Ok this whole dam thread was and is about having some type of courtesy to at least let a pilot off the ground. And not sit behind the base when waiting for a pilot to spwan. So you can kill him. Now sitting behind the base waiting is what I call camping that means your waiting for someone to shoot if I had a chance to defend myself then I wouldn't care . Then I would know I had a chance especially since there were two pilots behind the base. Like I said it was a 5/1 game and they were there when I spawned. Now to the guys that said I would just shoot them down you try that when they don't let you fly your so good you shoot a pilot shooting you from behind. And like I also said 4of the five pilots had no bomb I did get off the ground once only because the pilot behind the base had to shoot Balfour first. And like I also said when I did get up I ran into a dropper. So it just a question or morals. And by the way swop I've fly under another account and your the biggest freaking lire there is you do camp and spawn kill. So don't blow smoke up my rear end. I'm.not a smoke stack. And I don't care if your panties bunch u@ because you think this is a.personal attack on you. I will say it now your the biggest two faced sob in he game. Atleast people admit to what they do and like I said before I have lost all.respect for you. You want personal attacks meet me -n battle.

There is no circular logic on my posts. Just pointing out the double standards by camping complainers. The double standard of the complainers is the harsh accusations by those retreating after bombing as not "being a teamate" by not helping others bomb when one does that to avoid camping. But when one tries to help others bomb then they are called hostile as "campers". THAT us the circular logic of those complaining not those who are avoiding the complainers like myself.

Spawnkilling is clearly defined except what is acceptable. We all can agree with that. Camping is not clearly defined. One cant deny camping by definition is subjective. One can say im away from base when one says they arent.

Rabbit ur a big fat liar and i DONOT spawnkill. Thats a flat out lie. So dont use your false accusations on me buddy. U ARE a smoke stack and i dont lie. I cant stand liars and im not one of em and thats the truth.

Im just tired of the camping complainers and even more tired of pilots who lump camping in with something worse which is spawnkilling.
Spawnkilling is before they take off which is worse we all know that camping both pilots are flying so its not worse. We all know that.


Rabbit. I agree with letting pilots get off the ground. Thats why i dont support spawnkilling because what you said is the definition of spawnkilling not camping.

Mcfate. Camping will be illiminated if pilots wouldn't shoot retreating planes. Thats why pilots camp. Im sorry u dont like period but the emphasis is needed and thats the truth (and thats equal to period)

|111th|tSwopCaml wrote: There is no circular logic on my posts. Just pointing out the double standards by camping complainers. The double standard of the complainers is the harsh accusations by those retreating after bombing as not "being a teamate" by not helping others bomb when one does that to avoid camping. But when one tries to help others bomb then they are called hostile as "campers". THAT us the circular logic of those complaining not those who are avoiding the complainers like myself.

Spawnkilling is clearly defined except what is acceptable. We all can agree with that. Camping is not clearly defined. One cant deny camping by definition is subjective. One can say im away from base when one says they arent.

Rabbit ur a big fat liar and i DONOT spawnkill. Thats a flat out lie. So dont use your false accusations on me buddy. U ARE a smoke stack and i dont lie. I cant stand liars and im not one of em and thats the truth.

Im just tired of the camping complainers and even more tired of pilots who lump camping in with something worse which is spawnkilling.
Spawnkilling is before they take off which is worse we all know that camping both pilots are flying so its not worse. We all know that.


Rabbit. I agree with letting pilots get off the ground. Thats why i dont support spawnkilling because what you said is the definition of spawnkilling not camping.

Mcfate. Camping will be illiminated if pilots wouldn't shoot retreating planes. Thats why pilots camp. Im sorry u dont like period but the emphasis is needed and thats the truth (and thats equal to period)

I've been watching this unfold with interest. I have a couple thoughts.

1. My dear Swop, ceasing to fire on retreating pilots will certainly NOT be the ultimate stop to camping. I never camp, personally. The closest I get to any of these common issues is sneaking, if the game is four-vs-four and I can't stick around, I need the game to end quickly.
Plenty of pilots camp because they feel like it. Or they want to force the enemy to drop. Or because they want to cover for teammates. I dont like being camped, and I will easily exit a game where I am.
2. Spawnkilling. Hm. I WILL attempt to shoot you before you're off the runway if I'm coming in to bomb. If my teammate is coming in to bomb, they're on their own (grammar, ftw).
3. Shooting retreating pilots. Why would you? For stats is literally the ONLY reason you would. Shooting them is giving them a tank/leting them respawn. If someone is stupid enough to shoot you on the retreat, make em pay by getting to their base and bombing again. Or sneak. I guess.
4. Camping. I dont do it in bombing missions. In any other mission, sure, why not?


And Rabbit, I'm not even..... Yeah.

So basically, just follow the Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
If you don't like it, don't do it. Retaliation is not the key to ANYTHING, AND NEVER HAS BEEN.


Darraxx, I play the way you do, i think. I've got a hightened sense of justice, and i get pissed when people go against MY code. But, we can't help it. People are cowards, and we've gotta deal with it.


Please, I'm not telling anyone to do anything, this just isnt a topic worthy of two top-fifty members fighting about.

why does everyone care so much ? I know team killing isn't allowed but if someone wants to sneak or camp let them! yeah I know I post on threads like this but normally its just my opinion but its a take it or leave it. I just think we all could be flying or doing something better than having our intelligent debates about a video game and how players play the game.

Beck how in the world did you just make sense??????lol jk!!!!Exactly my point play your game how you want instead of how someone else wants you too!!!If its not bannable then deal with it...

gunnerzz wrote: Beck how in the world did you just make sense??????lol jk!!!!Exactly my point play your game how you want instead of how someone else wants you too!!!If its not bannable then deal with it...

lol it just gets old because its the same people complaining..at least you and tswop understand

Please understand I DO NOT condone this behavior or do it myself. I just accept that it is a part of the game, like it or not it's not going away.

Holy crap camping is not an offence I just used it to say two pilots with no bombs and all hanger intact were s waiting behind the base for anyone that spawned into the game just to shoot them before they got off the ground. Shooting someone before they can take off is spawn Lilongwe and since I was shot almost every time I spawned. That saying sk seems fitting now what would you call waiting for a pilot to.spawn into a game. Oh wait maybe we can call it picnicking. Just a quick bite before shooting a Guy in the back.

Well rabbit. You better think twice before lying and calling someone a spawnkiller when they werent. I dont spawnkill and have never condoned it. Please stop with the false accusations and lies. Please. You can ask any pilot as a third party and they confirm i dont do that. If you got screenshot prove it and you wont find them cause i dont not have i done that. Bye thank yous for false accusations seen strange to me too b

Thanks Mr Becken......there is really nothing that is ever going to change any of this. It all comes down to honor and integrity, which is something that is going by the wayside around here. Yes, there are plenty of great pilots who just want to play the "GAME", but seems like more and more everyday its like a CNN Political Debate around here and on WC. Precisely why my attendance has dropped dramaticaly.....
Play the game! If you cant do it without whining and complaining, then go somewhere else!
I have been the victim of countless SK attacks, over and over, maybe 10 straight.....but never uttered a word. Why? Why should I? It stinks, I dont play that way, and some do.....oh well....
Perhaps its time to take my own advice....."go somewhere else"

Swop give it a rest. You know what you do so don't sit there on your high horse being all I'm so.great. your not Mr perfect so don't sit there andsay you are. Damn If I could be half as good as you. I'd pull up my panties and stand tall

Dave thats not a camper, darrax, thats not a camper. That's a spawnkiller. A camper always let you take off, and it's not on your airbase, it's near, making air superiority , that's all I'm gonna say about yours last post. I'm a camper, and if some one have see me making a spawnkiller say it now. I never do that. You guys are confused about the terms

CurtisShoe wrote: Thanks Mr Becken......there is really nothing that is ever going to change any of this. It all comes down to honor and integrity, which is something that is going by the wayside around here. Yes, there are plenty of great pilots who just want to play the "GAME", but seems like more and more everyday its like a CNN Political Debate around here and on WC. Precisely why my attendance has dropped dramaticaly.....
Play the game! If you cant do it without whining and complaining, then go somewhere else!
I have been the victim of countless SK attacks, over and over, maybe 10 straight.....but never uttered a word. Why? Why should I? It stinks, I dont play that way, and some do.....oh well....
Perhaps its time to take my own advice....."go somewhere else"

Exactly , and there is more. When I'm in a DF, some pilot of some squad get out, but get in and a few minutes he come back but whit more pilots of her squad. And everbody try to shootmedown, no try to kill some one else, they are everbody only vs me. What I do? I make defensive manouvers, I don't wonna win that game, but I'm gonna stay alive. I will never complain about that. And there are so many thinks about the game, so many than happen to me. Many pilots whit very good reputation have spawnkill me many times. So many good pilots auto destroy him selfs when they figth vs me. So many things. But I know it's part of the game. And it's no some thing I must accept or tolerate, it's something then I know happen to me and all I do it's figth. Sorry my english

Im sure the top dogs or any pilot with a great kdr deals with campers or spawnkillers, but still find a way to smoke people out the sky, its a part of the game just deal with it. I have never played a combat multiplayer game where people dont camp.

I played a match last night where we had a tank camper at our base, he blew me away on the runaway and i calmly alerted my team and they dealt with him right away.

Darra. I know what i do and its not spawnkilling. Im not sitting on my high horse but telling the truth. You can lie all you want. I will NOT let it rest when someone falsely accuses me and lies about me and is being dishonorable and undignified by calling me something and telling me i do things i do not do.


YOU give the lies a rest and i will give it a rest. (Period).

Wow... I read all the postings about camping, spawn killing, dropping etc. you guys take this game pretty serious, almost religiously...it's getting to be somewhat a cultish following with the deepening emotional diatribes. That's very intriguing.

I just try to enjoy myself...and try to laugh through the silliness of some fliers approach to ethical standards. I used to get irate, but somehow worked through all that. I try to channel everything into a more positive and humorous mindset. That way no situation is taken more serious than it ought to be taken.

But it is true, this game can, and has, invoked the full spectrum of emotions...and that my fellow warbirds is why it is an awesome game...and somewhat addictive.

Off to indulge in a saturated fat burger, with a basket of greasy fresh cut fries and a banana milkshake. OMG...that's what I'm talkin about.

Carry on!

Your friend (and enemy) --=PAWS=--

There's no honor and ur lying (period). Not do i say im mr perfect. But i do not spawnkill. (Period)

Shodogger wrote: Wow... I read all the postings about camping, spawn killing, dropping etc. you guys take this game pretty serious, almost religiously...it's getting to be somewhat a cultish following with the deepening emotional diatribes. That's very intriguing.

I just try to enjoy myself...and try to laugh through the silliness of some fliers approach to ethical standards. I used to get irate, but somehow worked through all that. I try to channel everything into a more positive and humorous mindset. That way no situation is taken more serious than it ought to be taken.

But it is true, this game can, and has, invoked the full spectrum of emotions...and that my fellow warbirds is why it is an awesome game...and somewhat addictive.

Off to indulge in a saturated fat burger, with a basket of greasy fresh cut fries and a banana milkshake. OMG...that's what I'm talkin about.

Carry on!

Your friend (and enemy) --=PAWS=--

We need more that think just like this gentleman! Thanks you!

Like I said ziza I was just using camper for lack of better reference but it was plain out spawn killing. So to all I'm sorry to.use camper reference just don't have better thing to call someone that sits behind the base. just what do we call pilots that wait behind the base so we have a name for them other than camper so we wont upset people. Obviously the word camper is taboo. And has many meanings. Birde span killing is just that spawn killing. And I give up trying to say that waiting for a pilot behind the base is plain poor.

Ok Darrax, Swop does not camp or spawnkill...I have played many games with him...he does not sit on a high horse..he is one of the most respectful and honorable players...I'm losing a lot of respect for some Morafs lately...I know Swop sticks to the rules of the Falcons because I was one...and I still stick to them..

This thread is out of control lol

Camping and spawnkilling are two different things. Spawnkilling is before one takes off camping is subjective to how determines what "near the base" or " near the boat". Im tired of the camping complainers and im tired of the spawnkilling/camping lumping together complainers

Rat Tat Tat! wrote: This thread is out of control lol

Amen! This whole debate and DF in general is getting out of control!

I agree, its getting very political, but i still enjoy this game. I just avoid getting into any beef.

I dunno about you guys, but in my two years of playing DF, I've never been seriously spawnkilled. Maybe 2 or 3 times in a row, but by then, I can usually manage to get into the air and fight back.

I've never experienced the issue, is all. I mean, Zup has already put safeguards for us. You're impervious to bullets on the runway when your brakes are on. You can take off at lightning speed if you utilize the brake and throttle properly. Heck, the lower-ranking players have a short period of complete immunity after taking off.

Seems to me like everyone is raging because they're just not good. It's a game... some people are better at it than others. If you don't like the game you are in, then leave and join another one. And keep in mind -- when you paid for this game, you paid for the single-player aspect only. The multiplayer can be pulled whenever the developers wish, and we can't do anything about it. All this controversy about such trivial topics is pretty ridiculous. Can't we just play a game without turning it into a virtu-political battlefield?

Luna wrote:
Seems to me like everyone is raging because they're just not good.

Thank you. You hit the ball out of the park with that.

Luna is right. Learn how to turn fight. Head to head fighting is a good skill but the turn fight is just as important. Learn how to do it or just leave the game when your getting camped or spawn killed because you will never be able to take them out if you stay ignorant and cry about it when you are given chance after chance to get up and kill them.

I agree 100% sky Davis and what luna say but i just dont believe spawnkilling and camping should be in the same breath. They are totally different. I think if we who agree that complaining and whining is bad fall into the trap of equating camping and spawnkilling in the same breath the whiners will continue and we give credence to the whiners. I say this in agreement with you skydavis and luna with the slight tiny addition.

Great posts by Luna and sky Davis

Skydavis1 wrote:

Luna wrote:
Seems to me like everyone is raging because they're just not good.

Thank you. You hit the ball out of the park with that.

Luna is right. Learn how to turn fight. Head to head fighting is a good skill but the turn fight is just as important. Learn how to do it or just leave the game when your getting camped or spawn killed because you will never be able to take them out if you stay ignorant and cry about it when you are given chance after chance to get up and kill them.

WIN !!!!!

Skydavis1 wrote:

Luna wrote:
Seems to me like everyone is raging because they're just not good.

Thank you. You hit the ball out of the park with that.

Luna is right. Learn how to turn fight. Head to head fighting is a good skill but the turn fight is just as important. Learn how to do it or just leave the game when your getting camped or spawn killed because you will never be able to take them out if you stay ignorant and cry about it when you are given chance after chance to get up and kill them.

I'm gonna point out the elephant in the room here. What about those of us that are on devices that lend themselves to head-on fighting? It's an established fact that the PC is king when it comes to turn-fighting, and my tilt control is malfunctional on my Galaxy S2. My means of controlling my plane is a little joystick on the bottom left corner of my screen. Those who use handheld joysticks, xbox controllers, and keys have an obvious advantage at turning, while my ONLY POSSIBLE fighting style is head-on. Pc has destroyed this game more than anything else, frankly.