Hi there,

Since the issue has split so many in the community I decided to remove the Fokker D.VIII. It will be replaced by the Siemens Schuckert D.IV
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens-Schuckert_D.IV

Whoever buys or already has a Fokker D.VIII will find in a coming update the Siemens Schuckert D.IV in its place.

Say farewell to the D8, the most hated and loved plane in Dogfight.

No. I love flying against the D8. It makes me better every game. I love flying the D8 when the servers give it to me. Why not better the allied plane abilities?

Ugh...

I really dont see the issue with the D8, its no harder to hit than any other plane. I flew a dh2 for a day last week and still had a kdr of 2+against the d8

BIEN! Será mejor para todos, no sólo unos pocos!
Gracias

WILL DONE! Best for all,
THANKS

So much for my new banner

Rats!!!

Ohh man...make that two banners

Ecoboom I will sue you if you remove this plane. This is the best plane ever. Get youself prepared for court if you dare to remove it.

And nobody can say Zuperman doesn't listen. I don't have much of an opinion on the D8 either way, but I think this move will make more people happy than any other option Zup may have had.

It's sad to see the D8 go. Since all the D8 drama, I started flying my Albatros DV and a funny thing happened, my per game ktd ratio didn't change. When I fly against it in my Camel F1, I can still bring it down many times, and I'm not even in the top 400.

It's not that the D8 is unhittable, it's that some aren't willing to adapt and to LEARN new tactics to defeat a slightly superior aircraft. It's called reality people.

Pretty sad the game has to be changed for those that won't...

The issue this change addresses isn't so much a plane that's magically unhittable, it's a plane that occupies considerably less real estate as a target than the corresponding plane on the other side. We've all knocked down our share of D.VIIIs but I've never seen another plane so consistently slippery, bullets often seem to slide right off of it. I'd be happy to ascribe this to my lousy aim or unwillingness to adapt, but not when I've field tested the thing for weeks and found that even when I'm super-glued to a D.VIII's tail and pushing half a magazine into it dead center from zero feet away it can still sometimes resist taking a hit. Conversely, I've let someone get on my tail when I'm in the Fokker and the same thing happens, I have all the time in the world to evade while tracers are blowing by me on all sides.

The SSW D.IV or any biplane of roughly the same specs will reestablish parity between the top level planes on both sides. Since there was no equivalent parasol/monoplane for the allies, this is the smartest, most logical way to achieve the balance that was lost with the advent of the Flying Razor.

Well I suck in any one of the planes, which are available to choose from, and I am more upset that I now have to aquire a new banner again. Oh well.

Sad to see it go. I was getting pretty good at bringing it down. I didn't fly it a lot but it was a fun plane. I am sure the change will help the game. Now I can stop flying allied most of the time!

Just.one question will I have to upgrade the new plane since I just spent so much time getting my d8 done. I for one won't mind losing it maybe more people will fly both sides again

yes bro u r true..!
some people hate d8 and they r demanded.,,. so zuper lisening them

No lo quites es el mejor avion, no hagas caso a la gente, los que critican el d8 que normalmente son los nuevos, que jueguen y ganen monedas, para conseguirlo, si tubiesen ellos el d8 cerraban la boca y no habria polemica, el camel es un excelente avion ci el puedes tirar muchos d8.los que se quejan
Son los nuevos, si los sigues tirando con otro avion se seguiran qejando igual.que no se salgan con la suya, eso es lo que quieren desde un principio.pero no seria justo, yo llevo jugando mucho tiempo
Que ellos se lo curren tambien, si no le gusta morir que busqen otro servidor.lo que si si quieres podrias hacer es mejorar el camel o bien poner un biplano aliado de las mismas proporciones mas o menos, digamos que fuese mas efectivo contra el d8.pero quitar el avion no lo veo justo, para todos los que llevamos mucho tiempo jugando, seria una falta de consideracion eso creo joaquin que aprendan a jugar y se lo ganen.yo creo que el problema es que la mayoria buscan de d8 para jugar y hasta qe no lo encuentran no lo abren ...si todos eligiesen segun salen aliados o alemanes se igualarian las peleas, como eso muchos no lo hacen, lo que quieren es mejorar su ranquin pues tenemos ese problema.solucion un biplano a la altura del d8, y problema resuelto esa es mi opinion, un saludo joaquin.por favor no quites el d8.yo lo amo y lo odio.jajaja cuando lo tengo encontra es una.frusteacion a veces pero lo acepto e intento mejorar derribandolo
En eso es en lo que tiene que pensar un jugador de dogfight un abrazo.

one quick question...when we get the new plane...will it be also fully upgraded? cause its wasn't easy upgrading my D8 in the first place(expensive little thing it was)

Thank god, down with the monoplane

Yes, only the 3d plane will be replaced. Meaning, whatever you bought and upgrade on your d8, it will be on your other plane.

We have to work on the paintings still though, since those we have to redo considerably.

zuperman wrote: Yes, only the 3d plane will be replaced. Meaning, whatever you bought and upgrade on your d8, it will be on your other plane.

We have to work on the paintings still though, since those we have to redo considerably.

Ok your taking about the Body modle

Joaquin que mas da el avion que haya....donde mas altos rangos haya ganan pa partida, solo te tienes cambiar de bando.el d8 no es el problema, los demas de rango mas bajo ban han seguir, cayendo igual.Dame una razon convincente para quitarlo del juego, no lo emtiendo para nada me parece muy injusto.

wow glad I read this before I spent alot of coins lol just wanna say thanks to zuper for always changing upgrading and watching the game to please all us peasants much love

Well, .........it had probably all been said,......but I am going to 'but':

Hated the D8 for being so 'unhittable'......and loved it for me finally being SOME good in head-ons.
But how come someone like Tripple Taps gots me EVERY time with his so inferior Camel?!!! (Must be I suck!)

.....and now with the Siemens.....i will probably suck on the Jerries side as well.

What I dont understand either is how a monoplane like the D8 can take just as many hits as a biplane like the Camel.
Isnt it all about quare inches of canvas and some wood and metal being shredded. A biplane has more material left when being hit, hasnt it?
Smaller silouette but more impact when hit?

But there must be statistics on that.....were those taken into account when it was designed as a game asset?

Just wondering.......

And then, while googling:
Some idea for night games (or sunrise/sunset games...wouldn't we love that?)



The Sopwith Camel 'Comic'

Rudolf Rednose wrote: Well, .........it had probably all been said,......but I am going to 'but':

Hated the D8 for being so 'unhittable'......and loved it for me finally being SOME good in head-ons.
But how come someone like Tripple Taps gots me EVERY time with his so inferior Camel?!!! (Must be I suck!)

.....and now with the Siemens.....i will probably suck on the Jerries side as well.

What I dont understand either is how a monoplane like the D8 can take just as many hits as a biplane like the Camel.
Isnt it all about quare inches of canvas and some wood and metal being shredded. A biplane has more material left when being hit, hasnt it?
Smaller silouette but more impact when hit?

But there must be statistics on that.....were those taken into account when it was designed as a game asset?

Just wondering.......

And then, while googling:
Some idea for night games (or sunrise/sunset games...wouldn't we love that?)



The Sopwith Camel 'Comic'

as you can see in that picture they may have put copper on the nose to protect the petrol tank, I may be wrong though.

Good move, no doubt. Fun while it lasted though, so long as I was flying it! Trying to fly against a battery of D8's in a btb game was pretty futile! Oh! Zup, swapping memory to stop lag for real time ranking updates makes really good sense to me. Three updates a day would be more than enough for me. Especially if it helps significantly stop the lag/connection problems. thanks..York

Wigbomb wrote: The issue this change addresses isn't so much a plane that's magically unhittable, it's a plane that occupies considerably less real estate as a target than the corresponding plane on the other side. We've all knocked down our share of D.VIIIs but I've never seen another plane so consistently slippery, bullets often seem to slide right off of it. I'd be happy to ascribe this to my lousy aim or unwillingness to adapt, but not when I've field tested the thing for weeks and found that even when I'm super-glued to a D.VIII's tail and pushing half a magazine into it dead center from zero feet away it can still sometimes resist taking a hit. Conversely, I've let someone get on my tail when I'm in the Fokker and the same thing happens, I have all the time in the world to evade while tracers are blowing by me on all sides.

The SSW D.IV or any biplane of roughly the same specs will reestablish parity between the top level planes on both sides. Since there was no equivalent parasol/monoplane for the allies, this is the smartest, most logical way to achieve the balance that was lost with the advent of the Flying Razor.

Blah, blah, blah... lol! Admit it Wig.. you had an ear to ear grin when you read that zuperman was replacing the Fokker D.VIII with the Siemens Schuckert D.IV didn't you?

*& zuperman here are a couple of paint jobs you might want to consider...

One problem here... Because I couldn't beat the D8, I bought a D8 and paid for its upgrades with cash through the Apple App Store, as opposed to "coins" earned in game. I somewhat justified the relatively high price I paid with the amount of enjoyment that I have received from this game and forum for so long, but I also expected to have the plane I was paying for. I'm not crazy about paying for one thing, and then having it replaced with another. I'm sure that the replacement will be a good plane, but I would have liked a chance to evaluate it and make that decision for myself before parting with my money. This feels a bit like a bait and switch... I know it's being done with good intentions, but in the future I will be much more careful about spending money here.

Must say, I'm slightly disappointed. I was just learning to beat it head-on, and I fly for literally a month to earn each upgrade. To have all that work suddenly go into an inferior head-on plane will be disappointing. Now I have no idea what I'm saving for, and a lot of motivation has been removed for me.
I'm with Jack here. I will be more cautious in spending real money here in the future

zuperman wrote: Hi there,

Since the issue has split so many in the community I decided to remove the Fokker D.VIII. It will be replaced by the Siemens Schuckert D.IV
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens-Schuckert_D.IV

Whoever buys or already has a Fokker D.VIII will find in a coming update the Siemens Schuckert D.IV in its place.

Say farewell to the D8, the most hated and loved plane in Dogfight.

I don't have one but I love shooting them down.... Why would you give in to cry baby's.