Last night I entered a mission against G.I. JimmytheGreat. For a Major General, Jimmy was kicking red and taking names. I tossed my Fokker D.VIII at him. He tossed it back in tatters. Twice. Knowing that no breed of Camel takes down a D.VIII at range with a single shot, I endeavored to conduct an experiment. I got in close, engaged, we chased, eventually I caught Jimmy by the tail.

I have never seen a plane move that quickly, evade damage that consistently, or Teflon away bullets that slippery...ly.

When asked if he plays on PC Jimmy answered in the affirmative. HEROICZ, Jimmy and another PC user mentioned that a new sensitivity control similar to the one we've long had for Android/Apple has just been introduced for Windows users. "Ah ha", says I to myself.

The sensitivity control introduced this week for PC is completely out of whack. I've seen Windows users in hyper-drive before, but this is ridiculous. I watched Jimmy bob and weave, knew where he was at all times, had his tail in view most of the time...and nothing I threw at him hit. I mean, like, NOTHING. Like, direct hits, inarguable, no question...but when the bullets got there he was gone. His Camel blew past me at such blinding speed he not only couldn't be clipped, he all but couldn't be seen.

If this comes to be the commonplace case with all Windows users Dogfight will be unplayable. The overclocked sensitivity slider for PC needs to be dialed back a couple thousand percent, and quick.

--w--

p.s. This incident happened on the Messines server, the nearest, strongest, most stable connection for me, and no other non-Windows players were exhibiting warp speed, everything else appeared normal. It wasn't lag, nor my connection, nor JimmytheGreat's connection.

Wigbomb wrote: Last night I entered a mission against G.I. JimmytheGreat. For a Major General, Jimmy was kicking red and taking names. I tossed my Fokker D.VIII at him. He tossed it back in tatters. Twice. Knowing that no breed of Camel takes down a D.VIII at range with a single shot, I endeavored to conduct an experiment. I got in close, engaged, we chased, eventually I caught Jimmy by the tail.

I have never seen a plane move that quickly, evade damage that consistently, or Teflon away bullets that slippery...ly.

When asked if he plays on PC Jimmy answered in the affirmative. HEROICZ, Jimmy and another PC user mentioned that a new sensitivity control similar to the one we've long had for Android/Apple has just been introduced for Windows users. "Ah ha", says I to myself.

The sensitivity control introduced this week for PC is completely out of whack. I've seen Windows users in hyper-drive before, but this is ridiculous. I watched Jimmy bob and weave, knew where he was at all times, had his tail in view most of the time...and nothing I threw at him hit. I mean, like, NOTHING. Like, direct hits, inarguable, no question...but when the bullets got there he was gone. His Camel blew past me at such blinding speed he not only couldn't be clipped, he all but couldn't be seen.

If this comes to be the commonplace case with all Windows users Dogfight will be unplayable. The overclocked sensitivity slider for PC needs to be dialed back a couple thousand percent, and quick.

--w--

p.s. This incident happened on the Messines server, the nearest, strongest, most stable connection for me, and no other non-Windows players were exhibiting warp speed, everything else appeared normal. It wasn't lag, nor my connection, nor JimmytheGreat's connection.

Hahaha, warp speed, someone, any one, star trek reference now.

jimmy mentioned to me last night he had found the sensitivity slider for pc. i was under the impression it just wasnt available for pc so that was news to me. i haven't tried it out myself yet, but if i can go warp speed....well then!

I use my PC about half the times I play and haven't noticed any change. There is a sensitivity slider when flying with the "Realistic" view, but it seems normal. I don't think it's possible to change sensitivity in "Simple" view - I wish it was, because the plane moves much slower compared to using the same view on my phone.

I think I was his first victim he came in saying he was testing new sensitivty on widows. So I now what u meen wig I could get but I think it was just luck he was fast

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is what I been saying!!!!!!!!!! Windows 8 users reply in defence "learn how to fly better" what a load of bs. Id like to see zebra and ziza do as good on tab or phone. Schmucks

2 things, 1: It's the same speed on the tablet I've used as it is on a PC, at least in my testing. Except one can acutely aim on a tablet at full speed. It could be the new update, as I've noticed a lot more speedily plane type lag, and dead on shots passing through a plane.
2: I agree as well It bothers me a ton when someone says "Learn how to fly better" it's highly arrogant and dismissive.

Speed is always the same. The only thing that sensitivity may help you turn faster.
Zebra wrote to me a million... no... a trillion... no... a megazilliontrillion emails complaining that he could get killed by any plane because he didn't have the sensitivity setting so I added it back.

Now if you tell me it is clearly a superior advantage, well, sorry for Zebra but I will pull it back to were it was.

Zuperman, its like this....u get into a turn fight with a windows 8 user than unless u r super lucky ur gonna loose everytime. Its even difficult to shoot down a starter plane when ur chasing it in a top tier. Idk how others feel about this. But I dont agree that they should have the extra advantage and be able to turn, when so e of us r breaking our backs for upgrades just to keep up.

1: It's the same speed on the tablet I've used as it is on a PC, at least in my testing. Except one can acutely aim on a tablet at full speed. It could be the new update, as I've noticed a lot more speedily plane type lag, and dead on shots passing through a plane.

By speed I meant turning speed.
I hope before anything is changed we can see more people comment that play on both PCs and tilt. To avoid a -the grass is greener- effect.

In starting this discussion I wasn't pretending to have any empirical data on the subject, that's why I kept it restricted to one anecdote. Zebra and I have gone several rounds on the Win8 topic, what I've come away with is this; Windows users have certain disadvantages when working with arrow keys on a standard keyboard. They seem to crash more frequently, they say there's an aiming deficit. What I've observed on the receiving end is that Win8 still suffers from some degree of inherent sync lag; a Windows user can shoot down a plane at a greater distance with what appears to be fewer shots. This may be due in part to the larger displays most of them use. In dogfights and in near passes Windows users frequently hit from unnatural angles; it common to be looking at the side of a Win8 player's fuselage and be shot down by him. This can only be the product of sync lag. The Win user is seeing you in his gun sights at the moment that you see him from the side or flying away.

All that has been around since Dogfight was first made Windows compatible. This speed boost I described is something new. When the player I mentioned circled through my field of view it was easily twice, perhaps three times, as fast as a normal plane would pass. Too fast by far to catch him with a shot. I did catch him eventually but it took considerably longer than it should have under the circumstances.

I would like to see Windows users on an even playing field with the rest of us, by which I mean just as much losing their disadvantages as their unrealistic advantages. But the blinding speed boost is something that doesn't even the odds, it makes playing against them more or less impossible. It can't help but ruin the game for them, as well, since there's no baseline from which we all operate; they're going hell bent for election and we're having to bomb-dump or exit to a different server to get a balanced game.

Ok so if I may? Lets make a list of these two differences of everything we have gather about the windows users and tab/phone users and see where were at in this.

Windows 8.1
Bad Even more bad Good
1. Turns sharper
2. Can shoot farther
3. Bigger Screen

Worse Worser Bad
1. Keys or XBox Controler (Xbox controler should be good?)
2. Doesnt carry a bomb

(The ended quick)

Tablet and Phone users
Good
1. Carries a bomb
2. No slight turning advantages between the two
3. Both have the same shooting distance
4. Fair turn fights

Bad
1. Out turned by windows user
2. Shorter shooting range
3. Smaller screens
4. More likely to not complain when shot down because, were used to it. (Should be in good?)

I mean so thats what ive come up with. You tell me. Should the windows 8.1 get the same turning as the rest of us. Or continue dominating the game with their unfair advantages?

windows 8.1 is actually comparable to android phones and tablets. the screen doesn't make the planes bigger or easier it frames it just like a phone.. trust me I know because I fly the same way on a phone and a tablet PLUS windows 8.1 users cant shoot father it the same as all other devices it just depends if you can aim good and if any of you have ever flown with me you know I can brings you down from the other side of the map I just spray and prey(also helps to know where the plane is located by the length of the name and the smaller the name the father away it is)kinda like math and on my tablet and phone all I do is lower the sensitivity and I turn amazing! I just never do that because I fly head on to get my kills and personally the sensitivity never affected me but I know ZebraUp had a problem where he could barley turn fight because of a glitch


Maybe yall should stop complaining about this stuff ? Zup is trying to take this game places but he cant when he has to get rid of every "unfair" thing that 3 or 4 people don't like.. and Wig thought you didn't like windows users? I know you and I have had some decent arguments over it I was just using a different name back them.

THIS TOPIC ISNT UP FOR DISCUSSION, THE ADVANTAGE MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This new speed boost thing is sense the new update 44.55, PC and tilt players zip all over the place now. It's a new (at least for me) looking lag. I've seen this fighting anyone PC or tilt user alike. Plane move faster in mini lag jumps, much harder to notices when in a turning battle as your not looking at the plane the whole time. Almost like if your FX card can't quite keep up with the graphics. The adjuster is not from this update so the cause is likely this update lag.

We should all try playing on another device if able. I use a PC and the painful to use keys. But I've played at times on a friends Tablet with tilt. Tilt was so much more fun and the ability to fly perfectly level at speeds above 140 was awesome. I sucked using a tablet do to inexperience though. I've not clocked hours on a tablet or anything so I'm no expert at comparing them.

I'm not going in to the pro/cons of tablet vs. PC that's a whole other topic. Just thinking about what might be causing this issue.

I like lots of Windows users, it's Windows I don't like. It has never synced up correctly with Apple/Android and no, it isn't just "3 or 4 people", it's truckloads of people who've experienced the ugly end of weird Windows behavior. It was wildly pronounced at first, eventually it synced up, but only up to a point. It's a subtle, sometimes elusive point, but it's there, make no mistake. I never get shot down from out the side of a plane if it's an Apple or Android plane. I never get shot down by an Apple/Android plane whose tail I'm chasing in full view flying away from me. That only happens with Windows. I used to make a hobby of spotting the Win8 user based on one or two brief runs. Out of literally hundreds of guesses I was wrong exactly twice, and those two were lagging.

Sorry, Becken, I'm sure you're an aiming genius, but you aren't that good. Nobody is. Or, more accurately, nobody is without the Win8 edge. We aren't talking about the occasional lucky spray and pray hit here, we're talking about one tap, one burst, one downed plane at six miles out. But don't take my word for it, ask some veteran, experienced players who've been at this for a while and who've established themselves as credible experts.

I'm not suggesting that Windows players dominate. They don't. I'm merely drawing attention to an undeniable bug resident in the Windows/Dogfight link. And I'm not even really doing that; this thread isn't a Win8-hate screed, there's a newly introduced Windows feature that's in need of work and I'm drawing attention to that. If it were Apple or Android bugging out I'd do the same. I don't give a rip what operating system you use, just don't blaze by me at 300mph in a plane whose top speed is 112.

"Sorry, Becken, I'm sure you're an aiming genius, but you aren't that good. Nobody is. Or, more accurately, nobody is without the Win8 edge. We aren't talking about the occasional lucky spray and pray hit here, we're talking about one tap, one burst, one downed plane at six miles out."

no need to apologize and who said I was the best but thanks for pointing out that im not that good and it takes 2 hits 2 bring a plane down and I have no problem using a phone to do the that its not that hard its not cheating its not lag.. If I can see the pilots name I can bring them down because you go by the name and where the plane is..

Now if you want something to blame/ complain about maybe make a thread about the bullet distance.. sense that's another BIG problem right ?

Mr.[LF]Becken wrote: "Sorry, Becken, I'm sure you're an aiming genius, but you aren't that good. Nobody is. Or, more accurately, nobody is without the Win8 edge. We aren't talking about the occasional lucky spray and pray hit here, we're talking about one tap, one burst, one downed plane at six miles out."

no need to apologize and who said I was the best but thanks for pointing out that im not that good and it takes 2 hits 2 bring a plane down and I have no problem using a phone to do the that its not that hard its not cheating its not lag.. If I can see the pilots name I can bring them down because you go by the name and where the plane is..

Now if you want something to blame/ complain about maybe make a thread about the bullet distance.. sense that's another BIG problem right ?

hey, im complaining about the bullet rang and turn advantage, go find ur own thread to complain about complaints...lol

Mr.[LF]Becken wrote: "Sorry, Becken, I'm sure you're an aiming genius, but you aren't that good. Nobody is. Or, more accurately, nobody is without the Win8 edge. We aren't talking about the occasional lucky spray and pray hit here, we're talking about one tap, one burst, one downed plane at six miles out."

no need to apologize and who said I was the best but thanks for pointing out that im not that good and it takes 2 hits 2 bring a plane down and I have no problem using a phone to do the that its not that hard its not cheating its not lag.. If I can see the pilots name I can bring them down because you go by the name and where the plane is..

Now if you want something to blame/ complain about maybe make a thread about the bullet distance.. sense that's another BIG problem right ?

Chill, chief. I'm working hard to keep this thread on topic. It is not about your relative aiming skill - nothing you've tutored us in here is in any way revelatory, we all use the name as an aiming point of reference - and it is not about scatter-shot anti-Windows sentiment. Read the original post. it's about a brand spanky new development that doesn't work as it should be intended to work. Planes should not have sensitivity slider super speed control that allows them to go like a passel of bats outta hell. How can that not make simple common sense?

If you're going to grouse about people randomly bashing Windows in general, stop generally randomly bashing people for randomly bashing when they aren't. This thread is in regards to a specific issue. Stick to the subject or move along.

Wigbomb wrote:

Mr.[LF]Becken wrote: "Sorry, Becken, I'm sure you're an aiming genius, but you aren't that good. Nobody is. Or, more accurately, nobody is without the Win8 edge. We aren't talking about the occasional lucky spray and pray hit here, we're talking about one tap, one burst, one downed plane at six miles out."

no need to apologize and who said I was the best but thanks for pointing out that im not that good and it takes 2 hits 2 bring a plane down and I have no problem using a phone to do the that its not that hard its not cheating its not lag.. If I can see the pilots name I can bring them down because you go by the name and where the plane is..

Now if you want something to blame/ complain about maybe make a thread about the bullet distance.. sense that's another BIG problem right ?

Chill, chief. I'm working hard to keep this thread on topic. It is not about your relative aiming skill - nothing you've tutored us in here is in any way revelatory, we all use the name as an aiming point of reference - and it is not about scatter-shot anti-Windows sentiment. Read the original post. it's about a brand spanky new development that doesn't work as it should be intended to work. Planes should not have slider that allows them to go like a passel of bats outta hell. How can that not make simple common sense?

If you're going to grouse about people randomly bashing Windows in general, stop generally randomly bashing people for randomly bashing when they aren't. This thread is in regards to a specific issue. Stick to the subject or move along.

Sticking to the subject, now that is a subject worth sticking too. How often the subject matter is lost in self imposed anti matter.

I am a Win 8.1 user and I cant hit squat from a distance. Additionally I learned a few maneuvers for turn fighting that allow me to get behind folks. If I stay full turn and don't provide any additional control inputs I don't seem to have any advantage regarding turn radius. As a matter of fact after two circles I begin thinking I am the target, and normally I am, and begin evasive maneuvers. Could be everyone I play against is also a Win user but I have yet to ask anyone.

Jimmy was evasive prior to his finding the sensitivity. I don't know what he has hardware wise or what he does but with my best plane and maxed out he out turned me repeatedly before he made adjustments. Matter of fact he complained about not being able to hit anything from a distance after the adjustment. I was in his first game and he wound up leaving and going to wc after only a few runs.

Just relaying my experiences.

Perhaps its just Windows? Or maybe he has ultra-fast internet? I have had many pilots who are in my sights on second, then behind me the next in a light-speed aerodynamics defying move that would tear the wings off any aircraft, happens all the time with different pilots. I chalk it up to a combination of skill, lag, and the nature of the beast and roll with it.

One last thing to add to the discussion; There have been numerous instances where I have offered up a straight and level target for the reds. (Bombing mission and retreating, dog fight out of ammo, etc.) In about 90% of those instances the red tracers will pass me on the left, and straight and level I seem to be a difficult target. Not always, but definitely the majority of times. Perhaps the Win system doesn't provide an accurate representation of where the aircraft actually is on screen, making it more difficult to hit. I don't know what the other screen looks like, but on mine the tracers definitely pass on my left.

Again, just my experiences

[*M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

Wigbomb wrote:

Mr.[LF]Becken wrote: "Sorry, Becken, I'm sure you're an aiming genius, but you aren't that good. Nobody is. Or, more accurately, nobody is without the Win8 edge. We aren't talking about the occasional lucky spray and pray hit here, we're talking about one tap, one burst, one downed plane at six miles out."

no need to apologize and who said I was the best but thanks for pointing out that im not that good and it takes 2 hits 2 bring a plane down and I have no problem using a phone to do the that its not that hard its not cheating its not lag.. If I can see the pilots name I can bring them down because you go by the name and where the plane is..

Now if you want something to blame/ complain about maybe make a thread about the bullet distance.. sense that's another BIG problem right ?

Chill, chief. I'm working hard to keep this thread on topic. It is not about your relative aiming skill - nothing you've tutored us in here is in any way revelatory, we all use the name as an aiming point of reference - and it is not about scatter-shot anti-Windows sentiment. Read the original post. it's about a brand spanky new development that doesn't work as it should be intended to work. Planes should not have slider that allows them to go like a passel of bats outta hell. How can that not make simple common sense?

If you're going to grouse about people randomly bashing Windows in general, stop generally randomly bashing people for randomly bashing when they aren't. This thread is in regards to a specific issue. Stick to the subject or move along.

Sticking to the subject, now that is a subject worth sticking too. How often the subject matter is lost in self imposed anti matter.

hey ur not sticking to the sudject. This sudject isnt about sticking to the subject. Now stick to the subject. Lol

As a former Win 8.1 user, I will say there are noticeable advantages. Are there certain disadvantages? Sure, but to say that there isn't a noticeable increase in turning speed and lightning fast abilities to change direction is ludicrous. When I flew on my laptop, there were some things that I was forced to adapt to such as the aiming and fine tuning key control. By the time I did that I realized that due to screen size and processor ability the game was quite different than the Dogfight I fly on my Galaxy S4 Active. We could debate this until our faces starred to blue, but the facts are that Windows disadvantages are far outweighed by the devices advantages and pick ups.

I play on both windows pc and on my phone and there is really no difference, if you see somebody going faster its due to lag, when they catch back up they appear to be going super speed, the sensitivity control allows for better adjusting to either turn fight better or have better aim straight on, if you go too far either way you are going to be very good at one and poor at the other, but there is no advantage speed or turn wise on pc vs phone.

I'm not the best turnfighter but I ain't a bad one either. Last night I could hardly keep up with a arico with my... hummm is it simens the new one is called.
That shouldn't be possible, but that isn't the biggest advantage of windows and thats not what get under my skin.
It's the turning, spinning, aiming ability speed from a chute.
It's not one or two times, it's every time.
If I shoot down a red windowsplayer and he/she me in close range I see him/her jump just as we passes each other and I jump. The windowsplayer has a half second headstart thats tru, but before I have turned so that I even can see him/her I'm dead. That makes me angry.

Fix the darn onscreen controls or slow down windows. To fix the onscreen control would be what I'd prefer.

And my absolute biggest problem is the sore winners (or how you may express it)
If there is something that could get me to spwan rape someone thatwould be it.

Big[G.I.]Joe wrote: I play on both windows pc and on my phone and there is really no difference, if you see somebody going faster its due to lag, when they catch back up they appear to be going super speed, the sensitivity control allows for better adjusting to either turn fight better or have better aim straight on, if you go too far either way you are going to be very good at one and poor at the other, but there is no advantage speed or turn wise on pc vs phone.

A lot can be blamed on lag, but not this one.
If a player lag in a dogfight they will slow down, jump to warp speed or constantly jump back and forth.
This push prop plane wasn't jumping at all. It was smooth movements all the way.
If it wasn't for the difference in dogfight skills I would never have got him. His/hers plane was as fast and turned better then the best german plane we are able to get, and it got all the updates available. This isn't something that has been going on for long. This was something new.

Viper10{WP} wrote: Perhaps the Win system doesn't provide an accurate representation of where the aircraft actually is on screen, making it more difficult to hit.

And making it, the Windows powered plane, hit what it shouldn't have a realistic shot at hitting. Exactly so.

But, lest we veer off topic again...

A player who's never challenged me admits to just having installed a brand new sensitivity control and to having it set at 100% and this normally only moderately challenging player flies at triple the normal speed, resists direct close range hits, consistently blows down several considerably more experienced, more skilled, higher ranking players while other Windows users who've also just installed the same update acknowledge experiencing similarly measurably disproportionate boosts in speed.

That's my case and it's resting comfortably.

It must be the strange type of lag from the new 44.55 update, this much I'm sure of after playing lately.

Perhaps the Win system doesn't provide an accurate representation of where the aircraft actually is on screen, making it more difficult to hit.

On a PC I've shot people at point blank range and watch the bullets pass right through them, and planes move much faster then normal most notably in turn fighting. This is VS. Tilt and PC users alike. This effects windows -and- non window players alike, much like almost all things mentioned in the past.
The sensitivity setting is not new to this update, so if something is out of whack the most likely cause is a new side effect of the 44.55 update. I'm not fully sure what all was added. The S-S D.IV is new, but I've had these problems even when that plane was not involved. I noticed a huge increase in shadows, but I'm not sure how that would effect things on a game, rather then personal level.

[M]acLaren wrote: I use my PC about half the times I play and haven't noticed any change. There is a sensitivity slider when flying with the "Realistic" view, but it seems normal. I don't think it's possible to change sensitivity in "Simple" view - I wish it was, because the plane moves much slower compared to using the same view on my phone.

Actually you can MacLaren.. just set the sensitivity where you want it in realistic view then go back in and just change the view to simple.. the sensitivity stays the same.

& Wig, I don't know what weird set of circumstances you ran into with that player & his D8, but I suspect the majority of it was due to lag & the small profile of the D8 which so many people have been complaining about... there isn't some super-speed option on this.. it just allows Windows players to turn as fast as anyone else, rather than be stuck in a slow-turning plane rut.

If we received (as you say) triple speed boost advantage NOBODY would be able to kill me.. yet the same good players kill me about as often as they usually do.. (McFate/Hulk/etc) so I think whatever it was you experienced was an aberration.

Eagle21 wrote: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is what I been saying!!!!!!!!!! Windows 8 users reply in defence "learn how to fly better" what a load of bs. Id like to see zebra and ziza do as good on tab or phone. Schmucks

Hey You SCHMUCK! Ziza DOES NOT use Windows! He uses an IPad... and I used my friends tablet the other day and SMOKED YOU like a CHEAP CIGAR!