Longrifle wrote: The solution is to tighten up the tilt turn radius to match the PC one, by allowing the slider to adjust to get full aileron before having to hold the device behind your head. Once there is no advantage, then at worst a dropper will spin endlessly until he tries to shoot a laden plane, and then he will get smoked. I used to be able to chase certain famous droppers out of the game, now with the slower planes, multiple hits and lag it isn't so easy anymore. I've got to the point where I'll just slam the ground rather than let a PC dropper shoot me down, and usually try to ram them head on so they don't get the dvantage to begin with. What a fun game, huh? I've emailed Zup, and right now I have a lit fuze as to how long I'm going to be around as I'm tired of all the excuses, promises, and bullshit game play for the repetitive cost. For a few bucks, one time, I've played a similar game that has twice as many aircraft, no perpetual lag, and an even playing field. If they would get chat and a baord I would never come here.

Amen.

I hear that all the time but really players on PC don't turn any tighter than those not on PC.. they just turn IMMEDIATELY if they're using arrow keys (not so if they're using a joystick or controller) the circumference of the turn is the same for everyone providing they're in the same plane with same levels. So the advantage goes to them over others IF the other player doesn't anticipate the turning.

darraxx wrote: .there are four no bombing games let them play those so we can play ours

Well... To be honest with you, I really don't like the bombing games. I prefer the non bombing missions. If we could choose which games we enter, then there wouldn't be much of this problem anymore.

ZebraUp wrote: I hear that all the time but really players on PC don't turn any tighter than those not on PC.. they just turn IMMEDIATELY if they're using arrow keys (not so if they're using a joystick or controller) the circumference of the turn is the same for everyone providing they're in the same plane with same levels. So the advantage goes to them over others IF the other player doesn't anticipate the turning.

Practically it's a turn radius advantage, because I can't get to 100 percent.

I'll tell you what Zeeb, let's settle this. Go install the game on your phone, select tilt control and you will shi7 your pants the first time you come up against a pc opponent. No matter who it is on a pc if they get past I'm down in two turns, any direction. Swirl past, follow pipper, I'm in flames. I'm simply asking for parity. Let me shorten the span of the tilt turn to get to 100 percent on the flaps at some point within reason. It is more pronounced now than ever, because before I could hit a swirler twice at range, but I can't get enough hits in time with the new requirements. It's not that i suck at turn fighting, I've went up against the best on similar platforms and always held my own. Now I don't give a rat's ass to try when I know I'm beat in two turns.

darraxx wrote: I'm.liking sir kanes.idea about the time after dropping all your bombs you either carry or lose points and kills for not carrying

Also I forgot to add this in my last post how many times have guys been fighting head on and a dropper shows up in the game .even when asked by his own team to carry or leave they stay .they don't try to help.anyone but just fly around ahoothing the bombers only to pad their own stats even if the game has been going on for a bit and asked to leave by their own team just after they show up their response is always why don't you go find another game .that's not even showing any type of respect to anyone that's I'll.do whatever the **** I want and **** you all those are the morons that we hate that ruin games .

And if you ever noticed just about every dropper can't head on fight they can't really dog fight with the real dog fighters so this is the path they choose

I was in a game earlier with a guy, TBF CSK I think his name was, that kept dropping and then said "what's wrong with dropping?" These people tend to not have real skill and only want to pat their stats with an unfair advantage. I will drop to match them, but I really hate that I have to drop in a BTH or BTC mission. Bombs are for hangers and carriers (or the occasional tank).

Longrifle wrote:

ZebraUp wrote: I hear that all the time but really players on PC don't turn any tighter than those not on PC.. they just turn IMMEDIATELY if they're using arrow keys (not so if they're using a joystick or controller) the circumference of the turn is the same for everyone providing they're in the same plane with same levels. So the advantage goes to them over others IF the other player doesn't anticipate the turning.

Practically it's a turn radius advantage, because I can't get to 100 percent.

I'll tell you what Zeeb, let's settle this. Go install the game on your phone, select tilt control and you will shi7 your pants the first time you come up against a pc opponent. No matter who it is on a pc if they get past I'm down in two turns, any direction. Swirl past, follow pipper, I'm in flames. I'm simply asking for parity. Let me shorten the span of the tilt turn to get to 100 percent on the flaps at some point within reason. It is more pronounced now than ever, because before I could hit a swirler twice at range, but I can't get enough hits in time with the new requirements. It's not that i suck at turn fighting, I've went up against the best on similar platforms and always held my own. Now I don't give a rat's ass to try when I know I'm beat in two turns.

Well Longrifle I actually have played this game using my friend's tablet.. I was just as deadly dogfighting with the tablet as with my laptop, although I had to work much harder at it and landings were a pain in the butt. I was able to do this dogfighting by ANTICIPATING the turns BEFORE the reds did them.. which guessing wrong left me a few times with my butt hanging in the wind with only severe maneuvers allowing me to stay alive. It's true what they say that dogfighting with a tilt device makes you look like a dancer on crack lol! I agree that it's MUCH TOUGHER than doing the same thing with a PC.. but it can be done. Just look at Ziza's or Blue MaX's KDRs.. not on PC.. same goes for some other legendary dogfighters here.. not on PC.
Just saying..

Zebra it's time.you give up your there's no advantage bs .everyone in the game that has a pc or a phone will tell you straight up there is a huge difference.and besides this topic is about dropping in bombing missions something I've seen many of your squad do .I know that you don't play bombing game because you can out turn everyone with a bomb .we have been down this raod before so if you please let us discuss this topic between ourselves and zup thank you.we don't need this thread going off topic

And.just to be clear zebra this is about all droppers not just the pc players if the dam.droppers stayed out of bombing missions this thread would not exist.

Have zuperman change the game in btb and btc where the bomb will only release in a preset distance from the enemy target. That should solve the problem and would be fair for defending also. No more dumping.
This however will not stop camping after bombing, maybe your guns get jammed if inside this area with no bomb. Your not able to shoot till you vacate said area.
To stop guys crashing into the ground after bombing, points worth more than their bomb run should be deducted. Can only crash into ground halfway to your own base.

The other good idea was to lower the sensitivity for pc players and even things out
I rember a certain pilot begging zup to fix that because he lost the super turning ability

Zebra u r full of chet,how can u say there is no advantage im tired of hearing that. If i was on pc i would say yes there is and so what. Atleast be honest cause what u say peeps belive,and let me tell u your wrong. Anyways atleast 69% of the problem with dogfight is due to pc and rhe.player's

Sting Ray70 wrote:

E*A*G*L*E wrote: We could just send Sting Ray after Bubi, and then see what he thinks about droppers.

Actually, I went against him today and he had 2 bombs and I still couldn't get him off my 6! I know he had them cuz he bombed 2 of the hangars!

Oh and I forgot to mention, this happened when I was bombless!

If somebody is taking off and has a bunch of reds entering his territory and no assistance, he HAS to drop to make himself more maneuverable to defend the base. So a "dropping penalty" would be rather unfair.

Sting Ray like.was.said no one has a problem white dropping your bombs when your out numbered when it's tow against six or one against four .understand it's the guys the get into the games like bubi that all they are there for is to pad their stats they don't care if the game has been going on for some time they don't care if their own team asks them to carry or leave the game they don't actually help their team it's all about them and screw everyone else .how would you like to be alone and five guys are dropping against just you and their sneaking to get behind you and pin your butt to the runway they might let you get your wheels of the ground and tell you it's not spawn killing .drillers are ruining the bombing games .it's been going on long enough now it's old and pathetic

darraxx wrote: And.just to be clear zebra this is about all droppers not just the pc players if the dam.droppers stayed out of bombing missions this thread would not exist.

That's just it though, how does one "stay out" of a bombing mission? You're put into them automatically.

Darraxx- but if one person wants to drop to escort the bombers...? I mean that's a tactic... It's a big debate and there's no one or easy solution.

The only 2 easy solutions I can think of are:

1) Take bombs out of the game and use bullets to destroy bases.

or

2) Let the planes fly the same with or without a bomb.

We would all love the plane to act just the same sting Ray that way we could all play every mission .but the fact is not all the planes are the same .and staying out of a bombing mission is easy you don't want to bomb don't fly that mission there are other servers .I can fly in all of them and I only have a four g connection.other than server lag I dont lag at all .but even if all the planes flew the same there will.still be the advantage of dropping your bombs so you can move better than the bombers .don't you get it us bomber guys don't want to be escorted we want to fight each other head on combat is what we find fun we don't want or ask to be escorted.sure escorting is a tactic but one dropper makes another drops and so on then the game is just a dog fight .do you understand now

ZebraUp wrote:

Longrifle wrote:

ZebraUp wrote: I hear that all the time but really players on PC don't turn any tighter than those not on PC.. they just turn IMMEDIATELY if they're using arrow keys (not so if they're using a joystick or controller) the circumference of the turn is the same for everyone providing they're in the same plane with same levels. So the advantage goes to them over others IF the other player doesn't anticipate the turning.

Practically it's a turn radius advantage, because I can't get to 100 percent.

I'll tell you what Zeeb, let's settle this. Go install the game on your phone, select tilt control and you will shi7 your pants the first time you come up against a pc opponent. No matter who it is on a pc if they get past I'm down in two turns, any direction. Swirl past, follow pipper, I'm in flames. I'm simply asking for parity. Let me shorten the span of the tilt turn to get to 100 percent on the flaps at some point within reason. It is more pronounced now than ever, because before I could hit a swirler twice at range, but I can't get enough hits in time with the new requirements. It's not that i suck at turn fighting, I've went up against the best on similar platforms and always held my own. Now I don't give a rat's ass to try when I know I'm beat in two turns.

Well Longrifle I actually have played this game using my friend's tablet.. I was just as deadly dogfighting with the tablet as with my laptop, although I had to work much harder at it and landings were a pain in the butt. I was able to do this dogfighting by ANTICIPATING the turns BEFORE the reds did them.. which guessing wrong left me a few times with my butt hanging in the wind with only severe maneuvers allowing me to stay alive. It's true what they say that dogfighting with a tilt device makes you look like a dancer on crack lol! I agree that it's MUCH TOUGHER than doing the same thing with a PC.. but it can be done. Just look at Ziza's or Blue MaX's KDRs.. not on PC.. same goes for some other legendary dogfighters here.. not on PC.
Just saying..

I am not disputing that a pilot's skill can be an advantage. Look at it this way; I've turned with Ziza and whatsername from your squad for hours, with just a few kills between us when one of us got distracted or lucky on the approach. We were on the same platform. Two days ago I'm in a game with a level 5 plane and a pilot who shall remain unnamed, he drops every time, I see it and drop, he twirls to minimize the inbound hits, liek you do, flies by me and in two truns I'm down. Repeat ten times... Do you think I forgot how to dogfight in the interim? That's how big the advantage is RIGHT NOW. Try your friends tablet now, against a PC opponent. You can play any trick you can think of and you will be smoke within three turns. All he has to do is follow the pipper. The difference is in the game I'm describing the dropper is playing a bombing game, which you rarely do. Compound the fun in that we have Bubi, who is in the startosphere doing his own thing, occasionally hawk diving on the tarmac and shooting up the planes on the runway. But guess what; I can tell Bubi is Apple or Android, because when unnamed gets airborne two turns later Bubi is toast, and goes back to pouting in the sky and ignoring the general bombing efforts and formations and coordinated hi lo attacks.

Honestly, the dozens of legendary dogfighters you mention wouldn't be complaining if there wasn't a distinct disadvantage. Do you think Rabbit, Hulk and I all forgot how to anticipate where plane will be in a turn, or use diving momentum in a turn? I have proved that in a turn fight with a like device all I have to do is follow the pipper and no pilot, including your aces, get behind me. The supposed advantage to a tilt is smoother acquisition at range; if the titl span is shrunk that would go away and give you PC players more parity there, so I'm not sure why Zup hasn't done this already. My old Flying Corp game had that ability in 1998, I would think it would be an easy fix today.

Easy fixes?

If I was you, I would stop asking for easy fixes...

Last time I did it, it was for doing some changes in the nickname system to end the no-names issue (just batch editing database entries).
No success.

I gave up, and decided to play this game the way it is. When things go too harsh, I simply quit and go do something else. I recommend that approach to EVERYONE. Including those who subscribed.

Sting Ray70 wrote: That's just it though, how does one "stay out" of a bombing mission?

Easy, leave and join another game.

Sting Ray70 wrote: Darraxx- but if one person wants to drop to escort the bombers...? I mean that's a tactic... It's a big debate and there's no one or easy solution.

That's a "tactic" to gain and unfair advantage. To counter that, then the other team needs to have a dropper too, and then another drops, etc. then it just becomes a dogfight.

Sting Ray70 wrote: 1) Take bombs out of the game and use bullets to destroy bases.

Sting Ray70 wrote: 2) Let the planes fly the same with or without a bomb.

If everyone carried a bomb, then basically they would fly about the same, right? The only reason droppers drop is for the advantage. They know they can out fly the bombers, so it means an easy kill for them.

A dropping penalty would not be unfair as it would be a two way street. If a player drops to defend he will rarely land and reload afterwards. Then he continues on with no bombs against bombers. We still have the dropping problem. Is this a dropping thread or a keyboard issue? Maybe you guys should just try to have zeb banned if it's a keyboard one. lol Y

Sting Ray70 wrote:

Sting Ray70 wrote:

E*A*G*L*E wrote: We could just send Sting Ray after Bubi, and then see what he thinks about droppers.

Actually, I went against him today and he had 2 bombs and I still couldn't get him off my 6! I know he had them cuz he bombed 2 of the hangars!

Oh and I forgot to mention, this happened when I was bombless!

If somebody is taking off and has a bunch of reds entering his territory and no assistance, he HAS to drop to make himself more maneuverable to defend the base. So a "dropping penalty" would be rather unfair.

[LB] Pedrinho wrote: Easy fixes?

If I was you, I would stop asking for easy fixes...

Last time I did it, it was for doing some changes in the nickname system to end the no-names issue (just batch editing database entries).
No success.

I gave up, and decided to play this game the way it is. When things go too harsh, I simply quit and go do something else. I recommend that approach to EVERYONE. Including those who subscribed.

Ped that's the attitude that got the game in the shapes it's in now

darraxx wrote: We would all love the plane to act just the same sting Ray that way we could all play every mission .but the fact is not all the planes are the same .and staying out of a bombing mission is easy you don't want to bomb don't fly that mission there are other servers .I can fly in all of them and I only have a four g connection.other than server lag I dont lag at all .but even if all the planes flew the same there will.still be the advantage of dropping your bombs so you can move better than the bombers .don't you get it us bomber guys don't want to be escorted we want to fight each other head on combat is what we find fun we don't want or ask to be escorted.sure escorting is a tactic but one dropper makes another drops and so on then the game is just a dog fight .do you understand now

No no no no. You've got it entirely wrong. I didn't say all planes should fly the same. I meant that a given plane would fly the same way with or without a bomb.

I'm not asking that to be applied, I'm just saying that would be one sure fire solution.

E*A*G*L*E wrote:

Sting Ray70 wrote: That's just it though, how does one "stay out" of a bombing mission?

Easy, leave and join another game.

Sting Ray70 wrote: Darraxx- but if one person wants to drop to escort the bombers...? I mean that's a tactic... It's a big debate and there's no one or easy solution.

That's a "tactic" to gain and unfair advantage. To counter that, then the other team needs to have a dropper too, and then another drops, etc. then it just becomes a dogfight.

Sting Ray70 wrote: 1) Take bombs out of the game and use bullets to destroy bases.

Sting Ray70 wrote: 2) Let the planes fly the same with or without a bomb.

If everyone carried a bomb, then basically they would fly about the same, right? The only reason droppers drop is for the advantage. They know they can out fly the bombers, so it means an easy kill for them.

You answered #2 but not #1. What's wrong with #1?

For the second one, I was saying if they made the planes fly just as well with a bomb as without, people would stop dropping. So how would they out fly the bombers? Huh?

E*A*G*L*E wrote:

Sting Ray70 wrote: That's just it though, how does one "stay out" of a bombing mission?

Easy, leave and join another game.

and wait another 7 minutes? NO WAY!

Sting Ray if you think for one second that becoming a head on fighter was easy guess again
Not one of us was born with that skill it took.a.lot of time to even get good enough to get noticed by anyone but once you prove yourself that you want to learn then people start giving you tips on how to get better
it also shows just what kind of person you are .do you want everything the easy way do you want to tell you friends that I got here by taking the easy road or would you rather say I fought tooth and nail to get to the to and have become a respected pilot in the game .I didn't have a positive kdr until months after I was a moraf as did many morafs
the choice is yours to show just what your made of

darraxx wrote: Sting Ray if you think for one second that becoming a head on fighter was easy guess again
Not one of us was born with that skill it took.a.lot of time to even get good enough to get noticed by anyone but once you prove yourself that you want to learn then people start giving you tips on how to get better
it also shows just what kind of person you are .do you want everything the easy way do you want to tell you friends that I got here by taking the easy road or would you rather say I fought tooth and nail to get to the to and have become a respected pilot in the game .I didn't have a positive kdr until months after I was a moraf as did many morafs
the choice is yours to show just what your made of

When did I say I WANTED it the easy way? I merely commented what would be the only sure fire way to solve the problem of droppers.

Sting Ray70 wrote:

darraxx wrote: Sting Ray if you think for one second that becoming a head on fighter was easy guess again
Not one of us was born with that skill it took.a.lot of time to even get good enough to get noticed by anyone but once you prove yourself that you want to learn then people start giving you tips on how to get better
it also shows just what kind of person you are .do you want everything the easy way do you want to tell you friends that I got here by taking the easy road or would you rather say I fought tooth and nail to get to the to and have become a respected pilot in the game .I didn't have a positive kdr until months after I was a moraf as did many morafs
the choice is yours to show just what your made of

When did I say I WANTED it the easy way? I merely commented what would be the only sure fire way to solve the problem of droppers.

Umm.didn't you yourself say dropping is a good thing it's a tactic to take advantage of the bombers

darraxx wrote:

Sting Ray70 wrote:

darraxx wrote: Sting Ray if you think for one second that becoming a head on fighter was easy guess again
Not one of us was born with that skill it took.a.lot of time to even get good enough to get noticed by anyone but once you prove yourself that you want to learn then people start giving you tips on how to get better
it also shows just what kind of person you are .do you want everything the easy way do you want to tell you friends that I got here by taking the easy road or would you rather say I fought tooth and nail to get to the to and have become a respected pilot in the game .I didn't have a positive kdr until months after I was a moraf as did many morafs
the choice is yours to show just what your made of

When did I say I WANTED it the easy way? I merely commented what would be the only sure fire way to solve the problem of droppers.

Umm.didn't you yourself say dropping is a good thing it's a tactic to take advantage of the bombers

I thought you were talking about the possible fixes I mentioned.

All I wanted was the freaking droppers to stay out of the bombing games so the guys that want to fight head on can play the way we want .I guess that's just to much to freaking ask zup to post a rule or maybe fix it some how so we can fly like we want and every bombing game doesn't turn into a dog fight

darraxx wrote: All I wanted was the freaking droppers to stay out of the bombing games so the guys that want to fight head on can play the way we want .I guess that's just to much to freaking ask zup to post a rule or maybe fix it some how so we can fly like we want and every bombing game doesn't turn into a dog fight

The solution:

Allow players to choose which mission they enter.

darraxx wrote:

[LB] Pedrinho wrote: Easy fixes?

If I was you, I would stop asking for easy fixes...

Last time I did it, it was for doing some changes in the nickname system to end the no-names issue (just batch editing database entries).
No success.

I gave up, and decided to play this game the way it is. When things go too harsh, I simply quit and go do something else. I recommend that approach to EVERYONE. Including those who subscribed.

Ped that's the attitude that got the game in the shapes it's in now

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. In my opinion, the current status is caused by the fact that we, players, keep asking for solutions for issues that, on a closer look, are not issues at all. About sneakers and droppers, for example: they are simply different play-style. I dont like campers, but its something one could face in real-life combat, for example, so I just try to fight them back - same for spawnkillers.
But when we talk about a player who plays with no-name, with a superfast-turning plane (windows pc) and camps and spawnkill from behind, now we have something that needs treatment.
And zup already said that he wont do anything against no-names - and I sadly believe he isnt going to make a anything about the super-turning planes for a while.
I thought about quit playing for good, and I even announced it. But I like this game too much to bail. Thats why I took this current "attitude": being skeptical, and telling people to just play it the way it is, and just leaving missions if there are too many "issues".
After all, its a fun, free mobile game that, despite its flaws, is still enjoyable.