ZebraUp wrote:

Wigbomb wrote: The issue this change addresses isn't so much a plane that's magically unhittable, it's a plane that occupies considerably less real estate as a target than the corresponding plane on the other side. We've all knocked down our share of D.VIIIs but I've never seen another plane so consistently slippery, bullets often seem to slide right off of it. I'd be happy to ascribe this to my lousy aim or unwillingness to adapt, but not when I've field tested the thing for weeks and found that even when I'm super-glued to a D.VIII's tail and pushing half a magazine into it dead center from zero feet away it can still sometimes resist taking a hit. Conversely, I've let someone get on my tail when I'm in the Fokker and the same thing happens, I have all the time in the world to evade while tracers are blowing by me on all sides.

The SSW D.IV or any biplane of roughly the same specs will reestablish parity between the top level planes on both sides. Since there was no equivalent parasol/monoplane for the allies, this is the smartest, most logical way to achieve the balance that was lost with the advent of the Flying Razor.

Blah, blah, blah... lol! Admit it Wig.. you had an ear to ear grin when you read that zuperman was replacing the Fokker D.VIII with the Siemens Schuckert D.IV didn't you?

*& zuperman here are a couple of paint jobs you might want to consider...

Me? Grin? NAH.

Okay, fine, so it's my favorite German machine of the entire Great War in the Air and you know I know you know it. And that first paint scheme pic? The Jasta 15 blue/red signature colors? Here (first image) is one I snapped a moment after hugging the fuselage and a moment before licking the prop. Shh. You aren't supposed to lick the aeroplanes. Like I was gonna be standing there, or next to Nungesser's Nieuport 10, and not lay hands and/or tongue on 'em.

Okay, fine, so I made up the licking part. But I was licking it in my heart. Shh, the girlfriend type would frown on such impulses.

The greater good for the greater number. This issue will soon be forgotten.

H.L.Finn wrote: The greater good for the greater number. This issue will soon be forgotten.

If its video game representation actually inspires one to lick the prop, it probably will be forgotten about. But, selling a Chevy and delivering a Ford, or vise versa (don't want to start that argument) can be risky business at best. I observed the performance of the D8 in the game, and decided that it was worth the purchase. Now, after spending enough money to buy several games on this one plane, we find out that it is going to be replaced. Like I said, I know it's being done with the best of intentions, but from my perspective, it's not good business. Now, putting my grim tone away, this plane seems to be causing some excitement for those who are familiar with it. It'll surely be great fun for everyone if it lives up to the reputation of the real one.

jacklpe wrote:

H.L.Finn wrote: The greater good for the greater number. This issue will soon be forgotten.

If its video game representation actually inspires one to lick the prop, it probably will be forgotten about. But, selling a Chevy and delivering a Ford, or vise versa (don't want to start that argument) can be risky business at best. I observed the performance of the D8 in the game, and decided that it was worth the purchase. Now, after spending enough money to buy several games on this one plane, we find out that it is going to be replaced. Like I said, I know it's being done with the best of intentions, but from my perspective, it's not good business. Now, putting my grim tone away, this plane seems to be causing some excitement for those who are familiar with it. It'll surely be great fun for everyone if it lives up to the reputation of the real one.

www.dogfightplay.com/index.php/forum/2-g...eal-cash-for-df-coin

H.L.Finn wrote:

jacklpe wrote:

H.L.Finn wrote: The greater good for the greater number. This issue will soon be forgotten.

If its video game representation actually inspires one to lick the prop, it probably will be forgotten about. But, selling a Chevy and delivering a Ford, or vise versa (don't want to start that argument) can be risky business at best. I observed the performance of the D8 in the game, and decided that it was worth the purchase. Now, after spending enough money to buy several games on this one plane, we find out that it is going to be replaced. Like I said, I know it's being done with the best of intentions, but from my perspective, it's not good business. Now, putting my grim tone away, this plane seems to be causing some excitement for those who are familiar with it. It'll surely be great fun for everyone if it lives up to the reputation of the real one.

www.dogfightplay.com/index.php/forum/2-g...eal-cash-for-df-coin

If you feel that your purchases are actually donations, that's your thing. Money is money, business is business, a donations are a different thing. When DF elite was promoted, I did pledge. I also realized that that money would be used to TRY to create a better game. That was a donation... A thanks to the creator(s) of this game and a vote of confidence that I believed that with proper funding, they could achieve greater things. On the other hand, a cash purchase for DF coin is a business transaction based on what it will provide in the here and now. Using coins that were purchased to buy in game options, that unexpectedly turn out to be "for a limited time only" is disappointing.

Don't take any of this as a condemnation of Echoboom or "Zup" as a whole. This has been a great game, an even better community, and I'm not sorry for spending money and time here. But, on this one thing, I think he has made a very questionable decision. I eagerly await this new plane though, and I'll definitely be one of the first to try it out.

Ok... Mr Finn, I've made my point about 3X, when once was probably more than enough. Have a good evening (or day, depending on where you are).

jacklpe wrote: One problem here... Because I couldn't beat the D8, I bought a D8 and paid for its upgrades with cash through the Apple App Store, as opposed to "coins" earned in game. I somewhat justified the relatively high price I paid with the amount of enjoyment that I have received from this game and forum for so long, but I also expected to have the plane I was paying for. I'm not crazy about paying for one thing, and then having it replaced with another. I'm sure that the replacement will be a good plane, but I would have liked a chance to evaluate it and make that decision for myself before parting with my money. This feels a bit like a bait and switch... I know it's being done with good intentions, but in the future I will be much more careful about spending money here.

same here, leaves me with a sense of being ripped off!

You just made the forum so boring!

OH ZUP !

I love my D8. I saved hard to buy it and want to keep it. So leave it alone please.

i haven't got this plane but I'm sure its great I really wanna use it before its gone please keep it

Think you stated exactly what my first reaction was Jacklpe....

But I take comfort in the thought that I would have gotten the best German plane anyway.....and could have done without the humiliating experience of being trampolined on by everyone in a D8.

Just hope that it will be significantly better than anything fully upgraded on the Axis side...

I just want fair servers so I don't have to go up against top tier planes *looks at Zuperman*

And now a Formal farewell to the beloved/hated Fokker D.VIII or more commonly known as D8,-*sad background music plays*

As a Ninja I loved the D8, from being able to avoid many bullets and "Ninja" my way into enemy territory, to shooting at a tank until the possible second and avoid the bombshell coming my way. The D8 has been very useful to me. But now... Farewell to you my Ninja plane .you will be dearly missed by many, and yet not missed by many more. Hopefully your replacement bring more balance to this game in the hope that we see an even number of allies as well as Germans. Adios mi amigo, for you have been a friend indeed. i close this formal farewell with a Ninja goodbye.

that was it

Anyways do you guys any specific date set for this to occur?

Please monoplane same or similar on the Allied side solution to the problem I am sorry that the d8 is removed but encanta.no hate me love is just that after all the time we expect to achieve this, we run now without, can solve otherwise equal to or better than removing it.

Hiya All
This I do have conflicted feelings about.... It would help if the Camel was faster and more agile. Not to subject jump or create any type of drama but......... I have always wondered this.... Why are the German planes shooting the Zeplin? when German planes should historically speaking, be protecting the Zep? Just one of the many things I think about. All the same, DogFight will always be the greatest game ever created.... Thanx Z

Hola to all
I do understand the disappointment that some players must be having for losing the use of the D8 plane, it’s hard to earn the points or invest money to get it and then have it gone. But I believe the decision to change the plane is in the best interest of the game. I did not have the plane so I can’t relate to have the joy of flying it. But I did play against it; and we all know it had and unfair/or big advantage. I never complaint because in this game YOU NEVER DIE, so when I was shoot down I just got in another plane. There are players that are able to take the d8 down; but the issue with the plane is, that it was chasing away players. I saw player trying to avoid them and almost no one was playing the allied side. This was experience by lots of players as they have mentioned on many topics related to the D8.
When I started this game one of the things I wrote to the creators was, that the game had a good balance, was entertaining, and FUN! I believe we all play the game to have fun and this plane in particular was ending this very important factor of the game. The point is to have FUN, enjoy yourself, but we all have to be part of that fun and enjoyment. First plane I had was the American turtle and I had a lot of fun with it, I remember I could go and challenge the better planes with it. I believe that was lost with the introduction of the D8, new comers did not stand a chance. The creators of the game are looking for new players. The experience for these new players must be a fun and fair one.
It is good that the game changes but I think or believe that it should keep its goal of entertainment; and to achieve this it should try to be as balance as possible. Do feel bad for the ones that got the D8 but please try to enjoy the game; DF is a fun game with a great community of people from different parts of the world. I have seen good on line games disappeared when players do not make it fun or fair for others. Remember creators have to make money to keep the game alive. The balance will keep attracting new comers and making it fun for the old players. Did I say old??? Hummmmm….. Recalculating…. Fun for the best players. And talking about best players. COME ON YOU ARE AN ACE!!! YOU CAN FLY ANYTHING! SO BRING THE PLANE, YOU WILL MAKE IT THE BEST!

Oh my! This is what happens when you can’t fly, you just write and write and write.

Enjoy the game for me

Sweet, although I have one..... good riddance. This plane caused most players to be scared of choosing the allied side. Most times allied side is outnumbered in the games I played...... I enjoyed the challenge against those d8s while it lasted, it helped sharpened my skills a bit. Thanks Zuperman for that opportunity.

Reading Acegirls comment (excellent one) something came to mind...

If the servers show what year of the 'Great War' the game has chosen, you have to pick a plane of that period.
We would have to have a plane for every period we want to play in.......hence the money problem is solved.
(I don't know about you guys 'n girls, but I only got the best planes, and skipped the rest, or never use them again......terrible waste of game assets!)
It will be more fair to all players, cause only skill will keep you alive ( not just 'best plane wins').

If one chooses to fly in a dated plane against better ones, he should be awarded more points. After all the older planes were still used, as reconnaisance planes, or to shoot down observation balloons, against ground targets, or used in distant outposts and parts of the front of less strategic value.

They might have such a mission, like "find enemy tank batallion and mark the target". You can sneak in and out against much better planes and still be the hero on the day (and not be just target practice!).

Then the game can progress into the 'antebellum', the time between the word wars, but with other conflicts, and newer and better planes can be added.......

An endless persuit of happiness!
The sky will be the limit!
Yey Dogfight! (.......oh! Sorry, I get carried away!.... 'NO! Not the padded room!')

Here, here. Set me up with a couple of JBs...make'em doubles, please!

KamiKazeeSuicider wrote: Ecoboom I will sue you if you remove this plane. This is the best plane ever. Get youself prepared for court if you dare to remove it.

I really hope this is a troll

ace thank you first! .'m Not saying it affect me to play put another plane if that improves equality, recently dropping 13 takedown 53 times with an albatross dv rojo.lo que.digo is that there are other ways to meet the juego.si place a plane similar in Allied side, would equalize without dudarlo.yo use many planes, which makes me sick is that they do not do what retiren.por servers, where you can choose game?. servers that do not play where the lowest ranks? I think everything would improve juego.el game will continue like that even new dinde highest ranks has always earn, what he would choose the plane departure (ally or alenan) and YOU HAD flown cambiar.si not sure you'd have another d8 review is a feeling unica.es a shame that a plane I love and hate exist leave, just do not look good. (Why does not super for voting? Seeia I think the most fair.

rudolf, you're right, the game has a thousand possibilities, let the ideas flow, radar? night battles, ships to defend themselves with guns, planes exploration, more maps ect ect ect .... super.seguro let the anger gradually incorporating new things greetings to all.

ace lo primero gracias!! .yo no digo que me afecte para jugar poner otro avion si con eso mejora la igualdad, hace poco derribe 53 cayendo 13 veces con un albatros dv rojo.lo que.digo es que hay otras maneras de igualar el juego.si colocas un avion similar en bando aliado, se igualaria sin dudarlo.yo utilizo muchos aviones, lo que me sienta mal es que lo retiren.por que no hacen servidores, donde puedas elegir partida?.por que no hacen servidores donde jueguen los rangos mas bajos? creo que todo seria mejorar el juego.el juego seguira parecido por que dinde mas altos rangos haya siempre ganaras incluso nuevos, lo suyo seria escoger el avion que sale (aliado o alenan) y no cambiar.si hubieseis volado el d8 seguro que tendrias otra opinion es una sensacion unica.es una pena que un avion que amo y odio deje existir , simplemente no lo veo bien. (por que el super no lo hace por votacion? creo que seeia lo mas justo. Por favor traducir gracias!!

Ace girl aqui tienes, esta pelea fue con el albatros dv del baron jeje rojo.lo que digo es que me da pena que quiten ese avion el d8 me encanta jeje.traducir plis.

Ahora si jeje no lo tenia en el tamaño adecuado un saludo.

1 question, & 1 question only. Why are we trying to make the Game fair? The War isn't. Or wasn't???

I do not understand exactly why one is so much fun queja.si is best hehe

Looks like the Fokker EIII is gonna be, again, the only mono winged plane if the D8 is going to be replaced by the new plane.

[*M]bhfoust wrote: Ohh man...make that two banners

Yup Fousty, well while ur finishing mine might as well scratch the d8 & use the f1 or the new plane..LMAO! Love ya bro

Dr Dave wrote:

zuperman wrote: Hi there,

Since the issue has split so many in the community I decided to remove the Fokker D.VIII. It will be replaced by the Siemens Schuckert D.IV
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens-Schuckert_D.IV

Whoever buys or already has a Fokker D.VIII will find in a coming update the Siemens Schuckert D.IV in its place.

Say farewell to the D8, the most hated and loved plane in Dogfight.

I don't have one but I love shooting them down.... Why would you give in to cry baby's.