This will always happen .....and the only one that can help you Is yourself...either get a better plane and learn to brake / throttle and kill....or leave the game ....as a noob i was tormented often but never quit as GG has stated or they will see you as easy fish every time!....unfortunately I had to stay and deal with it until I earned enough coin to stop it! Just the way it is ....and camping in CTC or CTF is not spawn killing...I personally always let them up no matter what. period!

Oh and Davey I can name more than a few...and I ain't scared....calle, bubi, lowedheart, kero zen ect....all morafs and all spawners...but eventually noobs will enjoy battling these types I know I do ....

Trey

Even though I don't see you in the skies that much lately I did quite often in which was the beginning for me. You were always very cool with me and I want to thank you for that. I knew then seeing you play that you were on of the good ones.

As for what conspired in the game that you are referring to there are definitely situations that may arise which may be misconstruing. The best way to handle that is to speak to the other player to try to clear the air. Seems as if you did try that but unfortunately you to didn't see eye to eye.

When someone comes on a mission to bomb accomplishes just that and then decides to fly away I will not open fire on them because I know that I was beat that round. Even I do make an exception to this. If I am out numbered in a game or losing by a lot heck yeah I am going to open up.

McFate

Finally. Thank you very much for posting this. Maybe now all these idiots will get it and I have something to shove up their rears. Lol.

You and I have not spoke before but I have seen you around. It's just really nice to see something in writing especially from the man himself that explains exactly what i believe in. That being spawn killing or camping if the plane is not up in a position to truely engage in a fair fight it's just a trashy move by the other player.

*** McFate: please do me a solid and pm me these quotes from zup. I would love to have them. Ty.***

Nine

I learned how good he is in tank when he knocked me down like 5x in a game.

Raptor

You have every right to open fire in that situation. Everyone seems to know this. I believe you still even have the right to open fire until you can get yourself out of there safely. Anyone who contemplates this shouldn't be allowed to play the game.

Slice of Terror

There is more than enough room between the base and carrier to allow the enemy up. Anyone who is good enough to be able to hoover above and spawn kill or camp I am sure is good enough to take an emeny plane down as well.

Take a look at the quotes from zup posted on McFates reply. You say in your reply that according to you wheels up is fair play. You know that I do not believe that to be right and now I know that neither does Zuperman. Maybe you should tell him what you think about this.

Grey Ghost

I have never left a game because I was taking a whooping. Ooohhh did I take more than my share. It seemed like I was unforunate to always have multiple MORAFs in a game on the enemy side. Yep I had to learn to defend myself real quick. I am doing an okay job of it now.

I will not hesitate to leave a game where there is a dirty player and let it be know that I believe they are not worth being around. I wouldn' be around that person in real life. Why would I hang around them in a game.

JJ

You are definitely one of the respected players in df and your opinion goes a long way I am sure. I see how well liked you are amongst others.

As I mentioned in my reply to Grey Ghost I have no issue staying in a game taking a beat down. I will however leave if the enemy is out of line. His own teammate knew that to be true. Kill me in that fashion once no problem. Twice cmon. Three times okay didn't you have enough by now. This went on for about five kills before I left. Before I did I just wanted to make sure he knew that I thought he was a chump.

As for the brake, throttle, and kill I have to be honest with you that I do not know what you are talking about. I am still learning the game and appreciate all the help that I get from great players like you. I am not in a squad so I only pick up on new things as I hear about them. So JJ if you don't mind explaining that to me one day in wc I would be very grateful.

JJ

That list just may be as long as Santa's. Jk. There are those players that just won't let it go. You should take a look at Mc Fate's reply to see what Zup's take is on the topic. One thing that he mentioned that actually sounds like the only solution to this is to implement a time immunity.

If the creator of the game sees this technique as wrong there's nothing else to say about it. He clarifies it all.

There was, or is, still an immunity for lower levels on take off. As any incoming bomber has found. It sucks. Its nothing worse than getting shot down by someone when your screen is full of;

Someone is immune
Someone is immune
Someone is immune
Someone is immune
KA5EY was taken down by someone
Someone is immune
Someone is immune

I've been called a spawn killer for laying cover fire on my own incoming bombing run. Hey, what am I supposed to do? Top a hill and quit shooting? If that is considered spawn killing the hangars and the flag must be moved to a neutral location. And a bomb the carrier mission will need players to take off from their base.

Spawn killing is killing players at their spawning point with no other motive than to add to ones kill count. Whether its from a tank or plane or underground .

It happens. Too much. But it can't possibly be stopped. Only tolerated and beat with experience.

yes i was just accused of spawn killing in my last game by aov member i dropped my bombs on his hangars turned and headed for yonder glen when bullets come flying by me i see my team mate approaching as i come to the hill and turn to join him on his run this aov member says :Spawnkilling Reported ; what dribble if any pilot out there knows me knows its not me >ive been camped and spawn killed so many times i wouldnt do it carefull when u say spawnkiller before you know what one is if im comming in with a bomb my finger never leaves that fire button

D93 wrote: As for the brake, throttle, and kill I have to be honest with you that I do not know what you are talking about. I am still learning the game and appreciate all the help that I get from great players like you. I am not in a squad so I only pick up on new things as I hear about them. So JJ if you don't mind explaining that to me one day in wc I would be very grateful.

I'll briefly explain it to you here D93..

If you are on your own runway or on your own carrier (in carrier bombing mission) or on a CAPTURED carrier (in other words it's BLUE) and you lock your BRAKES then that makes you BULLETPROOF!!
*note: this doesn't make you bomb-proof.. or immune to tank shots.. just bulletproof from machine gun bullets, whether from a plane or a soldier

Also, when you go to take off if you leave your brakes locked until the very instant your nose starts to dip then release them you LEAP into the air.. rather than a slow roll down the runway or deck. Also, drop your bombs immediately when dealing with spawnkillers.. if you drop 'em then you can always land again and reload in peace.

Time your take-off when being spawnkilled so 1st-off you don't get killed... and second so you actually take off as the spawnkiller just flies past you so you can more easily be on his 6 and shoot him!

Hope this helps!

Ka5ey

Thanks for responding. I look foward to meeting you one day. As far as I know our paths have never crossed yet until now.

Everything that you said here is completely true that I really have nothing else to say to you other than you are right. What you are stating here is not spawn killing. Well technically it is but we all understand that it is a must in this scenario. Whoever commented and called you a spawn killer may have been a noob, someone who does know the game, or just a ball buster.

I would like to add however is what is a picture of my girlfriend doing on your banner?

Dog

You know why you were coming in for the kill. U did the right thing by helping you teammate out. The other player probably didn't pick up on this. It may be smart to try to catch up with this person and explain yourself to him/her. I understand it and I can't see why they wouldn't.

After trying to speak with them if they still can't be on the same page you can get Elmer Fudd to shoot down that cwazy wittle wabbbbittttt.

Zebra

I can't thank you enough for that information. I would have never know any of that. You have no clue as to how many times in a game I have been spawn killed. That is why I decided to post this thread. I have only been here one month and I have seen more spawn killing than should ever exist.

Bullet proof. Are you kidding me? Wow. I really could have used that before but at least I know now. Thanks.

How do you know this stuff? Yeah I know word gets passed around but is there a place to go to that lists all of this. Like df tutorial/manual somewhere?

I'm still old fashioned, I wait till a plane starts shooting at me or at least has got off the ground if they are a better player (read that as if I'm more scared of them)

Thank you zebra sorry I'm to slow I guess. ..but yes explained perfectly...

Hammer

I am glad to hear that you fly in style.

Don't be so modest. I am sure that it is you scaring others. I looked at you stats. I'm impressed.

JJ

I appreciate the fact that you were willing to help me out even though Zebra already did.

As always this topic is a spirited one, but I do notice nobody who posts about this supports the spawn killing side of the story. While we can make many great points the folks who are giving MORAF's a bad name are sadly not even on the forum to see the debate, or lack thereof. Those folks are normally identified on WC and can only really be dealt with in the game by beating them a few times and making them leave to preserve their stats.

For me it is both unfortunate and completely baffling how someone can play this game long enough to become MORAF and not develop some sense of fair play and ethics. With that much time invested they should know the difference between suppressing fire, spawn killing, wheels off the ground and rolling down the runway, things of that nature. Bottom line if a type of game play upsets or irritates you, why visit that on others? I just don't get it.

It seems many of the honorable, decent, respectable MORAF's have weighed in here and all condone fair game play as expected. Hulk, Davy, Zebra, JJ, Hammer, Dog, Kasey, Gray, Pie, Monster etc (I apologize for those I missed) are all players that have my respect not for their rank, but for the way they approach and play this game. D93, these are the guys you want to strive to be like. I know I do.

We should not forget the psychologian part wich is included by spawnkilling. The most spk i noticed is
If a game runs over one, two hrs.and one side have one hangar only to defend. In such a situation handle the pilots incl.morafs not like they normally would do. If 2 machines both with 1bomb break trough and have all defenders shooted so the pilots of the attacking planes knows both that one bomb will end the game. In that case both fired to the runway in order to come to an end. If a defending plane is destroyed before it started, its spk, but not with the intention to spk the plane, it was happen to bring one of the machines in a bomb poition therefore to end the game! Myself didnt spk, in the above mentioned example i was one of the both machines. The other one is a pilot who did spk never too. As we are so near from target we handled not like usually. We take the whole runway under fire, i was shooted, but the 2nd bomb ends the game. I saw that i shooted a flying plane, no plane was destroyed on ground.
If one would be shooted on ground i wouldnt see that as spk, its one of the so much variuos situations which are possible in this game!

This is naturally my opinion only!

Viper

Glad to see that I can add another good pilot to my list of true df pilots. All the others to me are the bottom of the barrel or should I say crud. I couldn't agree with you more about where are these dirty players now.

There are multple players that chose to play in a dirty manner but where are they now to defend themselves. They curl their tails between their legs and go into hiding because they can't defend their actions.

I see that you are on the verge of becoming MORAF yourself. If I am not around to congradulate you when that time comes I do so now. CONGRATZ!!!

I now have another pilot to look up to.

ENOXX

No one will and should never debate the topic in which you are referring to. This type of play is fair and done to complete the mission that you have set to accomplish. No problems here whatsoever. If anyone does complain in a situation like this they do not understand the game.

I have been in the skies with you numerous times and always look foward to seeing your name on the screen.

I'm with KA5EY and Ennox on this. To what extent SPK is acceptable or understandable at any point in a game will vary depending on the ebb and flow of the game. Newbs are these days offered protection on spawning with temp immunity. Any decent spawning moraf can be on target and usefully defending as soon as a wheel lifts the floor. So...if I'm on a bombing run and there's reds coming at me off the runway then I'll go in firing. If the role was reversed and I was spawning, I'd expect to be fired on. So I'd brake on, throttle up, build up engine speed and then brake off and up and evasive manoeuvre... Obviously discretion is required depending numbers of opponents, level of skill, place in the game etc.

An interesting debate..

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this, but if there are campers/spawnkillers hanging around your base or ship, just lock your wheels and don't take off. Regardless of how they may rationalize their behavior, they're only there for cheap kills/points. If you don't enable their scummy behavior by taking off and letting them easily kill you -- and they have a significant edge regardless of how good you think you are -- they will go away, since that's all they want.

Or you can do as D93 suggests and leave the game if their lack of sportsmanship and ethics disgusts you.

Pluribus

Yep. I like your idea and I did try it on two occasions. Unfortunately the pests never went away even after calling them out. I don't like hanging around pests so yep I took it upon myself to leave.

You sound like a wise pilot who can make up his mind in a split second. I hope if you are ever in the situation you handle it even better than I did.

Hope to catch up with you one day.

Jetmaroo

Since posting this reply I have been spawn killed again. This time I did try the brake, throttle up, take off maneuver but to no avail. My tail was still pinned down. Maybe I need more practice. Maybe not. Either way we all know spawn killing is a "chumps" game. Sure am glad that you are not one of them.

Catch you in the skies one day.