I will start by stating that this does not pertain to all of the MORAF family. The only reason that I bring the MORAF name into this article is that we all know the MORAF title is an honor to carry. The MORAF name is something I look up to because they are very well deserving of the title that came from many grueling hours of play. All of these top aces that I have come across have been simply awesome and want them to know that it would be an honor and a pleasure to take to the skies with them. I may even learn a thing or two.

Unfortunately facing a great MORAF who can and did shoot me down with no problem has to resort to spawn killing. This is happening too often and to the MORAF family it is quite not fair. It is creating a bad name out there whereas there should only be the BEST to speak of when mentioning the MORAF name. Yeah nothing new right? What's wrong with this guy and a select few others that find it necessary to spawn kill. Big ego and no heart. Time to clean up the skies and get these players out of D.F. once and for all.

Being that good and having to resort to these types of tactics is degrading. You look good on stats but I will always know that you are of no worth. It must be great flying through the skies in your totally upgraded top planes spawn killing less quality planes. I am being sarcastic. I may have to explain that to you since you are dense enough to play that way. Guess what I fly the Albatros dv and can do the same facing lower quality planes but I do not spawn kill unless it is in the occassion where it is a must. We all know but you still don't get it.

You have newbies here trying to learn the game. How much fun do you think being killed before you ever take flight is? Pinning everyone down. Come on. Grow up. When was the last time you may have helped anyone that may have needed it? Let me guess you are too good for that.

It's time to change your ways to all of you that take this road. Any CHEAP play doesn't belong here. I even made the mistake of tanking when I was not supposed to because I didn't know since I have seen so many others do it. When I learned better I have never done it again. I try to play as fair as possible. Yep my stats are not great but I am ok with it because that's a real man.

Time to get a reality check that there's something wrong with you. You know who you are and I will not rat you out. You even got yelled at by your own teamate and you still couldn't resist. What a "CHUMP". I hope your squad takes care of you.

The funniest part of it all is that I have only been here for one month and stick to my "GUNZZZ" when it comes to playing fair. I find is sad that I have to hear so many stories about how these top players who have been here for so long have to resort to this and other methods. We know who they are and maybe it wouldn't be so bad to pass the word around.

There is a resolution to this problem that will put an end to this type of play once and for all. I cannot do it by myself and it requires all of the D.F. family to get involved. If everyone would just do what I did we can put an end to this. I simply called this person a spawn killer, asked my team mates to follow me, and left the room. I will never play in a room with this person and neither should you.

I feel that this person SHOULD BE HONORABLE by exited any game in which I am flying. If not I will repeat my steps letting everyone know that this player is a spawn killer, exit the room and ask them to follow. If this action is taken by all the players of D.F. against these types of players we can put an end to it all. I have met many of you since I have arrived and have so many great things to say about you all. You know who you guys/gals are. I only hope that I have presented myself in a manner acceptable to you and this game. Heck ever consider me a D.F. friend.

To those disgraceful players I say that you are ruining the game.

Be a man or hand over you wings.

There are so many MORAFs now, I guess it is a matter of averages. There are a few "top" players who find it necessary to use these tactics. I consider it a weak style of play. I can beat most players straight up, no need to play dirty. I for one have only spawnkilled twice, paying back someone who had done it to me. This will never change, some people have no moral compass, just hope that you don't have to deal with them in your real life.

Sorry to hear that happened to you D93... unfortunately lowlife moraf pilots like Calle & Loewenhardt & BlackDevil Bubi and a few others who enjoy padding their stats by spawnkilling newer pilots is something we must endure.. but NOT condone!

I personally LOVE camping.. but I do NOT condone or support spawnkilling in conjunction with that... but it is also NOT against the rules.. just against a sense of fair play.. and if I am over your airfield dancing through the skies you can be sure that you will be able to take off and drop your bomb or turn or start firing before I will even begin to target you for death.

*However if I am incoming with a bomb I will kill you if I can before you get a chance to shoot me down lol!

I would sure like to know who it was so I can put them on my 'list' (But if it was one of the previously mentioned pilots they're already on that list lol!

Sad part of this whole thing is that most people here can probably guess the few who partake in this sad way to get kills

yep i had this done to me recently and he said my wheels where up yes they where up but the bullets where hitting before i got off the ground so and went on world chat to confront this guy who thinks its the norm and said he was just camping / he called me a baby who cant stop crying i treat people as i want to be treated with respect and dignity even tho hes done this dirty deed to me i will not do the same to him shame on you as you know who you are when u read this

ZebraUp wrote: Sorry to hear that happened to you D93... unfortunately lowlife moraf pilots like Calle & Loewenhardt and a few others who enjoy padding their stats by spawnkilling newer pilots is something we must endure.. but NOT condone!

I personally LOVE camping.. but I do NOT condone or support spawnkilling in conjunction with that... but it is also NOT against the rules.. just against a sense of fair play.. and if I am over your airfield dancing through the skies you can be sure that you will be able to take off and drop your bomb or turn or start firing before I will even begin to target you for death.

*However if I am incoming with a bomb I will kill you if I can before you get a chance to shoot me down lol!

I would sure like to know who it was so I can put them on my 'list' (But if it was one of the previously mentioned pilots they're already on that list lol!

As Zeb said, I also like camping. Especially if they are trying to shoot at me!!
I was actually in a game today where someone accused me of spawnkillng
I was with roxas jay so he can validate it, but i was letting the reds up then shooting them into the ground since as yall should know the ctc games have the carrier go REALLY close to the north base and in open landscape.
I tried to explain what that means but he just started calling me names.
*****CAMPING AND SPAWN-KILLING ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE IS WHEN WHEELS ARE NOT OFF THE GROUND, THE OTHER IS WHEELS UPwhich i say is fair game.

Hulk....i remember u in a game from my very beginning where u captured the flag with your tank and brought it back for the win. That was awesome.

This dirty play has to stop. I agree that it may never but i am sick of seeing it too many times in a one month span.

I just hope i never anger u. I dont care to see that green guy within.

Zebra


What u are mentioning we all know is part of the game and is fair play. I just want it to happen when u r blue.

Crockett

Its unfortunate that i have not had the pleasure of meeting u yet. And yes u r right. Its a sad part of the game that needs to change. It's those few players that do not deserve to carry any title yet alone the honorable title of MORAF.

I hope to see u in the skies.

Dog

You are one of those guys that anyone who crosses paths with you is quite fortunate. I respect you style of play as i carry the same beliefs. There are some nut jobs who believe in the motto war is war. You kill or get killed. Lol. Whats wrong with these people.

When it comes to me making sure that i do not spawn kill i will even fly away from enemy base with my tail exposed knowing that i will be shot down.

Like one more kill will hurt my stats. Heck i have enough already but i keep my honor.

D93 wrote: Hulk....i remember u in a game from my very beginning where u captured the flag with your tank and brought it back for the win. That was awesome.

This dirty play has to stop. I agree that it may never but i am sick of seeing it too many times in a one month span.

I just hope i never anger u. I dont care to see that green guy within.

Green is not the color you need to worry about, it's the Red color that usually gets you in trouble. lol

Not as good as hulk or Davy, but I can do a small number. Sadly, a few names come to mind regarding the topic. Sadly, it won't change. Most of the moraf spawn killers don't stand a chance against lower ranked pilots in an equal setting. Mess with their kdrs, andthey'll leave. Hang in there.

D93 wrote: Zebra


What u are mentioning we all know is part of the game and is fair play. I just want it to happen when u r blue.

huh? When I am blue?

What I said is the way I play all the time.. red or blue.. so I am a little confused..?? And really I don't know that I have ever flown with you.. ever? or have I ??

Zebra

Sorry for not being clear on my response. I did fly against u briefly in a shoot the blimp mission. I have also spoken to you in wc where u gave me sites to visit to learn turn fighting. The reputation that you have is being one of the best. I appreciate that. Ty.

As for being blue i unfortunately have not had the honor of experiencing that. I mean blue as you and i being on the same team in a game. Because if your name is in red i know i'll be dead.

Why is this person mocking lil? This seriously must STOP

hes disturbed take no notice lil doesent really care about him

You know that impostor is none other than Emery aka Hannah aka MPArmy aka CIA. Shes been banned 3 times by Zup in tbe last 2 weeks and keeps creating new accounts. Ridiculous.

D93 wrote: I will start by stating that this does not pertain to all of the MORAF family. The only reason that I bring the MORAF name into this article is that we all know the MORAF title is an honor to carry. The MORAF name is something I look up to because they are very well deserving of the title that came from many grueling hours of play. All of these top aces that I have come across have been simply awesome and want them to know that it would be an honor and a pleasure to take to the skies with them. I may even learn a thing or two.

Unfortunately facing a great MORAF who can and did shoot me down with no problem has to resort to spawn killing. This is happening too often and to the MORAF family it is quite not fair. It is creating a bad name out there whereas there should only be the BEST to speak of when mentioning the MORAF name. Yeah nothing new right? What's wrong with this guy and a select few others that find it necessary to spawn kill. Big ego and no heart. Time to clean up the skies and get these players out of D.F. once and for all.

Being that good and having to resort to these types of tactics is degrading. You look good on stats but I will always know that you are of no worth. It must be great flying through the skies in your totally upgraded top planes spawn killing less quality planes. I am being sarcastic. I may have to explain that to you since you are dense enough to play that way. Guess what I fly the Albatros dv and can do the same facing lower quality planes but I do not spawn kill unless it is in the occassion where it is a must. We all know but you still don't get it.

You have newbies here trying to learn the game. How much fun do you think being killed before you ever take flight is? Pinning everyone down. Come on. Grow up. When was the last time you may have helped anyone that may have needed it? Let me guess you are too good for that.

It's time to change your ways to all of you that take this road. Any CHEAP play doesn't belong here. I even made the mistake of tanking when I was not supposed to because I didn't know since I have seen so many others do it. When I learned better I have never done it again. I try to play as fair as possible. Yep my stats are not great but I am ok with it because that's a real man.

Time to get a reality check that there's something wrong with you. You know who you are and I will not rat you out. You even got yelled at by your own teamate and you still couldn't resist. What a "CHUMP". I hope your squad takes care of you.

The funniest part of it all is that I have only been here for one month and stick to my "GUNZZZ" when it comes to playing fair. I find is sad that I have to hear so many stories about how these top players who have been here for so long have to resort to this and other methods. We know who they are and maybe it wouldn't be so bad to pass the word around.

There is a resolution to this problem that will put an end to this type of play once and for all. I cannot do it by myself and it requires all of the D.F. family to get involved. If everyone would just do what I did we can put an end to this. I simply called this person a spawn killer, asked my team mates to follow me, and left the room. I will never play in a room with this person and neither should you.

I feel that this person SHOULD BE HONORABLE by exited any game in which I am flying. If not I will repeat my steps letting everyone know that this player is a spawn killer, exit the room and ask them to follow. If this action is taken by all the players of D.F. against these types of players we can put an end to it all. I have met many of you since I have arrived and have so many great things to say about you all. You know who you guys/gals are. I only hope that I have presented myself in a manner acceptable to you and this game. Heck ever consider me a D.F. friend.

To those disgraceful players I say that you are ruining the game.

Be a man or hand over you wings.

In the 3 years I've been playing df as well as many others who started around the same time. This has always happened. Some Morafs use it to teach the noobs how to get up and fight back. Some do it to pad their stats.

The spawnkilling will never leave, those Morafs who did it to my era of pilots taught others to do it. I myself have spawnkilled. First because I was a noob, second for paybacks.

The worst part of it is, some morafs will do it to other morafs because they can't take them on a one on one. Its just something that has been goin on since the game begain. It will never end, no matter what we do or say.

Mr Cannon

Beautiful neice u have. U r a lucky man.

I would like to say it was nice to meet u except that its hard to when u were putting bullets through my skull. Also now i understand your name. Awesome cannon skills. I was quite impressed. I am jk. It was my pleasure to play against someone with such great skills.

As for the topic yeah it's sad that the kdr comes into play with some. It seems like it's more important to some than just realizing this is a game which should be fun for all. Yep fun for them to take advantage of their capabilities but a nightmare for those who can't take to the skies.

Next time i see u red in a game my first instict will be to fly half way around the world to avoid your cannon shot. Thank you for commenting.

Grey Ghost

Sounds like u seen it all. I understand why u opted to spawn kill in those 2 scenarios. I would have done the same. As for why a MORAF opts to play this way to me sounds like they have issues.

Imagine what it does to their ego when a lower ranked player takes them down. I congratulate my opponent on a job well done.

I believe that all should be engaged in a 100% fair fight in the skies. So I do not take the coward's route of taking the emeny down when it's unfair. Yes that does come back to bite me in the rear about half the times because I will get shot down but at least I know I am playing fair.

OK IM GUILTY I HAVE DONE IT. I HAVE SPAWNKILLED OOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT DID I MENTION I SPAWNKILLED IN ALL LEVEL. IM A MORAF NOW. I SPAWNKILLED MORE BEFORE I WAS MORAF THEN I DO NOW. CMON PEOPLE I THINK THE MAJORITY OF ALL DF PLAYERS ARE GUILTY OF SPAWNKILLING NO MATTER WHAT LEVELS THEY ARE AT. AND D93 WHAT WOULD YOUR SUGGESTION BE FOR THOSE WHO SPAWN KILL MORAFS THERE ARE MORE OF THOSE AROUND THEN THE MORAFS THAT SPAWNKILL. I THINK IF SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT THIS PROBLEM IT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH AT ALL LEVELS NOT JUST THE MORAFS.

Slice of Terror

On the ground or wheels off. If they don't have a fair shot of engaging in a fair fight it's all the same to me. You may differ in opinion and that is fine by me. It's not the way I choose to play.

Wow sounds like in your game you must have allowed the enemy player to come face to face with you. In mine this "chump" didn't.

T-REX

In no way am I singling out the MORAFs. I agree with you 100%. I am refering to all players. All dirty play should be removed from the game but that's up to each player.

You have to realize that a MORAF is exactly what we all want to become. You MORAFs are our leaders and just like anywhere in life when a leader does something it becomes a news flash. I will disgrace a MORAF even more than any other player simply because you guys are that good. A MORAF should not have to resort to these tactics.

Any MORAF that lights up the skies and takes everyone down well that's my hero. That is where I would like to be one day. I only hope that when I do reach that level all other players can say that I am a solid guy who can be looked up to in a positive way.

T-REX wrote: OK IM GUILTY I HAVE DONE IT. I HAVE SPAWNKILLED OOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT DID I MENTION I SPAWNKILLED IN ALL LEVEL. IM A MORAF NOW. I SPAWNKILLED MORE BEFORE I WAS MORAF THEN I DO NOW. CMON PEOPLE I THINK THE MAJORITY OF ALL DF PLAYERS ARE GUILTY OF SPAWNKILLING NO MATTER WHAT LEVELS THEY ARE AT. AND D93 WHAT WOULD YOUR SUGGESTION BE FOR THOSE WHO SPAWN KILL MORAFS THERE ARE MORE OF THOSE AROUND THEN THE MORAFS THAT SPAWNKILL. I THINK IF SOMETHING IS DONE ABOUT THIS PROBLEM IT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH AT ALL LEVELS NOT JUST THE MORAFS.

Maybe I'm way out of the loop here but the majority do and have SKed is news to me.
zup has now for a long time not considered sking unless done with a tank to be punishable.
So some prayers are take advantage of that and have become quite known for there lack of ability to take out a players other honorable ways.

THIS SUBJECT IS SURE COMING UP, ALOT LATELY.


Listen, Whether you care or not, or have even thought it thru, it matters how one player this game, more so for the folks that have put there time in and worked to the top level. I started playing this game at a time when there was no noob server, and sking was the norm. Guys like Bomber would park over a base and literally take out spanners before they could get moving and then lolololol it on chat.... the putts. To this day it boils my blood to think of it. There were no penalties for such action even with tanks it was OK to use the tactic.....

I was fortunate to have an opportunity to catch bomber at his base one fine morning and I thought oh yes here we go payback time! As I proceeded to spawn kill the little tool I asked him how he liked it ..... no responce, so after about the 4th sk I lolololol old lol the basterd on chat. The whole time I was doing this there was a voice in the back of my mind whispering to me well don't this feel good now your just like him ..... nice Rap..... thank God the dude cut out before I could get him a 5th time and that was the first and last time I SKed another player. He had it coming but I felt pretty dirty even for paying him back.

The piont is it didn't stop him, he continued to pin me and other players all the way thru his ranks to his climb to the top 3 players.
I continued to do my best to not rage quit and play thru the games him and his like minded players played. Took me over two years to reach MORAF with a clean conscious and quite a bit less time for bomber and his group..... we have had and always will have SKers in the game, we will have are different ways of dealing with them, good or bad depending on one's own set of governing values and morals.... so be it.

I will piont out an observation I have made that separates the two play tactics.... I've been here for some time, and like to think I have a plethora (like that Dest, nice word usage ah bro) Of friends here and I still enjoy the game and it's chalanges.
Bomber, well I haven't seen him in a long long time, and the SKERS here among us today aren't having a plethora of anything except contempt from other players....... its a personal choice.


Note here:by no means am I suggesting that a quick run thru the ranks is a sign of a SKer, there are those that are gifted and or have 21in tablets that have made MORAF IN months. the Hulk and the Fokkers (green and mean) are good examples of reputable good form players that have moved thru the ranks fast, could be off here but I think MEAN FOR did it in three months, and there at the end he would make his kills upside down..... the basterd would even let you know that there are more no doubt but these two guys are known for there ability to kill and there sweety clean reputations..... thanks guys.


MORAFs of the game like it or not in my opinion owe the game and other players the honor of showing by good examples what the cream of the crop should play like..... but i digress. ... its just my opinion.

[*M]ONSTER CANNON wrote: Not as good as hulk or Davy, but I can do a small number. Sadly, a few names come to mind regarding the topic. Sadly, it won't change. Most of the moraf spawn killers don't stand a chance against lower ranked pilots in an equal setting. Mess with their kdrs, andthey'll leave. Hang in there.

Ur too modest and humble, he might not be on par with Davy and von hulk, but this dude is just crazy with a tank, warning to all I you want to kill this guy In tank do it really really far away,p.s can I be ur apprentice?

FWIW:

Posts about rules re: Spawn killing by Zuperman

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From Let people take off (By zuperman) :

zuperman wrote: Guys, I'm disappointed that I always have to modify stuff so people don't abuse the system.

I mean, it's common sense and it hurts you otherwise. I'm talking now about letting players take off. In the past 3 days every time I log in,someone different is flying around the enemy airport and then shooting players before they take off.

Problem? Well, usually they are new people who just playing for the first or second time, after 2 minutes without any hope because usually the person doing this is a way higher rank, they leave the game and NEVER come back, writing reviews saying the game is boring.

I find myself alone on my team while this person flying is just collecting points. Obviously if they know who I am, they stop, but since I'm not always playing it's just bothers me that this person is not able to have some kind of manners towards players.

So what now? I'm forced to add an inmunity option for maybe 30 seconds after take off, or maybe just ban everyone that shoots me 2 times before i take off with a message that says "you are a jerk" or similar
you get the idea. let others have fun and you'll have fun. My idea of fun is not to login and leave myself alone on my side with no enemies playing.

So just to clarify as much as possible,

Though Zuperman does not "approve" of spawnkilling, he doesn't seem to want to make the rules hard lines. He doesn't say "Do it once and you're out."

Also from Let people take off (By zuperman) :

zuperman wrote: ... From my point of view spawn killing is bad, period. No excuse for it. Everybody does it eventually because it just happen but setting a rule to when it is ok is completely unnecessary.
It is like cursing. You do it from time to time and nobody will say anything... Now go in a cursing tirade and you get banned.

From Zuperman-Kindly Clarify? :

zuperman wrote: I don't think we need to write the rules every 6 months. The idea is very simple: anything that could ruin the game for you or other players if repeated constantly is not allowed.
There is no need to repeat it for every single specific case that may arise: now you can tank on this corner of the map, is it allowed to spawn kill? Now you can jump with one leg on a building, is it allowed to spawn kill there?

To me is pretty obvious, we already said no spawn killing.

Do we really need to spell out a rule book when you know you are ruining the game for all the other team? If you know it is ruining the game, you know it is wrong. Trying to excuse it with: where are the rules? It's like pissing on the kitchen of a bar and say that there is no sign saying it's forbidden.

Raptor

Wow...impressive reply. I enjoyed reading every word of it.

I am very glad to see that you are one of the players that I respect while those others will never get that from me. I dont care how many kills, where they are ranked, or what title they hold they will be on the bottom of my list.

As for your comment about the MORAFs creating a good example is exactly why I posted this. You seem to get it. Why these dirty players don't is beyond me. Especially when it is a MORAF. They create a bad name for such an honorable title.

Very glad to see that you did not sucumb to dirty play after your experience. You are probably a better person than you know. It's hard to not follow in the foot steps of others that we all know are straight out only fooling themselves believing that it's alright to continue to play in this manner. That is why I title them "chumps".

Thanks McFate, as usual quickly to the piont and accuate.


I play by a simple and what think to be fair rule when coming in on a base. when a player spawns at base and im headed in for the flag or bomb the hangers i simply wait till im fired upon. it can be quite titilating giving the enemy a chance to gain his/her baerings before you engage them. the down side is it doesnt work out all that well about half the time im shot down..... im cool with that.

so theres just another way to play.... i personaly dont have a problem with the enemy fireing at me when they are in the last stage of a bomb run. hell the flew all that way and still have a bomb.

Just ONE outstanding factor that people camp and not allow an 100% "fair" battle, they also want to SHOOT you, as in the REDS. Picture me on a carrier next to the base in ctc and in open ground, clear sight of enemy. Now my teammate is over there base. Should he allow me to die because he wants an 100% fair battle or is he going to camp to give me a chance to WIN the ctc misson? (not sking)
Might as well be a dogfight but with out the dogfight going strait at each other to kill?? Now hows anyone suppose to win?

D93 wrote: Grey Ghost

Sounds like u seen it all. I understand why u opted to spawn kill in those 2 scenarios. I would have done the same. As for why a MORAF opts to play this way to me sounds like they have issues.

Imagine what it does to their ego when a lower ranked player takes them down. I congratulate my opponent on a job well done.

I believe that all should be engaged in a 100% fair fight in the skies. So I do not take the coward's route of taking the emeny down when it's unfair. Yes that does come back to bite me in the rear about half the times because I will get shot down but at least I know I am playing fair.

As I said before they just want to pad their stats. One thing I didn't mention is that when you take them out consistently they tend to leave game for easier prey. Some like to jump in just to ruin games and leave after the damage has been done.

I personally have been through it. No noob was safe when they started out. Lol If you stuck in there then you gained respect. If not, well they would continue to do so because you wouldn't stay. Learnt that the hard way.

But now, it's like I said, rather padding their stats or ruining games spawnkilling will never end. That's the life of a dogfight pilot. Best bet is to learn to get up and shoot them down.