I just wondering what do you think of players that use windows 8 and 8.1 or any players that are on larger screens ? compared to players that use smart phones and tablets ?

windows 8 does come with its own problems... But some pilots think its unfair ? I know there's a big difference between a 4 inch screen and a 15 inch and bigger but where all here to play the game and have fun.

Well for those pilots that think we have an unfair advantage using a computer or laptop just go ahead and give it a try playing this game using arrow keys.. Trust me when I say the disadvantages in aiming & plane control far outweigh the larger view.. just for one example, although yes we can see the little dots of planes further away easier, it's virtually impossible to line up your crosshairs on them because the arrow keys move the crosshairs WAAAAAY TOO MUCH! (than may change someday if the joystick support we were told should be here ever really happens)

If anyone has any doubts, feel free to download Dogfight onto your computer! LOL!

Use a xbox 360 controller

HitMan wrote: Use a xbox 360 controller

The toggle is on the wrong side for me.. unless there is some way of reassigning functions on those things?

Toggle on the left controlls plane

HitMan wrote: Toggle on the left controlls plane

I know.. and therein lies the problem.. I am used to controlling the plane with my right hand on the arrow keys.. if I could switch toggles to the other side then I would probably use one. But until that happens or joysticks become viable, arrow keys are the way I fly

Lol take a joystick and put Xbox 360 technology in it

Hold the controller upside down Zebra...

I play on PC. Yea, arrow keys are a son of a gun to do well. And lets not talk about the turns and such. I have a very hard time when I actually get in a dog fight with someone because they out turn me by leaps and bounds. If I had a tablet of my own I would play on it. I have played on my phone and yea, the screen is way too small for my eyes.

Once I figure out the controller thing I will sell the code to anyone with lots of money...

But really, bigger screens help some, but don't think it gives people that big of an edge. Tanking on PC is much, much harder than on tablet/phone.

S'all good. Play with whatcha got! There are a few Windows players I try avoid turn fighting with, well, because

Porkfinger wrote: we will never be able to outmaneuver a player using a keyboard - they have no gyroscope to slowly interpret their movement and ultimately move the plane. A keyboard basically gives a "hard line" to the plane so its movement is instant, and as you noticed faster than the devil with his balls on fire

I would have to say that I have never had anyone tell me that in the game my plane plays up, until today. Someone said that ther shots went right through my plane and that when I was in a parachute they couldn't see me. I'm not disputing this or calling them a liar but I didn't know that players using windows 8 affected the gameplay for uses of a different device. Which is no doubt unfair (although I will say they coped very well in hitting me enough times for them to win well played!)

Zebra I totally agree with you about arrow keys!!! So frustrating at times, especially head to head. I often want to move my crosshairs a milimeter and it moves about a centimetre! Part of the fun I guess but one thing I've found is if you need to move ever so slightly down then move left then right an you'll have gone down just the right amount, less than using the 'down' key!

I imagine that no matter what device you are using, there will be some slight issues you need to overcome or a few problems you need to solve but for me that is all part of the fun of the game!

Lastly, yes we have a much bigger screen but it doesn't make the planes any larger for me. All that happens is I get a wider view and get to see more scenery.

I hope this helps people and I'd be grateful to hear what other people have to say on the matter

I feel sorry for PC flyers.

I found this game after I went for a flight with a friend in his two seater. He let me take the controls for a large portion of the flight. It was amazing! Truely an experience I will never forget. I can still close my eyes and "feel" the plane responding to my touch.

I had just recently got my Kindle Fire HD as a gift so I went to the "app store" and looked for "flight simulator" and eventually came upon Dogfight. I got a bit frustrated at first trying to get the controls adjusted. My youngest son was watching and asked if he could try. He got it and managed to fly through the rings pretty well.

Okay. After a few more tries and getting used to the subtile motions needed for stable flight I managed to get through the first practice mission. It felt good. It felt like the tablet was the control stick. The only thing missing was the foot-pedal rudder controls. (I wonder if there are foot pedal controls available that could work with the proper support)

Anyway, I can't imagine playing with only buttons. I think it would be quite a disadvantage. I've been playing since before the game was available to Windows users. Once they came in I noticed some new flying styles. I think I can often tell if someone is playing on PC. There is a certian maneuverability they exhibit in close combat. It seems they can change direction almost instantly and can have semingly random movements which would be very hard on my wrists to do with motion control.

I've never tried keyboard but I think there may be a slight adventage in close maneuvering just because the commands are as fast as you can switch your fingers on the buttons. On motion control you actually have to change the tilt of the pad from one side to the other. Milliseconds I'm sure, but thats all it takes to dodge or jink. I've noticed that if I have the sensitivity at full on my tilt controls it can be tough to center on a far away plane. It will constantly overcorrect. It sounds similar to what windows users say about how it is difficult to center on a target far away.

Baasically, I think that functionally there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Right now it may seem that tilt control users have an overall advantage but I think that is largely due to the fact that there are not many upper level windows players yet. I think you would be supprised to know of a few of the high ranks that are keyboard flyers.

Time will tell in the long run.

I love the tilt controls. I'll stay with it even if keyboarders start flying circles around me.

Cricket wrote: S'all good. Play with whatcha got! There are a few Windows players I try avoid turn fighting with, well, because

Porkfinger wrote: we will never be able to outmaneuver a player using a keyboard - they have no gyroscope to slowly interpret their movement and ultimately move the plane. A keyboard basically gives a "hard line" to the plane so its movement is instant, and as you noticed faster than the devil with his balls on fire

Guess I must always be in turn fights with other win8 guys, or with planes better than mine? I smash the keyboard as hard as I can but have very hard times getting in view of my opponent.

One big disadvantage I have found in the PC is when you are not carrying a bomb(which is why I carry as much as possible). When your plane is going faster than it does without a bomb it constantly, and very frustratingly, "jigs" upwards. Makes me very dizzy, the bullets fly everywhere when shooting, and I absolutely have to slow down to bomb speed in order to aim at anything more than a few yards in front of me.

I have never had that problem with a phone.

I think there are advantages, and disadvantages. I think controls are out of the equation and it really boils down to screen size. So those with tablets have an advantage over those who use a phone really.

I can just picture myself standing up in the middle of the room and running around like a madman if I was using a tablet or iPad

McFate I can see what you mean about the tablet feeling like the control stick of a real plane and I bet it adds another whole new level to the game when someplay plays with a similar device!
I guess from what I've heard some PC players have really mastered this close combat style of fighting but me on the other hand is no where near. I'm just like Two Ton, sitting there pressing as hard as I can and leaning in my chair for that little bit of extra 'uumph' but it still doesn't help me much in evading my attacker or hitting my prey! I think I need to really go for it and just fly like that for the next couple of weeks and then maybe I can hold my own in a close combat fight! Time will tell

Two Ton wrote: One big disadvantage I have found in the PC is when you are not carrying a bomb(which is why I carry as much as possible). When your plane is going faster than it does without a bomb it constantly, and very frustratingly, "jigs" upwards. Makes me very dizzy, the bullets fly everywhere when shooting, and I absolutely have to slow down to bomb speed in order to aim at anything more than a few yards in front of me.

I have never had that problem with a phone.

I think there are advantages, and disadvantages. I think controls are out of the equation and it really boils down to screen size. So those with tablets have an advantage over those who use a phone really.

I've never really given that much thought as I assumed it happens to everyone one, which it does but of course those playing on a tablet will just tilt their device down slight to compensate so barely notice the plane climbing upwards!

I tend to lose the bomb if not needed and reduce throttle slightly so that if I find myself in trouble I can whack the throttle back to full and flee with my tail between my legs, quite literally

Duke_124 wrote: I can just picture myself standing up in the middle of the room and running around like a madman if I was using a tablet or iPad

McFate I can see what you mean about the tablet feeling like the control stick of a real plane and I bet it adds another whole new level to the game when someplay plays with a similar device!
I guess from what I've heard some PC players have really mastered this close combat style of fighting but me on the other hand is no where near. I'm just like Two Ton, sitting there pressing as hard as I can and leaning in my chair for that little bit of extra 'uumph' but it still doesn't help me much in evading my attacker or hitting my prey! I think I need to really go for it and just fly like that for the next couple of weeks and then maybe I can hold my own in a close combat fight! Time will tell

Sitting in a swiveling office chair is ideal. I sware that it helps to give it hard spin! Just make sure you're far enough from the desk so you don't whack your funny bone.

Two Ton wrote:

Cricket wrote: S'all good. Play with whatcha got! There are a few Windows players I try avoid turn fighting with, well, because

Porkfinger wrote: we will never be able to outmaneuver a player using a keyboard - they have no gyroscope to slowly interpret their movement and ultimately move the plane. A keyboard basically gives a "hard line" to the plane so its movement is instant, and as you noticed faster than the devil with his balls on fire

Guess I must always be in turn fights with other win8 guys, or with planes better than mine? I smash the keyboard as hard as I can but have very hard times getting in view of my opponent.

I tried DF again last night on a different computer, a PC this time instead of my buddy's laptop. I sucked just as bad as I did on the laptop, only the plane didn't turn any faster than it does on my tablet! I'll call my friend and ask him what's different about his laptop (and what it is), and report back here. I couldn't believe how lightening fast my DV turned on that thing! I take back what I said about using a keyboard, I foolishly assumed they would all perform the same

I'm using a wireless keyboard and mouse. I have to wonder if wired ones would perform differently. I did start playng, back in December, on a wired setup. But I don't remember any difference.

There may be one thing going on with win8 though. I was in a game today where there were reports of planes not going down after a couple hits. I've always said its lag, but someone said that it is something PC gamers use on other games? I'm not a "gamer" so I have no clue. But I'm willing to bet it's not something you can do on a tablet.

I agree I expect every devise has it's advantages and disadvantages.

Two Ton there's a infamous cheat that people can construct that I expect would require the use of a PC, or gaming consoles like X-box and PS3. That could be what they were talking about.

The heavy pull upward at speeds over 140 is very irritating. I always say you can tell when someone's using a keyboard because they fly like a dolphin leaping in and out of the water lol

A side question, If anyone knows how to remap keys on a keyboard please send me a PM on how. Both my up and down keys plus the space between them are combined to fit in a single key slot. I'd love to try the number pad as it would be a far more relaxed position for my hand, and stop me from hitting up and down at the same time. For that to work though the down key has to be #5 as #2 is to far down.

I think we are a pretty great group of guys

hi i'm a windows player(pc). just like what the others said above, all platforms have advantage and disadvantages. For us, sure the advantage may be a wider screen and all but that doesn't mean planes look bigger from far away. Also, maneuvering/aiming for us is more difficult compared to other devices which is the twist of the game for us.

we've encountered problems of our own in the past (ghost kills and getting ghost killed) but that's why we have updates. also, we have no control over windows 8 players (those with bugs and all) since they don't get updates anymore. in the announcement section of this forum you'll see that dogfight will discontinue it's service to win8 users. So you'll be playing with those that DO get the updates (win8.1)

good luck with your flights Good thread though^^ I hope non-pc players will understand more through this thread.

Personally, Weatherman, I must agree with you. I also play on windows 8, and the drifting upwards is the most annoying thing in the world. The only ways I can solve it are carrying a bomb or dropping the throttle down in head-to-heads. When aiming, though, what really works for me is aiming a little up and to one side of a target, then tilt just a little bit, and your target circle will drift down over the plane you are shooting at. It is, in my opinion, much easier than pressing up, down, up, down, and hoping you get lucky.

McFate wrote:

Duke_124 wrote: I can just picture myself standing up in the middle of the room and running around like a madman if I was using a tablet or iPad

McFate I can see what you mean about the tablet feeling like the control stick of a real plane and I bet it adds another whole new level to the game when someplay plays with a similar device!
I guess from what I've heard some PC players have really mastered this close combat style of fighting but me on the other hand is no where near. I'm just like Two Ton, sitting there pressing as hard as I can and leaning in my chair for that little bit of extra 'uumph' but it still doesn't help me much in evading my attacker or hitting my prey! I think I need to really go for it and just fly like that for the next couple of weeks and then maybe I can hold my own in a close combat fight! Time will tell

Sitting in a swiveling office chair is ideal. I sware that it helps to give it hard spin! Just make sure you're far enough from the desk so you don't whack your funny bone.

Happened to me recently (on a non-DF related matter at that)... Let's just say funny bone didn't feel so funny...

I suggest that all keyboard flyers invest in an xbox 360 controller its like shooting a barret .50 caliber rifle all ways dead on and those small adjustments really help because I know its hard to move your crosshairs with the arrow keys and u cant always lock on just right

HitMan wrote: I suggest that all keyboard flyers invest in an xbox 360 controller its like shooting a barret .50 caliber rifle all ways dead on and those small adjustments really help because I know its hard to move your crosshairs with the arrow keys and u cant always lock on just right

Can you just plug it in to your HDMI slot when you realize you're in a bombing mission? Or must it be hooked up prior to starting missions or the app?

HDMI might work but I plug mine into the USB port and u can plug it in at any time and it will work if your already in s game

HitMan wrote: I suggest that all keyboard flyers invest in an xbox 360 controller its like shooting a barret .50 caliber rifle all ways dead on and those small adjustments really help because I know its hard to move your crosshairs with the arrow keys and u cant always lock on just right

I wonder why it works and not other joystick controllers? Wonder what the difference is?

Thanks for starting this discussion, HitMan. For you and other more recent Dogfight players using Windows 8 there's a lack of context which, I'm sure, makes the grousing I was doing (which prompted your creation of this thread) seem somewhat extreme.

When Windows 8 compatibility was introduced to Dogfight some time ago there was a severe syncing problem. WIn8 users were dramatically out of sync with Android and Apple users. It was commonplace to be on the tail of a Windows user, watching him blast away at nothing...and to be shot down by him! Just as common was being killed, often several consecutive times, on your airstrip while the Win8 user killing you was 8 miles away over his own base. These "out of body" kills would happen throughout the game at all points on the map. Windows users were seeing an entirely different configuration of players and locations than the rest of us saw.

Joaquin's input was "Give it time." The synchronization was expected to, eventually, line up. To a large extent, it has. But not 100%. There is still some disconnect, albeit much more subtle and less clear to the naked eye. But it is undeniably there.

Add to that the presence of a vast array of exploitable factors like larger displays, more rapid turning response, earlier draw time in head-to-head encounters and the ubiquitous "one hit kills" and you have a genuine problem. Unlike some of the Windows users posting here there is a growing contingent who use game controllers that respond, as you know from experience, much more quickly and accurately than the tilt control on a 4" phone or a 7" or 10" tablet. An X-360 controller paired with a full sized display (not even the 60" flat panel you admitted to sometimes using!) is the rough equivalent of Mark McGwire on an IV drip of anabolic steroids or Lance Armstrong on a Harley in the Tour De France. Add to that pronounced edge the ability to use the hacks, cheats and modifications mentioned above and the disjoint between tricked out Windows and static Apple/Android becomes a serious problem. I know with almost absolute certainly of at least a few specific players who are using a "Lag Switch", something that can only be used when playing on a PC. Look it up, it's enlightening.

It was inevitable that players with access to tech edges in the form of faster, bigger, modifiable gear would exploit their advantages to excel at Dogfight. It should be understandable that players who've invested two or three years in developing skill and building stats in a game designed for handheld devices, for which Windows is a somewhat buggy afterthought, are unhappy about it. Contrary to what you said, that we should all just, "Upgrade" to Windows and stop complaining, we don't regard Windows as an upgrade, we regard it as a collection of glitches that produce at least the potential for an unfair slant in performance. If I had access to a Lag Switch, I wouldn't use one. If I had access to a 60" screen in a game populated with tens of thousands of users restricted to 4"-10" screens, I'd use the 7" tablet I use now. "Screw you if you can't keep up" is not an appropriate response. We phone and tablet players will continue to find ways to combat the leg-up provided by Windows. And, rest assured, some of us will continue to voice our frustration when one-hit-killed at beyond maximum range, when shooting you point blank ten times without dropping you, when Winlag killed on our strip.

You were offended at the suggestion that your results might be due to technological factors and not your playing skill. With those tech edges in play we'll never know. I'd invite you, as you did me, to "Upgrade", that is, start playing on the device type for which Dogfight was designed and on which most of us play. The answer isn't that the many and experienced should adapt to the few and inexperienced.

There are players using phones who can smoke me at least half the times we meet. In many cases well better than half. I respect them because I know we're on a level playing field. No, it isn't all about winning, and yes, we all play for fun, and no, we don't enjoy playing the new kid on PEDs who may or may not have exceptional skill (something we can't know in the context of "juiced" performance) but hasn't earned his stripes the old-fashioned way. Can you blame us?

I only used the 60inch once LOL its not as good as ya think. And im still processing your well writen essay

I have to say that I got some new insight last night. I played just a little on my wives iPad. Boy oh boy... It would have been interesting to see what my plane looked like from another viewpoint. I could not fly straight to save my life. But, that is because I "learned" to fly using my fingers, not my arms.

Reminds me of the time I put down a high tech compound bow I was shooting and decided to shoot an "old fashioned" re-curve. I got good with it, for a while, and then when I decided to pick up the compound again I could not shoot it worth a darn. I had adapted to the other.

Was the outcome the same for both bows? Yep, the arrow would hit the target. Just a different way of getting there. Each one has its strengths and weaknesses, most of the time being the exact opposite of the other.

Thats the way I view this game...except when you throw in the ability to use cheat things. While it intrigues me, I am not going to look into it much because I don't want to be tempted. I like the competition, and while it is frustrating, it adds to the game. Would'nt most of you agree that at one point or another when you would play a game where the "computer" was the opponent you would always wonder to yourself...is the computer cheating somehow?

Did it stop you from playing? Sometimes it did me, but I would just try harder. Never made me want to not play ever again.

So I recognize now what your talking about wig, and can see where others are coming from now. But I want to state plainly that I have no cheat things going on and never will. If I am found to be a liar, then ban me. The issue with the laggin, well, lets just say that it happens I am sure, but it happens on both sides. I have played many a game where I would be the one shot down with no plane in sight or completely emptying my gun on a plane only to have him shoot me down like no ones business.

Do the servers recognize between the two platforms? One thought that comes to mind is that while its not ideal for the two to be playing against each other, it is nice to have one on your side if they have one on their side. So maybe, in the future, the servers could assign an equal amount to each side (when possible).

Sorry for the long post...