Okay, seriously i understand others frustration with this, it frustrates me as well, but the people who drop at takeoff on bombing missions arent gonna stop even if you do something as drastic as teamkilling them. Despit the fact that some may consider playing with these people on team as a lack of integrity, it may be that the droppers teammates may not realize that the person is dropping on take off, before you go off on red's for having a lack of integrity and honor please keep in mind that they may not realize a team member is dropping. Im not upset at you chef, as a matter of fact i thank you for pointing out that situation, i dealt with it in the drastic way, and gave him a third warning and said if he should drop again i would leave so not to sacrifice what honor and integrity i have left... he dropped and i left. i will not go back on my word if it means that i sacrifice my honor or integrity, and if i ever do so i would ask that a player who sees me do this would tell me so that i may correct my mistakes.

Once again thank you Chef for pointing out the unseen flaw in that certain player.

Good for you MERF. I agree with what you said. When a player decides to drop all bombs in a bombing game it turns into a long game of dog fight because then others will do the same to keep up with the dropper. Had a game like this that lasted 1 1/2 hours and only 1 hanger on each side was taken out.

We all had enough of it and left.

The tip on knowing if someone has dropped even if you didn't see them drop is the speed that they are flying. Sometimes it's hard to tell if a guy drops just 1 bomb, but if they drop 2, you can tell immediately. It looks like an eagle chasing a pigeon.

Well sometimes its tactical ill drop so I can protect someone with a bomb like protec the carrier (and most of the time I die anyways lolz

Some may disagree...but this is the way I see it..if your in a bombing mission, yes you should keep your bomb as long as possible. One the other hand there have been times I was going against a few players with much better planes and I dropped to protect my base. That same game I had a moraf complaining about it even though his plane was just as fast as mine even though he still had a bomb. Sometimes I drop in order to get to the other side of the map so I can get shot down and tank the hangers or carrier. Now of course if your dropping just for stats like Charles or quark..that is lame and should be opposed..but an occasional drop or dropping to defend other planes is fine from my perspective.

Well put Mclovin, i do have to say that a while ago i did start doing the drop to get shot down and tank, but then i realized i wasnt getting anywhere with the tank theory either so i droped that and just kept my bombs. In a few games lately i have dropped at base to protect it from incoming reds when there was no way to get them before they were to drop if i didnt drop mine, for instance, we all know Bubi... although he tends to be a waste of time, effort, and bullets, i dropped on a few occasions last night in a game with him because he was hovering directly above base...

You should try to win the game without breaking any rules.

If that means that you should keep your bombs and use them to take out hangars, great.
If that means that you should use them to take out enemy tanks, great.
If that means that you should drop and protect your hangars, great.
If that means that you should drop your bombs to take out other droppers, great.
If that means that you should drop and escort team mates who are bombing, great.
If that means that you should keep your bombs and fool the reds with a sneak attack, great.
If that means that you should watch out for missing reds in case they may be sneaking, great.

Trying to win does not include dropping in a bombing game just to rack up kills.
Trying to win does not include complaining about how other people play.
Trying to win does not include limiting the possibilities.
Trying to win does not include trying to make new rules about how other people play.
Trying to win does not mean using the same strategy every single time.

So, is there another goal in a bombing game besides trying to win? If your answer is that everyone should play the way that complainers want the game to be played, you are asking for something similar to having everyone only listen to the same type of music or to only eat the same types of food.

Play the game as you see fit. If you don't like what someone else is doing, figure out how to counter it. Otherwise this may not be the game for you.

MERFYNMERN wrote: Okay, seriously i understand others frustration with this, it frustrates me as well, but the people who drop at takeoff on bombing missions arent gonna stop even if you do something as drastic as teamkilling them. Despit the fact that some may consider playing with these people on team as a lack of integrity, it may be that the droppers teammates may not realize that the person is dropping on take off, before you go off on red's for having a lack of integrity and honor please keep in mind that they may not realize a team member is dropping. Im not upset at you chef, as a matter of fact i thank you for pointing out that situation, i dealt with it in the drastic way, and gave him a third warning and said if he should drop again i would leave so not to sacrifice what honor and integrity i have left... he dropped and i left. i will not go back on my word if it means that i sacrifice my honor or integrity, and if i ever do so i would ask that a player who sees me do this would tell me so that i may correct my mistakes.

Once again thank you Chef for pointing out the unseen flaw in that certain player.

no probs,u took action against him when pointed out to u,if all players did this and not USE THE ADVANTAGE of a dropper,this game would be better for it.I say 'WELL SAID' more in this game need to think the same !!

ITS CALLED TANK LURKING...WICH I CALL LAME ..BUT THATS A MATTER OF OPINION..LOL..TY MEAN FOKKER

|111th| Mr.McLovin wrote: Some may disagree...but this is the way I see it..if your in a bombing mission, yes you should keep your bomb as long as possible. One the other hand there have been times I was going against a few players with much better planes and I dropped to protect my base. That same game I had a moraf complaining about it even though his plane was just as fast as mine even though he still had a bomb. Sometimes I drop in order to get to the other side of the map so I can get shot down and tank the hangers or carrier. Now of course if your dropping just for stats like Charles or quark..that is lame and should be opposed..but an occasional drop or dropping to defend other planes is fine from my perspective.

Don't really see a problem with dropping. I rarely do myself and it can be frustrating but it is what it is. Sometimes I have dropped by accident. I want to win all my games and to that end keep my bomb if I need it. In a game with many players I think a few droppers are cool to protect their bombers. Also it is sometimes necessary to protect your base

So when said dropper drops to protect the bombers, and his bombers get shot down, does he return to the base and re-escort? Or continue onward for an all out dogfight in which the game is perpetually stagnant then?

I don't care for droppers all but one I've ever met are only out to pad their stats .only one has ever dropped and escorted me in to the base of ship and that is only when it's me and him against four or five reds .most of the time droppers on my side only get me killed or cost me points by jumping out ahead and flying in front of me so they get the kills first .their not there to escort me just shoot down guys with bombs . And everyone of them no matter how long the game has been going on for gives a rat's ass how the game was being played to start with .even when asked by their own team to leave they stay .to me that shows no respect for anyone playing .

Skeeter72{WP***} wrote: So when said dropper drops to protect the bombers, and his bombers get shot down, does he return to the base and re-escort? Or continue onward for an all out dogfight in which the game is perpetually stagnant then?

Agreed brother skeeter, although i have never witnessed a dropper do an escort, more or less like was said below about going ahead just to get kills. If you drop to do escort, the least you could do is have courtesy to double back if your bombers have been killed, in order to reload and continue your escort once more.

Skeeter72{WP***} wrote: So when said dropper drops to protect the bombers, and his bombers get shot down, does he return to the base and re-escort? Or continue onward for an all out dogfight in which the game is perpetually stagnant then?

No. It isn't perpetually stagnant.

Think about it:
If everyone in the middle has dropped, that is when you sneak or at least split up.
If the blue bombers split up, the dropper has to turn his back on some of his enemies to go after one. Use your bomb-laden, more stable shooting platform to it's best advantage.


Letting droppers "ruin" your bombing game because all you want to do is go up the middle is like always playing "rock" and complaining when someone else plays "paper" instead of being a sucker and always playing "scissors".

I always carry and like bombing hangars--hey, they burn when hit. The ONLY time I will drop is when someone is camping--then it's on!

If I'm in a game where all are dropping, I leave as well. Hard to when a game with no bomb unless it's a DF or that CTF.

Yeah I agree with you all Merf .. Droppers should stick to just dog fighting or capture flag if thats what they want to do .. I dont say anything any more as it is pointless ..UQAB dropped against us all last night in a good game and we never said the word dropper . He was the only one doing this and we knew he was a douche bag so nothing needed to be said . I told doggy dix the other night not to camp as he had already dropped his bomb and we were out numbered ..he straight away accused me of calling him a dropper .. No doggy i was accusing you of unfairly camping and i did say please dont camp . I give up trying to advise players any more and just lose respect for those who continually look for easy points . So that is all folks i will just respect those who earn it and keep my peace with those who wish to demonstrate that they are not to be trusted in life . What you do in this game is a reflection of who you are in life ...have a look at people like HULK , MK , MERF , DAVEY , B52 , TR , GAW , B STRACHAN , 1001 , And the list goes on VON KILNER , ETC ...There are so many pilots out there leading by example so I wont go on I will just leave it up to you as an individual . FURY , RAHUL , DIREWOLF , SCHLASTA , ... Many good pilots as I say .

Unless I have an amazing team, I drop 1 of 2 if I'm flying a plane that has 2.

Jacob10000 wrote: Unless I have an amazing team, I drop 1 of 2 if I'm flying a plane that has 2.

Oh Jacob!

Now none of the "honorable" squads will want you.

Doggy spin it any way you want.....i asked you with a please to not camp on us as you had already dropped your bomb . Yes you bombed a hanger but then you spawn killed me before i left runway . We were out numbered and even when i took off the second time there wasnt a plane on my radar ...but have it your way if it makes you feel better .. Cheers .

I've got it!

The one sure way to make sure no one gets their game ruined by droppers! As soon as you drop your last bomb you immediately respawn! Oh what fun!

That's the problem with Dogfight, there are just too many options. It's no fun when people can play different styles because it gets all messy and unpredictable. What we need is no options. You take off, fly straight to the enemy hangars and bomb, repeat. Maybe reds and blues should alternate who wins. That way no one can take any unfair advantage of the other team . The game started off with only one plane available for each side with only one bomb and only the "destroy enemy airfield" game option. Everyone was even then. All that extra stuff just complicated things.

Woah Woah Woah guys, come on i didnt throw this post on the forum for you two to dispute and bicker at eachother, and you both have been playing much longer than i so i am quite sure you both know better, if you feel like arguing thats your business not everybody elses, be honorable pilots in and out of the skies and please take this to one anothers inbox if you are going to fight. Doggy Dix, and CC, it is better to have posted on here for the sole purpose of talking about droppers and how they ruin the game, if you are going to sit here and argue with eachother over who did what wrong, then im going to have to ask you to stop using my thread for your dispute.

Thank you
MERFYNMERN {WP}

All this talk about honour.. Let me ask you all a question. If everyone flew with honour on this game and abided by the rules, how much fun would this game be? My answer / opinion is that this game would be alot more boring. Most of the Gossip threads are about droppers. Now i am a dropper. Thats undoubtedly known. But there are times i fly with honor. And i say "at times" because the only honourable way to fly, according to most pilots, is to carry your bombs at all times in a bombing mission. I say thats some horseshit. Pushing back an enemy advancement may cause you to drop your bomb. We have 4v4 games and we have team chat. If an enemy drops you should assign someone on your team to drop as well. Usually i anounce when i drop my bombs because it gives a heads up to the reds. And if the reds are unable to adjust to the situation then they are all sitting ducks and my 3 dombers thats carrying 3-6 bombs WILL make it to the bombing designation. We cant sit here day by day talking about droppers. If you wanna beat a dropper, you must become a dropper. Because one thing us droppers hate is flying into a game and having to face against a better, faster, more agile dropper.. AND THATS FACTS PEOPLE. Also, who said that if one person cant kill the dropper, the whole opposing team has to drop? Thats just bad decision making. When i drop, youll only see me because my bombers wont be in sight til its time to do what they came to do. So lets quit this constant bickering about droppers and adapt to the damn game! WWI pilots adapted.. thats why they had "fighter" & "bomber" planes. And last time i checked. Every dogfight plane is designed from an actual wwi fighter plane.

Hand passing over head with swishing sound!

MICHAEL KANE.. wrote: Hand passing over head with swishing sound!

You mean:



?

Have two seaters as bombers. Like the DH4.
One player flying it, and when looking around having a crosshair of the rear gunner position on the screen to shoot at the attacking fighter. Double machine guns for the rear gun sight, just as front full view.

Thaddl teachem!

Ok I was in a game last night one guy dropped so one guy dropped so another drops and so on .the whole damn game turned into a dog fight .so I went wide snuck around the mess and bombed .next thing I know I'm being bitched at by the red team for sneaking so what was I supposed to fly down the middle and face four droppers .all the droppers want is easy kills if you do.t fight their way they star crying that you cheated for going around them .so I think the droppers can just blow it out their ass end .us bomber guy want to fly our way but when we don't fly like the droppers want they have a hissy fit

darraxx wrote: Ok I was in a game last night one guy dropped so one guy dropped so another drops and so on .the whole damn game turned into a dog fight .so I went wide snuck around the mess and bombed .next thing I know I'm being bitched at by the red team for sneaking so what was I supposed to fly down the middle and face four droppers .all the droppers want is easy kills if you do.t fight their way they star crying that you cheated for going around them .so I think the droppers can just blow it out their ass end .us bomber guy want to fly our way but when we don't fly like the droppers want they have a hissy fit

Sounds to me like your game was "ruined" by the bitching and crying.

Something that all the bitching complainers who I've been arguing with a this time never seem to understand I that my main complaint is against the whiners.. They are the true game ruiners. Whatever someone does in the game there is always a way to counter it except for the whining. It poisons the attitude of everyone in the game.

The problem that I ran into originally was that people consistently accused me of dropping when I rarely did. The reason I started posting on all these threads was to try to talk some sense into these bitches. The language used to be civil, now some of these whiners are considering it honorable to whine profanities and insults and try to brow beat others to play the way they want.

STFU.

You "bitching" complainers are the game ruiners. Are you too stupid to realize that there are other valid ways to play the game and that no one owes you anything and that everyone can play the game as they see fit, the way Zuperman intends it?

Really. Complaining is one thing but this bitching has reached a new level. The bashing here really is against the official rules. Yes, there really are rules against bashing, not against dropping.

I'm not going to continue "counter- bashing" (lol) like this but I do want to say that the "bitches" are the least honorable, least inspiring most narrow minded jerks in the game, even worse than the spawnkillers.

Cry or fly.

Okay, rant over.

Just so you know mcfate the game I was in was going on for 45 minutes we were all having fun chatting back and forth we had a good battle going on not just up the middle but all over .then just because one moron comes in and says he's going to dog fight forcing others to play his way that is what ruins games not just the bitching that's is what we are complaining about .
So have your little rant and pull your head out of your butt and actually understand what we've been saying .it wasn't just our team that asked him to carry but his own team asked him .all we got was I want to dog fight .so put that in your bag pipe and smoke it

darraxx wrote: ...next thing I know I'm being bitched at....if you do.t fight their way they star crying that you cheated... just blow it out their ass....when we don't fly like (they) want they have a hissy fit

Do you even know which end you are blowing it out of?

You're having a hissy fit trying to tell others how to fly and complaining that others are having a hissy fit because you won't fly the way the way they want you to.

If someone comes into a game and starts doing something different then what you want, they still have not broken any rules. If you want to leave, fine. If you want to complain, that's also your right. But tell me, is whining the "honorable" thing to do?

You can cool your britches a bit rabbit. None of your bitching has ever helped anything. Your discussions are fine but no need to cross the line.


BTW: although the original poster was against dropping, the point of his post was to try to quell some of the complaining. Thanks for your efforts MERFYNMERN, it is unfortunate that so many whine and complain even when they don't know what's really happening. If people would just play and adapt we could have more good times without people getting so offensive or offended.

MERFYNMERN wrote: ... before you go off on red's for having a lack of integrity and honor please keep in mind that they may not realize a team member is dropping. ...

Look, i said this to CC and Doggy Dix the other day, Mcfate and Mr Rabbit you guys are doing the exact same thing I asked those other two men not to. Quit picking apart eachothers arguments and using the parts you pull out to make it seem like you are right, its immature, and it makes you just as corrupt as any politician or papparazzi in this world, the bias needs to stop, i think we can all agree that droppers are a nuisance that we will have to learn to deal with because they arent going to stop and they arent gonna leave either, its gonna just continue to happen. Mr SkyStorm made this quite clear on his own accord, and we appreciate your honesty, it almost makes me believe you have more integrity than many pilots who dont drop. So go ahead and drop your bombs, keep your bombs, do whatever the hell you want as long as it doesnt go against zups guidelines, just quit the immaturity, we are all respectful people in this game, all you have to do is look past your damn differences, quit being so stubborn, and grow the hell up. I realize my use of profanity is probably appaling at times, but there are people on here who just dont get it when things are put nicely, and as i said before, argue if you wish, but not on my damn thread, take it to your own privacy known as private messages, quit bitching at eachother as to who is right and who is worng, that isnt what i posted this thread for at all. I dont mind a spin off topic from the droppers, but dont take it into a personal matter you have with another pilot.

Thanks again

MERFYNMERN {WP}

Hey bud, it's an open thread.

I think you have some great points but you're posting on one of the most contentious issues in the game. Unfortunately you're going to attract the bitching.

Your effort to help cool things down is great!