The trouble is that once you get on the roundabout of "full circle justice" any direction is just as valid as another... there is no longer any moral high ground. ALI LIABIAK might as well start team killing (if he isn't already) just to ruin your games.

Imagine for a moment that ALI gets annoyed and vindictive against you, Gunzz: what is to stop him from spawning into games and finding you, he switches to your side and team kills your hangars...just for fun. Or decides to change his name daily and team kill, or to play and wait until just before you bomb, then team kill. To him that may be just as reasonable of a way to react as what you are doing.

You may want to take a look into psychopathy. It is believed that as much as 10% of the population has less mooring to morality than the rest of us, and it has no correlation with intelligence. In many cases just getting a noticeable rise out of you could be rewarding for them. Once they have been stymied by your retribution why would they continue with the same MO? I really can't imagine that someone who plays in a reprehensible way will be driven from the game by a vigilante. It is much more likely that they will step it up a notch before just slinking off to lick their wounds. Remember, by your own description they do not play fair, once they see that you don't...where does it stop?

If the good guys aren't good, then there are no longer any "good guys".

I literally just came out of a btc game against LIBIAK. LOL...yes we were red. I really wouldn't call it much of a game though. There was about 6 players there and other than LIBIAK and me the others were low ranks.

LIBIAK is good at the game. I will give him credit for that. In fact that is what makes his ways so hard against lower ranks. I have to be honest and say that we matched up evenly exchanging kills. Neither one of us really got the better of eachother.

Here is what happened though and then tell me he doesn't ruin game for low ranks. He does his usual by dropping his bombs against low ranks getting around them and killing them. Wow!!! Like that is supposed to impress anyone. It's kind of lame of him if you ask me. So what do these players do? They leave. Heck if I was them I would too.

All but one player left and that was a player on my team. LIBIAK must have forgotten that this player, Matt, was in tank and had now reached the carrier. LIBIAK and I had engaged in a turn fight over by my side. LIBIAK must think I am quite the noob as he was trying to draw our turn fight over my carrier. I wasn't biting.

I played it smart. As soon as I saw that Matt had his first hit on the carrier I didn't want either LIBIAK or I to kill eachother. I just wanted to keep him in the sky as long as I could. Matt ended up shelling the carrier about 5 times before LIBIAK realized what was going on and auto destroyed (or crashed on purpose) and finally killed Matt in the tank.

Ohhh before he did auto destroy he actually had the nerve to try and land on my carrier thinking I would kill him. Lol...I just flew away and left him hanging there. That's when he finally wisened up and got the tank.

Well I guess Matt didn't want to continue in a game like this either and left immediately after he got killed in the tank. Now it's just me and LIBIAK left.

Bye...I got better things to do.

Gotta give Matt some credit on a job well done. At least he got reward by leveling up for his efforts.

Good job Gunzz. That is the exact thing that I have always suggested for dealing with these guys. You stepped it up, used your head and beat him fair and square. Don't tell me you didn't enjoy yourself.


Felt better than teamkilling, no?

That was wonderful play of tactics D93 and well rewarded too.

D93 your intentions are good but for that you don’t have to choose the wrong path. Help/Guide the players to get the best shooter/dropper/sneaker.

The question is, How?

Educate the other team to fly in pair or all together as team and tell them that all will fire at the particular plane. Even Davy/Mean can take down only one plane at a time. The probability of 2-4 blues shooting at red plane will definitely be high as compared to going solo. Surely, they will get him if not in first round, may be in 2nd or 3rd or 4th. This way you’ll be making them better players and inculcate the habit of team building. This way they can now help other players to do the same to tackle such situations irrespective of whether you are there or not to help them. Make your presence felt in all server without being there.

Encouraging and guide them to go in team and applaud them whenever they get the red plane down. Don’t shoot them till they come to get you . Teaching team building is the best you can do for your noble cause and it’s honourable and effective too.

[NLR] McFate wrote: Good job Gunzz. That is the exact thing that I have always suggested for dealing with these guys. You stepped it up, used your head and beat him fair and square. Don't tell me you didn't enjoy yourself.


Felt better than teamkilling, no?

Ohh yeah without a doubt. As I mentioned about the teamkilling I only do that when I cant get in the game as a red.

[NLR] The Blue Fighter wrote: That was wonderful play of tactics D93 and well rewarded too.

D93 your intentions are good but for that you don’t have to choose the wrong path. Help/Guide the players to get the best shooter/dropper/sneaker.

The question is, How?

Educate the other team to fly in pair or all together as team and tell them that all will fire at the particular plane. Even Davy/Mean can take down only one plane at a time. The probability of 2-4 blues shooting at red plane will definitely be high as compared to going solo. Surely, they will get him if not in first round, may be in 2nd or 3rd or 4th. This way you’ll be making them better players and inculcate the habit of team building. This way they can now help other players to do the same to tackle such situations irrespective of whether you are there or not to help them. Make your presence felt in all server without being there.

Encouraging and guide them to go in team and applaud them whenever they get the red plane down. Don’t shoot them till they come to get you . Teaching team building is the best you can do for your noble cause and it’s honourable and effective too.

Good tip there Blue. I will pass that along.

I actually often do try to help out newer players here. Got in a game just one on one with a noob. I told him I would not shoot at him but he should try to kill me. He enjoyed it. Then some players joined and the game continued. After maybe 1 or 2 passes all the reds except this noob left. He actually made it to the last hill in the tank and I guided him the whole way on how to tank. I figured it was a good time for him to practice since the game was slow.

Credit to RT and another player that I can't remember their name for also letting this happen and giving some advice. After many missed shots the noob was finally able to hit a hanger. Lol...sure enough once that happened a new player on my team joined the game and killed the noob in tank even though we clearly asked him not to.

Figuring the noob can try again I ask if he would like to give it another shot. Of course the latter player on my team killed the noob a few more times after once again us asking him not to and explaining why. I was very clearly stated and understood. Finally the noob gets in a postition to try again and that player on my team bombs the last hanger to end the game. And yes we asked him not to do it too.

Some players here really have no class at all. It's kind of pathetic.

Gunzzz,

In those cases why not just say "game on"?
After all, a new player came in. The guy who spawned in could be anyone, maybe he doesn't speak English, maybe he's not subscribed, maybe it's some terminally ill cancer patient who is on his "last run, gtg" for gosh sakes!!!!

Lol.

Heck, your noob just got all the coaching, found the range, got a hangar! Man! He was ready to get back to the battle.

What does your conscience say?

[NLR] McFate wrote: Gunzzz,

In those cases why not just say "game on"?
After all, a new player came in. The guy who spawned in could be anyone, maybe he doesn't speak English, maybe he's not subscribed, maybe it's some terminally ill cancer patient who is on his "last run, gtg" for gosh sakes!!!!

Lol.

Heck, your noob just got all the coaching, found the range, got a hangar! Man! He was ready to get back to the battle.

I felt bad for the noob. He was really happy that we were taking the time to help him. It was one of those games that was perfect for this type of training. It would have been nice if he got a few more shots in. When I explained how to change to the aim view in tank you should have heard how excited he was when he saw the difference. He had me laughing. Yes he did learn a few things. I guess it's better than nothing.

I know you're kidding and all but the player who spawned in and did the killing and ended the game is someone I seen play quite a few times. He does speak english too. It was just lame of him to make a run for the last hanger when we explained what was going on. Especially since there were no other reds in the game. He made that last run on a gimme. That's what made it lame.

Rudolf Rednose wrote: What does your conscience say?

Kill all that p me off

Bg..its good to see your passion for the game and wanting it to be a fairer game but your gonna have to decide between playing it for fun or policing it. When u have successfully taught LA that his style is not welcome another will take up the mantle.I've learned to do what I can about unsavoury characters but never at the expense of ruining my game. Now there are no mods its hard to enforce gameplay annoyances because its not possible, yes we can take a stand against it but these people dont recognise the message that is being spelt out to them I dont condone their behaviour but it will be a full time job keeping them in the fair play league, I admire your dedication to this cause but dont let it consume you.There is a lot of sympathy in your plight but dont let them take you to the dark side..lol.
In the past I have lost it witha few, but now I find I can still make a difference using more sublte tools, humour mainly. The only real way of changing it would be to enforce certain fairplay rules and I dont see that happening anytime soon, I still feel the buzz now as when I first started playing, and will not let anyones play change that,maybe just try to temper your frustrations with a clear example of your own fairplay that others around you will see. There are some clever peeps that play here it wont go unnoticed. Good luck, always a pleasure to see you in the air bud.

DO WHAT U THNK IS RIGHT.FOLOW UR HATRED...AND LET JUSTICE PREVAIL

MICHAEL KANE.. wrote: Bg..its good to see your passion for the game and wanting it to be a fairer game but your gonna have to decide between playing it for fun or policing it. When u have successfully taught LA that his style is not welcome another will take up the mantle.I've learned to do what I can about unsavoury characters but never at the expense of ruining my game. Now there are no mods its hard to enforce gameplay annoyances because its not possible, yes we can take a stand against it but these people dont recognise the message that is being spelt out to them I dont condone their behaviour but it will be a full time job keeping them in the fair play league, I admire your dedication to this cause but dont let it consume you.There is a lot of sympathy in your plight but dont let them take you to the dark side..lol.
In the past I have lost it witha few, but now I find I can still make a difference using more sublte tools, humour mainly. The only real way of changing it would be to enforce certain fairplay rules and I dont see that happening anytime soon, I still feel the buzz now as when I first started playing, and will not let anyones play change that,maybe just try to temper your frustrations with a clear example of your own fairplay that others around you will see. There are some clever peeps that play here it wont go unnoticed. Good luck, always a pleasure to see you in the air bud.

The situation in dealing with players like this really hasn't changed who I am or how I go about playing DF. Yes my first objective is to play the game as it is meant to be and when all do play fair the game is great. When players decide to take things upon themselves to do as they please without treating others with respect I show them no respect.

See there is no set way to go about playing the game. Each game will somehow call for different play. Being able to adjust according to each situation is how I play. If the situation calls for breaking the rules, so be it.

My last game of the night yesterday was a flag game. A dope on the red team decides to park his tank on the flag. Ok...no big deal. I kill him in tank. Then he decides to leave his dead tank on the flag so no one can pick it up. So after a few minutes of being unable to get the flag I allowed myself to be killed close to him and got in my tank. I had to push his tank away to get access to the flag. When I did that he rejoins the game and started to do it again.

That's when a red player that I respect in the game did exactly what I would have also done and that was team kill him. This cheap player is Donald Trump so everyone give him some special treatment for me when you see him. Anyway the game got messy for about 20 minutes but definitely a nice change of pace. Lol...you know what? Sometimes these crazy scenarios actually can bring out a good laugh. I have shared some laughs with others quite a few times in similar situations before.

Now what should we all have done? Leave the game because Trump decided to play like a tool in the game? No we all took action against him. He got some extra love from us all and after some time he finally left the game. That's when we resumed to playing the game as usual and honestly it ended up being a great game.

I believe everyone in that game handled this situation perfectly even though it got ugly for some time and included play that was against the set rules.

Did Trump break any rules of Dogfight by doing what he did? No!

Was he ruining the game for us all? Yes!

That's what I mean about using common sense in dealing with a situation. Times like this are when rules are meant to be broken.

Did it bring out a dark side of me? No!

Did I feel like I acted without honor when I tank spawn killed him repeatedly to prevent him from parking his dead tank on the flag over and over again? No!

Did any player in that game think my actions were wrong? No!

Was everyone actually happy to see that Trump was getting what he deserved? Yes!

Sometimes the players here seem to take this whole honor talk way too far. There's nothing wrong with it but that's how I see it. I treat all with respect here unless they don't deserve it. I have no regrets when I take actions that are against the set rules against player like this. I play as I see fit and believe me that I that I have resorted to dealing with players like this where I may have gone against the set rules over 100 times. Do you know how many points I have lost in this game from stopping players from playing like tools? Ouch!!!

No regrets. No dishonor. No shame. Nothing along those lines is how I feel.

Have I lost any honor or moral value within myself for my actions? No! Actually I feel like I may have gained some by aiding others in the game and not just ignoring situations like this.

Everyone says well I could leave the game so I don't set a bad example to others players. And what? Let them learn from tools like this and see that wow parking my tank on the flag is a great idea. I would rather teach the how to handle tools like this and follow in my footsteps. Anyone that has even an iota of an idea about the game and are in the actual game always support my actions. It did resolve the problem at hand and the final result was a fun game. That's how I like going about situations like this. I rather not leave a game if I don't have to. If a situation does call for me to leave then yes I will. If it can be taken care of, well I will give it all I got in doing so.

So this is exactly what I have been trying to say. It's not only me that will team kill or break the rules when a situation calls for it. Many other players will also do the same when it's called for and these are the players that I have a lot of respect for.

#femi breezy wrote: DO WHAT U THNK IS RIGHT.FOLOW UR HATRED...AND LET JUSTICE PREVAIL

Seems like someone is over exaggerating with their words here.

I deal with every situation as they arise.

[NLR] The Blue Fighter wrote: D93 to me team killing is wrong and if you don't like him either enter as red or leave the server.

Wrong doing (by well respected member) will not make it right. Join Red and counter him by dropping, if he is dropping. That's what I will do. Just think, if any new player joins your side and see you team killing. not only you'll be spoiling your image but also encourage him to do the same.

What if Libiak Ali too indulge in fighting and team kill you. Same team members fighting with each other and other will make mockery of you both, may be not in open but behind you.

Do it in legimate way by joining other side.

Have to agree with Blue....just leave, there are 5 other servers, or try to switch, if you get banned for him, then you lose also, and he more or less wins because he can still fly and you can't, it sucks I know, and the thought of leaving your team in mid game, especially a good long hard fought game with people you really love to fly with and against, and that really sucks and you are wondering if your teammates are wondering why did he(you) leave. So yes your right and wrong in my opinion! Because your cutting off your nose to spite your face! If enough people switch or leave when he spawns in a game depending on variables of that particular game, eventually, if he has half a brain he should realize what's going on, if not, then that's a shame for him! Bottom line is don't lower your standards by bringing yourself to his/her level my friend, your well respected in this game sir!!!

[*M]yNuts wrote:

[NLR] The Blue Fighter wrote: D93 to me team killing is wrong and if you don't like him either enter as red or leave the server.

Wrong doing (by well respected member) will not make it right. Join Red and counter him by dropping, if he is dropping. That's what I will do. Just think, if any new player joins your side and see you team killing. not only you'll be spoiling your image but also encourage him to do the same.

What if Libiak Ali too indulge in fighting and team kill you. Same team members fighting with each other and other will make mockery of you both, may be not in open but behind you.

Do it in legimate way by joining other side.

Have to agree with Blue....just leave, there are 5 other servers, or try to switch, if you get banned for him, then you lose also, and he more or less wins because he can still fly and you can't, it sucks I know, and the thought of leaving your team in mid game, especially a good long hard fought game with people you really love to fly with and against, and that really sucks and you are wondering if your teammates are wondering why did he(you) leave. So yes your right and wrong in my opinion! Because your cutting off your nose to spite your face! If enough people switch or leave when he spawns in a game depending on variables of that particular game, eventually, if he has half a brain he should realize what's going on, if not, then that's a shame for him! Bottom line is don't lower your standards by bringing yourself to his/her level my friend, your well respected in this game sir!!!

Thanks Nuts for the kind words!

I definitely agree with what you are saying here. It's just that 99% of the times that he is in a game, the game is already a mess and ruined. At least when I do what I do it brings some normality to that game. It's hard for you all to understand by the words here on forum. If the situation ever arised where I did this and you were in that game, you would understand and agree with my decision. I have never heard from any player that has seen me do this say that I was doing anything wrong. They all supported my actions.

It is a shame that his ways are tolerated here and that he is even still flying. If I was Zup this guy would have been long gone. He does have a brain.. I am assuming he is very smart too. He plays the game too well and knows all the tricks to pull so he definitely is smart. Problem is that he's a tool too. He is definitely doing it all on purpose. He knows what he is doing is wrong. I guess everyone has their own way of having fun. Too bad his way is trashy.

no ALOT of people say BLACKLIST THEM but that really solves nothing


I see people black list libiak all the time he still does what he does

BLACKHAWKGHOST wrote: no ALOT of people say BLACKLIST THEM but that really solves nothing


I see people black list libiak all the time he still does what he does

The blacklist does nothing other than giving us a place to vent. It is good though that it gives us all the heads up as to who is doing what.

Why bother to ask if you're right or wrong when you only want people to say you're right?

E*A*G*L*E wrote: Why bother to ask if you're right or wrong when you only want people to say you're right?

Nope! Not at all.

It's called a conversation. I listen to what others have to say and they listen to me. There can always be differences in opinion, that's natural and should be expected. We have all left posts without smart aleck remarks. It went well I thought.

Then once again as you often do on forum, you come and post something like this. Why do you do that? And a looootttttt I might add. I guess Hero was right in calling you a troll because you fit the description to a T.

See there are the LIBIAK ALI's of game play and the there are the EAGLE's of forum. Almost makes one wonder which is worse.

Eagle why bother commenting when everyone knows your opinion which is that's not right

Change it

In fairness to EAGLE, as I read through this thread, I kind of had the same question; however, I don't think he worded it the way I would have.

You asked "am I right or wrong, what do you say". It doesn't guarantee that you’re open to the possibility that you’re wrong, but you can see why someone would assume you hadn’t already made up your mind based on that title.

You’ve explained the situation, you’ve been polite, you have stated that you value the opinions offered, and you’ve observed that sometimes it's hard to see things when one is involved in a situation. In response, just about every reply to this thread has essentially said something along the lines of team killing is bad, don’t waste your time, switch sides or leave, don’t lower yourself to his level, don’t be a bad example to noobs, two wrongs don’t make a right, etc.

Each time, while you may have acknowledged the point as valid, you went on to explain why you were justified and were going to continue in the same manner. As you said, sometimes it's hard to see things when one is involved in a situation. Another statement which would lead us to believe you still were open to the possibility that you were wrong.

You don’t need to read the whole thread again, just read [*M]yNuts‘ reply and your reply to it. Try to do it as objectively as possible.

In your mind you are right, and it doesn’t matter what anyone else says. Any differing opinion is met with some respectful version of I agree with what you are saying here, but that’s not what I’m going to do, and here is why I’m justified to ignore it.

It seems obvious that your mind was made up before you ever started this thread, and that none of our opinions is going to change your way of thinking. Why ask am I right or wrong? From the course of this thread it seems you should have called it I’m right, I’m not wrong . . . what do you say?

S. E. Dailey wrote: In fairness to EAGLE, as I read through this thread, I kind of had the same question; however, I don't think he worded it the way I would have.

You asked "am I right or wrong, what do you say". It doesn't guarantee that you’re open to the possibility that you’re wrong, but you can see why someone would assume you hadn’t already made up your mind based on that title.

You’ve explained the situation, you’ve been polite, you have stated that you value the opinions offered, and you’ve observed that sometimes it's hard to see things when one is involved in a situation. In response, just about every reply to this thread has essentially said something along the lines of team killing is bad, don’t waste your time, switch sides or leave, don’t lower yourself to his level, don’t be a bad example to noobs, two wrongs don’t make a right, etc.

Each time, while you may have acknowledged the point as valid, you went on to explain why you were justified and were going to continue in the same manner. As you said, sometimes it's hard to see things when one is involved in a situation. Another statement which would lead us to believe you still were open to the possibility that you were wrong.

You don’t need to read the whole thread again, just read [*M]yNuts‘ reply and your reply to it. Try to do it as objectively as possible.

In your mind you are right, and it doesn’t matter what anyone else says. Any differing opinion is met with some respectful version of I agree with what you are saying here, but that’s not what I’m going to do, and here is why I’m justified to ignore it.

It seems obvious that your mind was made up before you ever started this thread, and that none of our opinions is going to change your way of thinking. Why ask am I right or wrong? From the course of this thread it seems you should have called it I’m right, I’m not wrong . . . what do you say?

My attitude towards the whole situation was that I am right in my way of handling a situation like this. When it happened the last time which lead me to making this thread I did start questioning myself and thinking am I really wrong. Like I said sometimes being in the inside one can't see it all and an outside perspective may be better.

During all the replies I did absorb what everyone had to say. I even started to think to myself that maybe I should stop doing it even though I felt like what I was doing is correct and stated in my posts that I would continue. It was everyone's replies that did stick with me even though I may not have shown it here. They were lingering in the back of my mind.

It wasn't until that flag game that I mention in one of the posts above that I knew that I was right in my decision regardless of what everyone had to say. Well at least to me. The reason for me feeling like this was because now I was the outsider looking in. When that player Donald Trump was playing like a jerk and his own teammate killed him I was soooooo appreciative towards him for team killing Trump. It was AWESOME to see that someone would step up and do what I consider is the right thing. Dailey I am not saying you definitely would but I have a pretty good feeling that if you are in a game were such an occurance happens you may be in support of it too.

Now this is what suprises me more than anything else Dailey that you may not have seen being a newer guy here. This happens a lot more than you think. There are many of us here that hate players that play like jerks. Usually a pass is granted where we allow a red to handle the player. More than half of the times even the teammates of that player get into it and team kill that player for being a jerk. It's nothing new.

Seeing this once again in that flag game reassured me in my decision making. Maybe it's not the decision all approve of but yes after seeing it once again from the outside I knew that I was content with my choice and realistically did not need to hear any further responses.

I always respond politely as you mentioned. Why shouldn't I? I invited all to respond here and they did kindly so in return I treat them with respect.

If you are not quite aware of EAGLE's responses from many prior posts in forum he often tends to stir things up and be a smart aleck (kind choice of words). That was his purpose of his response. I know him too well from seeing how he responds on other treads. That is why I was not polite to him. He didn't deserve it from me.

You on the other had state your points of disagreement and stating how you seem to think my mind is made up which at one time in thread is true, but you did it with respect. That is what a man does and I appreciate that.

You have yourself a Happy New Year and I hope to see you around.

HULK STOP READING LONG TIME AGO. TO MUCH WORDS, ME LIKE MORE PICTURES LESS WORDS. HULK GET MAD AND SMASH THINGS SOON.

Some pay to play, some wait and bide their time to play. No one wants to get into a game with a jck azz whom is in a tank, bombing his own hangers, thus, wasting someone's time and or someone' money. Eliminate the pilot and inform them he is not appreciated nor should be tolerated. SALUTE Zup, Salute Dog Fight Echo boom, Salute TFL, Salute D93 Big Gunzz, Salute Dog fight brothers, Happy New Year, Salute to honorable fair players. [TFL] alwaystrouble2

* Read this post - It should clarify some things *

No one was accusing me of playing wrong. I have taken this action many of times and never had I heard a complaint about it from anyone. I came here and made this thread by my own choice. It wasn't like I was trying to defend my actions. After the game that was mentioned with LIBIAK I was banned for 5 minutes and since I had some time to kill I found my way over to forum to see what everyone else thinks.

It was an open discussion for all to share in. I was not asking what should I do. I was asking do you believe I am right or wrong in doing what I do. Many did voice their opinion and even gave examples of what I could do. Most of the things such as switching sides to face LIBIAK as a red I have already mentioned are things I would try to do first.

I have clearly stated that only when I find no other way to stay in a game that LIBIAK is in to become a red do I take the course of action of team killing. Many were firm on stating that they believe at no times is team killing the right action to take because it's a rule of Dogfight whereas I claim I believe that there are valid times to break the rules.

What was so hard to understand? I was asking what do you all think. You gave me your opinions which I took to mind and valued especially from a certain few. I liked to hear what they had to say and how they feel about the issue. I never did say I will take your advice and follow it.

So please do not say that I ignored anyone's comments here. I even went as far to answer back to many who posted out of respect.

Yes I believe my course of action is right otherwise I would not be doing it. Asking what others think about it wasn't such a big deal until a tool comes here and decides to make it sound like something other that what it is...uhhh hummm...EAGLE.

I stand stronger than before about my actions after hearing everyone's replies especially since during the time this thread was being discussed I was able to be the outsider looking in as I mention above from the flag game. Seeing how highly I thought about that player who went out of his way to assist in dealing with a tool in the game only confirmed that yes I am right about how I feel.

*** In no did way I ever say no you are wrong for the advice that was given to me or for feeling how you do, well except for EAGLE ***

So to all that did come and voice their opinions once again I want to say thank you.

And to EAGLE I would like to say stop being such an azz on forum.

[TFL] alwaystrouble2 wrote: Some pay to play, some wait and bide their time to play. No one wants to get into a game with a jck azz whom is in a tank, bombing his own hangers, thus, wasting someone's time and or someone' money. Eliminate the pilot and inform them he is not appreciated nor should be tolerated. SALUTE Zup, Salute Dog Fight Echo boom, Salute TFL, Salute D93 Big Gunzz, Salute Dog fight brothers, Happy New Year, Salute to honorable fair players. [TFL] alwaystrouble2

Well said my brother!

Mr Bingo wrote:

ITS PRETTY SIMPLE, PLAY THE GAME TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITIES, IF YOU CANT HANDLE LIBI, MOVE ON.

Patty...WAKE UP!!!

You're missing an important lesson


Seriously speaking most of the players that can't handle LIBIAK are newer players. Most of them are also non-subribers. As alwaystrouble2 mentions who the heck wants to wait around 7 minutes again for a game when they should be having fun in the current one. Yes moving on is an option but not one many would want or should have to take.

[*M]VonHuLK wrote: HULK STOP READING LONG TIME AGO. TO MUCH WORDS, ME LIKE MORE PICTURES LESS WORDS. HULK GET MAD AND SMASH THINGS SOON.

D93 Big Gunzzz wrote: Let me apologize for making my posts long. That's just how I am. I like to explain it all in detail so everyone can get a full understanding of my point.

*** Please take the time to read this post very thoroughly ***

Grab a cup of coffee and have a seat...


I am very glad to see the responses of Talon and BlackHawkGhost.

I am actually quite suprised to see the responses from the others.

Did you all really read exactly what I was saying in my prior posts? That's why your responses are shocking to me. I know most of you players very well in how you play here and I am sure you would do the same as I am.

Are you telling me that if one of your squadmates was in a game as a red against LIBIAK ALI and you enter as LIBIAK's teammate that you would just leave the game and leave your squadmate to fend for themselves? I find that very hard to believe. Plus in my squad TFL we have many lower-mid ranks that are not as experienced as some others. Well to me every player in this game is my brother and sister and I will treat them that way unless they don't deserve it for what ever reason, such as LIBIAK.

I did mention before that I will try all I can to be a red against LIBIAK. If the conditions don't allow it I will not leave players in that game against his ways.

LEAVE A GAME??? WHERE IS THE HONOR IN THAT?

The duty of the military is to help defend those who are unable to defend themselves. When there are low ranks in a game against LIBIAK they pretty much are defenseless against him. Codes of conduct and rules? I can't believe you would rather stick to the set rules and ignore the situation at hand. As I mentioned before it would be my honor to team kill any player that chooses to play as LIBIAK ALI does.

I have reported him on a few occasions. I even sent screen shots of him bombing hangers while he was playing invisible. Trust me I tried but to no avail. Since nothing is being done about it I will continue to handle it my way.

Many of these lower level players don't know to leave a game against players like this. So what happens? They stay and get their ends handed to them. Or they play their hearts out only to have a game end on a glitch.

These glitches and other issues have been around way too long. It's obvious they are here to stay. Since some players choose to play in ways that almost all of us claim to be against I will do all that I can to make them stop in a game if I can. Blue or red. I have been doing it and it is very effective. In fact I have seen some other players to it too and these are players that have earned my respect. Not players who have good looking stats and are the ones playing in such ways. Yeah and I gotta love how many of these top ranked players are actually the ones that play this way. Even players that are least expected to do so and hide behind their actions. I get a kick out of them.

Yes two wrongs do make a right sometimes. Even if it didn't what I do definitely makes it better than just ignoring what is going on.

It's a shame that issues such as the glitches have existed in DF for this long. Or that some players can't respect others by not spawn killing.

Leave a game? Sure but soon enough someone else will enter and have to deal with LIBIAK's way.

I am glad that you have commented here. It's always a pleasure for me to hear other's points of view. Being in disagreement is ok too.

I will continue doing as I am currently. As mentioned before I see how both the reds and the blues in those games where LIBIAK ALI is present appreciate what I do. So if players feel this way then why should I just ignore being able to help them.

I know that in that 4 vs 2 game against me I would have appreciated some help from LIBIAK's teammates for him playing this way. Not getting it from them and them ignoring what was happening was worse. If they team killed him I would have given them so much respect for doing it. Them ignoring such actions earned them dishonor from me.

So I have to admit that I am quite disappointed hearing some of your reponses. To me I find no honor in ignoring a situation where I can make a difference. The honor I gained from players within these games have been proven time and time again every time I chose to team kill LIBIAK. For that, I will continue in my way.

And last, I have to say you are kidding me? What about when a player starts team killing or bombing their own hangers? Or if they curse like crazy? Don't we give the pass out to allow them to be dealt with. In fact don't we even take it a step further and assist in killing players like this even if it meant team killing? Well I have often and I have seen it done so many times.

Each and every time these players get my respect for taking this course of action. Those that do nothing about it get none from me.

Maybe this isn't such a long time frame but I have been here 8 months. In these 8 months has anyone EVER seen me do anything in a game that was even remotely unfair or that would question my playing style?

I honestly believe that if you were in a game and saw exactly how my course of action is taken against LIBIAK ALI you too would approve of it.

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You have a lot of opinions about people gunzz. I've been here 2 1/2 years only to play a few times a week. So its hard to keep my edge. In a game were someone is team killing, I will take them down, but there are times when I come up against Bubi, Libiak I leave, but not after I explain myself as to why I'm leaving. I've seen Doom do the same thing, apologize for leaving but I won't play with cheaters she says. I think that set a good example for noobs. And about me leaving a game because I would rather not play against a cheater, does that mean you find me dishonorable? Less of a player. I remember when you were a noon yourself you were a humbled pilot that had my respect and still does.However, in my short time play I refuse to give cheaters my time, and I don't want to have someone think I'm less of a pilot for doing so.One can't stop what others think so I move on.