8 times I was shot down with in seconds of spawning , what is the point , what does it prove when you camp and shoot people down before they can get airborne .Shame on you!! I am not saying all on the board were doing it ,but those that were, need to have a think about their actions...

[m]Pagan Avenger wrote:

8 times I was shot down with in seconds of spawning , what is the point , what does it prove when you camp and shoot people down before they can get airborne .Shame on you!! I am not saying all on the board were doing it ,but those that were, need to have a think about their actions...

I think it proves you picked a bad time to launch.

At least give him some pointers, lock the brakes, look around, Choose your take off time. sirPagan, be glad Cricket, KeroZen, Calle, or Lowenbrow, or whatever his name is, weren't in that game. Super campers, most call it a "tactic".

Cricket wrote:

[m]Pagan Avenger wrote:

8 times I was shot down with in seconds of spawning , what is the point , what does it prove when you camp and shoot people down before they can get airborne .Shame on you!! I am not saying all on the board were doing it ,but those that were, need to have a think about their actions...

I think it proves you picked a bad time to launch.

Oh right so it was pagans fault for taking off ? Nicely twisted in an attempt to hide the fact that campers are ass holes and no doubt the type that would hit you from behind and run a mile in a fair fight. Put simply its a cowards trick

As you once put it Johnnie, ass hole in game, ass hole in real life.

Don't pretend you ain't got one on the bottom of you.

Spawnkilling exists. In DF matches, you don't choose where you or the enemy spawns. everybody will spawn with a plane above them one time or another. You can either leave your fate up to them to or you can put it in your own hands and launch when you find an opening to initiate the turn. Doesn't make someone an asshole for teaching a very important lesson. DF 101.

And for the record, FaFaFriend. I am always teaching people how to use their throttle and brakes properly.

I personally have no objection to camping. The only mission in which it mildly annoys me is a bombing mission. And even then, only when the player never had a bomb to start. If a guy gets through, he can play tag all he wants.
In zepppelin, ctc, dogfight... free food, mate.
Just my two cents. My personal philosiphy.


And oh yeah. I am GOD-AWFUL at turnfighting, so I'm not even really good at camping, or stopping campers. My solution, is to stop them before they arrive. I can't kill anyone with a top-tier plane. I like to hope that it has to do with my plane being just under half-upgraded and my inability to use tilt controls, combined with the fact I'm on a cell phone that's five years old. It's probably just that I suck.

For those who haven't experimented with brakes/throttle yet, when the camper is almost in the position you want them in overhead, max the throttle with the brake on - when your plane begins to tip forward release the brake. It takes about 4 seconds from the time you max the throttle until you start moving. If you time it right you'll be airborne while the camper is still turning around for the next pass - lose your bomb(s) as fast as possible and try to engage.
If there are other blues getting picked off at the same time, sometimes I'll try and make a run for it and get a little distance from the base - if you're lucky the camper will pursue and one of your teammates will engage the camper from behind while they're zeroing in on you, or you can turn around and engage yourself if you manage to slip away.
If all else fails, find another game - it's not worth getting upset over

If all else fails, find another game - it's not worth getting upset over

Right on brother!

After dropped the bomb, do spawnkilling is a miserable and unfair practical and it is bad to endure it.
There's nothing worse than hitting someone who can not defend themselves.

For the sake of conversation or debate, why would spawn killing from a plane for cheap kills be acceptable but spawn killing from a tank for cheap kills not be acceptable?

[*M] bware wrote: For the sake of conversation or debate, why would spawn killing from a plane for cheap kills be acceptable but spawn killing from a tank for cheap kills not be acceptable?

Because you can defend yourself from a plane. Again, the brakes. They are as much a part of your plane as the guns, the throttle, the bomb, etc. It's a tool every pilot should know how to use. There are times when an enemy WILL be on top of you. Shouting "Spawnkiller!" Won't stop them but your brakes will.

There is no defending from a tank which is why it is not allowed.

I'd also like to point out that just because you light someone up on the runway doesn't mean you are going for cheap kills. Your duty should be to your team and if letting them up is a DIRECT threat to you of your teammates, it ain't cheap. All it takes from them is two shots to end your team's chances.

Cricket wrote:

[*M] bware wrote: For the sake of conversation or debate, why would spawn killing from a plane for cheap kills be acceptable but spawn killing from a tank for cheap kills not be acceptable?

Because you can defend yourself from a plane. Again, the brakes. They are as much a part of your plane as the guns, the throttle, the bomb, etc. It's a tool every pilot should know how to use. There are times when an enemy WILL be on top of you. Shouting "Spawnkiller!" Won't stop them but your brakes will.

There is no defending from a tank which is why it is not allowed.

I'd also like to point out that just because you light someone up on the runway doesn't mean you are going for cheap kills. Your duty should be to your team and if letting them up is a DIRECT threat to you of your teammates, it ain't cheap. All it takes from them is two shots to end your team's chances.

I see. What about in a dogfight mission?

My opinion; I'm not against it. It's a race to 15, right? Don't give your opponent any freebies. BRAKES! I get that sometimes it's hard, just try your best.

And In response to johnnie kent... Whenever I get spawnkilled (which rarely happens simply because I use my brakes) I can only blame myself. Nobody forces me to throttle up.

Give us those sweet words to live by that you once so elegantly stated in the past Mr. Kent.

Step 1. Lock brakes

step 2. Full throttle

step 3. Wait until your plane starts to flip,and release breaks.

step 4. Pull hard up

this is how you take off faster than normal,and while breaks are locked,they can't shoot you

I always here use your breaks. Bla bla. Yeah that does a.lot of good when you have a camper that stays behind the base never passing the spawn point of where you spawn. And there are a few that let you just get your wheels off the ground. So they can say their not spawn Lilongwe. Just low they say tactics so.they can sleep at night. And its really scummy to do on an outnumbered pilot. The only game where camping is accepted is the Sep.game. and even then spawn killing is low. Letting a pilot up and giving him.a chance shows some consideration and respect. And is usually returned back to you. Some say I don't care what people think of me well here's good news for them no one really thinks anything of you

phoenix22 wrote: Step 1. Lock brakes

step 2. Full throttle

step 3. Wait until your plane starts to flip,and release breaks.

step 4. Pull hard up

this is how you take off faster than normal,and while breaks are locked,they can't shoot you

It won't work bombs r heavy

Unfortunately this is one of those "nice guys finish last" situations.

When I manage to get airborne under campers I often wonder how hard they were trying to spawnkill me. It's a bummer to know that my odds of shooting down a "good guy" are better than my odds of shooting down a "bad guy". Each time I get spawnkilled I try to make a mental note of who did it in hopes that I can return the favour some time.

@ cricket: I understand what you're saying about it being up to the defender to manage the situation when they are the target of a spawnkillers, but tell me.... do you really play such a cutthroat game that you will spawn kill every time you have the opportunity regardless of the player's rank and skill? Are you in support of this or are you just saying that it happens and since there is nothing you can do about preventing anyone from trying you simply have to deal with it? I'm thinking about the newer players here who are reading this because they are trying to learn more about the game. Are you advocating spawnkilling as legitimate and encouraged practice or are you just saying that there are ways of dealing with it?


@ all those who claim to oppose it; are you completely against it? It's a common thing for many otherwise "considerate" players to spawnkill in the end of zep games or while on a bombing approach to south base. I ask you, Is it necessary or is it just a situation where you have decided that it is okay. Do you do it to anyone regardless of rank of the opponent? Is there really no other way to "support your team" or to better your chances of a successful run? If you believe that it is okay to spawn kill all the way into South base you are choosing a behavior that I think is cheap. No big deal here. I don't think you're a bad person or suspect that you would beat your children just because your morals don't match mine. There are probably many times when my bombing runs fail because of my choice not to spawn kill. Have I failed my team? If you're on my side have I let you down?


I'm just trying to point out that it is not all cut and dry. There is no absolute definition of what is acceptable when it comes to spawnkilling. I still think it would be best for the game and everyone in it if there were a period of immunity when you spawn, not just when the brakes are on. Somewhere around 7-8 seconds? It would also be good to turn South base 90º so there were less of an advantage for incoming bombers who are obnoxious enough to spawn kill their whole way in after the last hill.

Good points by all here. But with respect to Pagan Avenger I believe the thread was about a dogfight mission.

[*M] bware wrote: Good points by all here. But with respect to Pagan Avenger I believe the thread was about a dogfight mission.

Oh yea, I meant to tie that in.

The worst thing about Pegan's situation is that 8 spawn kills in a dogfight would most likely require more than one spawnkiller. Oh well. Take note of who they are so you can return the favor or just be more cautious when you see them.

BTW, I think it's far worse and less "justifiable" to sk in a capture the carrier game. ( I'm talking about at the base here. On the ship is fair game.) And also there are times when I will spawn kill to cover incoming blue bombers. The funny thing is that I feel les conflicted about that than I do when it's only for myself.



Someone should start a "psychiatric help" for dogfight thread. I could use a couch and a cup of warm tea.

Well.Im.not one.for.spawn killing in any game. Especially in a dog fight. That why it's called.dog fight. Not spawn kill. The mission is to test yourself against others. And. I never fire at the spawn point on a bombing run. Especially when it's a noob. I do fire on bomb runs I'm not crazy I just see no.point in shooting a person before he can even move. Never saw the point of that

I happen to let people fly, but I don't impose that on others. Actually, if it's a high ranker, I will shoot much closer to liftoff. If it's Davy, Cricket, or someone else who might eat my lunch in a chase, I got to blast 'em. Or die trying.

If I'm in a Dogfight mission and another player is winning with some spawn kills, directing my frustration at the spawnkiller would be highly misplaced. I am mad at the noob who is handing over the free kills! Stand on your brakes, for the love of Pete! Time your takeoff! Watch your radar! If someone is camping behind you, they are not hovering; spin your view and watch radar, and figure out the moment that he banks away in his circle.

I've lost a few Dogfight games to lower rankers because the noobs keep laying themselves out on the runway for them. Drives me nuts.

Manfred

darraxx wrote: Well.Im.not one.for.spawn killing in any game. Especially in a dog fight. That why it's called.dog fight. Not spawn kill. The mission is to test yourself against others. And. I never fire at the spawn point on a bombing run. Especially when it's a noob. I do fire on bomb runs I'm not crazy I just see no.point in shooting a person before he can even move. Never saw the point of that

sometimes,in a dogfight,I spawn kill MORAFs and air marshals,because if they get in the air I'm dead,dogfight is about farming kills

Serious question as it would seem like I should know this but...

Since you can spawn in at one of four locations in DF mode and two of them are not "owned" by your side, the brakes option doesn't work half the time, right? I seem to remember spawning in, hitting my brakes and getting SK and then realizing I wasn't at my base. Did I dream this? If not, to me, it throws a wrench into the SK in DF mode argument. No different then getting SK by a tank at that point.

True hawk very true. It's no different. And a Guy flying behind your base never passing the spawn point is no better than a tank sitting behind the spawn point.

Why don't we write down all the people names that spawn kill and put a bountey on their head

Weather[*M]an wrote: Give us those sweet words to live by that you once so elegantly stated in the past Mr. Kent.

Certainly brother .... it was something along the lines of I have come to the conclusion with this game that if a player is an ass hole in game id bet my savings hes an asshole in life

Cricket yes your right i do have an ass hole but i dont talk out of mine
I could pick holes in your argument all night but ive not got the time or as others have stated its not worth getting annoyed over , I accept you have a different point of view on the matter but I stand by what I said and it will always be a cheap way of winning or gaining points

Tip: don't take off straight down the runway. A revved motor will take off in just a few feeet of runway, easily behind the carrier superstructure or in the midst of the buildings for cover. Turn a little, brake, hear the tink tink of incoming, turn to watch the spawner, when he turns away turn a little more, until you take off in an unexpected direction.

Who wants to know my opinion on spawnkilling? Well regardless, here it is. Spawnkilling=not cool. I personally do not think it is acceptable under any circumstances. Nor is camping. However if u have just bombed or something and u have other teammates coming in i see no problem keeping the reds off them till they get a chance to drop their bombs AS LONG AS U LET THE REDS AT LEAST GET IN THE AIR FOR A FEW SECONDS. I believe spawnkilling declares "i suck too much to face someone head on so im gonna rack up kills like a loser." (And btw although i mean that last statement i mean no offense to anyone who disagrees. It is simply my view of the situation) so there u have it. My two cents worth, as it were. I resign myself from this argument. Fly. Kill. Die. Have fun. Goodbye.