[*M] bware wrote: Ever wonder about the camera position of his avatar pic? Is it because he's on a pedestal? Or maybe he just likes to portray himself looking down on all of us. Maybe both.

Noooo....wait.....are you telling me that is really him in that picture?

I would love to know the answer to that if anyone knows.

Lol, no that's not me in my avatar. It looks like me about 15 years ago. That's a promo pic for "utilikilts". I've been asked if it was me before by friends. Haha.


Comet... asking all the hard questions.


Don't worry gunzzz. I can see that you can't handle it. You might not want to solicit (big word for "request") other's opinions if you can't take the response seriously when you find it too challenging.

[NLR] McFate wrote:

[*M]VonHuLK wrote: I really can't figure why you haven't changed your name to: McHolier than thou, or McWig yet. Maybe McI'mSmarterthenyou, McBaiter, no I've got it, McPoker. That one works, Flame on McFlamer.

How many times have you posted "Hulk not smart...too many words, not enough pictures"?

If you like the sand box, stay in the sand box. Why would you try to get involved with anything real that cover more than your interests? Why not just go back to your soft porn site? There are lots of conversations you and your buddies can circle up with.

LMAO! Somehow Gunzz asks "Am I Right or Wrong...What Do You Say" and then flies off the handle when people "say"?

I have no idea if I'm smarter than you. Intelligence comes in many flavors, not just words. What do suggest we use on the forum, just memes? "McFlamer"? LOL! This is from a +/-50 year old who just called his buddies out to troll a middleschooler to the point where he left the forum and game altogether. In cases like that, sure. I'll take the moral high ground over your jackassery.

Just turned 50, Thanks. I never "called" anyone to troll anyone. If someone acts like an ass, they should expect to be treated like one, 13 or 65, an ass is an ass,"sir". Seeing as how you believe you are smarter then me, I shall call you sir from now on, sir. Thank you for taking the time to try and teach my small mind, sir. Maybe one day I can be half as smart as you, sir. I'm going to go play with some Legos now.
Signed, Dumb "old" Hulk

[*M]VonHuLK wrote: Just turned 50, Thanks. I never "called" anyone to troll anyone. If someone acts like an ass, they should expect to be treated like one, 13 or 65, an ass is an ass,"sir". Seeing as how you believe you are smarter then me, I shall call you sir from now on, sir. Thank you for taking the time to try and teach my small mind, sir. Maybe one day I can be half as smart as you, sir. I'm going to go play with some Legos now.
Signed, Dumb "old" Hulk

Lol, you missed something:
"I have no idea if I'm smarter than you. Intelligence comes in many flavors, not just words."

As for Legos... great choice! The instructions have lots of pictures and no words. They are great, especially for people with dyslexia. Maybe it's a Danish thing. Grundfos (a Danish pump manufacturer) (Danish as in Denmark not cheese filled pastry) use the same sort of manuals for their equipment. It is very rare that people get confused while hooking the electrical connections. (BTW, Legos originated in Denmark. )

Hey Gunzz,
If I were you,I would have left the game or switched sides. Last option will be team killing.
About the rest,for a guy like me from a non-English speaking country, the forum is getting too boring with too much big words. Anotger reason to stick with Misfit thread. More pictures less words lol. I once always liked reading all posts on the forum,each and every new/old thread,but not much lately. I simply skip tough words and long posts. This is a "community" a multi-culture,multi-lingual whatever u call it. Keep it simple,everyone would love to read the posts.

To those who don't know McFate well enough (such as Dailey) and those that know him too well.

I will make a thread when there is something I would like to talk about. They usually go well until the likes of the McFates drop by and make them into something other than what they are. McFate is infamous for crappy ways as most of us know.

Most people will pop into a thread and leave a reponse or two. It so simple. I always try to go out of my way to answer to all posts because I respect those who took the time to respond.

McFate has to try and make himself always look better than everyone else. He will try to make others look bad just as he has done with me and often does with others.

Can someone tell me why is he still even here in DF? Aren't there bannable rules set by Zup for what McFate regularly does here on forum? Why does his squadmates even want a person like that in their squad? I sure as heck wouldn't want him in mine.

Am I lying about anything here? Take a look at his track record and mine. I come to threads and try to make the one who posted it feel good for taking the time in doing so. Yes there are a few that deserve the bashing that I may have done and most of them involve McFate. Normally if I have nothing positive to leave on someone's thread I simply don't. Repect man! Something McFate seems to lack.

Then again it seems like McFate is always involved where the trash is. Goes to show there is a regular pattern to him. That is without say.

Seriously I have so many better things to do than to waste my time with guys like this such as doing anything and everything else. That is why I put an end to responding to his posts. Should you really want to torture yorselves go back and reread the posts and you will see how it lead to this point.

WARNING: in doing so one may have suicidal thoughts

[M]ad wrote: Hey Gunzz,
If I were you,I would have left the game or switched sides. Last option will be team killing.
About the rest,for a guy like me from a non-English speaking country, the forum is getting too boring with too much big words. Anotger reason to stick with Misfit thread. More pictures less words lol. I once always liked reading all posts on the forum,each and every new/old thread,but not much lately. I simply skip tough words and long posts. This is a "community" a multi-culture,multi-lingual whatever u call it. Keep it simple,everyone would love to read the posts.

Thanks Mad

For nothing other than being a normal decent guy just as many others have been here. I completely agree with what you are saying about the forum going down the crapper sometimes. Just as there are the players that ruin games there are guys that ruin the forum. Kind of sucks they are still around.

Hopefully DF Elite will also try get rid of some of this trash.

Alright Gunzz, since you seem to want to continue with real conversations, let's rewind to before you derailed your own thread. I took out all the stuff you seem to think was insulting.

[NLR] McFate wrote:

[NLR] Luna wrote: Sounds like he's having fun woth what you're doing, otherwise he would just leave those games. Do the right thing, blacklist his name to the community and report him, he'll get what's coming.

I'd say Luna is right. Gunzz, you're approach is "the wrong execution of the right idea" (Quoting "Taps" here)


There are a couple things that you have not openly addressed. I wonder if you would openly consider them here:

First: your recent actions have led to misunderstandings by other players seeing you play abusively. You have explained here every nuance of what your intentions were but the fact remains that only a very small percentage of players come to the forum and even fewer still read these threads. You have evidence that your actions have been misconstrued yet you haven't mentioned it here ,in fact you have said you have heard nothing but support from other players in game.

The second is that you have insisted that your reports and complaints have gone unheard. Alas, ye of little faith! Zup has made several posts about how he handles complaints and that he doesn't openly reply because it uses up his time which can be better spent working on game development. Come to think of it, one of the most informative posts about how he responds to reports was by E*A*G*L*E when he quoted an email from zup. (I've reposted it several times and will again if requested.) If you think about it, how would you know that Libiak Ali has not been receiving 3 day bans for his actions?

zuperman wrote:

airwolff wrote: can you please provide a system whereby total assholes can be banned, blocked, or otherwise prevented from being in the game. currently there are no moderators, there are no administrators, as far as we can see complaints go unnoticed or ignored. there are a number of current players that are notorious for abusing glithces, unsportsmanlike conduct within the scenarios, and generally being jerks.

will we get a respite from these problems?

I'm working on a better system. I moderate right now daily, going over the complains. I just don't reply to most of them, i just act upon them. So probably I need to make a system where people get a reply and don't think they've been ignored.

He understands that you need feedback from him to maintain your faith. Have patience. Don't throw out the rules.

Why is it always me with a contradictory view? And why can't I keep it to myself? It gets me into so much trouble!

I enjoy McFate's posts and always look forward to reading them, even when he's bashing my ideas. They're clever, lively, superbly articulated and often very funny. What's not to like about that? I'd rather scroll through his posts than some of the extreme right wing, borderline racist and sexist drivel that many of us subscribe to.

For what it's worth, I enjoy Gunzz' posts too. He's no slouch in the English department.

Just sayin'

It really is time for this thread to be put to bed.

Being that I was the one who created it it only seems right that I should be the one to put it to sleep.

I rehashed all that has been said here and took into account all my in-game experiences to come up with what I am going to say. I do understand and see your point of view with all of you that state team killing is wrong and that I should leave a game instead of resorting to team killing. It is a smart, wise choice.

I also have been in many, many games where team killing, whether performed by me or someone else, has been used against players in cases such as a player starts team killing for no reason, bombs their own hangers, cheats/uses unfavorable tactics, or are LIBIAK ALI and I must say that team killing these types of players as well as allowing a pass for the reds to deal with that player are very effective.

Now many may disagree with me on that point and that is fine. I respect your opinions. I just hope you will respect mine as well even if you disagree with it mainly because when I do resort to team killing, I do so only when deemed necessary and I do not use it in an abusive manner.

In fact when I do find it necessary to resort to team killing it comes up in a time in the game where I have already reported in-game the player that I am team killing for their actions that deserved to be reported. I usually take screen shots of their actions and follow up with an email to Zup stating that I did team kill this player and state why I did and supply Zup with the screen shots proving it. Sometimes I will just state all this in the in-game report to make it easier for Zup and myself. Being that I have never heard anything from Zup about my coarse of actions, even if he may not be 100% in approval of my actions, I would think he finds my ways justifiable.

As I mentioned in prior posts so do most of the players that are in these games and see hands on what is going on.

This has cleared the air for me and I hope it does for you all as well.

Unless someone really has a valid point to make let's try to put this to sleep.

Thank you all for your time.

Okay Gunzz,

Gj making it through the matter at hand but you sure do spew a lot of shit before going out the door. If you and the [M]E toos want to make a thread about how abusive i am, go right ahead. If you could keep it sensical instead of just bashing it might even be worth reading. Frankly I don't think any of you could actually make such statements and provide reasonable support without just using bluster and insults.

Let's let this thread die, but you left a lot hanging in the breeze. Let's see what you've got. When you're ready for it, make a thread so you can all get it out there. Just try to use reason... the forum could use a good laugh.

[NLR] McFate wrote: Okay Gunzz,

Gj making it through the matter at hand but you sure do spew a lot of shit before going out the door. If you and the [M]E toos want to make a thread about how abusive i am, go right ahead. If you could keep it sensical instead of just bashing it might even be worth reading. Frankly I don't think any of you could actually make such statements and provide reasonable support without just using bluster and insults.

Let's let this thread die, but you left a lot hanging in the breeze. Let's see what you've got. When you're ready for it, make a thread so you can all get it out there. Just try to use reason... the forum could use a good laugh.

Give it a rest man!

You showed exactly how you are over and over again and once again did it just now with this post.

I didn't have to supply "reasonable support". You did that for me with your posts on this thread.

My last post to put this thread to bed was done respectfully and well if I do say so myself. You couldn't leave it at that.

Now what will it take to put you to sleep? Did you want me to tuck you in? Do you want to hear a bedtime story? Geezzz!

....I'm just here to have the last word ----> so