Why would you play up against someone that has that much advantage over a tilt control? Typically when playing a PC player I actually get half way through my first manuver and they have circus stunted around you two times and before you have time to even react your down..l like to hunt but this is sort of like hunting bear with a switch isn't it? Lol. Good news though I do know how to do the android ditch ..

yep i give up if i see a pc player now they have way more turning advantage my tablet responds so slow to movements and its not my tablet i have 4 tabs so i tested this out on my laptop using a logitech game control wow how fast i can turn no one can keep up with me the advantage is there.

I am a PC player, I did not notice I had that much of a turn advantage over you guys

I thought that Zup had got it fairly even now, I am out turned by quite a few players that are on tilt. I know Dunc, CC, Cush, starch, SP and others easily get the upper hand in a turnfight. I am wonder if all PC devices perform the same?

AS you guys all know I am a big advocate of a level playing field and will try to inform Zup of any gamre observations that will help him continue refining game play

Cypher please don't take this as complaining or whining because it's not..I'm probably the last person that cares about a whole lot on this game.. It's just so noticeable with every update that certain formats get faster and certain one's got slower. There was a time before updates started making changes that i could keep up and actually do a respectable turn fight.. after the updates it's no doubt obvious that I'm running a vw bus and other formats or players are running a Mercedes turbo charged sports car. Used multiple devices so I know that's not the problem..if people are happy with this then it's OK ..I have an advantage to ditch my vw bus and let the turbo charged vehicle go on by. Can't stand and fight someone when you only are allowed to swing with one arm.

acefreely wrote: Cypher please don't take this as complaining or whining because it's not..I'm probably the last person that cares about a whole lot on this game.. It's just so noticeable with every update that certain formats get faster and certain one's got slower. There was a time before updates started making changes that i could keep up and actually do a respectable turn fight.. after the updates it's no doubt obvious that I'm running a vw bus and other formats or players are running a Mercedes turbo charged sports car. Used multiple devices so I know that's not the problem..if people are happy with this then it's OK ..I have an advantage to ditch my vw bus and let the turbo charged vehicle go on by. Can't stand and fight someone when you only are allowed to swing with one arm.

Ace I know your not whining at all, And I think players like you need to bring these plane maneuvering shortfalls up. And the way you posted it is fine brother. This is how we will help Zup get it all sorted out.Thanks for the post brother

Cypher7{WP} wrote:

acefreely wrote: Cypher please don't take this as complaining or whining because it's not..I'm probably the last person that cares about a whole lot on this game.. It's just so noticeable with every update that certain formats get faster and certain one's got slower. There was a time before updates started making changes that i could keep up and actually do a respectable turn fight.. after the updates it's no doubt obvious that I'm running a vw bus and other formats or players are running a Mercedes turbo charged sports car. Used multiple devices so I know that's not the problem..if people are happy with this then it's OK ..I have an advantage to ditch my vw bus and let the turbo charged vehicle go on by. Can't stand and fight someone when you only are allowed to swing with one arm.

Ace I know your not whining at all, And I think players like you need to bring these plane maneuvering shortfalls up. And the way you posted it is fine brother. This is how we will help Zup get it all sorted out.Thanks for the post brother

These issues have been brought to this forum as soon as Microsoft was introduced. As of late those who have been around as a Microsoft user from df1 can say that they argued against any advantage where as hand held players could see an advantage and again I still see a 2 year old subjects observation results that something isn't right and probably never will be.

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Cypher7{WP} wrote:

acefreely wrote: Cypher please don't take this as complaining or whining because it's not..I'm probably the last person that cares about a whole lot on this game.. It's just so noticeable with every update that certain formats get faster and certain one's got slower. There was a time before updates started making changes that i could keep up and actually do a respectable turn fight.. after the updates it's no doubt obvious that I'm running a vw bus and other formats or players are running a Mercedes turbo charged sports car. Used multiple devices so I know that's not the problem..if people are happy with this then it's OK ..I have an advantage to ditch my vw bus and let the turbo charged vehicle go on by. Can't stand and fight someone when you only are allowed to swing with one arm.

Ace I know your not whining at all, And I think players like you need to bring these plane maneuvering shortfalls up. And the way you posted it is fine brother. This is how we will help Zup get it all sorted out.Thanks for the post brother

These issues have been brought to this forum as soon as Microsoft was introduced. As of late those who have been around as a Microsoft user from df1 can say that they argued against any advantage where as hand held players could see an advantage and again I still see a 2 year old subjects observation results that something isn't right and probably never will be.

Yes it is a very old unsolved topic. And you maybe right. It mighty never get resolved to every ones satisfaction. Actually that is almost a guarantee . Purely because DF Elite is not a arcade game. If that makes sense? With so many different platforms, game launcher apps, server quality, location, weather, geographic local, on and on. I have to take my hat off to Zup for getting it as close as he does. I dont no if you read Mr Crockett last posts there before he hung up his wings again.
About the over complication of certain aspects of the game. There is so many different views out there. I actually really like the way the game i going. I think Zup is going in the right direction. Yes the game is hard to get into a groove, yes the game doesn't seem to play the same way day to day. Some days I am unstoppable. Other days, I feel like I should be playing with leggos and wearing a helmet lolololo. I guess the question is . Are you still having fun brother

Cypher7{WP} wrote:

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Cypher7{WP} wrote:

acefreely wrote: Cypher please don't take this as complaining or whining because it's not..I'm probably the last person that cares about a whole lot on this game.. It's just so noticeable with every update that certain formats get faster and certain one's got slower. There was a time before updates started making changes that i could keep up and actually do a respectable turn fight.. after the updates it's no doubt obvious that I'm running a vw bus and other formats or players are running a Mercedes turbo charged sports car. Used multiple devices so I know that's not the problem..if people are happy with this then it's OK ..I have an advantage to ditch my vw bus and let the turbo charged vehicle go on by. Can't stand and fight someone when you only are allowed to swing with one arm.

Ace I know your not whining at all, And I think players like you need to bring these plane maneuvering shortfalls up. And the way you posted it is fine brother. This is how we will help Zup get it all sorted out.Thanks for the post brother

These issues have been brought to this forum as soon as Microsoft was introduced. As of late those who have been around as a Microsoft user from df1 can say that they argued against any advantage where as hand held players could see an advantage and again I still see a 2 year old subjects observation results that something isn't right and probably never will be.

Yes it is a very old unsolved topic. And you maybe right. It mighty never get resolved to every ones satisfaction. Actually that is almost a guarantee . Purely because DF Elite is not a arcade game. If that makes sense? With so many different platforms, game launcher apps, server quality, location, weather, geographic local, on and on. I have to take my hat off to Zup for getting it as close as he does. I dont no if you read Mr Crockett last posts there before he hung up his wings again.
About the over complication of certain aspects of the game. There is so many different views out there. I actually really like the way the game i going. I think Zup is going in the right direction. Yes the game is hard to get into a groove, yes the game doesn't seem to play the same way day to day. Some days I am unstoppable. Other days, I feel like I should be playing with leggos and wearing a helmet lolololo. I guess the question is . Are you still having fun brother

Hi cypher 7,. You are a very lucky man lol that you didn't spawn into the game in the very beginning of dogfight. Instant addiction and it was very bad for relationships, yes there were breakups and divorces, not just a few but many family's were affected. I was talking to Von hulk last night and we were reminiscing on all the fun we had. It was a blast. You don't know how many times we would be on zello trying to calm down a fellow player whose wife was mad. Lol. Yes it was that good. The game is still fun though, much better than anything else out that's for sure however it went from addiction to fun.

Doggy Dix wrote: It all about how good connection you have...im on pc...and against certain players I know play on PC I haven't the slightest change to turn against... very annoying same thing happens against certain players with a Ipad...or even player using droid phones ... At one point it was player that use a hand control and played phone... or had a mac and played with hand control... that seems to fluctuate who have the advantage... And everyone and all know with right device you can have major advance someone have it others don't even if they have same equipment...I think lot of the performance can be blamed on what kind of connection you have to servers at a especiall occasion...

Good point doggy Dix

[*M] MISFIT CROCKETT wrote:

Cypher7{WP} wrote:

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Cypher7{WP} wrote:

acefreely wrote: Cypher please don't take this as complaining or whining because it's not..I'm probably the last person that cares about a whole lot on this game.. It's just so noticeable with every update that certain formats get faster and certain one's got slower. There was a time before updates started making changes that i could keep up and actually do a respectable turn fight.. after the updates it's no doubt obvious that I'm running a vw bus and other formats or players are running a Mercedes turbo charged sports car. Used multiple devices so I know that's not the problem..if people are happy with this then it's OK ..I have an advantage to ditch my vw bus and let the turbo charged vehicle go on by. Can't stand and fight someone when you only are allowed to swing with one arm.

Ace I know your not whining at all, And I think players like you need to bring these plane maneuvering shortfalls up. And the way you posted it is fine brother. This is how we will help Zup get it all sorted out.Thanks for the post brother

These issues have been brought to this forum as soon as Microsoft was introduced. As of late those who have been around as a Microsoft user from df1 can say that they argued against any advantage where as hand held players could see an advantage and again I still see a 2 year old subjects observation results that something isn't right and probably never will be.

Yes it is a very old unsolved topic. And you maybe right. It mighty never get resolved to every ones satisfaction. Actually that is almost a guarantee . Purely because DF Elite is not a arcade game. If that makes sense? With so many different platforms, game launcher apps, server quality, location, weather, geographic local, on and on. I have to take my hat off to Zup for getting it as close as he does. I dont no if you read Mr Crockett last posts there before he hung up his wings again.
About the over complication of certain aspects of the game. There is so many different views out there. I actually really like the way the game i going. I think Zup is going in the right direction. Yes the game is hard to get into a groove, yes the game doesn't seem to play the same way day to day. Some days I am unstoppable. Other days, I feel like I should be playing with leggos and wearing a helmet lolololo. I guess the question is . Are you still having fun brother

Hi cypher 7,. You are a very lucky man lol that you didn't spawn into the game in the very beginning of dogfight. Instant addiction and it was very bad for relationships, yes there were breakups and divorces, not just a few but many family's were affected. I was talking to Von hulk last night and we were reminiscing on all the fun we had. It was a blast. You don't know how many times we would be on zello trying to calm down a fellow player whose wife was mad. Lol. Yes it was that good. The game is still fun though, much better than anything else out that's for sure however it went from addiction to fun.

I sure wish I was one of those guys that was from the beginning, I love to here the stories from back then. I would love to be in a game Viper, Dire Dunc and mysef against you hulk Comet M]bzerkbzerk or Whiplash

And I do hope you play now and again. When we had that last chat on Zello before I went in to write my exam, The part of having no heros aany more and the inability to Moraf. I hate to criticizes Zup in any way, I feel that guy works his butt off, but that was hi big mistake . 47 levels to Moraf. To much in my opinion. But hey, Its been done twice.

One time we were playing when we went into a tornado warning, high winds and trees snapping around us. What was I doing, trying to get one more game in before the power went out. Ugggg

I don't know who plays on what platform or what type of internet connection they hav, maybe we should have some kind of registry to refer to and this could help Zup see what and where the advantages are.

Like list device: tablet
Connection: broadband
Kills :10,452
Deaths: 10,651

Something like that

Dad and I have no trees, I'm sure its part device and part connection. In a game with a PC player and all he did was complain I had no trees, all the while outturning me easily.
I suspect many don't have trees so why not get rid of them? That way the none can whine about it. So we can all go back to the regular old disadvantage of PC over tilt fighters.

Here's my observation. Yes, the controls are different. I honestly find the main advantage of pc to be that it's easier to keep a steady aim on someone. To explain, I play on an iPad. I've used a slight variation of DF1 PC, and watched skeeter and others play elite on pc as well. I think the biggest advantage is head on. Its much hard to keep a tablet still to maintain your aim, whereas phones are better (smaller and easier to hold still) and PC controls are the best. However, I don't think turnfighting has that big a disadvantage for me. I've gotten quite good at it and can take out plenty of PC players. Even zup and I had a turnfight and it lasted about 3 minutes going round and round lol

But in that fight you know how he got me? Quickly changed direction before I could follow him, and he nabbed me. That is the pc advantage. They can switch directions very fast.

_{in my defense I killed him on the next run haha}

Just my 2¢.

[*M] MISFIT CROCKETT wrote: One time we were playing when we went into a tornado warning, high winds and trees snapping around us. What was I doing, trying to get one more game in before the power went out. Ugggg

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well, many know I've been working on this for years, the issue is that every joystick, pc and mac is different, even some keyboards are different! So I try to adjust them as close as I can and then again when someone tells me they found a new model.
In short, it's a pain in the ass, but i'm doing my best to try to make it equal.

Agent003{WP} wrote: Here's my observation. Yes, the controls are different. I honestly find the main advantage of pc to be that it's easier to keep a steady aim on someone. To explain, I play on an iPad. I've used a slight variation of DF1 PC, and watched skeeter and others play elite on pc as well. I think the biggest advantage is head on. Its much hard to keep a tablet still to maintain your aim, whereas phones are better (smaller and easier to hold still) and PC controls are the best. However, I don't think turn fighting has that big a disadvantage for me. I've gotten quite good at it and can take out plenty of PC players. Even zup and I had a turnfight and it lasted about 3 minutes going round and round lol

But in that fight you know how he got me? Quickly changed direction before I could follow him, and he nabbed me. That is the pc advantage. They can switch directions very fast.

_{in my defense I killed him on the next run haha}

Just my 2¢.

Agreed, head on stability is our greatest advantage. Turn fighting is pretty equal but it also does depend on connection and variability of the device.

ps. Good work zuperman, you're doing your best and that's all we can ask of you!

Huckleberry wrote: Dad and I have no trees, I'm sure its part device and part connection. In a game with a PC player and all he did was complain I had no trees, all the while outturning me easily.
I suspect many don't have trees so why not get rid of them? That way the none can whine about it. So we can all go back to the regular old disadvantage of PC over tilt fighters.

The trees add a dimension we didn't have before... low level obstacles and a place for the tanks to hide. While I love the trees and everyone having them, I also hate the trees. I haven't seen an advantage one way or another between folks who can see trees and those who cannot. I recall in df1 there were enough folks who could fly through the ground while you were chasing them... this seems like the same thing.

I want to know why some folks can shoot like crazy from the chute while my rifle seems like a single shot bolt action .22 caliber daisy pellet gun.

Viper10{WP} wrote: I haven't seen an advantage one way or another between folks who can see trees and those who cannot.

I want to know why some folks can shoot like crazy from the chute while my rifle seems like a single shot bolt action .22 caliber daisy pellet gun.

There are two areas where there's an advantage that I have noticed:

1. If you're in a tank hiding in the trees, it's not easy for those trying to shoot you, because they have a harder time seeing where you are, and they have to worry about crashing into the trees. When a pilot doesn't have trees, they have no problem seeing the tank, and no worrying about crashing. All the while the tank seeing trees has a hard time seeing the plane flying in the trees, so he has a harder time trying to shoot them, not to mention the shell might hit a tree and not the plane.
2. Incoming plane to the base, or East carrier, flies straight at you through the trees, while you have to try and find them, all while planning where to move so you don't crash into a tree. They see you trying to fly over the trees, but they can fly free and get you.

Yeah my rifle is the same way.

the guy in the chute works easier with apple i can close my eyes and hit something on my ipad on android i shoot blanks

Viper10{WP} wrote:

Huckleberry wrote: Dad and I have no trees, I'm sure its part device and part connection. In a game with a PC player and all he did was complain I had no trees, all the while outturning me easily.
I suspect many don't have trees so why not get rid of them? That way the none can whine about it. So we can all go back to the regular old disadvantage of PC over tilt fighters.

The trees add a dimension we didn't have before... low level obstacles and a place for the tanks to hide. While I love the trees and everyone having them, I also hate the trees. I haven't seen an advantage one way or another between folks who can see trees and those who cannot. I recall in df1 there were enough folks who could fly through the ground while you were chasing them... this seems like the same thing.

I want to know why some folks can shoot like crazy from the chute while my rifle seems like a single shot bolt action .22 caliber daisy pellet gun.

Viper10{WP} wrote:

Huckleberry wrote: Dad and I have no trees, I'm sure its part device and part connection. In a game with a PC player and all he did was complain I had no trees, all the while outturning me easily.
I suspect many don't have trees so why not get rid of them? That way the none can whine about it. So we can all go back to the regular old disadvantage of PC over tilt fighters.

The trees add a dimension we didn't have before... low level obstacles and a place for the tanks to hide. While I love the trees and everyone having them, I also hate the trees. I haven't seen an advantage one way or another between folks who can see trees and those who cannot. I recall in df1 there were enough folks who could fly through the ground while you were chasing them... this seems like the same thing.

I want to know why some folks can shoot like crazy from the chute while my rifle seems like a single shot bolt action .22 caliber daisy pellet gun.

That is a great point Viper. I can not hit mars if it passed by me. I always wondered how some are so deadly in chute. I feel I am one of the better marksman in tank but not so much in thee chute

The holy grail is surely trees for all and equal turn for all-I don't mind getting downed by a better player,but I hate getting downed by an unfair advantage!!!I think that probably goes for everyone mind!!
I have had this issue from the start of the pc era,and I have used various phones and tablets which have all been new at the time with the same result!!
I run fibre broadband at 44mbps so hardly slow.

Keep at it Zup-I'm sure the solution is there somewhere but I cannot pretend to understand game development and the skills and issues that I'm sure abound in equal measure.

On a slightly differing note,it's great to see how busy ww1 is-lots of new players coming through who are getting bettter and better!!Should bode well for ww2 when they get sufficient funds to buy aircraft.
I would suggest to all the seasoned players that they drop in now an again to help bring them on and point in the right direction when things go wrong!!

They are always talking about squads and joining one,maybe the squad leaders could get their heads together and form junior squads for new players to join and allocate a rolling roster of vets to run in for a spell at a time??I shall leave that to the squad leaders to discuss and advance.

I just don't understand the mindset that allows PCS and iPhones have such a great Advantage turning Android is the largest by far selling phones and tablets Windows even change their software so it was compatible with the Android type system Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 I feel like zup has turned his back on what got him here the Android platform PCS not only have a stability advantage they also have a view advantage more than half the people on this game complain about the fact they can't turn anymore and absolutely nothing is being done I do not mean to criticize I just think that it needs to be fixed properly

i got a great video yesterday where a plane turned right in front of me across my screen i saw him went to maneuver to chase him by the time i thought of the move i was being shot at and down he has a huge advantage over my tablet i was circling in same plane same upgrades to the plane as he had the only difference he was on pc

ahmechanic wrote: I just don't understand the mindset that allows PCS and iPhones have such a great Advantage turning Android is the largest by far selling phones and tablets Windows even change their software so it was compatible with the Android type system Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 I feel like zup has turned his back on what got him here the Android platform PCS not only have a stability advantage they also have a view advantage more than half the people on this game complain about the fact they can't turn anymore and absolutely nothing is being done I do not mean to criticize I just think that it needs to be fixed properly

ahmechanic wrote: I just don't understand the mindset that allows PCS and iPhones have such a great Advantage turning Android is the largest by far selling phones and tablets Windows even change their software so it was compatible with the Android type system Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 I feel like zup has turned his back on what got him here the Android platform PCS not only have a stability advantage they also have a view advantage more than half the people on this game complain about the fact they can't turn anymore and absolutely nothing is being done I do not mean to criticize I just think that it needs to be fixed properly

I have both android and iOS devices,they both have the turn disadvantage.

Well I guarantee you that well over half the players in this game are using Android and every one of them is complaining about the same thing

I am a pc player and I have a disadvantage over some other devices as well. I don't generally ask what those devices are, but they are out there. Is it the joystick perhaps? Dunno. I know one player who had a distinct turn radius advantage and the answer was ipad.

My point is there has been inconsistencies in hardware since I have been playing. A blanket statement about devices is not entirely accurate as the advantage tends to swing back and forth with updates. The only solution that will make this chronic complaint disappear is different servers based on device. I bet even if that were the case there would be complaints. Most of us say no to that separation (but I think its coming anyway) because we have friends who play on other devices and if the servers separate we lose part of our community, if that makes sense. In the meantime I will keep playing even against players who have a decisive hardware advantage because the game is just so darn fun. Some of the best games I have happen when I am getting my tail shot off.

ahmechanic wrote: I just don't understand the mindset that allows PCS and iPhones have such a great Advantage turning Android is the largest by far selling phones and tablets Windows even change their software so it was compatible with the Android type system Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 I feel like zup has turned his back on what got him here the Android platform PCS not only have a stability advantage they also have a view advantage more than half the people on this game complain about the fact they can't turn anymore and absolutely nothing is being done I do not mean to criticize I just think that it needs to be fixed properly

You make it sound like its as easy as turning the channel. Do you realize how small of a fish Zup is in the over all gaming world?

I guarantee Zup does not receive the core support and service that big gaming platforms receive. Not even close. When he submits updates he has to wait for them to be applied at there convenience. If some thing is not entirely working properly he has to go through the same submittal process over and over and over again.

He has to do this for all the different companies.
All the different makes and models need to be tested,
He writes the programs and also has to read all of our garbage on the DF Forum, putting out petty fires and disagreements.
Deal with account issues, login problems and complaints
And probably has to take care of a Latino girlfriend or Wife.
And those girls demand a lot of attention and time. As well they do not accept no baby not tonight. I need to read Cyphers emails.
So cut him some slack. Suck it up and quit being such a ohhh pooor me I keep getting out turned. And become a better head on fighter.
I get lit up like a roman Candle in WW2 evey time I play. I sure don't go to Zup and ask him to change the game to even it up for me.
Accept the fact the game will never ever be totally level playing field. Not now not ever.
That's what arcade games are for. What do you fly. I have yet to actually see you in game.

Let me tell you how to do the android ditch.. when somebody has a turn advantage that is so severe you can't even make 1 turn ..you can assure yourself it's not another android player..that being said on your next trip fly at 20 km above the ground then if you don't down them head on and they pass you have just a very few seconds to engage .. Don't! Already been down that road right? So ditch it.. it's the android ditch manuver..patent pending.