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Top 100 Players-- Additional Stats Spreadsheet 12 years 7 months ago #73103

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Sorry this is not in a more convenient form; formating tables into the forum has proven tricky.

These stats are as of Feb 20 2013, 19:00 PST. They were imported from the forum rankings, and the player's military rank has been removed for spacing. The forum numbers were used to calculate some new categories in Excell.

New ratios for you to look at include:
Kills per Death, aka KDR or Kill Death Ratio
Kills per Hanger Bombed
Deaths per Hanger Bombed
Crashes per Kill
Kills per Game Victory
Deaths per Game Victory

Its unfortunate we dont have data on total number of games played, but even without that data we can learn a lot about player strategy;

Who jetisons their bomb on takeoff, or is focused on bombing?

Who values the aircraft and their life the most, or is a sacrificer?

Who kamikazi bombs their hanger or goes back for a reload?

Who is just kicking buns, and what is YOUR definition of that, Dogfighter??

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Very interesting.
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I have put something similar together, but couldn't figure out how to post. Looks like you just did a screen shot. Smarter than the average bear! I'll see if I can get mine posted, same source different stats.
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Yeah parrot, i was trying different excell formats and bbCode for two hours last night and finally gave up. So close but its tricky.

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I made my a PDF then converted it to a jpeg. I think it'll work but have to get to my laptop
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You might try e-mailing yourself the link. Copy & paste. May work.
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Here's the stats I put together. If they post, I will explain columns and my observations. These are the ones for my current rank AVM2 and the top 100. All comparisons are done within each rank.










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Whosethisguy wrote: Sorry this is not in a more convenient form; formating tables into the forum has proven tricky.

These stats are as of Feb 20 2013, 19:00 PST. They were imported from the forum rankings, and the player's military rank has been removed for spacing. The forum numbers were used to calculate some new categories in Excell.

New ratios for you to look at include:
Kills per Death, aka KDR or Kill Death Ratio
Kills per Hanger Bombed
Deaths per Hanger Bombed
Crashes per Kill
Kills per Game Victory
Deaths per Game Victory

Its unfortunate we dont have data on total number of games played, but even without that data we can learn a lot about player strategy;

Who jetisons their bomb on takeoff, or is focused on bombing?

Who values the aircraft and their life the most, or is a sacrificer?

Who kamikazi bombs their hanger or goes back for a reload?

Who is just kicking buns, and what is YOUR definition of that, Dogfighter??

Enjoy!








Well done shoe, you should post more on the forum


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Wow PH, we are nnnnnnnerds!!!

I think you have some more advance math going, looking forward to hearing more about these stats :)
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Yeah I have some nerdish tendencies, but trust me, I do this for a living. :lol: My job requires me to do statistical analyses of all kinds of numbers.

So here's what the columns show:

k/d is your kills to death ratio. If the number is 1.0, you died once for every time you were killed. Higher than 1, you've killed more times than being killed. Less than one, go practice some more :huh:

k/d+C - This is the same thing, but includes death by crash. I have concluded that crashes are NOT counted in your deaths total. Find a noob and look at his stats. Yu will find some with more crashes than deaths. That's how I came to the conclusion. So, I like this stat because it includes your total deaths (killed & crashed) and shows how many kills you have compared to your deaths

win/k - I'm going to make to some folks made with this one. So be it. It's just numbers and my opinion. I took the number of wins and divided by kills and converted it to a percentage. So, here's what I think it shows. It's a teamplayer stat or at least a mission minded stat. The higher this percentage is an indication that your concentration in the game is to win the mission. However, I thinks its more complicated than that. I think an extremely high (much higher than the average) is an indication of somebody that is a "Win hunter". There is one player here that has a number even outside the range of a simple anomoly and from personal observation, I know that player quits nearly every game I have seen him in. That is unless he's on a stacked team. If there is any skilled opposition on the other team, he quits. That my definition of a win-hunter. My opinion is players in a range between 7% to 20% are mission players. Less than that are pilots more concerned with kills than wins. Don't like "my opinion", I can live with that.

k-avg and k vs avg% & H-avg and H vs Avg%- these all compare kills and hangars bombed to the average for a that rank. If the number is negative, it is that many below average and positive is that many above the average. The percentage is the same thing just represented by a percentage. below 100% is below average and above 100% is above average.

So all that is a lot, just to say, yep I have nerdish tendencies. I'd be glad to post the same stats for anyone that would like to see theirs compared to the top 25 in their rank. Just give me you in-game name.

If you don't like this or don't agree, feel free to say so. It's just numbers and I do it for fun. This was not intended to point anyone's faults shortcomings (or heroics).

PH
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Good stuff Parrot, interesting about win hunters. These are the sorts of things that make studying the numbers of life delightfully rewarding.

Parrothead and I agree that singling anyone out in a negative way with these charts is not the goal.

Personally, my goal is to learn what I can from other players habits and tactics; to be the best Dogfighter I can by finding my own style and knowing my opponent.

PH, clearly you have more expertise and thought into this than I. Thanks again!
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Not too much... I put the spreadsheet together in about 10 minutes. Then it took me 2 hours to figure how to post it!
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I "feel" I'm a mission player.
What do you say "Amazing Nerdo"?
And, while you are at it, will I ever find true love?

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Why not focus on all of the other ways to get points beside kill ratio? Like number of deads which is from zep games. Or bombing of carrier and hangers? I think some additional columns are needed. A great pilot in the game is way more than kill ratio

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The great thing about this game is that its way more complex then killing a bunch of planes alone.

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Swop, I just used what's available in the rankings. I do not have access to all. As I said above, please do not take any of this personally. I'm actually not putting any emphasis on kills alone.

Paul, leave it to you to blow my theories from the stats. The one area for which I made assumptions on regarding team players and win hunters would put you in the win hunter category. I know this to be untrue. I've played with you several times. So, as I also stated above, I use my personal observation. Using that along with your hangars bombed stats, I say yes! Team Player/mission player and looking at your k/d ratio I'd have to say you are a lover not a fighter. So, yes to the second question as well.

Hope you(and everyone else) find it interesting and do not take offense,
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Edit: replaced chart with corrections
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I agree swop, there should be data tracking on

Zep engine kills
Zep hits
Carrier hits by bomb
Carrier hits by tank
Carrier captures
Chute kills from chute and of parachuters
Tank vs tank kills
Ground to air kills by tank or rifle
Teamkills
Dogfight victories
Win ratios for all scenarios
I could go on and on.....

But i guess we'll have to wait til DF2 ;)
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These are awesome you guys. I love stuff like this.
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Hold on Paul. Just found an error. I'll post the new one in a sec
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Or let us say there are two ways to be a win hunter:

1. Leave the lobby before you lose, or;

2. Be a team player and help your wingmen while striving to actually accomplish the mission objectives!

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Well you DO have a column available thats the number of deads column. This column has the number of times zep has been hit, etc. i just believe that to really look at how one is in a game focus on it ALL or dont do stats on any of it. Unless all you care about are how many planes you kill. That is important but the game is SO much bigger and better than that. Also i have no problem with winning games is important. I stay to the end to win. I hit the zep and one of the best at it

I think the column of number of deads which is included in the points you forgot.

Btw im not taking it personal just pointing out how your not focusing on all the data and are kind of picking and choosing what you think is important which is a disservice to the game

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Parrot and whosethisguy, Good job. I may not agree completely with your stat's, but your working with what you have... Thank's for the effort. ;)
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doughens wrote: Well you DO have a column available thats the number of deads column. This column has the number of times zep has been hit, etc. i just believe that to really look at how one is in a game focus on it ALL or dont do stats on any of it. Unless all you care about are how many planes you kill. That is important but the game is SO much bigger and better than that. Also i have no problem with winning games is important. I stay to the end to win. I hit the zep and one of the best at it

I think the column of number of deads which is included in the points you forgot.

Btw im not taking it personal just pointing out how your not focusing on all the data and are kind of picking and choosing what you think is important which is a disservice to the game


Hey Swop, one of us is confused...(psst, I think its you). What does #of deads have to do with the Zep? My understanding is that this is a count of how mmany times you are killed, either in a plane, tank or chute. What is your understanding. Explain it to me like I'm a three year old, cause I don't get it. Seriously, I'm not picking on you, I just don't understand what you are saying.
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Well number of deads is number of times you hit zep. I have checked my ranks between games to account for this when rankings were real time. Number of crashes include times shot down and crashed. The columns account for everything involved in the point total.

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I would check my score number of deads before a zep game and after and it went up shot for shot

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Swop I dont think the ranking list keeps track of how many times we hit the zep or destroyed it. So it is impossible for them to include the stats on us hitting and killing the zep.
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So when i put 450 rounds into the zep, my number of deads would go up 450?

I think not.

Boy, you ARE confused swop. So confused youre confusing me.

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I think the term number of deads is ambiguous because it doesn't define to what or to whom the dead is referring to. Well i have observed the change from before a zep game till after a zep game. Oh well until zuperman answers i guess we will all stick to our individual observations

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Great job you two stat-heads...I appreciate the cunning math and the additional information you guys have obtained from such limited numbers. PH, I like how you were able to identify the "Win Hunters" :lol: However, as I'm not so diplomatic, I don't mind singling these Charlie Sheens out..One in particular, B.O.L.A.S, chickens out and leaves the game every time he sees me in red. Although this gives me immense joy, it's also rather dissapointing. So if your reading this BOLAS, don't be afraid of the Noush, I'll only shoot you down all game long ;)

been Noushed lately?
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Could it be you are interpreting "deads" as "deeds?"

I think its a gramatical error where the forum rankings column should read "deaths" not "deads."

Confusing? Yes.

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