E*A*G*L*E wrote: I was in a game earlier today, at some points I was alone vs. 4, because of this I never reached their carrier, but ended up with a hill kill score.

Thus it was never about padding kills, but just trying to defend and survive. I did eventually get two bombs, and one tank shell on their carrier (both of which don't add to your hanger number). Also after I received some help, there were a couple of times I almost reached the carrier before dying, but I was able to pave the way for my teammates to get in behind me and drop bombs.

I do not have an impressive hanger count, but I do my best to try and bomb in every game where bombing is the goal.

Good point I've defended many times and have had high kill.counts along with a high death rate .and I do not always make it to the hangers or carrier but I try to plow the road for the guys behind me .and if I can get my tank you can bet I'm.going to drive it like I stole it .mostly because I couldn't hit a city in one.

YEMX, I am grateful on you calling out the "dumbest comments" remark. Paul Mantz aka Flymagic is a freaking legend. He's a class act in game and on the Forum. He certainly doesn't deserve to be ridiculed for a non offensive, personal opinion about game play. Love ya, Flymagic!

E*A*G*L*E wrote: I was in a game earlier today, at some points I was alone vs. 4, because of this I never reached their carrier, but ended up with a hill kill score.

Thus it was never about padding kills, but just trying to defend and survive. I did eventually get two bombs, and one tank shell on their carrier (both of which don't add to your hanger number). Also after I received some help, there were a couple of times I almost reached the carrier before dying, but I was able to pave the way for my teammates to get in behind me and drop bombs.

I do not have an impressive hanger count, but I do my best to try and bomb in every game where bombing is the goal.

I love those games! But tell me, did you bomb any tanks? I've been in this situation, outnumbered and fighting like hell only to be called a dropper and "cheap" when I don't go reload after pushing back a wave of reds. It's definitely a target rich environment, but "padding stats? Ha! It's called leaving it all on the field!


TX, YEM, Paul...salute.

Acegirl wrote: I do understand that there are players that are very good at straight shooting, and I respect that. Also think that the game has the problem of too much of a long range bullet, but I also respect that. I play with all type of style players and they do shot me a lot because they are good in this type of style. My type of play is to move around to try not to get hit and also take different routes to reach the base or ship. I play and try to enjoy the game and have fun. But when other players start to complain, you are not carrying a bomb, you are sneaking, play like this because you are cheating, I believe they are not being fair. I do not tell people how to play, so respect my style of play. My team mate tells me to stop bombing because he wants to reach a number of kills in game for his own personal record, and the other team tells me to fly straight or head on because it’s not fair the way I fly. What do they want to park the plane so I can get shoot?? It’s not ok. An you can pad kills if you get 5 to 6 players on a run , get shoot down before base do not use the tank to go back and get 7 more kills vs. one more death. If they want to play on till dawn, be my guest and if you are only in it for the kill and not to bomb be happy, just let the others play as they want too.

Im with gunz, i love the way you play. nothing more boring and stupid on a bomb mission as flying straight from your base to the reds base and trying to head on dogfight everyone, it's a bombing mission for petes sake, get it there any way you can, go low, go high, flank left, flank right get your bomb there is the goal. tired of hearing, oh so and so i am disappointed at your sneaking tactics,lol. I learn a lot watching good players, keep it up and cya in the sky

[NLR] McFate wrote: But tell me, did you bomb any tanks?

I did bomb a couple of tanks, as well as shooting some. There were times that there were three tanks on the field at once. However, after out of bombs I just crashed myself to reload for the next wave, and to still try my best to get to their carrier.

The only time I go without a bomb in these missions, is when I'm trying to leave. If someone is trying to take me down, then I turn and fight. If there are tanks nearby, then I will harass the planes so the tanks can get hits in if possible, and if there are planes coming in, then I give the enemy a distraction, but never take advantage of being bombless just increase my kills.

Even though I'm now doing pretty well in scores, I really don't care about it, nor about the win. I do my best to win but if I lose, then no problem. Same with getting shot down, it's part of the game. I play for fun, and try to win, but at the same time I work on making sure it's fun for others as well. Thus why many times when it was me vs 3 noobs, I don't even shoot, I just see if I can get through to bomb without endlessly shooting them, thus ruining the game for them.

I was going to respond to the "dumbest comment" but I don't think I could add anything that my friends YEMX and TX LAWMAN didn't already.

Instead I will post this.

E*A*G*L*E wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote: But tell me, did you bomb any tanks?

. However, after out of bombs I just crashed myself to reload for the next wave, and to still try my best to get to their carrier.

The only time I go without a bomb in these missions, is when I'm trying to leave. If someone is trying to take me down, then I turn and fight. If there are tanks nearby, then I will harass the planes so the tanks can get hits in if possible, and if there are planes coming in, then I give the enemy a distraction, but never take advantage of being bombless just increase my kills.

That's the same for me other than I won't intentionally ground except to get back to the ship if the need presents. Especially when outnumbered...push the reds back, cover incoming blues (planes or tanks) and get in range for tanking. The one thing that makes a smart chaser return to base or the boat is an imminent red sneak.


There are so many dynamics to a freely played game that die when you adhere to any mythical dogma. You are supposed to try to win, right? That is the point on the mission, no? If you want to hang out, fine, but isn't the first priority to play the game? Why not really fight and push for the victory? Why do games have to push on and on with only one strategy allowed? ...They don't. It's a war game where the maker and the design of the game provides for many different types of play. There are advantages/disadvantages to dropping and sneaking, just as there advantages/ disadvantages to carrying. Why limit the possibilities?

TXLAWMAN wrote: YEMX, I am grateful on you calling out the "dumbest comments" remark. Paul Mantz aka Flymagic is a freaking legend. He's a class act in game and on the Forum. He certainly doesn't deserve to be ridiculed for a non offensive, personal opinion about game play. Love ya, Flymagic!

I'm quoting TX's post but this also pertains to the posts left by YEMX and GHOSTRIDER.

Were do you see the ridicule? If by me saying Paul's post contained some of the "dumbest comments" is considered to ridicule then seriously you old timers need to chillax. I did not make a direct attack at Paul himself.

Did you read his original post? If anyone was ridiculing anyone here it was Paul by leaving the remarks he did. They are the ones that are offensive. So please don't turn this crap around on me for the remark that I left behind in response to his. Yes there are definitely players here that play in a way that clearly would fall into the "padding stats" catergory. Then there are just games that go on for a very long time where the numbers rack up that are played for hours that many players here couldn't handle.

So to accuse players that end up with a high kill total in a game and leaving the remarks the way Paul did, well plain and simply they are the "dumbest comments".

I would find it quite hard to believe that Paul took my "dumbest comments" remark so offensively considering the remarks he left behind.

I hardly know Paul at all. TX, you call him a "legend" and a "class act". I don't see it. His remarks are far from fitting the bill. Anyone fitting those descriptions would have respected the playing styles of the others here in DF and left the insults as to why one doesn't bomb the hangers so much.

Heck, I played against all of you guys quite often, right? When teams are pretty evenly matched don't we end up in "high kill" games? I sure as heck know that you are not getting my hangers that easy. I also know that getting to your hangers will not be an easy task. Well there you have the recipe for a "high kill" game.

oDDJob wrote: So... It is all about paddng kills then ...uhh?

btw do u remember when we shared a game last time ???

Last game? Honestly I am not 100% sure.

If you are referring to me using the tank glitch against you then yes I do. I did take it further out and you did a fine job defending against it.

I have always stated and will always continue to state that I do not show respect to those players that do not deserve it from me.

Being that you had used the tank glitch on me before the game I did against you and because you quite often resorted to spawn killing in prior games I will throw out fairness when playing against you. I am sure as heck not going to wait around for you to cross the line.

"Fly Magic" Paul is AKA" MAGIC TIME" because he likes to sneak. He's been doing it years before you ever heard of dogfhght.. He has recovered from hartattacks and various adventures and misadventures, he hasn't got the dexterity nor the energy to really duke it out head on or turnfighting and I hear that he is older than dirt, yet he continues to return to the game because he like it just like the rest of us.

He has been accused of playing shamefully literally for years. It basically comes down to a matter of 'is he welcome to play or not?' He always has in my book but many sanctimonious complainers have other opinions. What you may hear is some attitudinal residue from being bitched at (generally) by many of the people he is commenting about.

First let me apologize for leaving multiple posts on this thread. I hate it when one a player does that so I hope this will be my last.

Let me just make myself clear on what I am trying to state here. I do not know exactly what Paul is referring to. I am taking it as he is referring to games such as one that [M]ad was in where he had over 400 kills. I have played against [M]ad and I for one would never say he was padding his stats. Some games just lead up to high kills. That's the only point I was trying to make. As for my "dumbest comments" remark, well I stand by that being the remarks that were left by Paul.

I actually just came out of a game where [M]ad was a red against me. He arrived as a red somewhere around the half way mark of it. Before he arrived my team had the clear advantage. We bombed 6 hangers and had all of ours. My stats reflected the kind of game it was at around a 4:1 KDR.

([M]ad...sorry for bringing your name into this but your awesome game of 400+ kills is the perfect example. Maybe you shouldn't be such a great player and I wouldn't have to bring your name into it )

Then MXLL arrives as a red and [M]ad a short time later. Plus I lost my other good player. The tides have turned now. Throughout the rest of the game I had some good players on my side to help but always had at least 2 noobs where the reds now had 2 great players and 2 quality players. Little by little they got to our hangers and eventually won the game. They definitely had the team advantage and I had no shot in the world of ever seeing their hangers again but I sure as heck didn't make it easy on them in taking ours.

Now I ended up with 97 kills and bombed 4 hangers. Well the hangers happened before my team was clearly outranked. Now for me to reach this many kills in a game at a disadvantage as such, when a game is evenly matched the kill count gets higher. It's plain and simple. Anyone who has been in similar games would know this too. Now some may say why not sneak, drop, or use some other tactics. Well I can tell you that those tactics have been used in game where I had over 200 kills. Even then those tactics were defended well against.

All I am trying to say is that because a game ends up with players with such a high kill counts does not mean that a player is padding his/her stats. They actually happen because the game is played very well by some top quality players and bring that game to an early end is just not going to happen.

Here is the stats of the game I mentioned...


Now I was there much longer than [M]ad yet his kill count is on par with me. Why is that? Well for one he is that good of a player. Also because some of his oppenents were lower ranks where his kill count will accumulate faster than mine. There was not one second in this game that I would say anyone was padding their stats. In fact I would say all was being done to try to win the game.

MXLL was constantly sneaking against us where my apirant (who just ranked up in this game) was trying to sneak as well. He did get one hanger. GJ Max if you ever see this. You played well man. Also there was some dropping going on in the game.

No one complained about anything in this game because it was a hard fought battle. I feel that if the sides were more evenly matched then by all means the kill amounts in this game could have very easily exceeded over 200.

I hope this makes it clear to all how a game can lead to so many kills and without a player "padding" their stats.

If anyone don't like long games, make urself useful with your limited time,help your team and/or leave the game. Have fun.

Oh boy......

Somebody is going to be in big big trouble for that.

KEEP IT UP AND YOUR GOING TO EARN YOURSELF A "TIMEOUT " there Mister!!!

I had a good time padding my stats last week... oh wait..it was surviving as much of the game was just me. Wish I could have stayed to finish

So I have giggled over the "Back and Forth" that this post has brought on. The only reason I read the post in the first place was, because it was written by Paul! You see, over the years he has been one of the personalities (here and in real life) that I have come to admire to a very high level. Kind of like a movie star or a rock star. He has a way about him that I would like to have with myself. You know "the can do attitude, keep trying you will get it, nothing in life is impossible if you put your mind to it" he is also the keeper of, some of the greatest folklore this game has ever seen!!! (I still can't get past the tunnel from east to west at the halfway mark, but I am getting real close)

So just for giggles and my own personal growth I went back and read his original post. Much slooooooooooower this time. To see if I missed the names of players he was calling out.....? Dang it!!! The old guy got us again! He did not post any names..... It was another "Old Man Trap" set to flush out someone that felt the spotlight growing ever so closer as little beads of sweat started to drip from the brow..... Man sure is a fine day to, have left guilt at home.....

oDDJob wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote:

oDDJob wrote: So... It is all about paddng kills then ...uhh?

btw do u remember when we shared a game last time ???

Last game? Honestly I am not 100% sure.

If you are referring to me using the tank glitch against you then yes I do. I did take it further out and you did a fine job defending against it.

I have always stated and will always continue to state that I do not show respect to those players that do not deserve it from me.

Being that you had used the tank glitch on me before the game I did against you and because you quite often resorted to spawn killing in prior games I will throw out fairness when playing against you. I am sure as heck not going to wait around for you to cross the line.

it seems to be totaly impossible for you to hold it back, isn´t it ? ..you just have to do it on and on and on

1. I made an observation to back up Paul in his conclusion with an example of what is just a way to padding kills. Thats all my post contains...

2. I try to notify you that I do not value or address your statement (and here it start...you must have to feel offended or minimized, when I did not care about your post)

3. You start to accuse me to Padd my stat by tank glitching and dropping ( You dont have a idea how i collect my Points at all, because we just have play a few games all that time u been here on DF )

4. everything I posted in this tread you take as a personal insult, a deeper assault that you feel you have decipher between the lines... as usual your posts derails in that you do not get enough of clear language and start your everlasting inflammatory speeches...


Boy I recommend you strongly to continue examine your head ... I'm pretty sure they soon will find something wrong there ...

good luck with your next "schrink" visit !!!

You can say whatever you like towards me to try and make yourself seem cool with all the insults you like. It's as lame as your game play is.

Your original name from when I met you said it all about the person you are Doggy "Dix".

Guess things never change no matter what name you use because you will always be one of the "Dix"

Horse Feathers, Poppycock, B.S., call it what you like. This is how I view this, I join a game, kill the reds, maybe get a few hangars. The game ends (sometimes in a few minutes or a few hours) I don't intentionally "not" bomb. I never have. I join the game to win and get to the next game. You can call that padding my stats or doing my job. Either way "someone" will cry, whether its from being dominated or ending the game to early. I remember hearing a saying: You would bitch if they hung you with a new rope.
Seems to fit here...

I'm just here to kill people.

Now that I glitch with IOS9.2 and go blind to all other players and can't kill people, sometimes I'll take one bomb on a full frontal corkscrew attack or go high with two and do a diving corkscrew attack, but usually announce it's coming.

oDDJob wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote:

oDDJob wrote:

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote:

oDDJob wrote: So... It is all about paddng kills then ...uhh?

btw do u remember when we shared a game last time ???

Last game? Honestly I am not 100% sure.

If you are referring to me using the tank glitch against you then yes I do. I did take it further out and you did a fine job defending against it.

I have always stated and will always continue to state that I do not show respect to those players that do not deserve it from me.

Being that you had used the tank glitch on me before the game I did against you and because you quite often resorted to spawn killing in prior games I will throw out fairness when playing against you. I am sure as heck not going to wait around for you to cross the line.

it seems to be totaly impossible for you to hold it back, isn´t it ? ..you just have to do it on and on and on

1. I made an observation to back up Paul in his conclusion with an example of what is just a way to padding kills. Thats all my post contains...

2. I try to notify you that I do not value or address your statement (and here it start...you must have to feel offended or minimized, when I did not care about your post)

3. You start to accuse me to Padd my stat by tank glitching and dropping ( You dont have a idea how i collect my Points at all, because we just have play a few games all that time u been here on DF )

4. everything I posted in this tread you take as a personal insult, a deeper assault that you feel you have decipher between the lines... as usual your posts derails in that you do not get enough of clear language and start your everlasting inflammatory speeches...


Boy I recommend you strongly to continue examine your head ... I'm pretty sure they soon will find something wrong there ...

good luck with your next "schrink" visit !!!

You can say whatever you like towards me to try and make yourself seem cool with all the insults you like. It's as lame as your game play is.

Your original name from when I met you said it all about the person you are Doggy "Dix".

Guess things never change no matter what name you use because you will always be one of the "Dix"

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it got to be something that attracts you ... because you Always keep coming back for some more...

Yep...I'll be around too. I actually enjoy playing video games. It's guys like you that make me not like DF. Why? Because I just don't like people like you.

I actually never accused you of anything. I simply stated how you play the game. You should be proud of the way you play and if you're not, well then that's your problem. You are right. We have not played in so many games together but in every one that we did you either tank glitched or spawn killed.

The way I am is that I don't use those choices of game play unless it's against someone that does. Also I have NEVER thrown out an insult at any player here on forum until they have first or if maybe they used such tactics as yourself.

See I am quite happy with the person I am. I do not have to put others down to pick myself up nor do I have to use certain tactics to play well. These are the things that you and some others are about. I just especially get a kick out of it when you guys hide behind your actions.

That is something I won't change about myself. I will always call out a person like that. What do you have to say about me? Try to insult me for speaking up? Throw out insults? Geezzz grow up man. That's crap that kids in grammer school do.

Point proven how lame you are.

Here is what BZ thinks,

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: So I'm seeing a pattern on the forum. I believe it's called drama, beat the old dead, beat up bloody carcasses of dead topics. Take a look at the individuals starting the thread and ask yourselves, what might be the purpose?

If I had to guess, it's simply to take the forum and turn it's members and players against each other and I'd say the mission is working. Do you think they care about the subject created? It's like a small band who desperately wish to disrupt the forum and it's players as a form of revenge against Zup for banning them or calling them out and I would say that it is working.

Each time anyone posts, you've added to the fire knowing someone will twist and turn the topic into the bottomless pit of BS. Just observing and recalling how one stated he didn't have the financial resources to destroy Zup, but from what I see, a few followers to fulfill some troll filled revolution against the forum, players and Zup.

Mr Bingo wrote: Here is what BZ thinks,

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: So I'm seeing a pattern on the forum. I believe it's called drama, beat the old dead, beat up bloody carcasses of dead topics. Take a look at the individuals starting the thread and ask yourselves, what might be the purpose?

If I had to guess, it's simply to take the forum and turn it's members and players against each other and I'd say the mission is working. Do you think they care about the subject created? It's like a small band who desperately wish to disrupt the forum and it's players as a form of revenge against Zup for banning them or calling them out and I would say that it is working.

Each time anyone posts, you've added to the fire knowing someone will twist and turn the topic into the bottomless pit of BS. Just observing and recalling how one stated he didn't have the financial resources to destroy Zup, but from what I see, a few followers to fulfill some troll filled revolution against the forum, players and Zup.

It not what he "thinks", it's what we know. Sorry, it's the kool-aid talking.

we need more Kool aid for this show

[*M]VonHuLK wrote:

Mr Bingo wrote: Here is what BZ thinks,

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: So I'm seeing a pattern on the forum. I believe it's called drama, beat the old dead, beat up bloody carcasses of dead topics. Take a look at the individuals starting the thread and ask yourselves, what might be the purpose?

If I had to guess, it's simply to take the forum and turn it's members and players against each other and I'd say the mission is working. Do you think they care about the subject created? It's like a small band who desperately wish to disrupt the forum and it's players as a form of revenge against Zup for banning them or calling them out and I would say that it is working.

Each time anyone posts, you've added to the fire knowing someone will twist and turn the topic into the bottomless pit of BS. Just observing and recalling how one stated he didn't have the financial resources to destroy Zup, but from what I see, a few followers to fulfill some troll filled revolution against the forum, players and Zup.

It not what he "thinks", it's what we know. Sorry, it's the kool-aid talking.

Apology accepted.

Mr Bingo wrote:

[*M]VonHuLK wrote:

Mr Bingo wrote: Here is what BZ thinks,

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote: So I'm seeing a pattern on the forum. I believe it's called drama, beat the old dead, beat up bloody carcasses of dead topics. Take a look at the individuals starting the thread and ask yourselves, what might be the purpose?

If I had to guess, it's simply to take the forum and turn it's members and players against each other and I'd say the mission is working. Do you think they care about the subject created? It's like a small band who desperately wish to disrupt the forum and it's players as a form of revenge against Zup for banning them or calling them out and I would say that it is working.

Each time anyone posts, you've added to the fire knowing someone will twist and turn the topic into the bottomless pit of BS. Just observing and recalling how one stated he didn't have the financial resources to destroy Zup, but from what I see, a few followers to fulfill some troll filled revolution against the forum, players and Zup.

It not what he "thinks", it's what we know. Sorry, it's the kool-aid talking.

Apology accepted.

Ok..... Due to being dropped as a child (a couple of times....) I have lost to ability to read between the lines. I am sure it is all right there, in black and white, but the way I am reading this. It looks like someone thinks Paul is trying to undermine zup's hard work, by posting on the forum.

I am sure I must be missing a big part of the (behind closed doors) story or suggestion....? Fricken frack!!! Never mind I just confused myself on what I was trying to say again.

I really hate that it hurts so much when, I try and us my brain power for the better good.......

EDIT: So if someone could PM me or SPEELLLL it out for me, I would appreciate it.

Acegirl wrote:

[NLR] McFate wrote: Actually, I've copied all of the important stuff onto post-it notes stuck all over the ceiling and walls, with red string thumb tacked between connected issues. I can lie on my bed and see the whole master plan as clear as day. When the guy comes to bring the milk I have him bring 3 unopened packs of 3" post-its...he knocks 4 times and opens the door 8 inches, then holds the bag open at 15 degrees so I can get everything out without risk of contact. It works beautifully.

All agents! Abort, Abort! They're on to us! First they got it right when they said "they hate us because they're not us" now they have somehow tapped into out central intelligence. It seems that they aren't as hampered by bad intelligence as we thought. Abort!

lol......?

Oh I get it....

Jokes on me....

Sure.... Have fun picking on the slow kid....