Well the way it is set up now it should.

I can hear so many of you already saying this is a great tactical move. I say it's a cop out.

So many players are not trying to bomb the hangers or carrier unless they almost sure that they will complete the run. Instead they are stopping short allowing themselves to be killed either before the hill in a btb game or in a perfect spot to shell the carrier in a btc game. It's even worse when players are doing this by dropping their bombs before hand only to get to these points.

Solution...remove the option to tank once the chute lands. Instead there should be a point on the map, maybe at the half way mark, where one can ditch their plane and get into a tank. At least then they have to earn their way over to enemy base. That is just one idea. I am sure we all can think of a million other ways but let's not post them. Nothing will be changed in DF. As we all know Zup stopped making any changes here. Maybe it will be a good idea for a change in Elite. So until that time comes let's hold off on those ideas.

So why am I posting this? I really don't know other than saying I think the choices that players are using in DF are getting lamer and lamer. Even worse is that these moves, not only this one that I mention but so many others as well, are being done by very good players. Then the lower ranks see this and do it too. Next thing you know it gets out of hand and that is where DF is right now.

Players have become so set on the mission of winning the game or performing well in games that they resort to any and all available tactics. Sure some of us will argue that the mission is to win at any cost. I say it stinks and takes away from the game itself. There are so many other ways to use tactics without choosing the easy way out. That's just me though. I enjoy playing a hard fought battle where the better player wins and not the more devious one.

It's just my thought and opinion on the matter. All of you can disagree with what I say and that is fine. Yesss I said it's fine that you may think your way is the right way. We all have our different opinions here. Heck even glitchers and spawn killers think their way is the right way but who I am to argue that too, right?

I say true to the fact that some do in gact lurk around tanking territory when they know they will not mak3 it . However some of us do try even after we run out of ammo to infact still make the base but get shot and are in tank area. So to that i sy the tank should be an option. Without the tank games would be a stale mate. Tank is a gd ootion but the cowards are the ones who have to try to rest easy at night. I can only partially agree.

Fully agree w reason but removing tank will hurt the game.

I think ZUP should ad a tank game mode Baca use since so many people are using the tank I forgot what the name of this game is it Renault simulator

BULLET [M]isfit wrote: I say true to the fact that some do in gact lurk around tanking territory when they know they will not mak3 it . However some of us do try even after we run out of ammo to infact still make the base but get shot and are in tank area. So to that i sy the tank should be an option. Without the tank games would be a stale mate. Tank is a gd ootion but the cowards are the ones who have to try to rest easy at night. I can only partially agree.

Fully agree w reason but removing tank will hurt the game.

Point very well taken and I agree that the tank is a big part of the game. Plus it's fun as heck being in one. It's all cool when one is shot down fairly and tanks no matter where they end up.

It's just those players that leave themselves purposely a stones throw away from let's say the carrier that it's lame. Like that is so hard to do. Shell the carrier from that close.

I love the tank and would never want it to disappear from the game. I would just like to see a better solution on how a player can get a tank that would rid this cop out way from the game. Players will not hold back from doing this so it would be a good idea to think of a better way. I am sure we can come up with many solutions that would be great where being in a tank will still play a big part in shelling the hangers/carrier.

111TH|GOLDENEAGLE wrote: I think ZUP should ad a tank game mode Baca use since so many people are using the tank I forgot what the name of this game is it Renault simulator

I personally don't think tanks are being used excessively. It's just how some players are relying on getting into tanks rather than trying to complete a bomb run that I have a problem with it. Having tanks in the game together with planes is awesome. I always love shelling down a plane. Heck it's even more fun when I am in my plane and I see someone take down a plane in front of me. I always get a good laugh seeing some great kills like that.

I think we should just take yours away Gunzzz.

Yes that is awesome when that happens but since dfe is coming with ww2 I think there should be more tanks or armored vehicles like halftracks heavy tanks German anti air tanks sherman firefly and more because the firefly can light them up but idk if I got the name right

This is a good thread. I am kind of on the fence on this issue. I have always love d getting in the tank and making an impossible shot on another plane. The ones where the pilot is like, where the heck did that shell come from. As for roaming the hill waiting to get shot down. I will do this after I make a successful bomb run. As I only have capacity to carry one bomb I feel it is a good tactic to fly slowly away trying to pull the enemy into pursuit and bring me down. By doing this i am taking the heat off Pilots arriving with there payloads. And if I get shot I will tank and try to shell hangars are pilots chuting. I most definitely do not try to get brought down on first attempt to deliver bombs. I try to make it to base to bomb first. I think the tank should stay. As pilots we need to recognize and get better at taking out a tank shelling the air field from the hill. The game is evolving and we must adapt. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooo

DD | Cypher7 wrote: This is a good thread. I am kind of on the fence on this issue. I have always love d getting in the tank and making an impossible shot on another plane. The ones where the pilot is like, where the heck did that shell come from. As for roaming the hill waiting to get shot down. I will do this after I make a successful bomb run. As I only have capacity to carry one bomb I feel it is a good tactic to fly slowly away trying to pull the enemy into pursuit and bring me down. By doing this i am taking the heat off Pilots arriving with there payloads. And if I get shot I will tank and try to shell hangars are pilots chuting. I most definitely do not try to get brought down on first attempt to deliver bombs. I try to make it to base to bomb first. I think the tank should stay. As pilots we need to recognize and get better at taking out a tank shelling the air field from the hill. The game is evolving and we must adapt. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooo

Yeah...I love a great tank shot. Just the other night I passed a tank in my plane and just made it over the German side hill. I got ready to start shooting at the spawning planes and then, bammm, I literally jumped and my heart started pounding. It scared the living poop out of me. A tank nailed me with an awesome shot. Man I love those.

There's really not much tactic involved in letting yourself get shot down at a good spot to tank. It's just taking advantage of the situation. The reds are forced to shoot the planes down because if they don't then the plane will turn around and fire upon them. If the defending planes shoot down the plane then they give the other team a good place to tank.

I'm not a fan of that option being available. Well not in that way at least.

W.D. Gaster wrote: I can see you now, sitting in your recliner, shoving cheese puffs into your face. You've been sweating in this chair for 3 hours, you probably couldn't pry yourself from the cushions if your house started on fire. "I'm an honorable player," you sob gently, caressing the picture of the wife who left you. "Why couldn't you see the honor in me?"

You've been flying headfirst into a virtual brick wall for the last indefinite period of time. You can't remember how long it's been, all the hours have been blending together as your neckbeard grows thicker. Fly straight, put a dozen bullets into 4 enemies, get shot, rinse and repeat.

You're happy that you don't have to think too much. You were probably dropped on your head at least a dozen times by your parents, who were probably dropped by their parents and think it's a perfectly normal thing to do. You just continue, tilting your tablet around like a homeless person trying to shake the last crumbs out of a takeout box he stole from somebody leaving a restaurant. You probably paid for the tablet with welfare to boot. That or your dad's insurance policy has paved the way for you to live a peaceful life.

Then something happens. After you shoot down some pilot, probably from NLR, you realize that they spawned a tank behind you. They've landed near the carrier and are shelling your carrier into oblivion.

"NO FAIR" you shriek, spewing cheese dust onto your screen. You then panic, licking the dust and spit back off of the touchpad. Can't let any of the precious cheesy nectar of life go to waste.

And suddenly, it's over. Your carrier just... gone. You sit in shocked silence.

"But... but..." tears fill your eyes. 137 kills. That's it? No way. How? But you'd played so hard, so... honorably! It's not fair. It's. Not. Fair. IT'S. NOT. FAIR!!!

You shriek aloud, slamming your iPad to the ground. Dust flies from underneath it, as you haven't vacuumed your pink carpet since the Nixon administration.

Finally you compose yourself. You stretch over, ignoring the popping noises emanating dangerously from your back, and open up the forum. "They used tactics. That's just wrong. WRONG. WRONG."

You manage to thumb-type a remarkably legible piece. After all, you've lived on your couch the last 23 years, you know a thing or two about writing. "I think it's a cop-out," you explain, tears of pain streaming down your face.

You know that you've got an equally indignant community to back you up. You're grateful nobody will give you the message you probably deserve to hear:

"Get over it."

I want to read the book when it comes out!

Gunzz I hear what you're saying, I try not to shoot those guys cause they suck, chosen won comes to mind, I try to lure them away then get them in a turn fight.

First, let’s acknowledge a couple points where Dogfight is heavy on game, and light on realistic simulation.

The first flattop aircraft carrier wasn’t commissioned until 1922, 4 years after the end of WWI. Even if such a massive vessel was somehow secretly rushed into service in the last days of the war . . . it wouldn’t be ambling around a landlocked body of water within two miles of an enemy airfield. It’s pretty darned unrealistic to have WWI planes and tanks taking on aircraft carriers.

You would also be hard pressed to find verifiable accounts of WWI aircraft tangling with tanks. Aircraft and weaponry hadn’t even started to be effective enough against tanks to make any meaningful impact during WWII, let alone WWI. The thought of a biplane taking out a tank on a strafing run with its .303 Vickers is preposterous. It’s at least as unbelievable as taking out a biplane with four flat shots from your Vickers from a half mile or more away. Point being, we shouldn’t even be able to touch a tank with our WWI era planes.

As much fun as they are, it would be more realistic to lose the tanks, and put some AI controlled light AA guns around the air bases. Maybe give us the option to either retry or man an AA position back at our base when we chute in. I wonder how long it would be before some troll started team killing at the spawn point with the AA guns.

If you haven’t spent much time in Elite yet, the tank will prove an even more effective tool for one reason; trees, an actual forest worth of trees. If you don’t like dealing with tanks or tank abuse now, wait until you have to dig them out of the cover of the forest.

PS - Gaster, why are you trying to kill me?!? A man my age shouldn't laugh that hard while trying not to shoot coffee out his nose!

W.D. Gaster wrote: I can see you now, sitting in your recliner, shoving cheese puffs into your face. You've been sweating in this chair for 3 hours, you probably couldn't pry yourself from the cushions if your house started on fire. "I'm an honorable player," you sob gently, caressing the picture of the wife who left you. "Why couldn't you see the honor in me?"

You've been flying headfirst into a virtual brick wall for the last indefinite period of time. You can't remember how long it's been, all the hours have been blending together as your neckbeard grows thicker. Fly straight, put a dozen bullets into 4 enemies, get shot, rinse and repeat.

You're happy that you don't have to think too much. You were probably dropped on your head at least a dozen times by your parents, who were probably dropped by their parents and think it's a perfectly normal thing to do. You just continue, tilting your tablet around like a homeless person trying to shake the last crumbs out of a takeout box he stole from somebody leaving a restaurant. You probably paid for the tablet with welfare to boot. That or your dad's insurance policy has paved the way for you to live a peaceful life.

Then something happens. After you shoot down some pilot, probably from NLR, you realize that they spawned a tank behind you. They've landed near the carrier and are shelling your carrier into oblivion.

"NO FAIR" you shriek, spewing cheese dust onto your screen. You then panic, licking the dust and spit back off of the touchpad. Can't let any of the precious cheesy nectar of life go to waste.

And suddenly, it's over. Your carrier just... gone. You sit in shocked silence.

"But... but..." tears fill your eyes. 137 kills. That's it? No way. How? But you'd played so hard, so... honorably! It's not fair. It's. Not. Fair. IT'S. NOT. FAIR!!!

You shriek aloud, slamming your iPad to the ground. Dust flies from underneath it, as you haven't vacuumed your pink carpet since the Nixon administration.

Finally you compose yourself. You stretch over, ignoring the popping noises emanating dangerously from your back, and open up the forum. "They used tactics. That's just wrong. WRONG. WRONG."

You manage to thumb-type a remarkably legible piece. After all, you've lived on your couch the last 23 years, you know a thing or two about writing. "I think it's a cop-out," you explain, tears of pain streaming down your face.

You know that you've got an equally indignant community to back you up. You're grateful nobody will give you the message you probably deserve to hear:

"Get over it."

Wow...to put that much thought into it when all you could have done was state whether you agreed with my thoughts or not. Glad to see you go out of your way to join the "tool club of DF".

Too bad you got it all wrong. I deal with any and every type of player just fine in a game. Personally I don't see this as a tactical move as many other plays in the game. There are so many ways that DF could be a better game and I was addressing it. Talk about get over it. And get over yourself while you're at it.

So another dork gets added to the long list that already exists here. Players that try to make themselves look good by trying to insult others. It's usually the players that use the word "tactic" as a way of covering up their actions.

No sweat. Just as I deal with trash in games I deal with it here on forum. It's just lame that the place is starting to stink with guys like you.

Just look at your cast of supporters that thanked you. Need I say more.

W.D. Gaster wrote: I can see you now, sitting in your recliner, shoving cheese puffs into your face. You've been sweating in this chair for 3 hours, you probably couldn't pry yourself from the cushions if your house started on fire. "I'm an honorable player," you sob gently, caressing the picture of the wife who left you. "Why couldn't you see the honor in me?"

You've been flying headfirst into a virtual brick wall for the last indefinite period of time. You can't remember how long it's been, all the hours have been blending together as your neckbeard grows thicker. Fly straight, put a dozen bullets into 4 enemies, get shot, rinse and repeat.

You're happy that you don't have to think too much. You were probably dropped on your head at least a dozen times by your parents, who were probably dropped by their parents and think it's a perfectly normal thing to do. You just continue, tilting your tablet around like a homeless person trying to shake the last crumbs out of a takeout box he stole from somebody leaving a restaurant. You probably paid for the tablet with welfare to boot. That or your dad's insurance policy has paved the way for you to live a peaceful life.

Then something happens. After you shoot down some pilot, probably from NLR, you realize that they spawned a tank behind you. They've landed near the carrier and are shelling your carrier into oblivion.

"NO FAIR" you shriek, spewing cheese dust onto your screen. You then panic, licking the dust and spit back off of the touchpad. Can't let any of the precious cheesy nectar of life go to waste.

And suddenly, it's over. Your carrier just... gone. You sit in shocked silence.

"But... but..." tears fill your eyes. 137 kills. That's it? No way. How? But you'd played so hard, so... honorably! It's not fair. It's. Not. Fair. IT'S. NOT. FAIR!!!

You shriek aloud, slamming your iPad to the ground. Dust flies from underneath it, as you haven't vacuumed your pink carpet since the Nixon administration.

Finally you compose yourself. You stretch over, ignoring the popping noises emanating dangerously from your back, and open up the forum. "They used tactics. That's just wrong. WRONG. WRONG."

You manage to thumb-type a remarkably legible piece. After all, you've lived on your couch the last 23 years, you know a thing or two about writing. "I think it's a cop-out," you explain, tears of pain streaming down your face.

You know that you've got an equally indignant community to back you up. You're grateful nobody will give you the message you probably deserve to hear:

"Get over it."

And toolbag. Where the heck do you get off bringing up any family members into a conversation like this. Are you that pathetic to try and make yourself look cool. You have no clue about anything that may have gone on with a family member. Are you out of your skull?

Im so Glad we have you to be our moral compass. What would we do without you? I want to be just like you when I grow up.


If we're all such trash, and you sit perched so high above us all, why not just leave? Im sure we would manage somehow. We just don't deserve you.

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GHOSTRIDER1 wrote: Im so Glad we have you to be our moral compass. What would we do without you? I want to be just like you when I grow up.


If we're all such trash, and you sit perched so high above us all, why not just leave? Im sure we would manage somehow. We just don't deserve you.

Hey...I am no better than ANYONE else. Trust me on that.

It's the same trash from the same players again and again. They just can't talk about the topic without throwing out insults. Yeah then of course I will have my share to throw out. Not really suprised you popped into the scene.

Can't wait for Mr Mc's remarks. Always a pleasure with that one.

Please don't ask Zup to ban tanks or to make any new rules about where or when you can get in a tank.

GHOSTRIDER1 wrote: Im so Glad we have you to be our moral compass. What would we do without you? I want to be just like you when I grow up.


If we're all such trash, and you sit perched so high above us all, why not just leave? Im sure we would manage somehow. We just don't deserve you.

I would like to say that you are right about something. Your comment about "why not just leave?"

The whole moral talk your dishing out here? Well that's just a given. Look man, I am a certain way. I do not visit others' threads to insult them. I don't find excuses to play certain ways in games. If that makes me morally better than anyone else, well that's not for me to decide. You all can be the judge of that.

Just as I wouldn't want to be around trash in my life I sure as heck don't care for the trash that some and usually the same players dish out here.

[NLR] McFate wrote: Please don't ask Zup to ban tanks or to make any new rules about where or when you can get in a tank.

Did I? Did you read my post?

Yes I did mention that there may be a better way to use a tank. I also mentioned that one day if the topic does come about that maybe it could be addressed but for now to hold off on any ideas.

Don't worry. I won't be asking Zup to make any changes. Should he ever ask for our opinions for some new ideas once Elite runs smoothly, then sure, why not. We all pitched in some ideas for Elite before when he asked for our thoughts. Why not do it again if he asks that of us.

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote: Please don't ask Zup to ban tanks or to make any new rules about where or when you can get in a tank.

Did I? Did you read my post?

Yes.

There is only one person who can remove the option to tank.
Did you read the title of your thread?

i don't think this is as much of an issue with BTH missions as it is with BTC. i've been in games where all the reds get shot down and then tank, so you in your plane are faced with a full ground force of tanks all shelling the carrier. tanking out a tank with a plane is no small feat, especially without crashing or getting shot in the face. while you're trying to take out one, two or three others are blasting away at the carrier. quite frustrating, since the carriers move and change the killing ground constantly.

not sure what the solution is, but i certainly see it as problematic.

[NLR] McFate wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote: Please don't ask Zup to ban tanks or to make any new rules about where or when you can get in a tank.

Did I? Did you read my post?

Yes.

There is only one person who can remove the option to tank.
Did you read the title of your thread?

And did you read the very first line in the post?

It's my opinion of how it is set up right now. A topic to be discussed for those who would care to discuss it. I wasn't asking Zup to make any changes.

So let me get this straight. You mean I don't have the authority to make those types of changes to DF should I want? Ooohhh mannnn...what was I thinking

airwolff wrote: i don't think this is as much of an issue with BTH missions as it is with BTC. i've been in games where all the reds get shot down and then tank, so you in your plane are faced with a full ground force of tanks all shelling the carrier. tanking out a tank with a plane is no small feat, especially without crashing or getting shot in the face. while you're trying to take out one, two or three others are blasting away at the carrier. quite frustrating, since the carriers move and change the killing ground constantly.

not sure what the solution is, but i certainly see it as problematic.

You see it being problematic because you are right. It completely takes away the purpose of trying to bomb the carrier and instead shell it. A different tank option would allow for players to strive to complete the bombing run while a tank option would still be available but to be accessed a different way.

In the btb games at least there is a perimeter that denies you the tank option when a player is too close. Unfortunately it's not always effective, hence the tank glitch. Then again, maybe a simple solution to avoid players allowing themselves to be shot down right at the hill would be to expand the limits of where one can take the tank. Personally I think that even when the limit does work in its current state that it is somewhat too close to the base.

Also putting a perimeter around the playing field in the btc game when a player may take the tank may be a good idea too and avoid players from taking the tank so close to the carrier. Heck when a player gets the tank right next to the carrier it's no different than a player using the tank glitch in the btb game right next to the hangers.

See, it's a simple topic open for discussion where I welcome and appreciate your response whether you agreed with me or not. Unfortanetly there's always trash floating around here where players are unable to participate with some respect.

Just as the game has it's issues so does this forum. It would be nice if the trash got taken out.

W.D. Gaster wrote: I can see you now, sitting in your recliner, shoving cheese puffs into your face. You've been sweating in this chair for 3 hours, you probably couldn't pry yourself from the cushions if your house started on fire. "I'm an honorable player," you sob gently, caressing the picture of the wife who left you. "Why couldn't you see the honor in me?"

You've been flying headfirst into a virtual brick wall for the last indefinite period of time. You can't remember how long it's been, all the hours have been blending together as your neckbeard grows thicker. Fly straight, put a dozen bullets into 4 enemies, get shot, rinse and repeat.

You're happy that you don't have to think too much. You were probably dropped on your head at least a dozen times by your parents, who were probably dropped by their parents and think it's a perfectly normal thing to do. You just continue, tilting your tablet around like a homeless person trying to shake the last crumbs out of a takeout box he stole from somebody leaving a restaurant. You probably paid for the tablet with welfare to boot. That or your dad's insurance policy has paved the way for you to live a peaceful life.

Then something happens. After you shoot down some pilot, probably from NLR, you realize that they spawned a tank behind you. They've landed near the carrier and are shelling your carrier into oblivion.

"NO FAIR" you shriek, spewing cheese dust onto your screen. You then panic, licking the dust and spit back off of the touchpad. Can't let any of the precious cheesy nectar of life go to waste.

And suddenly, it's over. Your carrier just... gone. You sit in shocked silence.

"But... but..." tears fill your eyes. 137 kills. That's it? No way. How? But you'd played so hard, so... honorably! It's not fair. It's. Not. Fair. IT'S. NOT. FAIR!!!

You shriek aloud, slamming your iPad to the ground. Dust flies from underneath it, as you haven't vacuumed your pink carpet since the Nixon administration.

Finally you compose yourself. You stretch over, ignoring the popping noises emanating dangerously from your back, and open up the forum. "They used tactics. That's just wrong. WRONG. WRONG."

You manage to thumb-type a remarkably legible piece. After all, you've lived on your couch the last 23 years, you know a thing or two about writing. "I think it's a cop-out," you explain, tears of pain streaming down your face.

You know that you've got an equally indignant community to back you up. You're grateful nobody will give you the message you probably deserve to hear:

"Get over it."

"Cheese dust" That's Gold Gaster, Gold!

Gunzz, You know I love you man, red or blue I don't care you are always fun to have in a game. I think you have knocked me down with a tank more than any player has done it with a plane. I think when you spawn into a tank it should have a bent barrel but you would still manage to smack me in the face at 1200 ft! Don't take it so personal when someone makes smart ass comments, I sure wouldn't have wanted that post directed at me but we all (or most of us on the forum ) tend toward having a smart ass dry sense of humor and he definitely has a talent for writing that makes it sting even more.

I was in a btc game last night that was a perfect example of what you are talking about. Blues were slightly outgunned and reds kept getting in close and shell the carrier. Was in another one where Chosen won bombs the carrier and flies to the closest shore and flies back and forth along the shore all like " here I am, come and get me" when I flew toward his carrier he parrals me then tries to get me to engage.
Any way I think you are right in that people are taking unfair advantage of the tank in the game

GHOSTRIDER1 wrote: Im so Glad we have you to be our moral compass. What would we do without you? I want to be just like you when I grow up.


If we're all such trash, and you sit perched so high above us all, why not just leave? Im sure we would manage somehow. We just don't deserve you.

We must look elsewhere for our new moral compass. Turns out D93 Big Gunzzz is a degenerate just like the rest of us. Here he is just yesterday encouraging me to abuse a glitch to win.

Shame on you, shame on you.

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: Also putting a perimeter around the playing field in the btc game when a player may take the tank may be a good idea too and avoid players from taking the tank so close to the carrier. Heck when a player gets the tank right next to the carrier it's no different than a player using the tank glitch in the btb game right next to the hangers.

Best point you’ve made in this thread, Gunzzz.

Here, unfortunately, is where that seemingly irrefutable bit of logic runs off the rails. In a BtB match, when is it acceptable for a tank to roll up to within 5-30 yards of the hangars, and start blowing them away? You have a pretty comfortable margin of people who would agree that it is unfair if you somehow chute into the “no chute zone” and then take advantage of the tank glitch.

What if, however, you start from somewhere well outside that zone and just roll on up to pointblank range to takeout the hangars? The percentage of people crying foul goes down. You yourself offered that as an option in the BtC match as a way for tankers to earn their way to the enemy base. Some would agree, while others will still be crying GLITCHER!!!

What’s the difference between “sneaking “ high or wide in a plane, and doing the same thing in a tank, and ,in either case, is it wrong/weak/cheating/unfair or is it tactical/strategic?

The problem is, there is no set rule about this, it’s all subjective. The mechanism Zup put in place to attempt to solve the problem of the tank glitch is unreliable, and the definition of exactly what that glitch is has been lost in the deep gray pool of muddied water in the court of popular opinion.

You remember what they say about opinions; all us a--holes have one.

S. E. Dailey wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: Also putting a perimeter around the playing field in the btc game when a player may take the tank may be a good idea too and avoid players from taking the tank so close to the carrier. Heck when a player gets the tank right next to the carrier it's no different than a player using the tank glitch in the btb game right next to the hangers.

Best point you’ve made in this thread, Gunzzz. To

Here, unfortunately, is where that seemingly irrefutable bit of logic runs off the rails. In a BtB match, when is it acceptable for a tank to roll up to within 5-30 yards of the hangars, and start blowing them away? You have a pretty comfortable margin of people who would agree that it is unfair if you somehow chute into the “no chute zone” and then take advantage of the tank glitch.

What if, however, you start from somewhere well outside that zone and just roll on up to pointblank range to takeout the hangars? The percentage of people crying foul goes down. You yourself offered that as an option in the BtC match as a way for tankers to earn their way to the enemy base. Some would agree, while others will still be crying GLITCHER!!!

What’s the difference between “sneaking “ high or wide in a plane, and doing the same thing in a tank, and ,in either case, is it wrong/weak/cheating/unfair or is it tactical/strategic?

The problem is, there is no set rule about this, it’s all subjective. The mechanism Zup put in place to attempt to solve the problem of the tank glitch is unreliable, and the definition of exactly what that glitch is has been lost in the deep gray pool of muddied water in the court of popular opinion.

You remember what they say about opinions; all us a--holes have one.

I will have to respectfully disagree with the "...player gets the tank tight next to the carrier is no different than the player using the tank glitch in the btb game...". The btb tank glitch bothers me only because not everyone gets it. I would actually like it if there was no enemy territory and we could get tank anywhere all the time. Crazy exciting games! As far as the btc tanking subject, don't shoot down planes that are baiting you.

I too don't like the inconsistency. Not everyone gets the tank glitch. Same with Darkness, some can turn it off. Not fair.

If you don't want them tanking, either don't shoot them down or if you do make sure they don't reach the ground.