I'm sick of the double standards with all this, there are unarmmed white men shot by black cops ALL the time (look up Dillon Taylor in Utah) but you never see a fuss made about it, much less violence, riots, store and flag burning. But god forbid a black man gets shot by a white officer.... Omg!!

Michael Brown was shot because he fought w a cop and reached for his gun causing him to feel his life was I danger, NOT because he is black!!!!

Our soldiers fight for your right to assemble and have the freedoms we all have today, can we stop burning flags, rioting, and making our country look like a bunch of idiots!

Mike brown was unarmed and in the video it showed brown had his hands up in surrender

Mr. Brandman wrote: Mike brown was unarmed and in the video it showed brown had his hands up in surrender

If that were even close to true don't you think there might be a trial?

A full jury examined ALL the evidence and concluded the officer did NOTHING wrong, so dont believe everything you hear/read

The sad truth to this is that this is not a black and white issue this is a community waiting to explode like a powder keg, individuals from outside this community lit the fuse such as Al Sharpton and other shysters like him. The sad part is all of the rioting and burning and violence was directed at their own community, they've done nothing to hurt anyone but themselves, they are very self destructive and obviously poorly educated and lack the capacity to reason things out, such as the true issue. This is when people like al Sharpton can step in and take advantage, inciting a riot and getting people hurt. the big secret is exactly how does al Sharpton profit from all this because you know he does not do it for free none of them do..

Mr. Brandman wrote: Mike brown was unarmed and in the video it showed brown had his hands up in surrender

What video was that? I'm interested to see it if there is actual footage.


I aslo think it's important to differentiate the peaceful protestors, of which there were many, from the joy looters and arsonists. I have a low tolerance for looters

The poor cop was innocent, I feel sorry for him

The riots were not about anger, it was stickly fun and games to them, simply an opportunity to create mayhem and violence.

They are nothing but disguesting human beings.

The so called black leaders {joke} make money off of the racial division, they could care less about about blacks, take a good hard look at black on black murders, GEEEEE WIZZZZZ THEY DONT SEEM TO CARE MUCH NOW DO THEY.

Yes Davey. Many of the violent protesters are out of town opporunists getting thier 15 mins of fame, sad.
We had several protests here in the Cleveland area, all peaceful thank God. Several hundred gathered in downtown public square and laid down in the street, while another group marched onto the highway, and blocked traffic in and out of town. But, peacefully they told them when fhey would leave, made thier pont and peacefully left as stated.
Sad truth is in Mo, they would have rioted no matter what the outcome was....

have you ever seen the whites tearing up their city after their hockey team wins or loses? now that is something that defies reason.

The Al Sharpton's of the world demand a fair an unbiased examination of all evidence that will result in the absolutely fair indictment and conviction of Ofc. Wilson. I have testified in front of a grand jury over one hundred times. The average time it takes them to examine a case for probable cause to proceed is about 10 minutes with me (the arresting officer) being the only witness. In that sense, you "could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich." Or, get the same grand jury to no bill a case. This grand jury examined every piece of evidence which included 3 separate autopsies. They also heard from every witness included the defendant, Ofc. Wilson, who apparently waived his Constitutional Right to take the 5th Amendment and refuse to answer questions. This was all highly unusual and clearly indicates the highest possible level of scrutiny being given to the incident. The grand jury (empaneled in May 3 months before the shooting) was anything but a rubber stamp.

The race baiters and media darlings will never accept anything less than a conviction. It does not enter remotely into their realm of possibilities that Ofc. Wilson could have been justified in shooting Brown. I would love for Al Sharpton to engage in a physical fight with a 6'4" 290 pound, 18 year old MAN. How many punches to the face would it take before the good reverend was in fear of his life. As a rookie officer many years ago, I worked an aggravated assault where a man had his throat cut literally ear to ear and survived. The "victim" continually shouted racial slurs at two black men eating dinner at a restaurant/ bar. The "victim" believed the restaurant to be a "white only" establishment. He tried to forcefully remove one of the black men and a struggle ensued. The "victim" proceeded to punch one of the black men in the face 3 times. The "victim" was pulling back for a fourth strike when the black man pulled a knife and cut his throat. The black men went to jail for aggravated assault. The grand jury no billed him believing he acted in self defense. The "victim" did 180 days in jail for misdemeanor assault with a hate crime enhancement.

No experienced peace officer expected Ofc. Wilson to be indicted. We have received hundreds of hours of training on acceptable uses of force. Being violently attacked by somebody bigger, younger, and stronger than you would certainly qualify as a deadly force encounter. Before we saint Michael Brown, we need to remember his last moments in this world. He got high, committed strong arm robbery (a felony), and assaulted a police officer and attempted to take his weapon (evidenced by DNA on the back of the front sight and abrasions to Brown's palm). While we are at it, when do we hold Dorian Johnson accountable? Dorian is the lying bag of crap that ignited these riots by claiming that Brown was executed while surrendering after they were harassed for no reason by Ofc. Wilson.

@Brandman- There is no video. That level of ignorance being used to cultivate an opinion is a great example of why this country is failing.

Show me that video pleas. I want to see that.

horriblebreast wrote: have you ever seen the whites tearing up their city after their hockey team wins or loses? now that is something that defies reason.

m.imgur.com/gallery/rYd72

I grew up in St. Louis. I lived for a long time where they shut down the highway on Monday night. I also lived for about a year in Ferguson. I am a white male, who also attended an inner city mostly African American high school in St. Louis.

With that said, I think there are a few things for this mostly white audience to consider. The first is that there is never a “good” shooting. I think we can all agree on that. Second, consider that maybe Officer Wilson is a flawed human like all of us who acted impulsively after a confrontation that terrified him. Third, consider that Brown was a punk ass teenager, as many of us were at 18, who was making some stupid mistakes. Fourth, consider the billion ways the event could have happened without a “good” or bad shooting but didn’t. Last, consider how the incident is such a norm that the jurors don’t see it fit for this kind of mundane, everyday event to go to trial.

Had it happened once, had it happened with a member of society in a community where social unfairness isn’t plainly seen – then the riots we see would not be happening. Consider for a moment one other thing – that maybe the community of Ferguson and the greater St. Louis area have a legitimate complaint, and consider what you would do if you were them.

It's on the news here too. Lately even the so called tolerant Holland has its fair share of race discrimination debate.

There are a lot of idiots in the world of ALL races.

Race is a difficult term, isn't it? Mostly issues called 'race related' is more a sub culture issue.

Personally I think every 'race' is responsible for its own reputation.
We encourge hypocracy if we make laws to stop racism.
If an employer doesn't want someone from a certain race, he is either a short sighted fool, or he is right.
He will only say that the applicant 'didn't fit in the team' or something like that.

If I say for instance: "All chinese are lazy", what am I then? A short sighted fool, or simply right?
Neither of that is a criminal act, being a fool or being right, but saying it makes it criminal.
Hateful propaganda should be countered with reason.
But what if statistics make me profile on the basis of race?

We ALL profile based on a lot of things, race is one of them.

So to everyone from every race I would say:

REPRESENT BROTHER!

[NLR] Finn wrote: I grew up in St. Louis. I lived for a long time where they shut down the highway on Monday night. I also lived for about a year in Ferguson. I am a white male, who also attended an inner city mostly African American high school in St. Louis.

With that said, I think there are a few things for this mostly white audience to consider. The first is that there is never a “good” shooting. I think we can all agree on that. Second, consider that maybe Officer Wilson is a flawed human like all of us who acted impulsively after a confrontation that terrified him. Third, consider that Brown was a punk ass teenager, as many of us were at 18, who was making some stupid mistakes. Fourth, consider the billion ways the event could have happened without a “good” or bad shooting but didn’t. Last, consider how the incident is such a norm that the jurors don’t see it fit for this kind of mundane, everyday event to go to trial.

Had it happened once, had it happened with a member of society in a community where social unfairness isn’t plainly seen – then the riots we see would not be happening. Consider for a moment one other thing – that maybe the community of Ferguson and the greater St. Louis area have a legitimate complaint, and consider what you would do if you were them.

Gee I wonder if the cops had a legitimate complaint about the parents not teaching their 18 year old gentle giant not to be a thug, thief and a major bully who came after the cop and probably would have killed him.

I think the cops should all quit, then let's see what happens in their community. The liberal mindset has a philosophy, NEVER LET A BAD SITUATION GO TO WASTE. this is nothing more than the radical left taking advantage of a unfortunate situation.



I just feel really sorry for the ones that live there that are law abiding and I feel sorry for the ones who were burnt out and lost their livelihood. A year from now the same thugs will be complaining about people not investing in their community and lack of jobs.
Go figure

I definitely agree that there is no "good" use of force by police even when it is justified. Is there a pattern of unfair treatment towards minority citizens and specifically black Americans? There certainly is historically. That cannot be denied. Even though socialists philosophers wrote about the "velvet hand in the iron glove" to describe American police and their empowerment to enforce the status quo of the haves versus the have-nots seemed oversimplified and a bit of a stretch, there is an element of truth, also. Laws are passed by the groups in power, and historically minority members of our community have not held power. Fortunately, the Constitution limits these laws. All law enforcement exists to punish criminal violations of which the only socially questionable prohibitions general fall into intoxicant categories. For example, we all agree that murder, theft, rape, child abuse are wrong. We do not all agree that marijuana should be illegal.

The real question is the perception of mistreatment of the black community by the majority community both officially through government and unofficially through bias real? Obviously it cannot be answered here or anywhere. It is a question of perception which is reality. Black Americans are clearly more participative and mobile in our society than ever before to the extent our President is from that community replete with a Harvard Law degree even out of a single parent household. I think the folks in Ferguson have realized that Mr. Brown was the wrong face for the movement. They are trying to show the August shooting as some greater societal issue. The ugly fact remains that Brown was in the midst of a literal crime spree at the time of his fatal encounter with law enforcement.

The mythology of law enforcement propagated by ill informed citizens has convinced them that an officer has special training to physically control someone of Brown's size without hurting him. The officer is an expert marksman to the point that they can shoot a moving target to wound on the target's extremities. The officer should be able to immediately recognize all manner of medical maladies that could explain erratic behavior. The officer should be able to expertly distinguish in a split second a realistic toy from an actual gun. The officer should be able to effectively communicate in all languages used in their community. The officer should be able to solve complex social dilemmas like chronic poverty, single parent homes, addiction, etc...

The reality is that officers are plain people. Their incidents of force are examined through the lens of what a similarly trained OFFICER would find reasonable. Their decisions are graded on what they knew at that moment, not the product of an exhaustive several month investigation. In other words, the public will always be skeptical and fall for the cover up myth. I am completely biased on this. Policing in this country is the most professional, competent, honest, and transparent that it has ever been. Further, it is a model to the entire world! There are over 800000 police officers in this country. We have the lowest frequency of ethical misconduct out of every other possible vocation including CLERGY!! The public expects perfection. It is just not reasonable. Sorry for the rant.

Cops can complain. They can also educate parents. They can also hire other officers who are not white (only one in Ferguson). What they can't do is shoot parents, which is what some may think you are insinuating.

And if the cops quit, as you think they should, then you can feel even more sorry for those "law abiding citizens" who live in the area as I once did. In fact, if all cops quit, then we can all feel sorry for each other no matter what neighborhood we live in.

And those liberals... I'm not sure I followed your logic there. But think of all those high taxes they force on us to help pay for those too low police salaries and fancy gadgets they have.

I swore an oath. Quitting is not an option. I would gladly stand the line in Ferguson. I wish they would make a mutual aid request like Louisiana did during Hurricane Katrina. I'd be there in a second. The Constitution is bigger than mobs and vigilantism. Sooner or later the criminal element will depart Ferguson. The people legitimately protesting their government will be there to continue a peaceful protest. A dialogue will begin, and the community will move on. The officers that stuck it out will be praised by everyone in that community especially sense it will probably get worse before it gets better.

[*M] MISFIT CROCKETT wrote:

[NLR] Finn wrote: I grew up in St. Louis. I lived for a long time where they shut down the highway on Monday night. I also lived for about a year in Ferguson. I am a white male, who also attended an inner city mostly African American high school in St. Louis.

With that said, I think there are a few things for this mostly white audience to consider. The first is that there is never a “good” shooting. I think we can all agree on that. Second, consider that maybe Officer Wilson is a flawed human like all of us who acted impulsively after a confrontation that terrified him. Third, consider that Brown was a punk ass teenager, as many of us were at 18, who was making some stupid mistakes. Fourth, consider the billion ways the event could have happened without a “good” or bad shooting but didn’t. Last, consider how the incident is such a norm that the jurors don’t see it fit for this kind of mundane, everyday event to go to trial.

Had it happened once, had it happened with a member of society in a community where social unfairness isn’t plainly seen – then the riots we see would not be happening. Consider for a moment one other thing – that maybe the community of Ferguson and the greater St. Louis area have a legitimate complaint, and consider what you would do if you were them.

Gee I wonder if the cops had a legitimate complaint about the parents not teaching their 18 year old gentle giant not to be a thug, thief and a major bully who came after the cop and probably would have killed him.

I think the cops should all quit, then let's see what happens in their community. The liberal mindset has a philosophy, NEVER LET A BAD SITUATION GO TO WASTE. this is nothing more than the radical left taking advantage of a unfortunate situation.



I just feel really sorry for the ones that live there that are law abiding and I feel sorry for the ones who were burnt out and lost their livelihood. A year from now the same thugs will be complaining about people not investing in their community and lack of jobs.
Go figure

I'm sorry guys, when I said quit i said that just to make a point, of course I wouldn't expect that to happen. You are all making great points and this is a good discussion. Nothing will ever get solved if we don't have discussions like this.

Good job guys, sorry I misrepresented my point.

[NLR] Finn wrote: ...Fourth, consider the billion ways the event could have happened without a “good” or bad shooting but didn’t...

You make some good points, but I'll take counterpoint on this particular one. Depending on what evidence we believe (and what evidence we think might be in place but mot public due to the judgment), this isn't a billion to one kind of scenario. If we believe that the young man was the aggressor, there are a similar billion ways that the series of events would still have led to the policeman defending himself. And when you put a cop in the situation of having to defend himself, there will not be any "good" result.

Respectfully,
Manfred

I haven't studied this case at all so I'm not inclined to comment on it particularly. I am compelled to say that I appreciate everyone's comments. I can't literally put myself in a minority's shoes but after being harassed by law enforcement across the country primarily due to my appearance and riding chopped Harleys.I get an idea where they are comig from. It does get to you after a while when you cant walk down the street to work without being stopped and questioned and searched Etc. Ive been told more than times than I can remember if you just get a haircut and shave we wont bother you, I couldve done that. I chose not to, this is america.That isnt an option for for someone thats black they cant change the way they look.I There are many good law enforcers and many bad, just like anyone. Tex I really enjoyed your posts and I seriously believe you're one of the good ones. So thats my rant

The fact that an unarmed child was shot by a cop should at least say the police force has some serious training issues. So, it stands to reason that the cop didn't do anything wrong.

What seems to pass over everyone's head is that the cop was let off because he was 'afraid' for his life. If that was true, then why would he follow Michael brown 150 feet away from his car. Even my father, who is a cop, thinks that excuse was BS and the cop was wrong.

As for the video and evidence people are talking about, you won't see the evidence, because the government is keeping it secret. Just remember that you should trust your government......said every corrupt government ever.

Instant I heard of the riots, I simply facepalmed, it'd only take 1.5 seconds of reasonable thinking to see the officer only did as he was trained to do to protect the very citizens that hated him for using his training god I hate america, luckily i'm only in the USA for the holidays ^^; (sorry for nosing in on your country's problems, and very VERY sorry if I insulted you)

Wow, lots of good points, looters should be shot. Nothing wrong with peaceful protests though. Who is the real instigator though. This story was chosen to be pushed and propagated. The media is controlled by the govt. Every book and every movie has to be approved by govt before being released to the American public. I said that to say this. They want a race war. The white male is either constantly emasculated or shown as a killer on American tv. They want us to hate each other. Blacks openly speak negative of other races, but one white comedian says a racial slur and he's banned for life. If we're fighting each other, then we're not paying attention to the real problem. The lawmakers. Trying to keep the economy growing by creating ridiculous laws to tax the people and to fill the prisons. I think its insane how much garbage they teach in American schools. I couldn't even post on thanksgiving because I didn't wanna ruin everyone's day , but do you think the native Americans still celebrate thankstaking day. Hell no they don't. Cuz they're all dead. Do you think they would have sat down that day to break bread if they knew it was just a hustle. 14th, no, 17th in education but first in military. That's pathetic. We've never left any country we've invaded because winning or losing wasn't the point. Its always been about money and power. I think our army is in 70 something different countries as of right now. Under the influence that war makes peace. War only makes war. Love makes peace. Which leads me to my next point.

There is definitely an abuse of power in within the police force. When an officer uses a tazer on an 11 yr old girl, the officer should get his are whooped publicly. I watched a video of seven cops beating and tazing a homeless guy in the genatalia while he screamed for his dad. Turned out his dad was a judge and that he hadn't taken his meds. Four if the officers got arrested but they would've got away with it if not for the video. The sad thing is they can do whatever they want. If you don't believe me go on a ride along. I have a friend who's ex Houston PD, first day on job, robbed a gas station, in uniform. Would pull pretty girls over and say ticket or *ussy. I know another woman who had to get the FBI involved so she could stopped getting raped by a local PD. All these fired cops just go to another town and do the same thing all over again. Usually worse the second time around. Dont get me wrong, there is some good ones out there. Just not that many. Also, all the steroids cops take makes them prone to violence. You know what a cop thinks when your polite to him... Damn... He wants to slam a face on the concrete not be polite. Ok, that's enough of my early morning rant. Just to clarify where I stand on thus particular issue, u believe he had full justification. What would you have done...

nixkillin wrote: Wow, lots of good points, looters should be shot. Nothing wrong with peaceful protests though. Who is the real instigator though. This story was chosen to be pushed and propagated. The media is controlled by the govt. Every book and every movie has to be approved by govt before being released to the American public. I said that to say this. They want a race war. The white male is either constantly emasculated or shown as a killer on American tv. They want us to hate each other. Blacks openly speak negative of other races, but one white comedian says a racial slur and he's banned for life. If we're fighting each other, then we're not paying attention to the real problem. The lawmakers. Trying to keep the economy growing by creating ridiculous laws to tax the people and to fill the prisons. I think its insane how much garbage they teach in American schools. I couldn't even post on thanksgiving because I didn't wanna ruin everyone's day , but do you think the native Americans still celebrate thankstaking day. Hell no they don't. Cuz they're all dead. Do you think they would have sat down that day to break bread if they knew it was just a hustle. 14th, no, 17th in education but first in military. That's pathetic. We've never left any country we've invaded because winning or losing wasn't the point. Its always been about money and power. I think our army is in 70 something different countries as of right now. Under the influence that war makes peace. War only makes war. Love makes peace. Which leads me to my next point.

There is definitely an abuse of power in within the police force. When an officer uses a tazer on an 11 yr old girl, the officer should get his are whooped publicly. I watched a video of seven cops beating and tazing a homeless guy in the genatalia while he screamed for his dad. Turned out his dad was a judge and that he hadn't taken his meds. Four if the officers got arrested but they would've got away with it if not for the video. The sad thing is they can do whatever they want. If you don't believe me go on a ride along. I have a friend who's ex Houston PD, first day on job, robbed a gas station, in uniform. Would pull pretty girls over and say ticket or *ussy. I know another woman who had to get the FBI involved so she could stopped getting raped by a local PD. All these fired cops just go to another town and do the same thing all over again. Usually worse the second time around. Dont get me wrong, there is some good ones out there. Just not that many. Also, all the steroids cops take makes them prone to violence. You know what a cop thinks when your polite to him... Damn... He wants to slam a face on the concrete not be polite. Ok, that's enough of my early morning rant. Just to clarify where I stand on thus particular issue, u believe he had full justification. What would you have done...

Personally, i woulda shot him in the leg , but every warrior wants that first confirmed kill or they're not complete. So, yea, I think it was a little excessive. Its no longer protect and serve, its force and dominate. I know single white females that would rather see a group of thugs walking past than a group of cops. What would you rather see in a dark alley. Five guys that look like thugs whispering, or five cops doing the same. I could care less about the thugs but I know for a fact the cops shouldn't be there. Absolute power, absolutely corrupts...

I deleted my comment. Sorry for calling Nix out as stupid. I think his theory is far fetched at best. Hit, keep posting incidents of police misconduct. Once you hit 8000, you will have founded documented misconduct for all of 1% of police officers in this country. Once you hit 80000 documented cases, you have only shown 10% of officers have been proven to engage in misconduct. Of course, that does not account for past with present. Also, some of what you posted the officer was found not guilty in court by a jury of their peers. So clearly justice is only what you agree with, and I can't argue with that. Have wonderful and fulfilled lives.

One last thing, all American public news comes from Reuters and the associated press. Completely filtered, watered down, and twisted to the point of view they want you to have. Then regurgitated on every other channel and repeated so many times that you start to agree with it....
I could go on like this for days....
If you don't believe me just do the research.
All that being said, I'm a patriot. I'd never abandon my country or forsake it. Its a lot better than most places and all my friends here. Also, I'm done getting political on my favorite game...

Lol this is America...with you on this one TX. Had a lot to say, but I think it for the best I not say anything.

I know I said I was done but I have no choice. The case I mentioned about the FBI. Was Cleveland, TX. Victim was Renee bell and she was a good friend of mine. A single mother with four kids. Also, I've personally been assaulted by police officers in TX numerous times as a youth. Choked, hit with flashlights, and stolen from. I even got one fired. Very easy to have misconduct when you can do anything you want. Also, i know for a fact, a cop, right here in Tx, fired three times and hired again somewhere else in Tx. I will find you all the evidence you need. And a link to the story about the homeless guy. After that I'm done

I know I said I was done but I have no choice. The case I mentioned about the FBI. Was Cleveland, TX. Victim was Renee bell and she was a good friend of mine. A single mother with four kids. Also, I've personally been assaulted by police officers in TX numerous times as a youth. Choked, hit with flashlights, and stolen from. I even got one fired. Very easy to have misconduct when you can do anything you want. Also, i know for a fact, a cop, right here in Tx, fired three times and hired again somewhere else in Tx. I will find you all the evidence you need. And a link to the story about the homeless guy. After that I'm done.

post scriptum,
when I say govt. I really mean corporations. Because you ate absolutely correct on that issue

Txlaw. Try not to be so rude.

Calling people stupid brings into question your intelligence that you're attempting to claim by citing your degrees as your proof to your opinion. But the only thing you can prove it you don't know what happened. So drop the attempt to be omnipotent and act your age.

Even my 9 year old doesn't name call just because she doesn't get her way.