games Nether new comers should bie ww1 this way they can learn n fight against there own level learn n planes with out been bombared by a bunch of players that like to take it to the noobs then they fell like wow this game is fuck up how can I bet these guys when they have better planes . I don’t talk a lot in forum a lot but when I see someone wrong I will say something about Everyone wants new ppl to join but if you beat the crap out them just guess what they will do doesnt take a lot of brains to think they will do WW1 should be for the lower rank and WW2shiuld be for the higher rank so ppl with the same flying skill can fight let the noobs learn frist befor they come up to ww2 I think this is the longest thing I ever said on forum THATS WHATS ZUP SHOULD And that’s all iam saying. Blue nothing against u bro

onekill wrote: Just my thought Blue you can’t just bomb the hangers game ppl will get bord playing the same thing over n over again . What I think zup should do is ppl at a certain level should olny b able to play ww2 games Nether new comers should bie ww1 this way they can learn n fight against there own level learn n planes with out been bombared by a bunch of players that like to take it to the noobs then they fell like wow this game is fuck up how can I bet these guys when they have better planes . I don’t talk a lot in forum a lot but when I see someone wrong I will say something about Everyone wants new ppl to join but if you beat the crap out them just guess what they will do doesnt take a lot of brains to think they will do WW1 should be for the lower rank and WW2shiuld be for the higher rank so ppl with the same flying skill can fight let the noobs learn frist befor they come up to ww2 I think this is the longest thing I ever said on forum THATS WHATS ZUP SHOULD And that’s all iam saying. Blue nothing against u bro

One kill you are jem of a person. Respect your and each member's opinion.

This is coming from players high enough rank to get best ww2 planes how about us low level that can only get the oower level ww2 planes no fun to be out played by a plane advantage in either ww1 or ww2

One, I have seen a lot of the higher level players that say they prefer WWI, and would be OK if WWII went away. I am one of those players.

onekill wrote: Just my thought Blue you can’t just bomb the hangers game ppl will get bord playing the same thing over n over again . What I think zup should do is ppl at a certain level should olny b able to play ww2 games Nether new comers should bie ww1 this way they can learn n fight against there own level learn n planes with out been bombared by a bunch of players that like to take it to the noobs then they fell like wow this game is fuck up how can I bet these guys when they have better planes . I don’t talk a lot in forum a lot but when I see someone wrong I will say something about Everyone wants new ppl to join but if you beat the crap out them just guess what they will do doesnt take a lot of brains to think they will do WW1 should be for the lower rank and WW2shiuld be for the higher rank so ppl with the same flying skill can fight let the noobs learn frist befor they come up to ww2 I think this is the longest thing I ever said on forum THATS WHATS ZUP SHOULD And that’s all iam saying. Blue nothing against u bro

You right brother, we have both seen high ranked players never leave ww1. I wonder if they even play now that they are not the big fish in the small pond.

Grandpappy 9 {WP} wrote: One, I have seen a lot of the higher level players that say they prefer WWI, and would be OK if WWII went away. I am one of those players.

Pappy im with you. I spent a good bit on the ww2 planes, and dont care if ww2 goes away. Lets get back to the game we all started with, or something close.

Viper10{WP} wrote: Aside from calling us all children I agree with CC's post.

This guy doesn't like mixing and wont play until it is no longer mixed. I'll find something else to occupy my time.

Please someone keep me updated via pm. Ill watch the forum. Thanks.

No criticism of zup. Bless his heart he has tried and tried to modify the game to make folks happy from bullet drop to server changes to mixing games. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the game changed from a very good, basic WW1 aircraft game from when I started into this, but with every change the game has gotten further and further away from what it was when I fell in love with it. Just my opinion, some others may have embraced all the variations and have got themselves a more enjoyable game than what it once was. Personally the only time I ever complained to zup about anything was either account issues or that whole duplicate player issue we had recently. Otherwise I have adapted my style to the game and never expected or requested the game be adapted to my style any further than the forum posts I made addressing this update or that update. Some people obviously complained and got what they asked for. Enjoy.

Well said, and I agree wholeheartedly.
I feel the game now rewards those who spend their money on upgrades as opposed to earning them through gameplay.
I miss the days of DF1. I used to play for hours...
No longer. In my opinion, the game has slowly spiraled down since DF Elite was released.
I hope someone will PM me if things change, but for now...I'm out.

Just today I played an exciting CTC with everyone flying ww1 planes it went on for about a half hour and several commented that it was like “the good dogfight 1 days “.

EgorDogg{WP} wrote:

Viper10{WP} wrote: Aside from calling us all children I agree with CC's post.

This guy doesn't like mixing and wont play until it is no longer mixed. I'll find something else to occupy my time.

Please someone keep me updated via pm. Ill watch the forum. Thanks.

No criticism of zup. Bless his heart he has tried and tried to modify the game to make folks happy from bullet drop to server changes to mixing games. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the game changed from a very good, basic WW1 aircraft game from when I started into this, but with every change the game has gotten further and further away from what it was when I fell in love with it. Just my opinion, some others may have embraced all the variations and have got themselves a more enjoyable game than what it once was. Personally the only time I ever complained to zup about anything was either account issues or that whole duplicate player issue we had recently. Otherwise I have adapted my style to the game and never expected or requested the game be adapted to my style any further than the forum posts I made addressing this update or that update. Some people obviously complained and got what they asked for. Enjoy.

Well said, and I agree wholeheartedly.
I feel the game now rewards those who spend their money on upgrades as opposed to earning them through gameplay.
I miss the days of DF1. I used to play for hours...
No longer. In my opinion, the game has slowly spiraled down since DF Elite was released.
I hope someone will PM me if things change, but for now...I'm out.

Feeling the same been waiting for it to change back watching players leaving . Its sad was such a great game when i started seemed like i was a lucky one to catch the great games of df1. I was one of the first to come over to elite before df1 ended months later . Squeaky and mcfate where in elite and frits . I dont understand we get flowers but not the game we love or will we ? Zup will it change back or not ?