I have observed that many folks post their kills to brag.
I have observed that it happens during btb and btc games.
They are only here for personal gain.
Check their bombing record..... dismal.

They seem to be the folks that "stand up" for their squad and bitch at all others...including new pilots.

Check the records and you'll see that the braggarts don't bomb.

They rely on others to win the mission for them.

Seems cheap to me!

If you're SO DAMNED good...why don't you bomb or at least do the mission?

THEN post a pic!

Paul

Seen this, even made a test on a game last week; I did my usual bomb run with success and then stay at mid-range of map and did not cross with my bomb decided not bomb to see how the game would go. Game keep going and going no one bombing, they were just killing straight shooting over and over. One of my team mates manage to finally take a hanger out with tank and then nothing, more straight shooting. Almost 2 hours into the game I went for my bombing runs again just to see if I would be able to finish the game, as soon as I started to bomb, the complaints started. I do believe some players are just shooting away to gain points and do not care about mission at hand. But like I always say everyone plays as they want, so I just play as I see the game too and have FUN!!!!

Yes I noticed that too, many who do not even try to bomb. I was in a game the other day when we could have won with my teammate reaching the base and could have taken out the last hanger, alas he didn't have a bomb to end the mission. grrrrrrrr

I do my best to bomb and finish the mission, but I will also sacrifice myself to allow my teammates to get in behind me and bomb. Even the other day I could have kept the mission going until I reached 100 kills, but I was able to battle in and take out the final two hangers. I'd rather get the win and hangers than rank up kills.

With that all said, sometimes no matter how hard you try (unless you sneak around or above) you just battle it out in the middle, near your base (put on the defensive), or near their base because you have them on the defensive.

Not always, if you have one or two good players on both side the game will go on. If they are on one side it doesn't matter if there are 4 Moraf on other side, they will not let you bomb their hangars till someone brilliantly sneak and bomb. But in that case people will be complaining about real sneakers whereas if there is even game sneaker need more patience and Tactics to bomb.

I've noticed this trend for a while as well. With almost everybody who has come in within the past year dropping their bombs and just fighting. If you get a game, with a lot of old-school players it's nice to focus on the bombing and get some kills along the way. Sadly, I don't know if anybody else is experiencing this, but because of all this my bomb and numbers have dropped significantly over the last year.

Ill add my argument, and photographic evidence.
Sometimes players do pad stats...they drop and refuse to bomb....but those that stay in game for a while, the good players, the fun ones....sometimes it just goes on and on (see figure 1 below) just now i finished a 2 hour long game, which involved no dropping, and very agressive fighting, and it happnes that those who stay get lots of kills (my team had a total of over 400 kills at the end) THOSE are the fun games, where you have to fight. this one only ended because they let gotchya slip by them in a tank and i held them off from our hangars.

Just was in a game where I was ask not to bomb, because they were hoping to reach a record of kills of 150. So the objective is not to bomb and end the game, they just want to play on and on to reach numbers. Again everyone plays like they want to; so I believe it is not fair to ask me to play a certain style just because I want to reach a goal. So more and more I see we all play like we want, I believe that is good. So just don’t ask others to play like you want, because I do not ask anyone to play like I want. You have your FUN I will have my FUN. and PS no dropping was involved.

I agree with Royal flush, here is one more evidence, 4:30 hrs game where I personally want to end at the earliest but [M]ad may be padding and don't want to end the game (Infact he was 46 kills short of new kills record, but he let it go).

He is one of the best shooter head on but my team will not let him or his team bomb our base hangars. Eventually he got disconnected and I too left as its too late to continue but Diaoblique stayed there till end along with Walley and One Kill. Players joined and left, but the game go on and eventually ended with 3 players. I think 4-5 players get over 100 kills in that game.

So one can't say that it's for padding only as with long games kills count will also increase. Those who want to pad will leave within short duration as they got killed too or with joining of good fighter in opposite side. I haven't seen a game where a player reached other base with bomb and didn't bomb.

Now a days even if one good player is in the opposite side, he will try his best not to give his hangars so easily. I myself faced many games where Major General (may be second account) or Air Marshal kept us away for good long to end the game. No red want to spoils his kdr by staying in game and getting shot one after the other.

But there are players who fight real hard and are not bothered about KDR and one I met recently is One KIll. He never give up game and won't let you bomb. There are many more like him. If he is alone with 3 noobs what will be the scenario. The noobs get killed on regular basis which will pad the red fighters but One Kill shoot the red pilot may be in 1st run or more runs but the game will go on.

Yes, if someone sneak in then it will be difficult for One Kill to hold two fronts with noobs/average player. But in that case players will complain to have cheated for cheap win. Acegirl and many more players are blamed for sneaking.

LOL, give me a break. If you play fairly you are padding stats and if you want to end it early by sneaking/using tactics its cheap win. Can anyone tell which one to choose?

I think the best way is to set timer for game 30 minutes or 1 hr max and afterwards players will be kicked from the game and new mission start. Will that be okay, is my question to all?

Acegirl wrote: Just was in a game where I was ask not to bomb, because they were hoping to reach a record of kills of 150. So the objective is not to bomb and end the game, they just want to play on and on to reach numbers. Again everyone plays like they want to; so I believe it is not fair to ask me to play a certain style just because I want to reach a goal. So more and more I see we all play like we want, I believe that is good. So just don’t ask others to play like you want, because I do not ask anyone to play like I want. You have your FUN I will have my FUN. and PS no dropping was involved.

In this case I'll play fair and will bomb if given chance. Getting new record with fair play is much better then getting it through any other mean. Yes I do support in record game by asking not to sneak in outnumbered team or asking player to leave the game if he is lagging or getting invisible but not let him to bomb or kill me to get his record.

Why the long games?

My tablet can only do about 2 hours from a 100% charge. I've destroyed many chargers by tilting and spinning.
With so many 2+ hour games it's no wonder so many real world relationships have been destroyed by the addiction. Besides, you get more points by winning. The long games favor those who can ignore the real world the longest. Why not play a complex game where strategy can be important and everyone can be an asset instead of just the best shooters and those who dedicate so much of their lives to it?

I do understand that there are players that are very good at straight shooting, and I respect that. Also think that the game has the problem of too much of a long range bullet, but I also respect that. I play with all type of style players and they do shot me a lot because they are good in this type of style. My type of play is to move around to try not to get hit and also take different routes to reach the base or ship. I play and try to enjoy the game and have fun. But when other players start to complain, you are not carrying a bomb, you are sneaking, play like this because you are cheating, I believe they are not being fair. I do not tell people how to play, so respect my style of play. My team mate tells me to stop bombing because he wants to reach a number of kills in game for his own personal record, and the other team tells me to fly straight or head on because it’s not fair the way I fly. What do they want to park the plane so I can get shoot?? It’s not ok. An you can pad kills if you get 5 to 6 players on a run , get shoot down before base do not use the tank to go back and get 7 more kills vs. one more death. If they want to play on till dawn, be my guest and if you are only in it for the kill and not to bomb be happy, just let the others play as they want too.

I for one love Ace Girl's way of playing. She is the one who has taught me so much in game play without her even knowing it. Trying to defend against her throughout my time here was no easy task and I learned a lot by watching how she manuevers. LMAO...lots and lots of burned barns were sacrificed but it made me a better player today.

I don't think anyone plans on having a long game. They just happen. These games come about when both sides are pretty evenly matched and reaching the hangers is no gimme. The quicker games tend to happen because one team has the better players. It's not always the case, but yes it usually is. Now I have been in all sorts of matches in very long games. There have been droppers, sneakers, and all other tactical play. These are all cool with me.

There are some things that I for one am not fond of. They are the tank glitchers and those situations where I should like to be shown a little respect as I will show towards others, but am not. What I mean is by not sneaking against a team that is severly outnumbered or outranked and by not playing abusively should one decide to drop (spawn killing).

These long games are awesome for those players that are in them. I have been there a few times. Many players come and go in these types of games. If a player does not wish to play in such a long match they can always exit the game. Heck I have left a few games where I just had enough. I didn't choose to glitch to end it or anything along the line. I just simply said bye and hit the exit button.

I can see how players get mad about someone ending a long game in a cheap way. Sneaking and dropping are fair play (hopefully shown with some respect as I mentioned but not required) and I am tired of hearing about players complaining about it.

Ace Girl...the reason for hear it from so many players is because you are VERY GOOD at it. When many other players especially lower ranks sneak they never get one word thrown at them. It's because you are a major threat. Everyone knows it and it makes it so much harder to defend against you that a players resorts to mouthing off to you. I really they would stop with that crap and put their egos in check.

So are long games padding stats? Absolutely not! If anything they are the opposite. They contain less hangers hit and more than often the KDR in these games are not so great.

Stat wise, players would be doing much better playing in multiple games that is required for one very long one.

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: I have observed that many folks post their kills to brag.
I have observed that it happens during btb and btc games.
They are only here for personal gain.
Check their bombing record..... dismal.

They seem to be the folks that "stand up" for their squad and bitch at all others...including new pilots.

Check the records and you'll see that the braggarts don't bomb.

They rely on others to win the mission for them.

Seems cheap to me!

If you're SO DAMNED good...why don't you bomb or at least do the mission?

THEN post a pic!

Paul

These may be the dumbest comments I have heard on forum yet.

I hardly ever see you play under this name so I can't say what kind of player you are. Unless you play under a different name then you can let me know. Without bragging in any way I consider myself a good player here. Take a look at my stats. They are very well balanced. Yes, if anything the hanger and win count is on the low side. Why is that? Because it took a lot of fight for my stats to look this way.

Like comments have been passed players like to play in their own styles. I for one like to fly right up the middle where I will grunt it out. May the best player battle his/her way through and the reward is reaching the hangers. I have never play used any unfair or cheating tactics. NEVER! NOT EVEN ONCE!!! Well knowingly that is and when not provoked. Let me explain. As a noob I had once used the tank glitch but I knew something was up when I did it. It was way too easy. Then I will always throw all fairness out the window when playing against players that are know to cheat and take advantage of situations. And last, I was once accused of camping. It was in a flag game and well to tell you the truth camping is going to come up when the situation is called for in a flag game. Once you get the flag you have to leave and return to base and sometimes camping just comes with it. Even then I try to take a mental note not to use it abusively.

So you want to know why these games end up with such high kills? Because these players are that good! Period!! There's nothing else to be said about it!!!

Look, when you have two or more very good players on each side, and both sides remain somewhat balanced, you know the game is going to be a long one. Neither side will be giving up the hangers easily. Hence, the high kill count. Unfortunately a high death count tends to come along with it. Also a low hanger and win count. Heck, have you ever faced me in a game where sides were pretty much even? I can guarantee that you didn't reach my hangers too easily and your hanger count suffered.

Now I for one don't prefer sneaking on a regular basis. I almost never do. When against reds that use it first or against a player that is know to sneak then yes I incorporate it into my game. It's the same for many of us "high kill count" players. We can get to the hangers more easily but we choose not to because we enjoy playing the game in a hard fought battle no matter how long it takes to win. Now I have nothing against those who choose to sneak or use other tactics except for the few things I mentioned in my prior post. So you will not find me b'ing about any players. Will I call out a player for choosing to play like a dirty rat when they choose some known cheap play? Heck yeah I will!

Ohhh and by the way. Who the heck do you think opens up the possibilities for others to bomb the hangers? By us holding the middle and preventing the reds from bombing allows other players to sneak. Or by us getting so many kills maybe it allows for another lower rank to slip through because we are taking all the fire.

"Rely on others to win"...LMFAO...that is ridiculous. Let's see players try to sneak without having someone to hold down the fort.

"Cheap"...wow...now you have to be kidding right? It's anything but cheap. We are sacrificing our hanger and win counts to play a fair, honest game.

So yes we are that GOOD! Take a good look at the list of names of the players that have reached over 200 kills. How many are on that list that are not very good players? I can guarantee not more than a handful have made it to that number.

See our mission is to play the game, win or lose. It's how we choose to play that is satisfying to us just as some other tactics are to others. Heck ask a glitcher if he/she is happy with their choice? Bet the answer is yes.

Ohh and last thing about me. I never use the tank glitch. Not even if I land on any part of the hill that we all know is part of the glitch. From what I see EVERYONE will take the tank should they land on the far side of the hill. Anyone that says they don't are full of it because I have been watching this since I have started here 8 months ago and never have used it unless against a team or player that did not deserve this respect from me.

Well I have only now given up on showing that much respect for others because as I said I see that everyone will use the tank when they land on the hill in a chute where that is actually USING THE TANK GLITCH. Now that I reached the top 50 rank playing as fair as I could and no longer care where I may end up in rankings, I too will start using tank on the back part of the hill just as ALL players do. Mannnn I used it twice already and hangers burned pretty quickly. Now I am talking about taking tank on the far side of the hill when it seems like EVERYONE finds it to be ok. I never did and still don't.

oDDJob wrote: Agree with u Paul...


was in a game agains mostly noobs a btc game...no so long ago...

my team had 80-90 % left and the red one had just 10% then a a moraf from a well know squad tell on teamchat lets not bomb the last 10 % we just pin the noobs ...

I tell him if it is hes wishes and perception of how to play the game... do what you want...but I'm not doing it ... then I left that game with hes name on my retina...
Im pretty sure this is not come from him from beginning he just copy other high rank players behaviors...


the most irritating is that player as him often mounthuing of "the right way to perform in a game" it is so sactimanious, when they at the same time us this low way of rise in their personal rank, with this cheap trick...

This is completely opposite of what I am talking about. I for one have never come across a similar situation.

What I was referring to is a straight out hard fought battle where neither team can reach the enemy hangers. It's not that we don't want to get them, it's simply that we can't. Both sides are fighting that hard and making the mission of destroying the enemy's hangers a difficult one.

And just so you all know most players that come into these types of games and realize that reaching the hangers is so difficult are the first ones to leave these games. Especially the players that try and use "out of the norm" tactics and are unsuccessful. It's pathetic how fast they leave when they can't accomplish what they set out for themselves.

Funny, this sounds exactly like the words of some captain from the 111th the other day (forgot his name). Was coming in to bomb the allied base, came over the ridge and he spawned onto the runway, so I shot him. He spawned again, so I shot him again. Then I bombed the hangars, climbed high and started the return to my base. He gave chase and kept shooting at me. 3/4 of the way across the field he was still shooting at me and close enough that I wouldn't be able to land and reload, so I turned and shot him down, leaving him in his chute. Guess that was a bad idea since he shot me down from his chute! Lol. Ah well. Anyway, he then calls me a spawn killer and says that that's why my stats are so good. Now, apparently this person has never seen my stats, because they're really not that great. I forget where they're at exactly, but I'm not quit at 18k kills and I have something like 2800 fewer deaths. I do know that my hangar count is close to half of my wins though.

Tl/dr version, if you want to call what I did spawn killing, fine, but I'm going to keep doing it and you're welcome to take your objections and stick them up your butt.

Cheers

I smell cheese

I love the straight up the gut long range shooting/ bombing missions. Kill after kill racking up. I like it because I am a weak turn fighter. However, if I get through everyone I'm killing as they respawn on the runway, two hangars are toast!

I wont lie, i like having nice cozy padded stats, what i dont like is getting them in cheap ways.
and for all you morons that complain, here is a list of true cheap ways
-using glitches
-being invisible
-taking advantage of a severely outnumbered/outclassed team
-spawnkilling when there is no one else around(NOT when you are going to bomb, or an allie is)

sneaking is acceptable, dropping (on occasion, not every time) is acceptable, being a wise ass is acceptable, hell, doing the chicken dance in your plane is acceptable if it HELPS YOU WIN

sure, some players dont like "treadmill simulator 2012" as it was so quaintly put, if you encounter one of those games, either leave or dont, but either way dont complain.

I consider myself a mediocre pilot who gets a lot of kills and I do post. Take into consider I do put a lot of reds back to their base. I'm not as successful at bombing because eventually these same reds end up at base at the same time. Unless I'm flying with another blue or two one of those reds are going to hit me.

I'm.a decent long range shooter.I've worked very hard to learn how to do it .I try and bomb as often as possible.but like cannon said I'll shoot my way over and end up running into a wall of reds .do I take hits along the way hell yeah I do .and you can ask.many in the game just because I'm.alone doesn't mean I'm.going to quit it also doesn't mean I'm.going to drop .hell I look at it like this I shoot a plane try for the chute get the next plane try for that chute .here the good part of the tank.is just far enough from my base or ship I'll shoot it any closer your gonna get a bomb down your hatch .now about a week ago I was alone and doing this to some good guns
All I got was called.a.dropper for bombing tanks and when I have to bomb tanks I usually take myself out on the second one .so I just respawn with fresh ammo and bombs .my style is defense by attack.I'm not padding stats I'm fighting hard because I keep my beer and carrots in my hanger .you want em fight for them .I do not hang over my base to shoot planes I attack with all I have .

Seriously?! You dropped a bomb on a tank and somebody called you a dropper?! That's rich. I've called people droppers for doing that before, but as a joke.

darraxx wrote: I'm.a decent long range shooter.I've worked very hard to learn how to do it .I try and bomb as often as possible.but like cannon said I'll shoot my way over and end up running into a wall of reds .do I take hits along the way hell yeah I do .and you can ask.many in the game just because I'm.alone doesn't mean I'm.going to quit it also doesn't mean I'm.going to drop .hell I look at it like this I shoot a plane try for the chute get the next plane try for that chute .here the good part of the tank.is just far enough from my base or ship I'll shoot it any closer your gonna get a bomb down your hatch .now about a week ago I was alone and doing this to some good guns
All I got was called.a.dropper for bombing tanks and when I have to bomb tanks I usually take myself out on the second one .so I just respawn with fresh ammo and bombs .my style is defense by attack.I'm not padding stats I'm fighting hard because I keep my beer and carrots in my hanger .you want em fight for them .I do not hang over my base to shoot planes I attack with all I have .

I do like to drop on tanks but love to drop on planes as they try and avoid by flying below me

oDDJob wrote: Agree with u Paul...and some of the other comments...



was in a game agains mostly noobs a btc game...no so long ago...

my team had 80-90 % left and the red one had just 10% then a a moraf from a well know squad tell on teamchat lets not bomb the last 10 % we just pin the noobs ...

I tell him if it is hes wishes and perception of how to play the game... do what you want...but I'm not doing it ... then I left that game with hes name on my retina...
Im pretty sure this is not come from him from beginning he just copy other high rank players behaviors...


the most irritating is that player as him often mounthuing of "the right way to perform in a game" it is so sactimanious, when they at the same time us this low behaviour to rise in their personal rank, it is a very cheap trick...

What's even more irritating is when players post to forum and to make themselves look like they play fair when they are guility of the topic being discussed.

I would call your use of tank glitch and spawn killing a sure way of "padding stats". Wouldn't you?

Ohhh, maybe you won't be evaluating that.

Ok.here's a new one in a game earlier today .I only stayed for.a.few.minutes.I was.told.I was.padding my stats because I wasn't jumping from.my plane .really ? Some.people need.to.get over themselves.you shot me I shot you there's three planes behind you I'm.not freaking stupid enough to jump.and get shot in my chute .so.either post up.here on.why you think that's padding my stats or just shut the hell up .

darraxx wrote: Ok.here's a new one in a game earlier today .I only stayed for.a.few.minutes.I was.told.I was.padding my stats because I wasn't jumping from.my plane .really ? Some.people need.to.get over themselves.you shot me I shot you there's three planes behind you I'm.not freaking stupid enough to jump.and get shot in my chute .so.either post up.here on.why you think that's padding my stats or just shut the hell up .

Agreed...sometimes it's smart too just respawn.

well hell if i could play i would pad the hell out nmy stats but i cant for some reason. And how is that possiable 450 plus killz,something smells like tuna. Im srue it will surface soon.

That would.be call a 4 plus hour game tailzz .

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote:

Paul Mantz, Jr. wrote: I have observed that many folks post their kills to brag.
I have observed that it happens during btb and btc games.
They are only here for personal gain.
Check their bombing record..... dismal.

They seem to be the folks that "stand up" for their squad and bitch at all others...including new pilots.

Check the records and you'll see that the braggarts don't bomb.

They rely on others to win the mission for them.

Seems cheap to me!

If you're SO DAMNED good...why don't you bomb or at least do the mission?

THEN post a pic!

Paul

These may be the dumbest comments I have heard on forum yet.

I would like to apologize for my friend Paul, he is just some silly old man. Probably not even the one to write "dumbest comments" I bet his nurse wrote it for him, as he was laying in his nice soft hospital bed.





I am sure if you look a bit more, you may be surprised to find more "dumbest comments". Looks like he has been a busy little boy in the past.

Have a nice day

And I do try not to be jaded at all the great shooters out there..... I am just extra good at punching the ground with my face!!!





Some may even say GIFTED

I was in a game earlier today, at some points I was alone vs. 4, because of this I never reached their carrier, but ended up with a hill kill score.

Thus it was never about padding kills, but just trying to defend and survive. I did eventually get two bombs, and one tank shell on their carrier (both of which don't add to your hanger number). Also after I received some help, there were a couple of times I almost reached the carrier before dying, but I was able to pave the way for my teammates to get in behind me and drop bombs.

I do not have an impressive hanger count, but I do my best to try and bomb in every game where bombing is the goal.