Guys please stop fighting :.(

Bzerk,

Yes, I admit I am flaming it, and more: I admit I am doing it FOR FUN.

On other hand, some jerks don't have guts to admit that they don't care about kids from other countries, and don't admit they enjoy mking their gun-apology EVERYWHERE, no matter how bad it sounds for other people.

They say that if I feel so bad seeing gun-apology, I should just go elsewhere; so, I am sorry for you, Bzerk, and others, but I will keep asking these gun-apologists: I AM STILL WAITING... REPEAT AFTER ME... And if someone is feeling bad by reading my silly, irritating posts, I say the same: go elsewhere.



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Edit: By the way, if, from a "flaming" perspective, my posts are worse than these gun-apology posts, feel free, Zuperman or Jacob, to ban me. It will be the most laughable thing I've had on this forum - ever.

[LB] Pedrinho wrote: Bzerk,

Yes, I admit I am flaming it, and more: I admit I am doing it FOR FUN.

On other hand, some jerks don't have guts to admit that they don't care about kids from other countries, and don't admit they enjoy mking their gun-apology EVERYWHERE, no matter how bad it sounds for other people.

They say that if I feel so bad seeing gun-apology, I should just go elsewhere; so, I am sorry for you, Bzerk, and others, but I will keep asking these gun-apologists: I AM STILL WAITING... REPEAT AFTER ME... And if someone is feeling bad by reading my silly, irritating posts, I say the same: go elsewhere.



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Edit: By the way, if, from a "flaming" perspective, my posts are worse than these gun-apology posts, feel free, Zuperman or Jacob, to ban me. It will be the most laughable thing I've had on this forum - ever.

My view here upon your admission of upsetting people solely for your entertainment negates any valid point you are trying to express. How can one now believe anything you post as it could simply be you having fun with invalid views simply to be a douche bag. Your credibility has been compromised and undone by your admission.

Well put BZ ...he crapped in his own nest lmao .

I said I begun to harass some jerks AFTER seeing them begining to bully and to flee from reasonable argumentation just to try diminish me.
My credibility is in good shape with those (many) who sent me PMs and emails suporting my point of view.
I don't care seeing my credibility going down for gun-apologist's eyes.

(Just to stir the shitstorm a bit more....)

Wrong phrase. Repeat after me...

Ped

[LB] Pedrinho wrote: I said I begun to harass some jerks AFTER seeing them begining to bully and to flee from reasonable argumentation just to try diminish me.
My credibility is in good shape with those (many) who sent me PMs and emails suporting my point of view.
I don't care seeing my credibility going down for gun-apologist's eyes.

Eu já imaginava!!!!
Lamentável




AnThRaX

To CC Rider:
I already laughed with that one before. Those pictures you use are quite fun, to be honest, and I must admit they put a smile at my face.
What you don't have in argumentation, you have in acid humor, I must admit. And I like acid humor!


To Kaco:
Não entendi o que você disse lamentar... Qual parte do meu texto você imaginava, e qual parte você lamenta?

Traduzindo meu último post pro Kaco:

"Eu disse que comecei a importunar os sacanas DEPOIS de ver os caras começarem a fazer bullying e fugir da discussão inteligente, tentando me diminuir com ofensas.
Minha credibilidade continua boa entre aqueles (muitos) que me enviaram PMs e emails apoiando meu ponto de vista.
Não me importo de ver minha credibilidade cair aos olhos dos que fazem apologia ao uso de armas."

Qual parte você lamenta, Kaco?

BTW Ped,

I feel that I answered you question, but your way of putting it is quite leading. It's like asking "Will you stop playing dogfight so you can spend more time with your family, or do you just not care that much about them?" There is more to it than just yes or no. In my experience, for instance, guns are both a threat for "domestic tranquility" and an instrument of providing it. It is definitely a dilemma. I find it interesting to see how different countries handle it. The US and many other cultures have made many new rules and some progress has been made on gun safety. The changes that occur are due to conversation. Flaming makes everything more difficult.

[NLR] McFate wrote: Hey Ped,

I understand your sentiments here but I completely disagree about whether or not it is appropriate to talk about guns here. The way I see it is that this is a quasi-historical war game. Every moment you are in-game you have control of a "firearm" and you either use it against the enemy or the enemy uses one against you.

Saying that a discussion on the forum is out of place because it exposes anyone to guns is just silly. If this were a car racing game I might agree with you but not here. There are many opportunities to speak about weapons and the development of weaponry without going off topic. Even speaking about arms control is appropriate as many armistice laws went into effect at the end of the war. If you would like to make your points about media encouraging weapon use you are free to do so, but please understand that people are free to discuss weapons here and it is not off-topic to do so on this forum.

That's my point: this forum is not the proper place to have such conversations, that's my humble opinion. There is NO REASON to see things "more dificult", because they shouldn't even be here. It's dificult for a USA (or Australian) citizen to think out-of-the-box, giving the fact that they GREW UP living with this gun-on-civilian-hands culture their entire lives. I don't blame you guys for that. And as I said, I quit arguing about wheather its good or bad this way of life. I just asked if people would be nice, kind and reasonable enough to avoid this subject on a worldwide gaming forum.

But I see that not only people are not whiling to be nice to other countrie's kids, but they even punch their chests and say "f*** of, you vegan, we do what we want with the worlds, we talk what we want anywhere".

By the way, I am not a vegan - for the record.

Well then I guess that the answer for me is "No". But not because I don't care about the kids who come here.

[LB] Pedrinho wrote: To CC Rider:
I already laughed with that one before. Those pictures you use are quite fun, to be honest, and I must admit they put a smile at my face.
What you don't have in argumentation, you have in acid humor, I must admit. And I like acid humor!


To Kaco:
Não entendi o que você disse lamentar... Qual parte do meu texto você imaginava, e qual parte você lamenta?

Traduzindo meu último post pro Kaco:

"Eu disse que comecei a importunar os sacanas DEPOIS de ver os caras começarem a fazer bullying e fugir da discussão inteligente, tentando me diminuir com ofensas.
Minha credibilidade continua boa entre aqueles (muitos) que me enviaram PMs e emails apoiando meu ponto de vista.
Não me importo de ver minha credibilidade cair aos olhos dos que fazem apologia ao uso de armas."

Qual parte você lamenta, Kaco?

Você entendeu meu caro, deixa eu explicar

Esse jogo de personagens e mentiras!!!

Me deixe eu fazer uma pergunta, quantas contas você tem?




AnThRaX

Personagens e mentiras?

Vixe mainha, Kaco. De onde você está tirando isso?

Sobre as "contas", tenho duas: essa (LB Pedrinho, com a qual cheguei a moraf há algum tempo), que ainda uso no Forum, e a "Playing Mantis", que criei no jogo pra recomeçar do zero, logo que cheguei a moraf com a conta anterior. Todos sabem disso. Ainda não entendi o que está te aborrecendo.
Se você chama isso de personagem, dê o nome que quiser. Todos sabem da minha segunda conta.
Já sobre as tais mentiras, a que você está se referindo? Pra me chamar de mentiroso, tem que mostrar que mentira eu falei. Senão você vai ser motivo de piada.

I've read a lot of these posts on this thread and I feel that I have to agree with one side over the other. It's true, this is just a game, but it's a game about the First World War and as such we are shooting people and blowing things up in the context of the game. We talk about the effectiveness of the actual planes versus the games versions as well as many of us wanting more 'realistic' graphics showing trench lines and strafing convoys and troops and blowing up trains and observation balloons.. (which of course had observers in them, the 1st soldiers to be issued parachutes as far as I know!)

So in the context of this 'war game' I don't see a problem with talking about weapons in general or particular weapons in specifics. If this were the Candy Crush forum or something I could see a problem with it.. but it's not. It's a forum for the game of Dogfight.. the very name of the game tells you that violence and mayhem is part of the game as well as you're not flying around to look at the pretty clouds and vistas visible from the air. I expect that other war game forums probably have similar threads and as well probably have similar arguments lol!

Bottom Line is: This is zuperman's forum and if he had a problem with what we are talking about he would just say so. So far as I know the only subjects he doesn't want to see on the forum is anything to do with religion and anything promoting other games..

Obrigado



AnThRaX

Kaco. wrote: Obrigado

Ou você me explica o que quis dizer com as tais "mentiras", ou você retira o que escreveu.

ZebraUp wrote: I've read a lot of these posts on this thread and I feel that I have to agree with one side over the other. It's true, this is just a game, but it's a game about the First World War and as such we are shooting people and blowing things up in the context of the game. We talk about the effectiveness of the actual planes versus the games versions as well as many of us wanting more 'realistic' graphics showing trench lines and strafing convoys and troops and blowing up trains and observation balloons.. (which of course had observers in them, the 1st soldiers to be issued parachutes as far as I know!)

So in the context of this 'war game' I don't see a problem with talking about weapons in general or particular weapons in specifics. If this were the Candy Crush forum or something I could see a problem with it.. but it's not. It's a forum for the game of Dogfight.. the very name of the game tells you that violence and mayhem is part of the game as well as you're not flying around to look at the pretty clouds and vistas visible from the air. I expect that other war game forums probably have similar threads and as well probably have similar arguments lol!

Bottom Line is: This is zuperman's forum and if he had a problem with what we are talking about he would just say so. So far as I know the only subjects he doesn't want to see on the forum is anything to do with religion and anything promoting other games..

It worries me when people don't recognize the HUGE difference between real life and gaming, Zebra...
In your opinion, a guy who plays a game about war planes may talk freely about the guns he have. In the same line of thought, it would be acceptable seeing a guy who plays a rogue on a Role Playing Fantasy Game talking about real lockpicking techniques on a forum? Just a silly analogy, I know, but I am in a rush. Hope you got the point.

It's simple guns are good in a trusted individuals hands as a good gun is need to counter a bad gun

[LB] Pedrinho wrote:

Kaco. wrote: Obrigado

Ou você me explica o que quis dizer com as tais "mentiras", ou você retira o que escreveu.

Ta, deixa me expressar melhor



É lamentável

Você perguntou:
O que é Lamentável?

Eu escrevi
Esse jogo de personagens e mentiras

Não escrevi
Esse seu jogo de personagens e metiras


Diante do fórum, todos são bonzinhos

Alias, sobre seus post, concordo com seu ponto de vista, sobre mostrar imagens de armas aqui no fórum.
E discordo de você, quando você diz se divertir, discutindo com os jogadores aqui no fórum.
Achei meio contraditório sua opinião.


Então, te fiz uma pergunta

Quantas Contas você tem?
Você me respondeu:2 contas

OK

Obrigado por me responder



AnThRaX

Ped why do you have to lie . Nobody told you f*** off you vegan . You are an exaggerator in every context . Zebra is right with what he says . This thread was just about gun control laws . Nothing else nothing less . Everyone on this df game is entitled to state their oppinion . You are not entitled to demand everybody makes statements they havnt made ....repeat after me ....why the hell would we . Are you some kind of control freak ....it is starting to look that way . Being a control freak can cause issues in your personal life . God forbid that would ever happen . Adjust yourself and go look in the mirror and remind yourself you are not the centre of the universe . Or DF for that matter .

I would love to have a gun when thieves come around my yard in the middle of the night, but i will feel so bad when this same gun kill some kid at the school.

And Zebra is right, this is Zupperland, you can do whatever you want here, until he say: Enough!

Hey ped, u need to wacth the movie CITY OF GOD. And it's just a movie based on a true story. That is Brazil for u great place.

Why the AR 15 is so dangerous:

* The inventor of the AR-15 was Satan, though his patent has since expired.
* Scientists have confirmed the deadly effects of an AR-15 by giving it to a chimpanzee, who then murdered them with it.
* Scientists agree that each year the AR-15 will grow more deadly until it kills everyone in the entire world.
* Some believe that Hitler was in fact an AR-15 in a rubber mask.
* In the Garden of Eden, God gave Adam and Eve access to every firearm out there except for the AR-15 which he told them not to touch because it was too evil. But then the NRA, in the guise of a serpent, told Eve that the AR-15 is really fun to shoot. So then Eve took the AR-15 and started shooting all the animals in the garden because she is one awesome chick.
* The part that makes the AR-15 so extra deadly is the handle on top. The AR-15 would be used in less murders if it were more inconvenient to carry.
* It was an AR-15 that told Miley Cyrus to dance like that.
* Bullets that are normally harmless will kill instantly when fired out of the AR-15.
* The reason AR-15s have that prominent handle on them is because the most requested feature for an assault rifle was to be able to carry it like a Hello Kitty lunch box.
* If you find yourself surrounded by AR-15's, know that they will fire automatically if they sense fear.
* The AR-15 is easily concealable and can fit inside a matchbox.
* The AR-15 is the leading cause of global warming from how its bullets shoot holes in the ozone.
* A very small percentage of gun deaths are attributed to the AR-15 because it is very good at disguising itself as other guns to frame them.
* What are the differences between an M16 and an AR-15? Scientists agree that it is something.
* The AR-15 can be rendered harmless by giving it only a 10 round magazine as people always miss with the first ten rounds and an AR-15 takes an hour and a half to reload.
* The AR-15 can shoot through schools.
* In a battle between Aquaman and an AR-15, Aquaman would break down and buy it so people might think he’s more manly.
* There were no shooting deaths until the invention of an AR-15. No one even considered using a gun to shoot another human being until someone saw an AR-15 and said, “I bet I could use this to kill a lot of people.”
* There was an assault musket similar to the AR-15 used by the world’s most evil pirates, but it was pronounced “Arrr-15.”
* The Assault Weapon ban was needed because it is well known that an AR-15 with both a pistol grip and a flash suppressor would be unstoppable by any modern military.
* In Europe there is no such thing as an AR-15 and thus also no such thing as murders. Instead of being violent, people there just drink wine and smoke cigarettes all day.
* If you are shot by an AR-15, you become one and kill others.
* The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.

tailzz,vip wrote: Hey ped, u need to wacth the movie CITY OF GOD. And it's just a movie based on a true story. That is Brazil for u great place.

There are so many good movies about Brazil, do a research and you will find it.I also watch TV and there are lot of movies about America that made me think Brazil is a great place to live.
And by the way, who sold those guns to those people in City of God?Who made those guns?

[*M] CC RIDER wrote: Ped why do you have to lie . Nobody told you f*** off you vegan.

Now you are calling me a liar? The fact that you didn't read it don't give you the right to call me a liar. I received some emails and lots of PMs. By the way, 3 emails and 8 PMs, from 9 different forum members. The only one who didn't say kind words and supported me told me to f*** off.

So, before calling others liars, you should first ask.

Still waiting...

OK, shall we call this a wrap?
Everyone's position is clear, and I don't think anyone has any appetite for counter arguments, so shall we let this one lie for a while? I love the rough and tumble of combative debate, and I don't hide my feelings about particular issues. But also I don't mind being contradicted and ridiculed so long as it's factual, witty and clever. However, I think this is getting a bit personal. The last few posts have turned this thread into subjective trench warfare.
I agree with Pedrinho's argument, but of course I can't entirely refute the counter arguments. I'm happy to joust with both, but I'm not happy to see attacks on people's integrity and morality.
So, no more f*** off. How bout some f*** yeah! - we're different cultures, different politics, different races and religions, different nationalities, but we all like this stupid game, because it's fun and brings us together.
From a reformed flamer....lol

tailzz,vip wrote: Hey ped, u need to wacth the movie CITY OF GOD. And it's just a movie based on a true story. That is Brazil for u great place.

Oh, the ignorance. People who doesn't study geography, and doesn't read enough, grows up thinking that in Transilvania its populated by vampires, thinking that Bolivia has only Coca trees, thinking that Brazil has only slums. Lame.

And wow!!! Is there a movie called City of God??? Don't say it!!!!!! I am astonished!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never heard of it before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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And I will obey my (defunct squad) Looney Bin boss (Biggs): I will stop this silly-childish-offense-trading game.

You guys keep doing your silly assumptions about me, and about my country. I will just laugh from now on.

Thanks, Ronnie. We missed you, buddy!