Ok hers goes noithing to the pilots that feel they have to drop their bombs in a bombing mission I ask you why. All you end up doing is destroying what usually a good game between pilots that have respect enough to fly the same was as other pilots in the game. How many games I've been in where I've been fighting for a long time only to have one pilot come in and decide that he so special he or she doesn't have to catty a bomb I for one have more respect for a wings commander pilot that carriers their bomb than I do for a pilot a pilot that is good enough to carry but thinks they shouldn't have to .well guess what your not special your not privileged.and if you don't have the guts to carry a bomb and face your enemy's then you shouldn't be in a bombing game go fly in dog fight mission

I could not agree with you more. The other day while in a good long game between several well respected players, we were having a blast when a couple of droppers entered. The entire game changed and not for the better, everone had to drop to fight them and no one could bomb except for one who sneaked.

I wouldn't feel so bad if they started the game, then I would have a choice to stay and fight them, they should spawn until they find a game that they could start from the beginning instead of spawning into a game in the middle.

I believe they should respect a long running game and leave if they spawn into it.

Now as most know I'm getting pretty good at dogfighting. On some players I cannot hit them but I can now tie them up for a long time and the droppers hate that. If they know that they will lose or get tied up then they leave when they see your name.

My advise is to get really good at dogfighting.

I agree with both Gentlemen above!!! It is particularly annoying, as you said DAVY, when they come in mid game! Why not just find a dogfight game to play? Unfortunately there is nothing theoretically wrong with it. It's just rude! I try to bad mouth them a bit, but it doesn't work very often. I think it is probable that most of the more experienced players of this game know it is considered tacky so if they just drop also and engage them the better players should run them off. I'm not much of a dogfighter either, but I don't give a dern either! My attitude is you drop on me, I drop on you. Then after they leave, back to the game..........Sgt York

I wish you luck with your quest in finding a resolution to this on going problem but in the time I've been on this game (Carrying a bomb) this has been a problem. People just want to kill an not bomb.

I don't usually take issue with dumpers like I did. I think the only time it ruins it for me is when the purposely fly undetected and camp at our base. I don't mind dropping and going after them as usually they leave after one or two deaths. Where I take issue is when im the only red and they do it to tie me up while others bomb...including the sneaks. If im with one or two experienced players, I'll drop and meet the dumper until he leaves. I've had rather good success with that.

You are correct DR. The player that got darrax so wound up is a high ranking, well known player. If you were to look at his stats you would see very few hangers bombed. That's his whole career. He only wants to play in a game where he has an advantage over other players who are playing the mission. He do usenet even try to claim covering his bombers cause all he wants to do is dogfight bombers. There will never be a solution as long as there are "players" who only want an unfair advantage. Of course they could go find a dogfight game, but then they don't have the advantage. That game is not for them.

[M] Mike cann wrote: I don't usually take issue with dumpers like I did. I think the only time it ruins it for me is when the purposely fly undetected and camp at our base. I don't mind dropping and going after them as usually they leave after one or two deaths. Where I take issue is when im the only red and they do it to tie me up while others bomb...including the sneaks. If im with one or two experienced players, I'll drop and meet the dumper until he leaves. I've had rather good success with that.

Well I don't know which top-ranked pilot you are referring to T.R. but I entered into a game a short while ago that a pilot from my squadron was alone against 5.. including BStrachan & DragonRojo.. and Dragon would drop & go after my pilot while the other 4 bombed.. when I spawned in we only had 1 hangar left.. I flew across the map with my bomb and of course eventually got taken down by a bombless fighter.. I WATCHED that bomb drop.. but still kept mine. But after that I dropped.. what's good for the goose is good for the gander right? Still they were 5 vs 1 before I got there and still dropping on a single pilot? jeeeeez..

I bomb drop when it is necessary to win. Say your on a team full of noobs against a good team and the noobs are getting destroyed sometimes bomb dropping and covering them is the only way to win. In this case i see it as fair or if your out numbered a lot i see it as fair. But i don't hate bomb droppers. It is war and all things are fair in war.(besides spawnkilling)

I had it happen with me being the only red. There had been other reds, but we were outnumbered through most of it. A well known "MORAF" from a respected squad dropped every mission, laughed about it, & said "screw you" to me when I called it out. Generally, MORAFs are respected as players, but this "MORAF" gets exactly zero respect from me regardless of skill. In my eyes, he is a dishonorable asshat. I'm an easy kill these days with sorry updates, lag, & an ipad that doesn't turn, so I fail to see he need to drop in a 3 on me anyway.

He had been in the game a while when I noticed he was doing it & I had to drop as soon as I cleared the deck to survive, but it was frustrating, especially since he was such an ass. I'm sure it's why my teammates left too, so he did effectively ruin the game. He did make his own two teammates suffer for a while because of it, but I finally just stayed on deck & waited for the end so he wouldn't get free kills while I dealt with the honorable ones. That was his objective. Unfortunately, one of his squadmates came in at the end or he would've had no more.

I don't drop to get kills/points...I do it to help the team....a game no matter what it is needs fighters along with bombers.

Dixieconfederate wrote: I bomb drop when it is necessary to win. Say your on a team full of noobs against a good team and the noobs are getting destroyed sometimes bomb dropping and covering them is the only way to win. In this case i see it as fair or if your out numbered a lot i see it as fair. But i don't hate bomb droppers. It is war and all things are fair in war.(besides spawnkilling)

I couldn't agree more.
That pretty much sums up my two cents.
Thx Dixi.
Also the only other time I drop is when
Im the only guy flying cuz all the other blues got shot down and are all taking off far behind me, and I see 3 or 4 reds coming at me. I know I can't survive a 1 on 4. So I drop. Especially when the reds are getting close to my base.
But I never drop to just add kills.
(And a note for this topic)....
Don't forget people drop bombs on tanks.

Okay, this is a topic that I have seen many people arguing about on here and in game since I have started playing (which isn't that long ago). In my opinion, I agree that droppers tend to get really annoying and it ruins the game. But I understand the other points like the 1 on 4, which I would do the same thing and drop. It really all depends on the situation and whats happening.
Sometime last week I was in a game, about 3 on 5 (I was on 3) the other 2 left because there was a MORAF on the other team with some other higher leveled players... turned out within a couple a minutes to be 1 on 6-7(can't remember). Don't get me wrong, I love a good fight! But there was one big problem... There was a dropper on the other team. So even when some of the others tried to bomb, he would come to my base, his bomb already dropped from his base, and would camp untill i would kill him (which is a whole other story with diferent opinions..). I know everyone has their own opinion on this but even if dropping is your strategy, there are some cases where "all things are fair in war" isnt true. Ok, I understand that that is my opinion on this and I truly accept other ones too, but would you be compelled to keep playing if you know all that person wants to do is get kills? And that they will keep camping till you get a chance to kill them? And on top of that you're supposed to try and defend?? I don't want to mention the person's name on here just incase and I can see others do agree with me. I just want to know for the ones who think its strategically OK to drop, if you think it's still all "fair" in my case. And if you are totally against this opinion please tell me! I cant seem to understand why someone would say that what the dropper did was OK and that's why I would like to see your side to this.

@Zebra I was just playing in a game with dragon rojo today and only wanted to get into a dogfight. I had to keep dropping my bomb because of that.

Again, just my opinion on this topic, I hope there is a solution soon!

-Knmh{INV}

Well I can say is that I made level 31 carrying a bomb the whole time and even in a dogfight if the mission was to bomb I kept it. And a lot of folks still fell to my fire. Some even after they dropped. So I think I've earned the rights to refer to them as cowards when most flew the same or better plane as I. And I do not think dropping Is needed in a bombing game but. That's just it. This is only a GAME and if that's the only way they feel they can win the GAME. I'd hate to see how they behave when their playing Monopoly......

General jackson wrote: I don't drop to get kills/points...I do it to help the team....a game no matter what it is needs fighters along with bombers.

Says the chicken king.

I wonder how they conduct themselves in the real world. I'm not one of those Holier then thou people, but I try to maintain some sort of dignity and honor. In game or in life.

VonKopp, were you one of the people against me during that game... i remember Von something lol

knmh wrote: VonKopp, were you one of the people against me during that game... i remember Von something lol

Could be, I'm pretty good about switching. I like to be outnumbered. It's more fun. I'm expected to lose if I'm outnumbered. So I have nothing to lose. If I win Bravo, if not, I'm still on top of the leaderboard. 2 on 6 or 1 on 7, that's just a Target rich environment. If I didn't notice that you were out numbered I appolgize. Most of the time I'll change sides. Next time point it out to me.

Haha it's fine, all i remember is either u or someone else even asked *the person* to stop camping/spawnkilling but he didn't stop

[M]VonKopp wrote:

knmh wrote: VonKopp, were you one of the people against me during that game... i remember Von something lol

Could be, I'm pretty good about switching. I like to be outnumbered. It's more fun. I'm expected to lose if I'm outnumbered. So I have nothing to lose. If I win Bravo, if not, I'm still on top of the leaderboard. 2 on 6 or 1 on 7, that's just a Target rich environment. If I didn't notice that you were out numbered I appolgize. Most of the time I'll change sides. Next time point it out to me.

You live your life between you wings Mav...

Really though, your right on many levels. I played a game earlier where this was happening. I was left alone, think I had one wing commander with me, but reds all over me. Sometimes I dropped, most the time I held on just for the heck of it...just in case I got by them...lol, yea right.

But that's beside the point, the point is I had 30+ kills. Others had 20 or less. I came out with the same points they had in the end even though I lost. Yea, yea, it's fun to win...but hey, I say it's fun to fly!

Bomb droppers should be court marshalled for waisting army supplies. Bomb droppers must die.!

Once thing I do notice about droppers is they don't typically have that great of a kdr. It was just me and a well known dropper against 4 reds last night. I wish I got a screen shot. But anyway, I held my bomb and throughout the game, I had a far better kdr than he did and remained at the top of the in hand leader board. That is a trend I have noticed...mostly with lower ranked droppers.

Ok I'm not saying there aren't times when you need to drop I do but only when I'm being camped on either from someone that has already bombed or just some low life that left his bomb at the end of his runway. But even when I bomb a tank I get another bomb there are players out there that know me and will tell you I can defend my base or ship even if I'm all alone and I do it with my bomb on. I started playing this game and that's just what this is is a GAME not a real war. In the open servers i had my butt handed to me so much it wasn't funny. I learned from.the pilots in this game and to them I thank you. From asprint to now I've carried bomb and will continue to do so. All I'm.saying to droppers is have some mother lovein respect for the game at hand rember without integrity there is no honor and dixe we have been flying together along time and I know a win is important but when you drop your bomb cause your stuck with a bunch of noobs so you wont lose only teaches them its ok to drop and besides most of them sneak anyway

I only drop when I see General Jackson, That man is a thing of beauty. You see, I see my self running towards him in a field of lavander with short shorts on and a tank top to match..... I drop so I can get to him faster......

In my observation, there are lots of current high rankers who started as lower rank, lower skilled players and ranked up through unstrategic dropping, camping, and general kill mongering. And yeah, you can tell who they are, because (a) they prey only on noobier players who can't keep up even if they drop their own bomb, (b) they are not too awfully hard to kill head-on and in a first-turn double-tap with my bomb still strapped on, (c) they are pretty easy targets once I drop my own bomb, which I will do because of [d], and (d) they leave when they are outmatched in a bombless turning fight, to go find an easier game with noobiers. Oh and (e) they can't cover a bomber to save their own life; in fact, that's all they do is save their own butts, and hardly actually cover anyone. (Covering would require killing an enemy who is the "right now" threat to a bomber, not just killing an enemy and saying "well he coulda killed ya at some point duh.")

There is also a second group. These are some current high ranked players who play strategically to win the game, use bomb dropping with strategic timing, actually support bombers with timing and flanking (instead of just mopping up kills as their own teammates are dying... big difference there), actually do shoot enemies from the side, above, and below, by skillful leading of the target, avoid teamkilling whoopsies (what good is covering me if you keep hitting me and saying sorry), and return to base instead of camping, to pick up a bomb that they might be able to deliver since they are not the exclusive "cover." They know the difference between random acts of dogfighting that only looks like you're covering, versus well-timed covering where you help a bomber from getting killed real-time. These players also know to distract and tie up enemies far afield, instead of just sending a gang of planes back to spawnpoint just as I'm coming over the last hill. They know how to cover bombers because they are bombers themselves at least some of the time. They cover really well, with a bomb and without a bomb. They get thank you's from me when they give great cover, and they know when they did not have a good run and didn't make enough of a difference - that's when they say "sorry man, I was trying to cover you but I didn't get 'em."

This second group is frustrated because they get accused of being from the mongering first group. In fact, most players from the first group falsibly justify themselves as being from the exalted second group. The confusion is understandable, since they kinda look alike.

Plus, members of this second group are a rare find, as there are only three of them.

[Dogpile of unqualified self declaration follows ]

Manfred

Dent I would love to see that. As for general I just leave when I see him I guess he doesn't understand a.bombing mission is a homing mission its a bloddy game and if we all felt that every game needs fighters then thats all we would be doing there would be no one bombing witch kinda defeats the purpose of a bombing mission

Manfred, thankyou for the compliment but there are more than 3, I can count at least 10. When flying with these guys I tend to try to stay level with them on flank and aim at anything heading for my wingman, likewise he covers me and we head up the double bomb run, drop and then run a relay on the way back to cover each others return journey. I admit these kind of pilots are getting scarce but a true wingman stays around his fellow pilot until he himself is shot down, myself...I continue to try to cover even when im parachuting earthward.

Dr Dave wrote:

General jackson wrote: I don't drop to get kills/points...I do it to help the team....a game no matter what it is needs fighters along with bombers.

Says the chicken king.

Okay now dave! I wrote a simple statement based on what I believe to be fair game and you had to open your pie hole to make a rude statement like that. That was Uncalled for....

dentinhead wrote: I only drop when I see General Jackson, That man is a thing of beauty. You see, I see my self running towards him in a field of lavander with short shorts on and a tank top to match..... I drop so I can get to him faster......

Omg!!!! I'd do the same for you!!!)) picture two planes in a field of lavender going towards each other in slow motion!!!! Bahahahahahahahaa

MaDtotheMoM wrote: Manfred, thankyou for the compliment but there are more than 3, I can count at least 10. When flying with these guys I tend to try to stay level with them on flank and aim at anything heading for my wingman, likewise he covers me and we head up the double bomb run, drop and then run a relay on the way back to cover each others return journey. I admit these kind of pilots are getting scarce but a true wingman stays around his fellow pilot until he himself is shot down, myself...I continue to try to cover even when im parachuting earthward.

Agreed, at least a dozen amazing fliers who keep the bomb for an ultra-effective mutual-wingman-cover double run. These guys are a pleasure to fly with, and their skills are something to strive for. I am in awe of them.

The qualification above was for the mass of self-proclaimed "bombless coverers." There are not many of these pilots who actually affect true cover that is better than what a good bomb-laden wingman can provide. I give these frequent droppers kudos when they achieve a significantly higher level of cover that justifies losing the bomb back at the home runway.

Manfred

I despise droppers and could name at least a dozen good pilots guaranteed to drop every time. I give people on my team a hard time if I see them drop for no reason. The real bad offenders I will either not fly with or continue to call it out, just to try and shame them. The worst droppers are these new ones that bomb the hangers not in the mission just to get "easy points" they say. But it really ruins all the games. I heard wig will ban people for game disruption for doing it? Only when outnumbered in defense mode will I drop or to get the dropper in the middle if rarely needed.