zuperman wrote: oh well, honestly I couldn't care less about the timer. I added it per request, so i'm just changing it to 80 minutes games and ignore my original post.
When more people is on Elite i'll work it to my original post, since people just seem to be looking for excuses to say that df1 is better (even if I copied verbatim df1 to elite, they would still say the same, trust me, let's see what's the new excuse now that the timer is basically gone).

I think I found out the solution: ignore them. Otherwise it's going to drive everyone nuts. Someone that says I would quit if world chat is removed, or if this lag continues... and then now that wc is gone, lag is triple than before on df1, they swear by their mother it's a great game... well, do they realize that they lose points on my "feedback and requests" list?

The truth? Df1 is NOT better. Not even close. The problem is that it has more players so everyone flocks there. But that will be solved real real soon.

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Sir , with all due respect, I have to say you are wrong in your assessment that elite is a better game. The reason so few people play it is because they prefer df1 ( maybe you could ask yourself why) Technically you may argue that some aspects of elite are superior , but the fact remains , in df1 you have created something quite unique and to change it too much can never improve the enjoyment of playing it.
You say elite is better but it is not as enjoyable as DF1 and that's what counts.
I know a lot of people used to complain about df1 but they still played it , unfortunately the same cannot be said of Elite.
In a way ,sir, you are a victim of your own success I fully understand that you wish to make a better game for us and I applaud you for it but by making too many changes , is , I believe counter productive and may prove fatal to the great community that you have created.
In my humble opinion we should return to the core basics of DF1 ie no timers , no bullet drops , moderators who can help to police the game . So this great game can continue to be what is for many of us the greatest game we have ever played.

PS.
Zup , I just tried playing elite 3 seperate times this morning and each time I got into an empty game , each time I went straight back to DF1 and got into a full game , that's gotta tell you something sir

well, I would agree with you if I had created a completely different game. But here is the situation. Dogfight Elite version 1, was EXACTLY df1. No changes, whatsoever, not even one.

Surprise: people complained that df1 was much better and the people that realized it was the same game, complained why it was the same game. (but pay attention to those that complained it df1 was much better!!!)

Another change came: ww2 airplanes were added. Nothing else. No other change whatsoever. Surprise: people complained df1 was better and asked for some changes.

Another version came and those requested changes were added. Surprise: people complained that df1 was better...

Get my point?

Dogfight Elite has been the progression of df1, if it wasn't because I can't update the same package on the store, Dogfight Elite would be df1 right this moment! So it is not a different game. Nothing has changed drastically.

Tell me otherwise, what has changed so much on Elite compared to df1? Don't tell me that the timer (which btw was added just 2 weeks ago) is the one responsible for not moving to Elite. Nor is the bullet drop, it was also added after months to Elite! And people was not moving before either.

The main different is just one: people. Nothing else. Df1 has more players and Elite does not, for the simple fact that the millions of players of df1 do not pay anything whatsoever (which causes the game to go bankrupt! I don't call that "success") I give Dogfight Elite for free and trust me, we'll have the game flooded with new players. It has absolutely nothing to do with a better or a worse game. It's a matter of wanting to play free for millions of players on df1. And I'm going to prove it to you this week. Just check the announcement post soon.

I pay every month, I have stayed on DF1 because its the game I know and love. I have tried the Elite version, I just don't enjoy the bullet drop, the parachute controls are different and barely controllable, the tank is even slower then in DF1, and the range of the tank shells has been shortened. Once the "old" game no longer works, I shall give Elite another try. It Just doesn't feel like the "same" game from this end.

hola zupperman The bullet drop for me is inconsistent one game i can hit things and the next game i aim exactly the same and cant hit jack shit (maybe bullet drop combined with lag make it inconsistent ) the planes and tanks seem slower and the tanks have no range .i challenge you zup open a anonymous account go to DF1 and ask people why they don't play elite most site these reasons.im sorry its not the same!after playing df for 2 years i encouraged my good lady to play after much nagging about playing too much we enjoyed games together she came into elite had a 5 kill 40 death game thew her tablet across the room and its been there for 3 months .DF was a easy game to pick up and play this is the only game i ever played and found it by accident when i got a windows tablet as a gift.im pretty good at elite and it is very a good game but why does df1 still bring a smile to my face and when i play elite i grind my teeth ?

zuperman wrote: well, I would agree with you if I had created a completely different game. But here is the situation. Dogfight Elite version 1, was EXACTLY df1. No changes, whatsoever, not even one.

Surprise: people complained that df1 was much better and the people that realized it was the same game, complained why it was the same game. (but pay attention to those that complained it df1 was much better!!!)

Another change came: ww2 airplanes were added. Nothing else. No other change whatsoever. Surprise: people complained df1 was better and asked for some changes.

Another version came and those requested changes were added. Surprise: people complained that df1 was better...

Get my point?

Dogfight Elite has been the progression of df1, if it wasn't because I can't update the same package on the store, Dogfight Elite would be df1 right this moment! So it is not a different game. Nothing has changed drastically.

Tell me otherwise, what has changed so much on Elite compared to df1? Don't tell me that the timer (which btw was added just 2 weeks ago) is the one responsible for not moving to Elite. Nor is the bullet drop, it was also added after months to Elite! And people was not moving before either.

The main different is just one: people. Nothing else. Df1 has more players and Elite does not, for the simple fact that the millions of players of df1 do not pay anything whatsoever (which causes the game to go bankrupt!) I give Dogfight Elite for free and trust me, we'll have the game flooded with new players. It has absolutely nothing to do with a better or a worse game. It's a matter of wanting to play free for millions of players on df1. And I'm going to prove it to you this week. Just check the announcement post soon.

it's not lag or bullet drop that is inconsistent.... it's that bullets go between wings. On df1 the airplane hit area was a box, a huge box surrounding the airplane. That's why on head to head combat it was so easy to hit!

On Elite the hit area is more real: each wing has one bounding box, not one box covering the whole airplane with no spaces in between.

So in head to head, your bullets may well go in between the wings. That did not happen on df1, where you could hit an airplane from 5 miles away, blind, while drinking beer, with a laser shot.

Totally different game with totally different feel.

Tanks that can't move very well, don't stop, trajectory totally different.

Can't Turnfight anymore.

Bullet drop

Threat of being on a seperate server being as I'm a windows player.

No more kills for hitting the pilot in the chute.

KDR is different. (And I've already mentioned how I dislike that one)

And now a timer because nobody can manage their time or pick a different game if it's a long one.


I'm subscribing to both. Have been since it came up.

Look, there's a lot of changes here that I just do not recall anybody asking for. Other than the bullet drop debate awhile back. That's what upsets me the most. I follow the forum regularly too, so don't tell me I missed something.

This is how I look at it. I'm in my 40s. DF1 was such a simple game to pick up and play. That's what appealed to the majority of the older players. It's really the only video game I play. Elite would be fine if it was exactly the same. Go ahead and add new planes, that's totally cool. But for me, nothing feels the same.

You want this game to succeed? Make it the same as DF1 AND get rid of the freeloading players playing for free. I want you to succeed Zup, I sincerely do. But getting pissed off because you don't like feedback that you asked for ain't working. This is my feedback.

It's real simple. People will pay to play a great game. Screw the freeloaders, they just bring lag with them anyways. Again, best of luck with this and I know you're working hard on it.

well you say you do requests can you remove it lol

zuperman wrote: it's not lag or bullet drop that is inconsistent.... it's that bullets go between wings. On df1 the airplane hit area was a box, a huge box surrounding the airplane. That's why on head to head combat it was so easy to hit!

On Elite the hit area is more real: each wing has one bounding box, not one box covering the whole airplane with no spaces in between.

So in head to head, your bullets may well go in between the wings. That did not happen on df1, where you could hit an airplane from 5 miles away, blind, while drinking beer, with a laser shot.

zuperman wrote: it's not lag or bullet drop that is inconsistent.... it's that bullets go between wings. On df1 the airplane hit area was a box, a huge box surrounding the airplane. That's why on head to head combat it was so easy to hit!

On Elite the hit area is more real: each wing has one bounding box, not one box covering the whole airplane with no spaces in between.

So in head to head, your bullets may well go in between the wings. That did not happen on df1, where you could hit an airplane from 5 miles away, blind, while drinking beer, with a laser shot.

Hey now you're talking! My kinda game! Especially the beer part...

Oh and it's not like I don't ask. I have over 100 accounts already created on df1 which I go and see how people behave without knowing I'm around. I also see the chat logs. And no, the reason people do not play Elite is not for what you say. Those may be a reason for old players, but 75% of players on any given day on Df1 are new. They have never ever ever played the game before. They have nothing to compare it against. The only reason they don't update to Elite is because: 1, it's not free. 2, old players are saying Elite is not worth it.

It's like that old tale of the monkey getting hit when trying to catch a banana... and then new monkeys come in and ask why they get hit... oh, because it's what everyone is doing/saying. So new players (75% on any given day) are given the explanation not to upgrade.

Again, this will be solved in an instant. I've just set the game free, then when Elite has enough players that do not know anything at all about df1... you'll see.

[*M]Comet wrote: Totally different game with totally different feel.

blah blah blah etc etc ... (trimming it)

Look, there's a lot of changes here that I just do not recall anybody asking for. Other than the bullet drop debate awhile back. That's what upsets me the most. I follow the forum regularly too, so don't tell me I missed something.

<sip>

You want this game to succeed? Make it the same as DF1 AND get rid of the freeloading players playing for free. I want you to succeed Zup, I sincerely do. But getting pissed off because you don't like feedback that you asked for ain't working. This is my feedback.

First, all those things you mentioned that makes the game worse ere not there until at least hmmm april? that's 4 months of not having those at all, meaning, working the same than df1. Did you say you liked it better than df1? I can't recall. For sure I do recall people asking for those changes I added.

Secondly... it's not that I don't like the feedback. It's that I'm actually adding requested stuff. You see, because you don't see it on the forum it does not mean anything! Df1 has over 10 million registered players. The forum, has less than 1000 active people. Yes, active, meaning people that come here and post and give their opinion. You know I get over 1000 emails per day from different players that never have come to the forum? So there is a huge amount of feedback and requests that I get every day that are never posted here. When people say "the minority asked for this and you added it", it translates to: you don't see my inbox.

The amount of people that requested bullet drop, ww2 airplanes, more accurate shooting (not allowing to shoot between the wings), more reasonable kills because the old timers would destroy the new comers and perpetuate their rank, new tactics because people hate head-to-head combat, and so on... it's huge! Literally, I got complain about most of that stuff on a day to day basis. So I did add those to Elite (months after the first betas!). Now, if you tell me that adding those requests have damaged the game and that's the reason people don't play... I don't go by rumors, I check facts. When Elite was an exact copy of df1... it got 70 people registered. Adding those requested changes... it grew to over 200. Nowadays, it has over 3000 registered, growing the fastest since I added the timer!

Those are facts. Problem? When the new players come to play, everyone is on chat saying: I'm on df1, this one sucks. So new players ask... what's df1? oh, free? let me try... so the result is a perpetuity of players on df1.

So yeah, some changes some people do not like. I can't make everyone happy. But the reason people is not on Elite is NOT any of those reasons and I can prove it easily. I can literally replace Elite with df1 version and I bet my dog, my head and my unborn children that people will stay on df1 still. I have no doubt whatsoever about it. As long as it stays free.

Now switch df1 to pay... and most (yeah, not all) will pick Elite. And it's not me that i'm stubborn. Trust me, if the solution to things is what you are saying: do not change jack shit from df1. I would be the happiest man on earth. hey, I would focus on something else instead of adding requests! The truth is very different from what you have portrayed.

zuperman wrote:

[*M]Comet wrote: Totally different game with totally different feel.

blah blah blah etc etc ... (trimming it)

Look, there's a lot of changes here that I just do not recall anybody asking for. Other than the bullet drop debate awhile back. That's what upsets me the most. I follow the forum regularly too, so don't tell me I missed something.

<sip>

You want this game to succeed? Make it the same as DF1 AND get rid of the freeloading players playing for free. I want you to succeed Zup, I sincerely do. But getting pissed off because you don't like feedback that you asked for ain't working. This is my feedback.

First, all those things you mentioned that makes the game worse ere not there until at least hmmm april? that's 4 months of not having those at all, meaning, working the same than df1. Did you say you liked it better than df1? I can't recall. For sure I do recall people asking for those changes I added.

Secondly... it's not that I don't like the feedback. It's that I'm actually adding requested stuff. You see, because you don't see it on the forum it does not mean anything! Df1 has over 10 million registered players. The forum, has less than 1000 active people. Yes, active, meaning people that come here and post and give their opinion. You know I get over 1000 emails per day from different players that never have come to the forum? So there is a huge amount of feedback and requests that I get every day that are never posted here. When people say "the minority asked for this and you added it", it translates to: you don't see my inbox.

The amount of people that requested bullet drop, ww2 airplanes, more accurate shooting (not allowing to shoot between the wings), more reasonable kills because the old timers would destroy the new comers and perpetuate their rank, new tactics because people hate head-to-head combat, and so on... it's huge! Literally, I got complain about most of that stuff on a day to day basis. So I did add those to Elite (months after the first betas!). Now, if you tell me that adding those requests have damaged the game and that's the reason people don't play... I don't go by rumors, I check facts. When Elite was an exact copy of df1... it got 70 people registered. Adding those requested changes... it grew to over 200. Nowadays, it has over 3000 registered, growing the fastest since I added the timer!

Those are facts. Problem? When the new players come to play, everyone is on chat saying: I'm on df1, this one sucks. So new players ask... what's df1? oh, free? let me try... so the result is a perpetuity of players on df1.

So yeah, some changes some people do not like. I can't make everyone happy. But the reason people is not on Elite is NOT any of those reasons and I can prove it easily. I can literally replace Elite with df1 version and I bet my dog, my head and my unborn children that people will stay on df1 still. I have no doubt whatsoever about it. As long as it stays free.

Now switch df1 to pay... and most (yeah, not all) will pick Elite. And it's not me that i'm stubborn. Trust me, if the solution to things is what you are saying: do not change jack shit from df1. I would be the happiest man on earth. hey, I would focus on something else instead of adding requests! The truth is very different from what you have portrayed.

Well, change your email address and only listen to us guys on the forum?

I have only emailed you once...we both know why...wink wink.

I don't email with requests because I figure you're busy with the game. So I put my stuff on the forum.

I can't argue with your facts. Obviously I don't have access to the same info you do. I can only tell you what I see from my side. And I'm always going to try to be honest. That's all I can do. Not sure about the one where elite was the same until April...if you say so.

The one thing I do like is that you're accessible. Big games probably don't have that.

Like I said, I'm paying for both right now. And I know you're still working on it. So we'll see what happens I guess.

You may want to enable world chat on df1 to get news out that elite is free also give ff1 forum access

zuperman wrote: well, I would agree with you if I had created a completely different game. But here is the situation. Dogfight Elite version 1, was EXACTLY df1. No changes, whatsoever, not even one.

Surprise: people complained that df1 was much better and the people that realized it was the same game, complained why it was the same game. (but pay attention to those that complained it df1 was much better!!!)

Another change came: ww2 airplanes were added. Nothing else. No other change whatsoever. Surprise: people complained df1 was better and asked for some changes.

Another version came and those requested changes were added. Surprise: people complained that df1 was better...

Get my point?

Dogfight Elite has been the progression of df1, if it wasn't because I can't update the same package on the store, Dogfight Elite would be df1 right this moment! So it is not a different game. Nothing has changed drastically.

Tell me otherwise, what has changed so much on Elite compared to df1? Don't tell me that the timer (which btw was added just 2 weeks ago) is the one responsible for not moving to Elite. Nor is the bullet drop, it was also added after months to Elite! And people was not moving before either.

The main different is just one: people. Nothing else. Df1 has more players and Elite does not, for the simple fact that the millions of players of df1 do not pay anything whatsoever (which causes the game to go bankrupt! I don't call that "success") I give Dogfight Elite for free and trust me, we'll have the game flooded with new players. It has absolutely nothing to do with a better or a worse game. It's a matter of wanting to play free for millions of players on df1. And I'm going to prove it to you this week. Just check the announcement post soon.

Sorry Zup but I beg to differ , elite was not exactly the same as DF1 from day one people were complaining about not being able to see the enemy plane , that is what stopped me from playing elite as much , it is a bit better now but the real reason I only rarely play elite is because I enjoy DF1 more , nothing more nothing less. I hope you get it right and elite becomes more popular .

[M]Pagan wrote:

zuperman wrote: well, I would agree with you if I had created a completely different game. But here is the situation. Dogfight Elite version 1, was EXACTLY df1. No changes, whatsoever, not even one.

Surprise: people complained that df1 was much better and the people that realized it was the same game, complained why it was the same game. (but pay attention to those that complained it df1 was much better!!!)

Another change came: ww2 airplanes were added. Nothing else. No other change whatsoever. Surprise: people complained df1 was better and asked for some changes.

Another version came and those requested changes were added. Surprise: people complained that df1 was better...

Get my point?

Dogfight Elite has been the progression of df1, if it wasn't because I can't update the same package on the store, Dogfight Elite would be df1 right this moment! So it is not a different game. Nothing has changed drastically.

Tell me otherwise, what has changed so much on Elite compared to df1? Don't tell me that the timer (which btw was added just 2 weeks ago) is the one responsible for not moving to Elite. Nor is the bullet drop, it was also added after months to Elite! And people was not moving before either.

The main different is just one: people. Nothing else. Df1 has more players and Elite does not, for the simple fact that the millions of players of df1 do not pay anything whatsoever (which causes the game to go bankrupt! I don't call that "success") I give Dogfight Elite for free and trust me, we'll have the game flooded with new players. It has absolutely nothing to do with a better or a worse game. It's a matter of wanting to play free for millions of players on df1. And I'm going to prove it to you this week. Just check the announcement post soon.

Sorry Zup but I beg to differ , elite was not exactly the same as DF1 from day one people were complaining about not being able to see the enemy plane , that is what stopped me from playing elite as much , it is a bit better now but the real reason I only rarely play elite is because I enjoy DF1 more , nothing more nothing less. I hope you get it right and elite becomes more popular .

You may differ, but that was not the main complain certainly. Also it was the same, the problem is that on df1 you would see the crappy water with low quality terrain. So the airplane was easily distinguish. But on Elite the slow version graphics were removed, so if you played df1 on an iPhone 6 for instance, and elite on the same phone, you would see no difference. But if you played it on an slow device, df1 would show no trees, crappy water, crappy terrain... and airplanes were easier to spot. So it depended on each phone. Again, there were about 10 complains about that on the first few versions (nothing to block an upgrade from thousands of users) and it was addressed with the target box (which btw had been requested multiple times since df1).

So yes, you can pinpoint one particular instance of something here and there, or even a dozen instances of here and there... that doesn't explain the millions of people not moving. What explains it is: it's not free.

And of course, Elite will be more and more and more different from df1 as time progresses. But saying on version 23 that the reason people didn't upgrade was because of something introduced on version 19... doesn't explain the previous 19 versions. I do see the stats and what provokes people to move over or not. And honestly, it has absolutely nothing to do with the game. Only two factors: price and amount of people playing.

Only a few hours with the game set to free, I've just got a notification: Daily New Users is up by 507.1%!

zuperman wrote: it's not lag or bullet drop that is inconsistent.... it's that bullets go between wings. On df1 the airplane hit area was a box, a huge box surrounding the airplane. That's why on head to head combat it was so easy to hit!

On Elite the hit area is more real: each wing has one bounding box, not one box covering the whole airplane with no spaces in between.

So in head to head, your bullets may well go in between the wings. That did not happen on df1, where you could hit an airplane from 5 miles away, blind, while drinking beer, with a laser shot.

Can you make some kind of award for shooting between the wings, because I'm really, REALLY, good at it!

What I've been giving some thought is the possibility of adding back the big box around the airplane, so it doesn't go between the wings. That will help people "feel" that they hit where they shoot (although it will be not true, that's why it wasn't so easy to hit head no head during real combat). But then I will have the other horde of people complaining that everyone is head on head...

zuperman wrote: it's not lag or bullet drop that is inconsistent.... it's that bullets go between wings. On df1 the airplane hit area was a box, a huge box surrounding the airplane. That's why on head to head combat it was so easy to hit!

On Elite the hit area is more real: each wing has one bounding box, not one box covering the whole airplane with no spaces in between.

So in head to head, your bullets may well go in between the wings. That did not happen on df1, where you could hit an airplane from 5 miles away, blind, while drinking beer, with a laser shot.

Thats why I play df1, so i can have fun while drinking a beer....sounds good to me......the only thing you had to improve was the lag.

zuperman wrote: What I've been giving some thought is the possibility of adding back the big box around the airplane, so it doesn't go between the wings. That will help people "feel" that they hit where they shoot (although it will be not true, that's why it wasn't so easy to hit head no head during real combat). But then I will have the other horde of people complaining that everyone is head on head...

Sounds like a good idea , but aren't most kills done head to head anyway?
If someone is shooting at me I will turn to face them ( cos that's the only way I can shoot them) therefore making nearly all engagements head to head.

zuperman wrote: What I've been giving some thought is the possibility of adding back the big box around the airplane, so it doesn't go between the wings. That will help people "feel" that they hit where they shoot (although it will be not true, that's why it wasn't so easy to hit head no head during real combat). But then I will have the other horde of people complaining that everyone is head on head...

Zup,


Well that would be unfortunate. Oh well.

I suppose it's kind of like the KDR thing: If you make it so the game only counts one death per run, but you can get a kill for each plane and chute people are going to feel better about their higher KDRs. The way it is in elite must seem very frustrating to many people.

It's probably the same for the head on shooters with the big hit zones. It will have a big influence on how the game is going to be played. Simple shooter vs. strategic maneuvering. Who is your intended audience?

Oh, I love strategy. But just read the posts in the forum complaining about the bullet drop (in reality they complain about the wings hit area, they just think their aim suck because of the bullet drop but that's not the case).

I joked before you could hit anyone from miles holding a beer and people clapping that's what they want...

so it's up to you to decide what you want. I couldn't care less. The reason Elite is the way it is is because people begged for strategy but if most are still on Df1 bitching how hard Elite is... who knows.

Personally the one thing I like about Elite is the bullet drop, once I got used to it. I got my tail shot off left and right in those early games before some kind soul in game (YEP! I remember who) offered some advice. Still took a bit to learn, but I got it down.

Just my 2 cents. Thanks!

zuperman wrote: Oh, I love strategy. But just read the posts in the forum complaining about the bullet drop (in reality they complain about the wings hit area, they just think their aim suck because of the bullet drop but that's not the case).

I joked before you could hit anyone from miles holding a beer and people clapping that's what they want...

so it's up to you to decide what you want. I couldn't care less. The reason Elite is the way it is is because people begged for strategy but if most are still on Df1 bitching how hard Elite is... who knows.

Hey, WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEER?

I love the shorter ranged guns with bullet drop and the space between the wings. read up on WWI aerial combat and you will see there was either lots of missing or close range shooting.. it was the nature of the beast!

Keep the game moving forward and leave the same 20 or so whiny chumps in the dust.

zuperman wrote: Oh, I love strategy. But just read the posts in the forum complaining about the bullet drop (in reality they complain about the wings hit area, they just think their aim suck because of the bullet drop but that's not the case).

I joked before you could hit anyone from miles holding a beer and people clapping that's what they want...

so it's up to you to decide what you want. I couldn't care less. The reason Elite is the way it is is because people begged for strategy but if most are still on Df1 bitching how hard Elite is... who knows.

People bitching about how hard Elite is freaking ridiculous. Nearly everyone who has stayed in the original game past level 10 has talked about how hard the game was when they started yet they also site the challenge as why they wanted to stick to it and improved. What's the deal now? They feel that they have paid their dues and deserve to casually blast noobs?

If they don't want challenge why are they here? Is it just for the social media aspect? Echoboom/facebook?

El df1,cada vez peor,yo soy veterano y puedo
decir que nada que ver con el élite,vuelvo a.decir muchos no juegan,por que mueren una y
otra vez,los gráficos del élite son mejores y es el juego que puede crecer,la noche en el df1 es penosa,pero Joaquín tiene razón,muchos
allí no pagan,y muchos en élite no les gusta la caída de bala,por eso no se pasan del 1 al 2,por que no les gusta caer continuamente.
En élite ahí nuevos aviones,un poco más de velocidad y más balas vendría genial,y seria algo que no se podría hacer en DF1.así seria algo que sólo se podría hacer en élite,más velocidad y más balas en los aviones así los
pilotaria todo el mundo.claro que le faltan
cosas,más. sensibilidad en los aviones por ejemplo,más alcance del tanque y que pudiese frenar.en cuanto al temporizador con 40 o 45 más que de sobra,y las nubes subirlas un poquito más,siempre he dicho que un gran acierto seria mover la montaña a un lado la alta.Joaquín creo que jugarán más cuando vean más alicientes,y cuando bloquees el otro.
En aquel se hacen más. De. 100 muertes habitualmente y en este no y eso frena a muchos.Pero los juegos largos son soporífero
además en élite,destruyes 3 hangares y ganas
esta genial no tienes que esperar a destruirlos todos,y otros muchas cosas interesantes que tiene.(La gente debería jugar y no quejarse tanto,ya que es el juego que va a continuar,guste más o menos,y lo que hay que
hacer es adaptarse a el y mirar el lado
pósito.es lo que yo pienso.Me fastidia no poder pagar,yo hera abonado al élite, pero por circunstancias ahora no puedo,estoy pasando una mala racha,espero pronto poder pagarlo de nuevo.un saludo

[NLR] McFate wrote:

zuperman wrote: Oh, I love strategy. But just read the posts in the forum complaining about the bullet drop (in reality they complain about the wings hit area, they just think their aim suck because of the bullet drop but that's not the case).

I joked before you could hit anyone from miles holding a beer and people clapping that's what they want...

so it's up to you to decide what you want. I couldn't care less. The reason Elite is the way it is is because people begged for strategy but if most are still on Df1 bitching how hard Elite is... who knows.

People bitching about how hard Elite is freaking ridiculous. Nearly everyone who has stayed in the original game past level 10 has talked about how hard the game was when they started yet they also site the challenge as why they wanted to stick to it and improved. What's the deal now? They feel that they have paid their dues and deserve to casually blast noobs?

If they don't want challenge why are they here? Is it just for the social media aspect? Echoboom/facebook?

Please explain why you refer to some comments as "bitching" and why yours would be gospel.

Why is it that you fail to understand that not everyone sees things your way? I'm quite fine with your opinions and major brown nosing skills, (and by all means, kiss ass to your heart's content), but anyone not agreeing with the McSavior is a bitcher, a complainer in your opinion, isn't that accurate?

You keep shoving your opinions down everyone's throat, and why? It's because after all, the great McCabbageroll Head is always right. Those who disagree are just complaining shallow minded people who lack the foresight that you have. You're just so McAwesome!

I may totally disagree with you, and I do by the way, but I ain't shoving crap down everyone's throat like you do. You don't agree with me, it's totally cool. Each to their own.

Get it through that ultra superior skull of yours, everyone has a right to voice an opinion about the game. And lots have, yet none of them refer to the people who disagree with them as bitchers and complainers. That's what's actually "freaking rediculous".

Comet,

"Bitching" was Zup's choice of word not mine. Fu.


Why don't you address issues instead of hanging on my every word? Just gotta troll?