ok, this was a surprise... I thought everyone would be clapping because lag would be drastically reduced.

Now I have to figure out a better way... maybe only allow the server choice to subscribers?

zuperman wrote: ok, this was a surprise... I thought everyone would be clapping because lag would be drastically reduced.

Now I have to figure out a better way... maybe only allow the server choice to subscribers?

Zup plz we always fight together...Dogfight is Adictive even bcoz of FRIENDS ...plz cancel this idea if possible and get some other solution to this...
i hope even others agree with this!

Buckgeo wrote:

Weather[*M]an wrote: Go ahead and post on in ignorance Buck. I have buried that hatchet with Wig. I have nothing to hide here. That channel was created months ago and has since been abandoned.

Oh, my mistake, I grabbed the wrong photo.
For those of you who cannot read and comprehend what you think you have read or have seen. There are oter squads in the Zello snaps. This furthers the opinion that not just one squad uses the Chat App.

War Doctor, if you said you are not one to get involved, why didn't you just shut you cake hole?

Buck I have decided that I do NOT like you. It is not an emotion I DO NOT normally have , but for you I am willing to make an exception!!!
I HEREBY SWEAR THAT IF I EVER SEE YOU IN GAME I WILL REMORSELESSLY HUNT YOU DOWN!

zuperman wrote: ok, this was a surprise... I thought everyone would be clapping because lag would be drastically reduced.

Now I have to figure out a better way... maybe only allow the server choice to subscribers?

Please Mr Zup sir, could we keep some lag please. If implementing this idea means I cannot " fly" with my friends again I would probably drift away from the world of DF.... I live in the UK and you cannot imagine the joy I feel when I see the names of CC Rider , Skystone , Punkchef all from Australia or Davy Crockett , Von Hulk , Coop , Bullitt and many more of my misfit brothers in The U.S. and around the world, appear in game with me. Without their comradeship this great game would only be a pale shadow of what it is at the moment. As you say it is impossible to eliminate lag completely , I believe loosing the choice of whom to fly with would be a price too high to pay ......I sincerely hope you can find a way around this problem cos this is probably,no,undoubtably the best game I have ever played....PAGAN.

Today is a special day to me.Last year on this date i didn't know if i was going to live or die in that operating theatre.
After 10 month away from here,mainly because it would burn my eyes looking at a screen for a minute,i come back missing all drama in the middle to find all this anger.
People need a reality check in life sometimes.I got mine.its only a game.
You know some people would regard this kinda behaviour and statements as bullying.
I guess now there will be sly comments aimed at me again.Oh well back to real life i go.

First everyone's complaining about lag, and now you'd rather have it?!?!?!?. Have you ever been in a match where you shoot a plane twice but he keeps flying, kills you and two more, then you get your kill after you respawn. Dont forget the invisible lag bombers. I had an issue with a certain pilot. (Dogar the lagger) After i told him he's cheating by lag, he refuses to leave. I told him he's on the wrong server but he already knows, that's why he's there. I like zups idea. Especially about the part about SUBSCRIBERS BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE...

What about the players that are willing to pay but no credit and debit cards? Hope u make a Top Up cards to be sold around the world Zup. We understand that this is a business but make sure to give a little comfort to ur customers.

Hi zup

Ok ive been around a long time. I rember the basic layout of the game. I.have watched everyone including myself aak for this and that and you tried your best to give it to us . Now i have a thought (and thinking hurts) now.we.have so many players some fly with trees. Some.fly with clouds some.have the prety water some have it all. Now.with all the diffrent screens the swrvers have to generate for all the different devices wouldn't that cause lag. I have nothing turned on since i cant hide in the clouds if some.has them.truned off same with the trees. And the water is when the lag really started to get bad. Cant we try the old.format again and make it so everyone gets the same screen either with or without trees and clouds and we really dont need prety water as long as its blue it can figure out its water. Just a thought before you split up the servers. And by the way i live in the usa in Massachusetts and if i use the east cost serevr i lag bad i usually fly in bori i get less lag better games same with the other servers i can do good in all but the one near me

Pinoy Pride [NLR] wrote: What about the players that are willing to pay but no credit and debit cards? Hope u make a Top Up cards to be sold around the world Zup. We understand that this is a business but make sure to give a little comfort to ur customers.

Get a prepaid debit. That's what a friend of mine did

darraxx wrote: Hi zup

Ok ive been around a long time. I rember the basic layout of the game. I.have watched everyone including myself aak for this and that and you tried your best to give it to us . Now i have a thought (and thinking hurts) now.we.have so many players some fly with trees. Some.fly with clouds some.have the prety water some have it all. Now.with all the diffrent screens the swrvers have to generate for all the different devices wouldn't that cause lag. I have nothing turned on since i cant hide in the clouds if some.has them.truned off same with the trees. And the water is when the lag really started to get bad. Cant we try the old.format again and make it so everyone gets the same screen either with or without trees and clouds and we really dont need prety water as long as its blue it can figure out its water. Just a thought before you split up the servers. And by the way i live in the usa in Massachusetts and if i use the east cost serevr i lag bad i usually fly in bori i get less lag better games same with the other servers i can do good in all but the one near me

Actually I think Darrax has a great point. I recently started a thread about clouds being a choice and was surprised by how many flew with them or just didn't know they could turn them off. Just an added thought.

Im having a hard time believing assigning servers by geographicarea is going to doma damn thing to fix the lag, it was never an issue in the past.
the lag of the game seems to stem from all the cool grafics that have been added over time, the magical water is when it started and detailed explosions just made it much worse.
I turn off every setting when i play except the bullet sound setting....
I myself and everyone else in the game no matter where they are from is doin the ever more popular stop and go jiggy dance accross the map...

Zup, I am and have always been a payer and suporter of you and this game. Im very surprised to hear that your surprised folks think this assigning server by local is such a bad, if not the worst idea thats come from you.. that sounds rude, Im sorry I dont mean to be. It is though. For you to present it tells me you dont realize what you have created as a biproduct of this once fantastic game..... Look around some young man ask some questions maybe.... no one here to my k owlage has ever thought the water should be so magical, and detailed explosions just had to be or the game was poop.... i think even though you created this game your missing the essence of what brings people to stay..... believe me its not he graet grafics im told the game now has....

Jeff, Im truely glad to see you around now, honestly had no idea about your tribulations, so very glad your able to play again.... God bless you.


Buck your not really this big of a douche are you?

I agree with Darrax
Lag improved tremendously when I turned off the realistic water.
I am on an Apple IPad so have had no opportunity to evaluate the new update but one of the great pleasures of the game has been to play with others from around the world and this will disappear if we are forced to use our "local" server. I also like to be able to choose to some extent which missions I fly and who I fly with. This is much easier if there are several servers to choose from. Another point for Zup. Can you give us some idea of the connection speed required to avoid the big red notice that obscures the screen? I have noticed this occurring during Zep games and the lag when the Zep bursts into flames is dreadful. Another indication that the over elaborate graphics may be one of the problems. Still enjoy the game though and am just worried that you may be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Okay. I'll chime in! I too agree with Darraxx! I turned the pretty water off because I think I crash into it more often than the regular water! And the clouds? Pretty but this is war! Not a field trip? You can see me, but I can't see you? Wrong! Trees? The tank gets stuck in them and I don't think they protect me from anything. Plus they are in the way when I try to sneak! The point being, if it will reduce lag by us all being on the same settings perhaps you (Zup) should reconfigure the game that way.
I for one quickly lost any concern for game appearance while getting my butt shot off! Do like the new paint jobs tho!.........

Oh yeah the dreaded slow conn warning. Well that can go to we wanted it so the lag switch guys would get the boot but they never got kicked. And 95% of the time its the server thats lagging ill have full bars and 4g and still get the warning. So zup please remove that it will.also save a few bucks i think

nixkillin wrote: First everyone's complaining about lag, and now you'd rather have it?!?!?!?. Have you ever been in a match where you shoot a plane twice but he keeps flying, kills you and two more, then you get your kill after you respawn. Dont forget the invisible lag bombers. I had an issue with a certain pilot. (Dogar the lagger) After i told him he's cheating by lag, he refuses to leave. I told him he's on the wrong server but he already knows, that's why he's there. I like zups idea. Especially about the part about SUBSCRIBERS BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE...

P.S. This didn't just start recently. People complained about me lagging when i first started and didn't kmow any better. Now i only fly mess or vimy. I used to fly fest too but i had a two second delay on my kills. There's a reason why the server is labeled... So you can pick the one closest to you

Buckgeo wrote:

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Buckgeo wrote: Sure sounds like a lecture, get over yourself.
I made my point, if you don't like its your problem.

Wait you forgot to put Misfit channels up, of course some of them are not ours and the pics you have are old.

So I guess text and email info should be available or is it simply some sort of butt hurt feelings exposed to you by those who used the same app ZELLO to befriend and play this game. Game being the key word here, friends who chose a path they now regret and exposing what? A fing free app that you deem unethical, when it is free, like texting, voxer or any other form of communication? Get the fuc@ off your self and grip the fact that this is a game dude, STFU and play and leave the whining behind.

Just so you know, the thead is in about ZElLO. It's about reducing lag.
You might be a little too thick in the to actually get that. Stay on topic or shut your cake hole.

Obvious you and your ilk would prefer lag and a poor performance experience.

Wrong thread to talk about cake. You took it off topic with your whining about an app that in no way affects this game and all you have as a response is a typical childish response. Next time start a thread of your own, instead of looking for some validation over some old screen shots.

Better yet, would you like my profile information for facebook, I think it's causing lag as I do use it at times to discuss this game and I think my contacts on my phone may be adding to the wait time with the servers.

I personally love the trees , the magical water, the clouds and all the other things that make the game look better.the lag can be a bit of a problem ,but if I encounter very bad lag I just quit that game and find another one. I think Zup is doing a great job with very limited resources and we should not expect everything to be perfect in DF world cos it certainly ain't in the real world.

i pretty much only fly in mess because that area works the best for me. if this idea came into being i'd still probably be flying in mess.


my favorite thing is when i'm in a game area that i should be in, and someone from south america or asia comes in and starts yelling about how i am lagging. i am pretty sure it works both ways.

If you were coming to this game for the first time; you just freshly loaded it, did a few practice missions then logged into a multiplayer game, what would make the biggest difference to you?

If my first impression was freezing frames and seeing other players vanishing, teleporting, shooting lazars and invisibombing I would have left and deleted the game without bothering to build up skills.

If the server selection makes it so you can only go to the fastest server the game play will improve for everyone. It would be sad to not be able to play with everyone from anywhere but it will eventually settle out and if the game works better it will become a more worthwhile gaming experience.

I understand how people want to maintain the global social aspect but as a business model for echoboom, doesn't the game function have to be the top priority?

I' m no Tech expert by any means, but if reducing server choices are the answer. How will it accommodate over crowding? For instance, US servers will have tons of people cramming into a couple servers while other regions may not experience that. Still think the graphics play a role here. Someone pointed out the lag in Zeppelin games. It's possibly the worst on any server. Ultimately, you know more than we do, and you have to do what you can to make this better for all

Zup and all,

There may be a way to configure the game to have the best of both worlds....

Minimize lag AND play with friends.... hear me out and please share your thoughts on this idea....

what if each player had to assemble in the arena of their choice, a message says your plane is being fueled and loaded with ammo, get ready!!....

meanwhile the game can ping each player for the response time then start the match all at once for a closed game from then till over.... one spawns in at a time on each side every few seconds to prevent a dog pile start.... then it's game on!!

max of four players per side, only those signed up can reenter if a lost connection....

the game would be limited in duration, pick how long 10 minutes to 2 hours or what ever.... longer games mean potentially longer waits for the next start....

there is a 5 to 10 minute sign up sheet window to start a game and then it runs for the preset time, that's it.... Tally the scores a new match starts.... limiting the number of games going on at once to accommodate the server capacity. stagger start the matches among the servers and a new game should be able to start every few minutes....

this would allow for squad wars, meet in WC, agree on where and when, have a limited window of time to sign onto an arena and go for it.... it would be nice to be able to pick North or South also....

otherwise look at the Map sign-up sheet for friends or for the next available game and jump in and go for it....

I have given this some thought and feel I should weigh in here.

Zuperman has stated on more than one occasion that lag cannot be eliminated, only reduced. One way to reduce lag is to eliminate server choices, thus the tread. I see this as a double edged sword. One of the biggest strengths of this game is the ability to go from wc into a game with the folks you were just chatting with, correct? That is a HUGE positive whether you are coming from squad chat or world chat there is substantial likelihood you will land in the same mission as your friend with the current setup. Since lag can only be reduced and not completely eliminated per Zuperman, why eliminate one of the biggest assets of wc and dogfight attempting to remedy an issue which cannot be remedied? I believe the expression is "cutting of your nose to spite your face", or some such cliché.

I have put up with lag, as have the rest of us, for at least 10 months, my time in dogfight. We are all still here. Playing, complaining, arguing, making friends, joining squads, getting banned, and generally having a good time.

I have decided the feature to join games with friends is more important than some lag.

Zuperman I certainly hope you don't take that away from us. My experience tells me no matter what you do people will complain about something, especially with a group this large. Please consider that when making your decision whether or not to make the individual servers a choice for players.

***EDIT***Not for nothing but can you folks who have made this thread your battleground please take it to a new or different thread? No disrespect intended but I am hoping Zuperman is monitoring this thread and the extra plot line may be a distraction. Thanks.

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I wonder how many new players are lost every month because of poor game performance. I didn't really check into the forum for my first 3 months of playing. I wonder what percent of players actually take advantage of the social aspect of the game.


There was no choice of servers when I started. You either played or you didn't. If it changes now, only us 'old timers' will know there is a difference. New players will only know whether or not they like the way the game works. I have all of my planes fully upgraded, I have a squad, other than monthly fees I have nothing to spend $ on. I see no value for echoboom to focus on retaining players like me at the expense of losing new customers.

I have already shared the game with my friends, many of whom have tried it and all of whom have abandoned it citing poor function compared to other games. (Relentless spawnkilling was also complaint. )

I would love to be able to play with local friends and I'm fairly sure that I could get other friends to play if we could log into a local reliable server together.

Instead of going off topic to complain about people going off topic just stop. Please?

Okay while reading this thread I noticed people complaining about not being able to pick what match they go into I have an idea maybe we can have private matches that only subscribers can use and maybe they can invite people who haven't subscribed yet but the host can make a game like have the option of the mission and whether snow should be there and also pick the teams now I think that would be great and help get funds also it could substitute for our wanted squad wars because now we can just pick the teams with no problem and make the teams the way we want and if someone disconnects we can wait for them to rejoin because they have been invited and maybe u can make those games a little bigger like a 6 on 6 or a 5 on 5 just a thought I hope u can get to this zup but u probably won't BECAUSE OF ALL THE IMMATURE ARGUMENTS ON HERE!!!!!!

TBH|Jeromy wrote: Okay while reading this thread I noticed people complaining about not being able to pick what match they go into I have an idea maybe we can have private matches that only subscribers can use and maybe they can invite people who haven't subscribed yet but the host can make a game like have the option of the mission and whether snow should be there and also pick the teams now I think that would be great and help get funds also it could substitute for our wanted squad wars because now we can just pick the teams with no problem and make the teams the way we want and if someone disconnects we can wait for them to rejoin because they have been invited and maybe u can make those games a little bigger like a 6 on 6 or a 5 on 5 just a thought I hope u can get to this zup but u probably won't BECAUSE OF ALL THE IMMATURE ARGUMENTS ON HERE!!!!!!

Nuh uh...not immature doo doo head. Haha jk

McFate wrote: If you were coming to this game for the first time; you just freshly loaded it, did a few practice missions then logged into a multiplayer game, what would make the biggest difference to you?

If my first impression was freezing frames and seeing other players vanishing, teleporting, shooting lazars and invisibombing I would have left and deleted the game without bothering to build up skills.

If the server selection makes it so you can only go to the fastest server the game play will improve for everyone. It would be sad to not be able to play with everyone from anywhere but it will eventually settle out and if the game works better it will become a more worthwhile gaming experience.

I understand how people want to maintain the global social aspect but as a business model for echoboom, doesn't the game function have to be the top priority?

Sorry my friend McPate ( lol ) but I have to dis agree with you , with the greatest respect sir ENJOYMENT of the game must be the top priority not game function.

I agree with you, most of the people play together who become friend due to this channel, if server will decide automatically then it'll not be fair with those friends who live away from each other but want to play together for entertainment. The real phenomena of Globalisation will end if that happen. So don't let the server to decide please. You may classify the server into two categories as Mess 1 and Mess 2 and limit the speed on it. Mess 1 requires good connection whereas Mess 2 requires average connection. If this could be then at least Golbalisation will work.

The real phenomena of Globalisation will end if that happen. So don't let the server to decide please. You may classify the server into two categories as Mess 1 and Mess 2 and limit the speed on it. Mess 1 requires good connection whereas Mess 2 requires average connection. If this could be then at least Golbalisation will work.