Many players have multiple Accounts. I have had two for a long time. I started my second account back when veidar2 started the dogfight photo journalists group, we used the new accounts because we didn't ever fire while flying as photo journalists, we would announce that we were non combatants just taking pics of the action and hope we didn't get shot up too much. Since the photo journalism crew kinda fell apart when veidar went missing, I now use my second account as a stealth account so people don't just act good because a moderator is around. I see no issue with having more than one account, however I see how being in multiple squads could cause problems unless both squads are aware and approve your dual membership.

What's that account. Sometimes I announce that I am just. Takin pics and people still shoot me

I think if I was rich I'd have two accounts. But for now I'll just use the alias I use when I'm tired of hearing about the (long dead and lost cause of the) Confederacy:

YankeeCarptBagger
WhoseThisGuy

See you out there

I knew you were Yankee carpetbagger lol

I initiated this whole thing. I started this account as Lafayettenousici, then changed my name to Goshawk, then to JEB Stuart when I started up the CAC. I thought of this squadron as a reflection in the game for something some of us identify with in our non-game lives. When you recruit for a squadron like this, you reach out to people who might have a southern or confederate connection, either related to their in game name, a posting on a forum, or their point of origin as they indicated on their profile.

I think I sent out that feeler PM (that bzerkbzerk started this thread with) to five players. 5 players. What percentage of players is that in the game? I'm not sure, but it's probably less than a tenth of one percent. Now someone decided that PM stood for public message instead of private message.

Oy vey.

In my mind there is no concept of spying in this game. We don't have squadron wars, squadron members are frequently too far apart to directly aid another squadron member when both are blue, or fly against each other. There are soooo many posts on this forum, as well as freely IM'd freely given advice given in-game by senior players, that I find it difficult to conceive of secret strategies that can only be concocted in private. When we get to a squadron wars situation, then we may have to worry about this. Many players jump squadrons or start their own. Are we to assume this is for the nefarious purpose of stealing squadron "work product?"

This is just a game to me, despite the fact that I waste a tremendous amount of free time doing it--believe me, I could be doing a lot of other more important things in my day. But I love this game. My first airplane toys were World War One biplanes. I concentrated my BA in history on the First World War.

Some people here take the game and loyalty to a squadron much more seriously than I had imagined. In retrospect, I should have thought about that. When GreyGhost replied to my PM, he asked me not to recruit from the Misfits; I promplty replied that I would not. I don't believe I sensed then that he had any concern about "spying".

I solicited the participation of people that had exhibited a southern connection--e.g. GreyGhost is a reference to John Singleton Mosby, or other players that had posted pro constitution, pro liberty, or pro second amendment statements in other forum threads. These people are more likely to have some connection to, or understand the motivation of the Confederate States.

I was educated in a public school in New York state; my father is a North Carolinian. In grade school, I heard all of the usual pro Union, evil confederate stuff and my feelings toward the Confederacy were basically disgust and incredulity, like some who have already responded on this thread.

When I was a kid in school, one question about the Confederacy always perplexed me. Who would fight for slavery? Why would a non-slave owning private (90 plus percent of the Confederate States Army) risk his life and the security of his family and wealth to preserve slavery?

It turns out most of the rank and file was not motivated to fight to preserve that institution. The working southern man in 1860 was no more fond of the rich slave owners than the modern blue collar workers are for the 1% crony capitalists and banksters of Wall Street.

Turns out the rank and file fought for many reasons, with preserving slavery being as low on the Confederate side as there were abolitionists in the north (abolitionists estimated at 3% of the population at the time of the War). Most common reasons: 75000 volunteers from the North invaded the South, directly threatening their homes and families, preserving the original concept of the Union -- that it was voluntary, that a State was a sovereign country that voluntarily joined with the other states, and created a Federal (i.e. same root as Confederate) government to delegate certain very specific responsibilities. The war started over the right of secession--can a Sovereign state that voluntarily joins a Union then later voluntarily void the compact. It was a war with strong economic, philosophical, and cultural underpinnings. Slavery was a proximate constitutional cause of the war -- the southern states took issue with the federal government overstepping their mandate and the 87 year old status quo over the issue of slavery.

I found out only two years ago (I am a doctor, 47 year old father of three) that I am descended directly from 5 veterans of the CSA, and several Revolutionary War veterans. None of my Confederate veteran ancestors was a slave owner, and none owned more than a one family farm. This led to more and more reading about the Confederate side of things and thus to my current identification to the Confederacy. Public school books are court historian Kool-Aid. I know, I've drunk that Kool Aid before I read more on the subject.

With regard to the second account solicitation: I meant no offense to anyone. In my mind, a second account to a legit player is just for fun. You know, fun. Like a game. Isn't that why we are here? This isn't Coke vs. Pepsi for me...If you fly with Enigma with one account, you shoot down CAC players. If you then fly with the CAC in a second account against Enigma, you play for a different team, you shoot down enigmas...big deal. Fun. No one dies. You get points. You go up in rank. You compete against yourself as much as others.

The only person who makes money out of this is Zup, and the more power to him for making a worldwide product that is used across multiple platforms by people of myriad backgrounds. The essence of true capitalism, and I wish Joaquin/Zuperman a lot of success (just get the Samsung 3S squared away, for G-d's sake). A second account may be discouraged, but economically it is shooting himself in the foot, just when he is ramping up. Don't expect the guideline, rule, or whatever you want to call it to be enforced, ever.

Please feel free to respond.
JEB Stuart, previously Goshawk

Ya when u gonna be done with that manifesto dr jeb

From Dixieconfederate
Or stand Watie

Well my Karma's on its way out the window again for sure!

I'd like to make a few points, and the. Y'all can have at me, I'm a big boy and can take most of it.

Firstly, I'm a M.O.M and have one account. I'll be a M.O.M until they boot me out.

Secondly, if I had no already been in a squad I probably would have joined CSA.

Next, multiple accounts in and of itself is fine in my book, it adds an interesting dynamic to the game. Multiple accounts WITH multiple squad memberships is wrong. It is counterintuitive. Joining a squad is declaring allegiance...period. Not a lot of room for interpretation as I see it.

Lastly, the comment that the name of this new squad (Confederate being the evil word) is embarrassing to someone as an American is probably one the main reasons this squad was created in the first place. I grew up in the South. I was raised in the South and I was raised in a fairly racist environment. I shared (past tense) the same racist views as those around me. I joined the US Navy and after about 2 weeks of boot camp, I realized I didn't care if somebody was frigging rainbow-colored and worshipped Donald Duck (cool guy, but not worthy) as long as we could count on each other to pull the other one's funny colored butt out the fire. I soon learned racism=stupidity. I also learned that simply because I was from the South and proud of it, I was a target of discrimination. Equally stupid. So many "open-minded", "free-thinking" people are the first to assume a Southerner is ignorant, racist, inbred blah blah blah. News flash! Those types of stereotypes are just as discriminatory as any that are applied to any race, religion or creed. I had relatives that fought and died for the South (and North) and I'll be damned if I'll dishonor them because anyone thinks the word Confederate is "embarrassing". If you can celebrate your black pride, gay pride, catholic pride or any other ethnicity/preference/belief I'm equally entitled to celebrate my Southern heritage. If you don't agree, that doesn't make me the ignorant one. I'm proud to be Southern and if that bothers you, you have a problem.

Lastly, dare to educate yourself. Yes, slavery was one issue behind the Civil War, it was not THE issue. It had as much or more to do with economics, but that aspect isn't nearly as exciting or simple as slavery. Seriously, do a little research before you go spouting off about it. The abolition of slavery was a just and logical step in our history and one of the very few benefits that came out of a conflict that nearly destroyed an infant nation.

This post isn't intended to be inflammatory. If I offend you in some way, you have misinterpreted my message. Please feel free to PM me and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.

Thanks,
PH (Southern as a butter bean)

Done...Look on squadron page

Just did and i pm a mod to sticky it

We need to get banners made

[e]Sputnik wrote:

Utah70 wrote:

randyah96 wrote:

[e]Sputnik wrote:

randyah96 wrote: Ok this thread is about two accounts take it somewhere else!!!! Not slavery That crap ended along time ago we are a modern america with rights equel for everone now take your slavery somewhere else and stop with the whole confederate thing its long GONE

Sheesh you could of at least taking this message via PM. It's these type of messages that start flames.

ur a mom that u were with enigma?

LOL

I don't get what's funny here. Randy can you at least explain what you mean? Yes I am a MOM that waswith enigma.

i simple saw ur banner with mom on it i did not know u had left the enigma i was not downing u or anything just makimg a observation it non of
My buisness why u left sorry if i offened you in any way

Ok the only way i think it would even be nessory to have two accounts is 1 u lost pr got banned or something happened where u could not get on ur first account... 2nd say me for example
Reached level 31 and wanted the excitment of getting points for planes and wanted to level up again and have fun so i would create ontjer account but keep my same name but instead of my name being randyah96 it would be on tue second account randyah96#2 #2 being the second time i am trying to get to level 31 and if ur in a squad just join the same squad

I posted this with no mention on my part to the civil war or it's beginning or end. I made no mention to this topic what so ever. Due to the content within the message a creature all it's own has emerged.

Quite simply it is your right and freedom to do as you please, no argument or discussion needed. Second accounts are your choice as well, which is why this post was initiated .

In any game, we look to honesty as a buffer to keep the masses from over throwing the enjoyment in which we absorb from the game.

Bzerk are you joining the cac

im thinking bout doing what jackson said. i have 2 devices and wouldnt mind having a second account on one just to take pics. i woulnt be o here with diff account tho probaly

I sent you a pm

me?? ok.

Thank you PH and Goshawk for the thoughts. It has helped me understand. I am from Washington state, and in my environment (hollywood aint helping either,) the confederate flag has usually been flown by hate-filled persons.

I've learned from you guys that there are good men who also fly the confederate flag.

Thanks for the anti-racism squad rules as well. Good luck to all you Southerners!

I ain't so bad am I?

In some aspect I think the entire point has been lost within the sarcasm that followed this thread, which was anticipated.

I suppose that when I think of my children growing up that I want them to understand what honor and respect mean to them as individuals. Something that they will have to decide for themselves, yet with guidance from us as adults, parents.

I hope that my actions reflect upon them how to be respectfull and genuine in everything they do. So if it is acceptable to those to pretend to be something you are not, then I implore you to teach that behavior to your children if you have them. Scary thought.

It is a game, but all games have honor that is taught and shown to be a value that should be respected. I do not encourage my children to win in a manner that is considered immoral in any way.

Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned like that, but if it's something I would be ashamed to teach them, then why do it?

Yo buddy!!
I take it what he means is..
[E] infront the name would stand for Enigma.
I don't have a secound account but I won't look less on people who do cos this is a game untill Z says so. Have as many accounts as u like for all i care. Abide by the DF rules and u're ok with me, but I too agree with Grey honnor u're squadron Big or Small if u've chosen that squad have some honnor and pride so if u r in more than one squad i'ts a NO for me. U're in another squad besides mine u're still a friend and I'm sure many others would say the same.
Anyway u're right Grey don't bring religon or polotics into this awsome game.
Ps being from OZ i had always thought the union were trying to free slavery not the south??

Racism? Slavery??
I'm REALLY SICK by knowing that these subjects are still spoken nowadays.

although this thread was start about having two accounts and never once about slavery the civil war or racism but this seems to be what it has turned into. It seems to me that people have this miscomception about the confederate flag it is not a symbol of racism or slavery but a heritage and a symbol of what this country was when it was divided.I live in southwest virginia one of the key confederate states during the civil war the confederate flag represents those ancesters that fought and died during the civil war fighting for the south. THAT SAID, ENOUGH WITH THE RACIST BIGGOTRY WE ALL BLEED THE SAME COLOR,SO IAM HAPPY THAT A SQUAD WANTS TO REPRESENT THE SOUTHERN HERITAGE BY FLYING THE REBEL FLAG AGAIN I SAY HERITAGE!!!!!!!!!!!! WILL I BE JOINING ABSOLUTELY NOT, BECAUSE I GAVE MY ALLEGIENCE TO THE MISFITS AND I WOULD NOT BETRAY THERE TRUST. AND FRANKLY ITS JUST DISHONERABLE.I HOPE I DIDNT OFFEND ANYONE. IS THE CONFEDERATE FLAG OK, YES IT IS, DOES IT REPRESENT RACISM, ABSOLUTLEY NOT, IS HAVING TWO ACCOUNTS OK, NOT UNLESS YOU HAVE NO PRIDE AND HONOR FOR YOURSELF AND OTHERS.

ParrotHead wrote: Well my Karma's on its way out the window again for sure!

I'd like to make a few points, and the. Y'all can have at me, I'm a big boy and can take most of it.

Firstly, I'm a M.O.M and have one account. I'll be a M.O.M until they boot me out.

Secondly, if I had no already been in a squad I probably would have joined CSA.

Next, multiple accounts in and of itself is fine in my book, it adds an interesting dynamic to the game. Multiple accounts WITH multiple squad memberships is wrong. It is counterintuitive. Joining a squad is declaring allegiance...period. Not a lot of room for interpretation as I see it.

Lastly, the comment that the name of this new squad (Confederate being the evil word) is embarrassing to someone as an American is probably one the main reasons this squad was created in the first place. I grew up in the South. I was raised in the South and I was raised in a fairly racist environment. I shared (past tense) the same racist views as those around me. I joined the US Navy and after about 2 weeks of boot camp, I realized I didn't care if somebody was frigging rainbow-colored and worshipped Donald Duck (cool guy, but not worthy) as long as we could count on each other to pull the other one's funny colored butt out the fire. I soon learned racism=stupidity. I also learned that simply because I was from the South and proud of it, I was a target of discrimination. Equally stupid. So many "open-minded", "free-thinking" people are the first to assume a Southerner is ignorant, racist, inbred blah blah blah. News flash! Those types of stereotypes are just as discriminatory as any that are applied to any race, religion or creed. I had relatives that fought and died for the South (and North) and I'll be damned if I'll dishonor them because anyone thinks the word Confederate is "embarrassing". If you can celebrate your black pride, gay pride, catholic pride or any other ethnicity/preference/belief I'm equally entitled to celebrate my Southern heritage. If you don't agree, that doesn't make me the ignorant one. I'm proud to be Southern and if that bothers you, you have a problem.

Lastly, dare to educate yourself. Yes, slavery was one issue behind the Civil War, it was not THE issue. It had as much or more to do with economics, but that aspect isn't nearly as exciting or simple as slavery. Seriously, do a little research before you go spouting off about it. The abolition of slavery was a just and logical step in our history and one of the very few benefits that came out of a conflict that nearly destroyed an infant nation.

This post isn't intended to be inflammatory. If I offend you in some way, you have misinterpreted my message. Please feel free to PM me and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.

Thanks,
PH (Southern as a butter bean)

1 karma point to you Parrot for saving me the trouble. I was just about to light the place up, and probably nowhere near as tactfully as you just did... But I'll just second everything you just said. My ancestors fought on both sides, but I grew up in a combination of the Mississippi Delta and the Appalachian mountains. Growing up, I had many beliefs that were just not right, but I grew up and learned better. Now I hate everyone equally. (Just kidding).

You just said it all. Thank you very much.

Btw, multiple accounts... Big deal. Do people actually believe everything they see on the Internet is the gospel truth? Ok. Maybe I really do own a pirate bar. Hahaha. Arrgh

Hope your YELLING wasn't directed at me, jdrock123...
I am only complaining about the fact that racism and slavery are still being subject of forum conversations...
I didn't put any comments about the main subject (the two-accounts thing), because I don't care about it; and I didn't put any comments about USA civil war subject, because I am from Brazil, I live in Brazil and I don't like sniffing my nose on other people's issues (we have way too different cultures), and I don't like war-related subjects at all. I am a complete ignorant (and I will die being so) about any war-related subjects, even being part of history. I think any kind of war is a complete stupidity.
And being a brazilian, I don't have any "miscomception about the confederate flag", because it doesn't matter to me.
I only commented about how sad it is to see those two words still being spoken.
As I said at the first line, I hope your yellings was not focused at me. If not, excuse my misunderstanding. My English is not good. But if so, please, know that I was not intending to put wood on this fire about civil war heritage.

Iam Sorry I Didn't Mean That My Caps Was On And Didn't Even Pay AtteNtion And I Was Not MeaniNg Anyone In Particular Just I General Your Ok

Lafayettenousici wrote: I initiated this whole thing. I started this account as Lafayettenousici, then changed my name to Goshawk, then to JEB Stuart when I started up the CAC. I thought of this squadron as a reflection in the game for something some of us identify with in our non-game lives. When you recruit for a squadron like this, you reach out to people who might have a southern or confederate connection, either related to their in game name, a posting on a forum, or their point of origin as they indicated on their profile.

I think I sent out that feeler PM (that bzerkbzerk started this thread with) to five players. 5 players. What percentage of players is that in the game? I'm not sure, but it's probably less than a tenth of one percent. Now someone decided that PM stood for public message instead of private message.

Oy vey.

In my mind there is no concept of spying in this game. We don't have squadron wars, squadron members are frequently too far apart to directly aid another squadron member when both are blue, or fly against each other. There are soooo many posts on this forum, as well as freely IM'd freely given advice given in-game by senior players, that I find it difficult to conceive of secret strategies that can only be concocted in private. When we get to a squadron wars situation, then we may have to worry about this. Many players jump squadrons or start their own. Are we to assume this is for the nefarious purpose of stealing squadron "work product?"

This is just a game to me, despite the fact that I waste a tremendous amount of free time doing it--believe me, I could be doing a lot of other more important things in my day. But I love this game. My first airplane toys were World War One biplanes. I concentrated my BA in history on the First World War.

Some people here take the game and loyalty to a squadron much more seriously than I had imagined. In retrospect, I should have thought about that. When GreyGhost replied to my PM, he asked me not to recruit from the Misfits; I promplty replied that I would not. I don't believe I sensed then that he had any concern about "spying".

I solicited the participation of people that had exhibited a southern connection--e.g. GreyGhost is a reference to John Singleton Mosby, or other players that had posted pro constitution, pro liberty, or pro second amendment statements in other forum threads. These people are more likely to have some connection to, or understand the motivation of the Confederate States.

I was educated in a public school in New York state; my father is a North Carolinian. In grade school, I heard all of the usual pro Union, evil confederate stuff and my feelings toward the Confederacy were basically disgust and incredulity, like some who have already responded on this thread.

When I was a kid in school, one question about the Confederacy always perplexed me. Who would fight for slavery? Why would a non-slave owning private (90 plus percent of the Confederate States Army) risk his life and the security of his family and wealth to preserve slavery?

It turns out most of the rank and file was not motivated to fight to preserve that institution. The working southern man in 1860 was no more fond of the rich slave owners than the modern blue collar workers are for the 1% crony capitalists and banksters of Wall Street.

Turns out the rank and file fought for many reasons, with preserving slavery being as low on the Confederate side as there were abolitionists in the north (abolitionists estimated at 3% of the population at the time of the War). Most common reasons: 75000 volunteers from the North invaded the South, directly threatening their homes and families, preserving the original concept of the Union -- that it was voluntary, that a State was a sovereign country that voluntarily joined with the other states, and created a Federal (i.e. same root as Confederate) government to delegate certain very specific responsibilities. The war started over the right of secession--can a Sovereign state that voluntarily joins a Union then later voluntarily void the compact. It was a war with strong economic, philosophical, and cultural underpinnings. Slavery was a proximate constitutional cause of the war -- the southern states took issue with the federal government overstepping their mandate and the 87 year old status quo over the issue of slavery.

I found out only two years ago (I am a doctor, 47 year old father of three) that I am descended directly from 5 veterans of the CSA, and several Revolutionary War veterans. None of my Confederate veteran ancestors was a slave owner, and none owned more than a one family farm. This led to more and more reading about the Confederate side of things and thus to my current identification to the Confederacy. Public school books are court historian Kool-Aid. I know, I've drunk that Kool Aid before I read more on the subject.

With regard to the second account solicitation: I meant no offense to anyone. In my mind, a second account to a legit player is just for fun. You know, fun. Like a game. Isn't that why we are here? This isn't Coke vs. Pepsi for me...If you fly with Enigma with one account, you shoot down CAC players. If you then fly with the CAC in a second account against Enigma, you play for a different team, you shoot down enigmas...big deal. Fun. No one dies. You get points. You go up in rank. You compete against yourself as much as others.

The only person who makes money out of this is Zup, and the more power to him for making a worldwide product that is used across multiple platforms by people of myriad backgrounds. The essence of true capitalism, and I wish Joaquin/Zuperman a lot of success (just get the Samsung 3S squared away, for G-d's sake). A second account may be discouraged, but economically it is shooting himself in the foot, just when he is ramping up. Don't expect the guideline, rule, or whatever you want to call it to be enforced, ever.

Please feel free to respond.
JEB Stuart, previously Goshawk

We're going to have to elect you and Big Tex as the official dogfight historians. Very well put...

Multiple identities don't require repurchasing the app... But lest I open Pandora's box I'll just keep the how-to to myself. It's not too hard to figure out how to do though.

Rebel Flags... They are what you make of them. Nazi's and Skinheads love them some German Iron crosses, but yet they are on the side of our enemy planes, and all over the misfit banners. If I remember right, the KKK logo has an iron cross integrated into it. Does that mean they need to be removed from everything in our game and forum? Hell no. Just understand that flags as well as symbols often have different meanings to different people. In India today, vehicles have swastikas painted all over them.... As a symbol to bring good luck. A Confederate battle flag to most southerners these days simply means "hell yea we're from the south". Nothing more, nothing less. Did a bunch of a-holes wearing bed sheets try to adopt it for their organization also? Yep. But not everyone with a battle flag is a member or sympathizer of the KKK.

I completely understand why Jeb put the line about anti racism in the pm. If you say confederate and south to most people with very limited knowledge, they automatically go straight to the worst case. It's all they know about the south.

Ok. Enough ranting. I'm done with this one.

Later

It seems that the confederate flag and slavery are not the real reason people are so opposed to this thread or the squadron that's forming, But people are more upset with the ideal of two accounts and belonging to two different squads at same time. I'm behind the ideals of this squadron but I think you should have held off on the two squadrons part. I know it's just a game but its also a release or escape for many from the every day routine of our lives, This doesn't mean we don't enjoy our life but rather we are maybe wanting to add to it, something no one else see's or hears, or even knows about till they to try it, And being apart of something like a squadron means they have your back, they know your secrets they know things you wouldn't share with others ( via PMs and online squadron threads) being a member of two squads brakes down this trust because you no longer know who is and who isn't, anyway you get the ideal. If you want this new squadron to be accepted openly by the masses then ether do away with the two accounts or keep it a secret.... Yes I know, the secrets already out so that should narrow it down for you. But, I do support having a confederate squadron, Fly high and Fly proud, Southern Values Forever.



Note, I do not support slavery or the owning or ownership of others, so no hate mail.

randyah96 wrote:

[e]Sputnik wrote:

Utah70 wrote:

randyah96 wrote:

[e]Sputnik wrote:

randyah96 wrote: Ok this thread is about two accounts take it somewhere else!!!! Not slavery That crap ended along time ago we are a modern america with rights equel for everone now take your slavery somewhere else and stop with the whole confederate thing its long GONE

Sheesh you could of at least taking this message via PM. It's these type of messages that start flames.

ur a mom that u were with enigma?

LOL

I don't get what's funny here. Randy can you at least explain what you mean? Yes I am a MOM that waswith enigma.

i simple saw ur banner with mom on it i did not know u had left the enigma i was not downing u or anything just makimg a observation it non of
My buisness why u left sorry if i offened you in any way

RANDY,
SPUT has been a little moody lately. Every since we got him a mirror for his birthday.

Yes Jackipe, funny about the Indian swastikas. Though if you look closer the Indian version is backwards as though it were a propeller spinning the opposite direction